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Lying on mortgage application!

  • 16-09-2012 10:17pm
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4


    Hi everyone, hoping I could get some help or insight, we are in a bit of an awkward situation, we are due to get married in February, however we need to buy home in my boyfriends name only due to my poor credit history, he will not be in a position to buy untill April, my question is how do the bank know he is married as I am sure this will affect his borrowing capabilities so would prefer to pretend he's single!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,138 ✭✭✭foxy06


    Bingbong31 wrote: »
    Hi everyone, hoping I could get some help or insight, we are in a bit of an awkward situation, we are due to get married in February, however we need to buy home in my boyfriends name only due to my poor credit history, he will not be in a position to buy untill April, my question is how do the bank know he is married as I am sure this will affect his borrowing capabilities so would prefer to pretend he's single!

    U really should put the wedding off until April. Doesn't matter HOW he gets caught but if he does its fraud and not worth the hassle. If he wants to buy in April get married when he has closed the sale and keys are in hand


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,229 ✭✭✭Dan133269


    Bingbong31 wrote: »
    however we need to buy home

    Why do you need to buy a home? This kind of attitude severely contributed to the crash.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,418 ✭✭✭JimiTime


    Dan133269 wrote: »
    Why do you need to buy a home? This kind of attitude severely contributed to the crash.

    While I know what you are getting at, that is MUCH too simplistic a view. It is also a much too common misconception. Most people do not qualify for a council\corporation tenancy, which means one has to go into the private sector to rent. In Ireland, we don't really have any security in the private rental sector. In turn, if someone is planning on marrying, starting a family etc, they need to consider schools, facilities in the area etc. In private rented accommodation, you can be turfed out with a months notice. I have a friend that has a special needs child who has had to move house 3 times in two years due to owners selling up, or moving in themselves etc. So, in order to feel secure in ones home, buying is the only game in town unfortunately. So rather than it being the attitude of the buyer, its the system thats the issue. Some people just want a home they can feel secure in. I think its very unfortunate that people are still trotting out the blame on people who just wanted a home. Speculators are a different story, but someone wanting a secure home, well unfortunately they are entering a system of virtually no choices. If you think this system needs to change, and I certainly do, you should lobby your local TD.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,633 ✭✭✭✭Marcusm


    JimiTime wrote: »
    While I know what you are getting at, that is MUCH too simplistic a view. It is also a much too common misconception. Most people do not qualify for a council\corporation tenancy, which means one has to go into the private sector to rent. In Ireland, we don't really have any security in the private rental sector. In turn, if someone is planning on marrying, starting a family etc, they need to consider schools, facilities in the area etc. In private rented accommodation, you can be turfed out with a months notice. I have a friend that has a special needs child who has had to move house 3 times in two years due to owners selling up, or moving in themselves etc. So, in order to feel secure in ones home, buying is the only game in town unfortunately. So rather than it being the attitude of the buyer, its the system thats the issue. Some people just want a home they can feel secure in. I think its very unfortunate that people are still trotting out the blame on people who just wanted a home. Speculators are a different story, but someone wanting a secure home, well unfortunately they are entering a system of virtually no choices. If you think this system needs to change, and I certainly do, you should lobby your local TD.

    Just thought I'd highlight this part to show common misconceptions; in Ireland once you've been renting for 6 months you obtain the right to stay for a further 3 1/2 years. That's significantly stronger tenant's rights than in. The UK, for example.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,306 ✭✭✭Zamboni


    Marcusm wrote: »
    Just thought I'd highlight this part to show common misconceptions; in Ireland once you've been renting for 6 months you obtain the right to stay for a further 3 1/2 years. That's significantly stronger tenant's rights than in. The UK, for example.

    And a slightly more flippant but realistic view, once you rent a property you can pretty much stay there for as long as you like as it can take years for a landlord to evict you legally.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,119 ✭✭✭✭Seve OB


    Bingbong31 wrote: »
    Hi everyone, hoping I could get some help or insight, we are in a bit of an awkward situation, we are due to get married in February, ...........so would prefer to pretend he's single!


    Sorry, I just had to :)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,096 ✭✭✭✭the groutch


    Bingbong31 wrote: »
    Hi everyone, hoping I could get some help or insight, we are in a bit of an awkward situation, we are due to get married in February, however we need to buy home in my boyfriends name only due to my poor credit history, he will not be in a position to buy untill April, my question is how do the bank know he is married as I am sure this will affect his borrowing capabilities so would prefer to pretend he's single!

    bad bad idea
    not sure exactly what the bank would do, but assuming he plans to claim mortgage interest relief, if he got caught the revenue would throw the book at him for tax fraud.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,799 ✭✭✭StillWaters



    bad bad idea
    not sure exactly what the bank would do, but assuming he plans to claim mortgage interest relief, if he got caught the revenue would throw the book at him for tax fraud.
    How would he be defrauding the revenue?
    Once married the only difference tax wise is you can choose, or not, to transfer some of your tax credits. Nothing to do with mortgage TRS.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,096 ✭✭✭✭the groutch


    if he's lying to get a bigger mortgage than he would be if jointly assessed, then he's claiming more TRS than he should be too.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,395 ✭✭✭phormium


    The issue is not really with the bank knowing or not, it will come to light in the legal work with the solicitor to complete the transaction. Unless he is intending to lie to solicitor as well and sign the declarations fraudulently.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,676 ✭✭✭strandroad


    So do two months (between the wedding and the purchase) of not owning house make such a difference as to validate submitting incorrect information, i.e. fraud?

    Take a step back and a deep breath and assess the situation. You can delay the wedding for two months or you can wait them out after the wedding. Surely you live somewhere today, and if you can't continue living there find a short term rental. You seem a bit obsessive about getting a house immediately; if your credit history is marked, you need to take the consequences, not to risk more by engaging in something fraudulent. It's only a couple of weeks.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,395 ✭✭✭phormium


    It isn't the two months that matter as such, it's the fact that once he is married he cannot really apply in his own name only for a family home, the two months are coming into it I presume due to something like him not being in the job long enough or something to apply for a mortgage before April. Were he able to apply right now there would not be an issue but if he has to wait to April to apply then it will be as a couple and the bad credit history of partner will affect the application. So it's a bit of a catch 22, can't apply in own name before married and credit history affecting joint application after marriage.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,418 ✭✭✭JimiTime


    Marcusm wrote: »
    Just thought I'd highlight this part to show common misconceptions; in Ireland once you've been renting for 6 months you obtain the right to stay for a further 3 1/2 years. That's significantly stronger tenant's rights than in. The UK, for example.

    Unfortunately, this is not the case if the landlord is selling, moving in, has a family member moving in or is refurbishing. In fact, its pretty worthless when you look at the exceptions.

    Zamboni wrote: »
    And a slightly more flippant but realistic view, once you rent a property you can pretty much stay there for as long as you like as it can take years for a landlord to evict you legally.

    Again though, this isn't exactly secure now is it? Certainly not what someone looking to start a family is going to look to consider.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 672 ✭✭✭Ms Tootsie


    Bit of a glaring question here - why can he not buy a home until April? What could be happening in the next 6 months that would change his ability to buy a house?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,395 ✭✭✭phormium


    I would imagine waiting until a probationary time is over at work or has recently started job etc etc, banks have minimum requirements for the length of time you must be in your present job, that's my guess anyway!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 672 ✭✭✭Ms Tootsie


    phormium wrote: »
    I would imagine waiting until a probationary time is over at work or has recently started job etc etc, banks have minimum requirements for the length of time you must be in your present job, that's my guess anyway!

    I dont know, when we got our mortgage just under a year ago I had just started a new job, the bank wanted to see the contract and they were happy enough with it even though I was techically on probabtion for another 4 months. Mind you I had a job for 4 years before that so maybe they judged that I wasnt exactly a flighty character :rolleyes:

    Either way I would never reccomend lying on a mortgage form, they do so many checks and I am pretty sure they can check if you have been married before / are currently married. We went with AIB and the amount of forms we had to complete, I am pretty sure they didnt just take our word for it that all the information was correct. At the end of the day it will count as fraud no matter what the original motives behind your actions OP.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,395 ✭✭✭phormium


    This was unusual, even back in the good! old days a probationery period usually had to be over or at least over before draw down of mortgage. Lying is not an option, it will come up at the legals stage.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 672 ✭✭✭Ms Tootsie


    phormium wrote: »
    This was unusual, even back in the good! old days a probationery period usually had to be over or at least over before draw down of mortgage.

    We both had good credit history and wouldnt have cleared out our savings on the deposit which I am guessing also swayed things in our favour.

    Wish I could say the same now when it comes to paying for our wedding... :eek:

    Totally agree though, it will come up in the legal stage. Not worth the risk. Once you are caught out as well that will be you blacklisted in terms of mortgages, loans, anything like that.

    Why not rent for a few years OP and work on improving your credit history - it will dramatically improve if you show that as a couple you can pay rent and still save a portion of your salary each month.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,676 ✭✭✭strandroad


    phormium wrote: »
    It isn't the two months that matter as such, it's the fact that once he is married he cannot really apply in his own name only for a family home, the two months are coming into it I presume due to something like him not being in the job long enough or something to apply for a mortgage before April. Were he able to apply right now there would not be an issue but if he has to wait to April to apply then it will be as a couple and the bad credit history of partner will affect the application. So it's a bit of a catch 22, can't apply in own name before married and credit history affecting joint application after marriage.

    Well delay the wedding for a couple of months then... It's not the end of the world, you can't have everything in life exactly when and how you want it, especially if you've fouled your credit yourself.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,087 ✭✭✭Duiske


    Bingbong31 wrote: »
    we need to buy home
    Dan133269 wrote: »
    Why do you need to buy a home? This kind of attitude severely contributed to the crash.

    Here's what she actually said in the op.
    we need to buy home in my boyfriends name only due to my poor credit history

    When you read the entire sentence, it reads entirely differently to the selective and out of context way you quoted it.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,229 ✭✭✭Dan133269


    Duiske wrote: »
    Here's what she actually said in the op.



    When you read the entire sentence, it reads entirely differently to the selective and out of context way you quoted it.

    Doesn't read any differently to me.

    If she would have said, "we would need to apply on boyfriend's name alone if we were to buy", then that would be different. She didn't say that however. She said - "we need to buy home in my boyfriends name only due to my poor credit history". This reads the same as the bit I quoted, the only difference is that the method of buying the house is left out of the quote. How would you interpret it?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,237 ✭✭✭✭djimi


    If youre rushing the buying of a house or having to lie on the application then you are not in a position to buy; that is the absolute bottom line. Why on earth would put yourself in that position; why not just rent for a year, or until you are in a position to buy together?

    The attitude that people need to buy a house now or at any time is pure lunacy; its the biggest financial decision you will ever make and there is absolutely no need to rush it. There is no shortage of rental properties out there so you wont exactly find yourself living on the streets.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4 Bingbong31


    Hi, thanks for the constructive feedback from some people, I don't know why some people feel the need to have so many digs at our situation. The last thing we want to do is lie on the application but our options were limited. The reason for the April date was probationary period and all we were trying to do was buy a family home,


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,237 ✭✭✭✭djimi


    Why the rush though? There is no immediate need to buy a house this very moment, especially if it involves lying on the application form to do so, so why even view it as an option right now? Rent for a while and re-evaluate your options this time next year, or in two years, or whenever youre in a better financial position. Its a huge commitment to make; dont enter into it unless you are completely certain that everything is 100%.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,310 ✭✭✭Pkiernan


    bad bad idea
    not sure exactly what the bank would do, but assuming he plans to claim mortgage interest relief, if he got caught the revenue would throw the book at him for tax fraud.

    OMFG. So much wrong this this post :eek:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,395 ✭✭✭phormium


    It's actually the reverse, he would be saving Revenue money, would be claiming as a single person even though actually married and could have availed of higher TRS.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,306 ✭✭✭Zamboni


    Bingbong31 wrote: »
    Hi, thanks for the constructive feedback from some people, I don't know why some people feel the need to have so many digs at our situation. The last thing we want to do is lie on the application but our options were limited. The reason for the April date was probationary period and all we were trying to do was buy a family home,

    Ok honestly what I would do in your situation, is get a copy of your credit report and wait five years from the last 'bad' record.
    During that five years I would rent in the area that you wish to live in and build up a greater deposit to reduce financing requirements.
    Then when your record is clean apply for a mortgage with an institution that you do not have any previous history and buy a house with your husband and live happily ever after.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,799 ✭✭✭StillWaters


    Pkiernan wrote: »
    bad bad idea
    not sure exactly what the bank would do, but assuming he plans to claim mortgage interest relief, if he got caught the revenue would throw the book at him for tax fraud.

    OMFG. So much wrong this this post :eek:
    I know, but academic in any case as TRS will be abolished when OP buys.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,216 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    Zamboni wrote: »
    Ok honestly what I would do in your situation, is get a copy of your credit report and wait five years from the last 'bad' record.
    During that five years I would rent in the area that you wish to live in and build up a greater deposit to reduce financing requirements.
    Then when your record is clean apply for a mortgage with an institution that you do not have any previous history and buy a house with your husband and live happily ever after.

    This all day long


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,119 ✭✭✭✭Seve OB


    Read all the posts here and you all seem to be quite condescending as to why they "have to buy" and you would be better off waiting to save deposits and tax fraud and lying on mortgage application crap.

    The fact of the matter is, they want to buy a house, and they have not indicated they want to lie or decieve anyone. They might not want to rent, or wait years more to buy. Maybe it is a family home that they would like to buy instead of letting it go to someone else? We don't know the circumstances, so why do people speculate so much!!!

    They have indicated they would want to buy it in the fellas name due to girl having bad credit history. Then presumably the lad will be on a decent enough wage to be given mortgage approval in his own name. they might already have a nice wedge saved for a deposit.

    It strikes me, that if thy weren't getting married, they wouldn't have an issue because, the lad could just buy the house and fill everything in legal and above board.

    The problem is if they are married, then the girl becomes involved and the question of bad credit rateing arrises, and thay are aware of that and they want to fnd a solution to their predicament without breaking any laws.

    Solution is to delay the wedding until after the house purchase. As it is only September now, there should not be to much difficulty in delaying the wedding for a couple of months.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,455 ✭✭✭✭Monty Burnz


    stevieob wrote: »
    The problem is if they are married, then the girl becomes involved and the question of bad credit rateing arrises, and thay are aware of that and they want to fnd a solution to their predicament without breaking any laws.
    It's a bit more complex than that as, from the lender's perspective, they aren't really then lending to a guy with a good credit record, they are lending to a couple where half of the couple has a history of not repaying debt. I think anybody who is in a long-term relationship knows that money is one of the things that has to be compromised over, and it could see this guy going off the straight and narrow as he is influenced by someone who has previously blown money without repaying it*.

    *I'm not saying this with regard to the specific example of the OP, just looking at it from the perspective of a lender who does not know who they are dealing with and must assume the worst.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,216 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    stevieob wrote: »
    Read all the posts here and you all seem to be quite condescending as to why they "have to buy" and you would be better off waiting to save deposits and tax fraud and lying on mortgage application crap.

    The fact of the matter is, they want to buy a house, and they have not indicated they want to lie or decieve anyone. They might not want to rent, or wait years more to buy. Maybe it is a family home that they would like to buy instead of letting it go to someone else? We don't know the circumstances, so why do people speculate so much!!!

    They have indicated they would want to buy it in the fellas name due to girl having bad credit history. Then presumably the lad will be on a decent enough wage to be given mortgage approval in his own name. they might already have a nice wedge saved for a deposit.

    It strikes me, that if thy weren't getting married, they wouldn't have an issue because, the lad could just buy the house and fill everything in legal and above board.

    The problem is if they are married, then the girl becomes involved and the question of bad credit rateing arrises, and thay are aware of that and they want to fnd a solution to their predicament without breaking any laws.

    Solution is to delay the wedding until after the house purchase. As it is only September now, there should not be to much difficulty in delaying the wedding for a couple of months.

    You clearly have not read the posts that offer up actual solutions and reasons why. You chose to call intelligent posters condescending.

    It has to be a hammered home to some people unfortunately. But no ones NEEDS to BUY a home, added to the fact that you are asking a third entity for a loan of extensive funds. They have every right to analyse the risk associated with giving out money.

    Explain in detail why it is a bad idea to rent until their combined situation improves enough to validate a house purchase as apposed to 'We NEED a house because we are married now' attitude


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,119 ✭✭✭✭Seve OB


    It's a bit more complex than that as, from the lender's perspective, they aren't really then lending to a guy with a good credit record, they are lending to a couple where half of the couple has a history of not repaying debt. I think anybody who is in a long-term relationship knows that money is one of the things that has to be compromised over, and it could see this guy going off the straight and narrow as he is influenced by someone who has previously blown money without repaying it*.

    *I'm not saying this with regard to the specific example of the OP, just looking at it from the perspective of a lender who does not know who they are dealing with and must assume the worst.

    I agree, of course it is more complex. We don't know the half of it and that was my point when I asked why people speculate so much. Of course the lender must assume the worst when they are giving a loan out, so that is why it is very difficult to get a loan these days. The OP has not indicated if they have or do not have the means to repay the loan, how much they want, how much they earn, all points which would be scrutinised very heavily by any lender.

    Just because someone has found themselves in financial difficulty in the past, does not in any way mean that they blew money without repaying it. Neither does it mean that they are going to influence someone off the striaght an narrow!

    If the guy applies to buy the place on his own as a single individual, he would be entitled to do so. He would not be lying on any application and if he did not have the relevant deposit or means to repay the loan then he will get refused. The OP has not indicated that there will be any issue in obtaining the mortgage so we don't know any more than that!
    listermint wrote: »
    You clearly have not read the posts that offer up actual solutions and reasons why. You chose to call intelligent posters condescending.

    I read them all and was not indicating that everyone was condescending. My apologies if that was what you took out of my point. I did see some sensible arguements, but I focused on what I thought were unfair posts.
    listermint wrote: »
    It has to be a hammered home to some people unfortunately. But no ones NEEDS to BUY a home, added to the fact that you are asking a third entity for a loan of extensive funds. They have every right to analyse the risk associated with giving out money.

    Why do you feel the need to hammer home to someone that they don't need to buy a home, especially when you know nothing about this person?
    Nobody needs to buy a home, but eveybody does need somewhere to live. We do not know the financial position of the OP, and it might well be that they would be financially better to purchase than rent. I don't know as much as you don't.

    For all I know, the lad has 100k to put down as a deposit and might be looking to finance 100k over 20 years which could cost about 600 pm and rent could be 1,000

    Are you against anyone and everybody purchasing houses?
    listermint wrote: »
    Explain in detail why it is a bad idea to rent until their combined situation improves enough to validate a house purchase as apposed to 'We NEED a house because we are married now' attitude

    I never said it was a bad idea to rent as you describe but how do we know that their combined situation needs improvement? they could be both earning 100k per year or even more for all we know and sitting on a 100k cash in bank. The issue is poor credit history, not ability to pay going forward.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,216 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    stevieob wrote: »
    I agree, of course it is more complex. We don't know the half of it and that was my point when I asked why people speculate so much. Of course the lender must assume the worst when they are giving a loan out, so that is why it is very difficult to get a loan these days. The OP has not indicated if they have or do not have the means to repay the loan, how much they want, how much they earn, all points which would be scrutinised very heavily by any lender.

    Just because someone has found themselves in financial difficulty in the past, does not in any way mean that they blew money without repaying it. Neither does it mean that they are going to influence someone off the striaght an narrow!

    If the guy applies to buy the place on his own as a single individual, he would be entitled to do so. He would not be lying on any application and if he did not have the relevant deposit or means to repay the loan then he will get refused. The OP has not indicated that there will be any issue in obtaining the mortgage so we don't know any more than that!



    I read them all and was not indicating that everyone was condescending. My apologies if that was what you took out of my point. I did see some sensible arguements, but I focused on what I thought were unfair posts.



    Why do you feel the need to hammer home to someone that they don't need to buy a home, especially when you know nothing about this person?
    Nobody needs to buy a home, but eveybody does need somewhere to live. We do not know the financial position of the OP, and it might well be that they would be financially better to purchase than rent. I don't know as much as you don't.

    For all I know, the lad has 100k to put down as a deposit and might be looking to finance 100k over 20 years which could cost about 600 pm and rent could be 1,000

    Are you against anyone and everybody purchasing houses?



    I never said it was a bad idea to rent as you describe but how do we know that their combined situation needs improvement? they could be both earning 100k per year or even more for all we know and sitting on a 100k cash in bank. The issue is poor credit history, not ability to pay going forward.

    Id have my distinct doubts the lad has 100K to put down,

    Im not against everybody purchasing houses.

    Id be fairly confident your last statement on earnings doesnt reflect the situation, (put it down to hunch).

    The post smacks of the very regular reflection in this country that people feel pressured into owning a home because its the done thing. They are married they have to own a home its the done thing. Their parents think its the done thing. Their friends told them the market was rock bottom owning is the done thing.

    Id prefer folks made a more educated decision rather that what appears to be here a very rushed decision to sign up to a mortgage before tying the knot.

    Signing into a mortgage is not to be rushed.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,119 ✭✭✭✭Seve OB


    listermint wrote: »
    Id have my distinct doubts the lad has 100K to put down,

    So would I, I was just emphasing a point.
    listermint wrote: »
    The post smacks of the very regular reflection in this country that people feel pressured into owning a home because its the done thing. They are married they have to own a home its the done thing. Their parents think its the done thing. Their friends told them the market was rock bottom owning is the done thing.

    Id prefer folks made a more educated decision rather that what appears to be here a very rushed decision to sign up to a mortgage before tying the knot.

    Signing into a mortgage is not to be rushed.

    Fair points made here. Again though, for all we know, this couple both could be in their 40's and have previously owned numerous other properties between them, so who is to say that they are rushing any un-informed decision.

    Again, the OP seems to be looking to find a loophole to facilitate them. This is no different that finding a loophole to avoid paying tax. A loophole is not illigal but infact they don't even need a loophole. All they hav eto do is delay their weedding.. Of course the OP needs to be aware of the consequences if they are not able to meet the terms of the mortgage agreement, but that is a seperate issue.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4 Bingbong31


    Didn't mean to spark such a debate... But thanks again for the "constructive advise" our situation is he earns 70k per annum, I earn 55k. He's just about permanent and I am, bad credit relates to we went travelling nearly two years ago and I due to my own stupidity forgot a few loan payments. We have 65k saved over 5 years (not sure why someone doubted we had deposit)so yes missing loan was stupid. Paying 1100 rent, only need to borrow 150k, which will reduce our outgoings. As we're getting married I would like a home so our family can grow up in one house.........hardly a crime!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,455 ✭✭✭✭Monty Burnz


    Bingbong31 wrote: »
    Didn't mean to spark such a debate... But thanks again for the "constructive advise" our situation is he earns 70k per annum, I earn 55k. He's just about permanent and I am, bad credit relates to we went travelling nearly two years ago and I due to my own stupidity forgot a few loan payments. We have 65k saved over 5 years (not sure why someone doubted we had deposit)so yes missing loan was stupid. Paying 1100 rent, only need to borrow 150k, which will reduce our outgoings. As we're getting married I would like a home so our family can grow up in one house.........hardly a crime!
    ...which will reduce your outgoings as long as interest rates stay at unsustainable historical lows, below the banks' cost of borrowing...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,205 ✭✭✭✭hmmm


    Someone with a poor credit history wants advice on how to lie on a mortgage application because they "need" to buy a house.

    2006 is calling, and they'll probably be back here in a few years asking for advice on "debt forgiveness" because the bank didn't stop them.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4 Bingbong31


    Hmmm I wont justify your comment by getting annoyed but it must be so much fun sitting at home acting all high and mighty on your couch behind a keyboard, I'm glad at least some people give good decent advise on this which I will take on board


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,455 ✭✭✭✭Monty Burnz


    Bingbong31 wrote: »
    Hmmm I wont justify your comment by getting annoyed but it must be so much fun sitting at home acting all high and mighty on your couch behind a keyboard, I'm glad at least some people give good decent advise on this which I will take on board
    Remember that sometimes the advice you don't want to hear is the good advice.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,344 ✭✭✭Thoie


    Bingbong31 wrote: »
    due to my own stupidity forgot a few loan payments. We have 65k saved over 5 years (not sure why someone doubted we had deposit)so yes missing loan was stupid. Paying 1100 rent, only need to borrow 150k, which will reduce our outgoings.

    Have you cleared that original loan now? I have no idea if it's possible, but can you get in touch with the original lender and ask if it's possible to have your credit rating adjusted, as it's now cleared and sorted out?

    Have you actually seen your credit rating, or are you just assuming it's bad? For €6 you can get a copy here.

    Have you spoken to a mortgage advisor (try one not connected to a bank) to ask if your credit history would outweigh your savings record?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,443 ✭✭✭killers1


    Bingbong31 wrote: »
    Didn't mean to spark such a debate... But thanks again for the "constructive advise" our situation is he earns 70k per annum, I earn 55k. He's just about permanent and I am, bad credit relates to we went travelling nearly two years ago and I due to my own stupidity forgot a few loan payments. We have 65k saved over 5 years (not sure why someone doubted we had deposit)so yes missing loan was stupid. Paying 1100 rent, only need to borrow 150k, which will reduce our outgoings. As we're getting married I would like a home so our family can grow up in one house.........hardly a crime!

    You have strong incomes, a proven repayment capacity for the amount you are looking to borrow and an excellent savings record. The missed loan repayments were at a time when you were travelling and would appear to be out of character for how you manage your finances. I think if your honest and upfront in relation to the missed payments and have a reasonable reason why you had a blip you've a good chance of securing approval now. Banks will listen to applicants reasons for poor credit history and make a judgement taking into account all other factors relating to your application.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,438 ✭✭✭TwoShedsJackson


    OP, will you be paying half the mortgage even though the house will be in your fiancee's name? If you were to break up at some point in the future the house will be his and you would have no claim to it (as far as I know).

    One would hope that would not happen but you should consider that from a legal standpoint.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,119 ✭✭✭✭Seve OB


    Blingbong. I think I was closer to the mark than most here but I also think I made a mistake. You might get approval in both names and there may well be no need to delay the wedding. I agree with Thoie, and your position may not be as bad as you fear, especially if you cleared your loan in time, despite missing a couple of payments.

    Speak to an advisor, ( I could put you in touch with someone quite good if you like, you can PM me), and they will give you good advise on what you need to do. Realistically, you are not looking for a lot in relation to your savings and and your incomes, so you might have a chance.

    Best of luck and keep us posted how you get on.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 500 ✭✭✭slickmcvic


    Quick question,
    If your married I'm guessing making a single mortgage loan application is ruled out?
    Eg. Married couple, wife with previous mortgage with another party, husband no prior mortgage. Both in good permanent jobs & good credit history,deposit saved. Monthly repayments cheaper than renting:
    Is it possible for husband to get mortgage approval on his own,
    Possible with joint application only
    No hope of either


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 350 ✭✭Baralis1


    Zamboni wrote: »
    Ok honestly what I would do in your situation, is get a copy of your credit report and wait five years from the last 'bad' record.
    During that five years I would rent in the area that you wish to live in and build up a greater deposit to reduce financing requirements.
    Then when your record is clean apply for a mortgage with an institution that you do not have any previous history and buy a house with your husband and live happily ever after.

    How does one get a copy of their credit history report?

    I agree with posters here, the OP really shouldn't rush into anything. I know she wants a family home but with house prices still falling and the economy uncertain, I really would want to be 100% certain that I can meet the repayment on time every month no matter what goes wrong, including one spouse losing their job/source of income. Lying on the form over a previous bad credit history doesn't sound like a good start. Sorry, OP not having a go at you, just calling it as I see it.


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