Is creatine bad for you?

vader65

Is creatine bad for you?

Zamboni

vader65 wrote: »

Is creatine bad for you?

Incomplete question is incomplete.

vader65

will taking creatine while weight training have any bad side effects? or health issues?

leonidas83

A mate of mine would have gone for two scuttery ****es in the morning before 8am when he was on it, doesnt sound too good

Chazz Michael Michaels

This link will help.

Hanley

In anything other than idiotic quantities, without a pre-existing medical condition, the answer is no.

The Guvnor

No!

As for idiotic quantities known two lads who took 50g a day for ages,

One because he used a shot glass as the scoop and the other just because he had so much of it lying around, he thought why not.

Needless to say both were immensely hench!

Gummy Panda

NinjaK

I took it for a couple of months over the summer and didnt notice any difference. I did get some pain in my kidneys which I think was the cause. Havent had any of that pain since.
Lots of people take it, I guess the best thing to do is try it and see if it works for you, its not going to kill you.

rolexeagle1

take it drink lots of water, lift heavy stuff, get large!

Brian?

Tastes terrible and hurts my stomach. But most things hurt my stomach.

Safe as houses otherwise.

Banks

Recommendation from the Irish Institute of Sport:

http://www.instituteofsport.ie/Institute_Of_Sport/Athlete_Zone/Sports_Nutrition_Supplements/Creatine_Factsheet.pdf

parismilton

Creatine is a naturally produced by amino-acid inside our body. It is present mostly in skeletal muscles which needs high source of energy. Research shows that creatine is most effective in high-intensity training. It enhances your physical power like you will be able to lift some more 5 pounds after consuming it. So people who go to gym or need some extra source of energy can consume it in appropriate amount otherwise its consumption will not have any positive effects.

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swimming in a sea

The question of most interest to me would be, is Creatine going to build extra mussel on say the casual lifter or do you have to max out your gym sessions to get the benefit.

I never buy any supplements myself and yet the effort I put in is often greater than guys who spend more time in the gym sucking on their whey and Creatine milkshakes. If they are not maxing their gym session, surely its a waste or is it?

Hanley

swimming in a sea wrote: »

The question of most interest to me would be, is Creatine going to build extra mussel on say the casual lifter or do you have to max out your gym sessions to get the benefit.

I never buy any supplements myself and yet the effort I put in is often greater than guys who spend more time in the gym sucking on their whey and Creatine milkshakes. If they are not maxing their gym session, surely its a waste or is it?

Maxing?

Zamboni

swimming in a sea wrote: »

The question of most interest to me would be, is Creatine going to build extra mussel on say the casual lifter or do you have to max out your gym sessions to get the benefit.

I never buy any supplements myself and yet the effort I put in is often greater than guys who spend more time in the gym sucking on their whey and Creatine milkshakes. If they are not maxing their gym session, surely its a waste or is it?

It would be impossible to even speculate, let alone draw conclusions on the benefit of creatine or whey based on your perception on somebody's workout. You don't know what is in the shake and you don't know what their body compositon/sport specific goal.

Dermighty

Caused me to need to piss violently without much warning. Great supplement, but it's not for me!

Hanley

Dermighty wrote: »

Caused me to need to piss violently without much warning. Great supplement, but it's not for me!

Really?

vard

vader65 wrote: »

Is creatine bad for you?

Its a natural product. Some people do get kidney pain and stomach cramps, but these are usually attributable to insufficient hydration. You need to make sure you up your water intake when using it.

As for its effectiveness, again it varies from person to person. I personally found little difference in strength, but did notice the effects of additional water weight, ie bigger, but purely due to water weight. People usually find while on a creatine cycle that they will lose some muscle definition.

It's recommended that you take creatine in 3 to 4 week cycles, but there are plenty of people who take it without cycling without a problem.

Side effects are very rarely reported. There are none which are confirmed and many adverse effects can be attributed to the additional ingredients / caffeine content often found in creatine mixes. It is worth noting that as it hasn't been around for a great amount of time continuous long term use hasn't been studied.

The short of it: just make sure you drink plenty of water and you shouldn't have to worry about anything.

Also! Just to note, creatine does not build muscle; this is a misconception. It promotes water retention which allows for greater pumps, essentially helping you to work your muscles through pain, harder and longer.

Hanley

vard wrote: »

Also! Just to note, creatine does not build muscle; this is a misconception. It promotes water retention which allows for greater pumps, essentially helping you to work your muscles through pain, harder and longer.

That's not what it does at all.

It speeds the regeneration of ATP as part of the ATP-CP cycle.

Zamboni

vard wrote: »

Its a natural product.

It's been said before...so is cyanide. What's your point?

deadlybuzzman

swimming in a sea wrote: »

I never buy any supplements myself and yet the effort I put in is often greater than guys who spend more time in the gym sucking on their whey and Creatine milkshakes.

Theres also alot to be said for eating enough/as much possible. I suck on a milkshake every sesson

vard

Zamboni wrote: »

It's been said before...so is cyanide. What's your point?

Ouch, tetchy. What's yours?

Natural as it may be, I'm not sure cyanide is naturally produced by our bodies.

Zamboni

vard wrote: »

Ouch, tetchy. What's yours?

Natural as it may be, I'm not sure cyanide is naturally produced by our bodies.

You are insinuating that because creatine is natural and produced by the human body that it is fine. Your logic is flawed.

Just because something is natural does not mean it is inherantly good.
Just because something is naturally produced in our bodies does not mean it is fine to supplement from another source.
Urea is naturally produced by the human body. Do you supplement with that too?

Hanley

vard wrote: »

Ouch, tetchy. What's yours?

Natural as it may be, I'm not sure cyanide is naturally produced by our bodies.

LET'S ALL EAT TUBS OF VLDL CHOLESTEROL!!!

vard

Zamboni wrote: »

You are insinuating that because creatine is natural and produced by the human body that it is fine. Your logic is flawed.

Just because something is natural does not mean it is inherantly good.
Just because something is naturally produced in our bodies does not mean it is fine to supplement from another source.
Urea is naturally produced by the human body. Do you supplement with that too?

I insinuated nothing of the sort. My mentioning that it was a natural product wasn't an endorsement, just a statement of fact. I don't claim to be an expert, but the OP was looking for information on the subject, so I dished up whatever I had to offer.

I'm not a creatine advocate, I think it's over rated and pointless; I am strongly against reliance on overpriced supplements. I have always maintained that they are best avoided. Beyond the very occasional bit of whey protein, I take absolutely no supplements, and I'm currently in the best shape I've ever been thanks to - shock horror - diet and excercise alone.

What I was "insinuating" was that creatine itself isn't generally regarded as harmful and that the OP would be better off being wary of the multitude of added extras / sugar / etc etc etc.

We appear to share the same opinion on the subject, so your aggression would be better targeted elsewhere.

Zamboni

vard wrote: »

We appear to share the same opinion on the subject, so your aggression would be better targeted elsewhere.

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Cool bro

deadlybuzzman

Hanley wrote: »

LET'S ALL EAT TUBS OF VLDL CHOLESTEROL!!!

Im sure Ive read that on elitefts!

Hawk Wing 2

the only negative I find, is I get cramp after training sometimes

Hanley

Zamboni wrote: »

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Cool bro

You f*cking moron. That's how you argue on the internet. IF you're losing you accuse the other person of being aggressive, or compare them to Hitler. Dickhead.





....see what I did there?! :D

Hanley

keithob wrote: »

dont know how to back this comment up but hell yes i do think creatine is not good for you.....

eat natural products .....

in a couple years time they will be connecting some cancer deaths to creatine... !

That's f*cking stupid, baseless scaremongering. Try hard enough and you could probably link cancer to posting on the Internet.

Correlation v causation. Get on it.

deadlybuzzman

keithob wrote: »

dont know how to back this comment up but hell yes i do think creatine is not good for you.....

eat natural products .....

in a couple years time they will be connecting some cancer deaths to creatine... !

I dont know how to back this comment up but natural products give you cancer......
Not very hard to just make stuff up is it?.....I think I should go write for the daily mail considerng they like to divide the world up into everything that either gives you or saves you from cancer.

Hanley

keithob wrote: »

humour....

ok cancer was a bit wild to post... uneducated scarmongering!!!!

i just dont think that taking supplements of this sort is good the body.

my opinion

Your opinion is uninformed and wrong.

Yes, opinions can be wrong.

Hanley

keithob wrote: »

time will tell if i am wrong or not....

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farmchoice

my thoughts on this for what their worth.
After getting back into fitness and weight training a few years ago I decided to look into taking some supplements. I had all the usual concerns after years of mis-information half truths and rumours so I did as much research as possible.

I came to the conclusion that whey protein is perfectly fine as a supplement as is creatine (as are many more but I was mainly interested in these two) so I started taking them. All went well and I saw definite improvements. The only downside was I became a bit of a slave to them. Not that I was taking too much just that I had to have then at the right time in the right amounts ECT. If I missed one or was away and could not take it I felt like my training was affected and that it was almost kind of pointless.

Anyway I got a series of kidney infections that were pretty much unexplained. The doc asked me did I drink a lot of milk or eat a lot of dairy. I said I didn’t but mentioned I was taking whey.
Now he said that it was highly unlikely that his was causing it but to knock off the whey for a while anyway. so i did and i stopped thaking creatne as well.

What i discovered in the next few months was that the world did not end and as long as i got plenty of protein in my diet trained hard and did not over think the whole thing i saw no drop of in my training or gains.

So in my opinion while creatine is fine it’s not the end all and be all either and can become a bit of a crutch if you let it.

parismilton

yes, if a person is not working out harder in gym and just depending on creatine, then it will not have any positive effects, in fact it will have negative effects. So Creatine should be consume only when you are have such strenuous workout routine.

daRobot

I personally find that it makes me crazy thirsty, and I drink a load of water per day as is (about 5 litres) so I don't really use it so often.

DipStick McSwindler

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john_cappa

keithob wrote: »

i sense you obsessed with this creatine...!

looking i havent got any facts its just my general opinion...

sure look once your happy taking the supplement and get the results that you want - thats all that matters.

i wont be taking it and thats my choice....

possibly in 15 / 20 years time we can review this thread... ????

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Creatine was first discover over 100 years ago. Its been a popular performance enhancer for more than 20 years.....what will another 15-20 years tell?

I am glad you are not taking it as I suspect you maybe the type of person to suffer placebo creatine rage syndrome and tell every one about how it affected your hormones and ruined your relationships.

john_cappa

keithob wrote: »

no john - i just dont need to take sh1te in supplments in order to get big.

maybe it has ruined you rships

I suspect you are massive alright.

Oryx

Guys if you cannot play nice then I'll have to take away your toys. Reasonable discussion and no name calling, ta.

COH

MrPain

On a cold Friday afternoon, I had come home from school. I had been thinking of the gym all day. I was hungry, didn't have any lunch. In fact, I didn't eat because I spent the money. For the past month I was saving up for something. Something special which I bought at GNC. I was surprised they didn't ask for ID; I was pretty sure the cashier noticed how nervous I was. Anyways, my mom asked my how my day was when I got home, but I ignored her. I have more important things to do. I run to the bathroom and unpack my bag. In my school bag is a white plastic bag from GNC. I open the bag, first removing the receipt and flushing it down the toilet to get rid of the evidence. My heart was racing now. I unpack the creatine monster from the bag.

I wonder what people will be asking me when they see that I will be 50lbs heavier. Should I say I was just eating a lot? I remove the label from the tub and tear it into a thousand small pieces. I flush that down the toilet, too. It is time now. I run up to my room when my mom ask me what I am holding. I panic, sweat drips down my forehead and my teeth chatter. "Mom, it's just for a school project". "What project?" "I don't know mom I just started it!". A tear runs down my cheek. I run upstairs and open the creatine, scooping upservings into a clear water bottle. What have I gotten myself into? I fill it with water and drink it. There is no turning back now. The creatine monster is inside me now, it will control me. What should I do if I die? I cant let my family know about this.

I open the creatine tub and throw it all out the window; a white cloud of mysterious dust sparkles into the wind so graciously. I feel the substance taking control of me; I am now the monster. I walk downstairs, its time to work out; time to get big. Now I worry, I don't want to get too big; people will think I use steroids. I do use steroids. No I don't. Creatine. All I see is the weights now, I am almost downstairs when I hear "Do you want a cookie I just baked". I know I do not have time for this **** now. "No mom I do not want a cookie" I walk in the basement and drop to my knees before the weights, tears running down my cheeks. I turn to the right and look at myself in the mirror. Oh god, what have I done?

parismilton

yes, if a person is not working out harder in gym and just depending on creatine, then it will not have any positive effects, in fact it will have negative effects. So Creatine should be consume only when you are have such strenuous workout routine.

Burkatron

parismilton wrote: »

yes, if a person is not working out harder in gym and just depending on creatine, then it will not have any positive effects, in fact it will have negative effects. So Creatine should be consume only when you are have such strenuous workout routine.

So I should only eat red meat when I'm training?? What negative effects will it have & can you back that up with proof?