Apartment Kids

Diddler1977

Apartment Kids

- Anyone watching?

Lando Griffin

Indeed.
Most city people on mainland Europe live in apartments.
A couple in a two bedroomed apt. moved in when they had two children now have 5 in the same apt. and the child wishing she had a table to do work on.
Shame on the parents for letting this happen.

Diddler1977

Lando Griffin wrote: »

Indeed.
Most city people on mainland Europe live in apartments.
A couple in a two bedroomed apt. moved in when they had two children now have 5 in the same apt. and the child wishing she had a table to do work on.
Shame on the parents for letting this happen.

Looked like there is space for a table to eat at in the room behind the kitchen?!

hawkwind23

i feel so bad for all those young couples who are in the negative equity scenario.
trapped really , very sad
makes you wonder what its all about

TadhgSk

They're are going on about having no
Money to have a table and fix the cracks in the walls but enough to own laptops and fancy shoes!

Diddler1977

Jeez, Dolphins Barn looks fairly grim

telekon

That youngfella from the city centre (Temple Bar I think) seems like a good lad. He doesn't seem too upset with the situation, which is good. Still have to feel sorry for them though, I'd go mad with the sound of heavy traffic 24/7.

hawkwind23

laptops and fancy shoes? and plasma tvs and leather sofas!
whats the modern world coming too?
surely they should be shot like dogs not treated with dignity and respect and god forbid , even have the audacity to own a laptop and shoes!

Diddler1977

telekon wrote: »

That youngfella from the city centre (Temple Bar I think) seems like a good lad. He doesn't seem too upset with the situation, which is good.

He's like a little man!! Think he has been listening to his mother alot!

Diddler1977

They should knock the wall between the kitchen and hallway, it would make the space more useable.

themadchef

Lando Griffin wrote: »

Shame on the parents for letting this happen.

Jesus that's a bit unfair on the parents.

The kids looked really happy to me on the whole. So the place is a bit tight for space. OK a bit of family planning wouldint have gone a miss, but who are we to judge anyone for their family size choices?

Size isint everything! Im sure there's kids out there would swap their huge gaffs for a loving Mam.

Diddler1977

A proper family home so the kids can write on the bedroom walls?

telekon

It is painfully obvious that these Celtic Tiger apartment blocks will be the new Ballymun's of the 21st century. Most overlooking lanes and lanes of busy traffic with no services or facilities.

Grim.

starlit

If they could afford an apartment surely they could get a town house with some kind of garden? Or a house further out of the City or in a neighbouring county where they could the cost of the apartment to same as a house to fit a family in?

Its ok for one or two kids but a family I think should have a town house or a reasonable sized house at least with three bedrooms?

I am not a great understanding of negative equity as I have not ever bought a house/apartment always rented an apartment when away from home.

It's a shame really that they have to be in such a situation the poor things. You'd wonder about the quality of life of the kids in apartments? Different now if it a big apartment and had some greenery or a place to play/playground nearby. There is a lot to be said for kids having a place to play outside. It be different it just yourself or as a couple or living with other adults but with kids if a lot is tough going in small space in a bigger space be more suitable for them.

Lando Griffin

themadchef wrote: »

Jesus that's a bit unfair on the parents.

The kids looked really happy to me on the whole. So the place is a bit tight for space. OK a bit of family planning wouldint have gone a miss, but who are we to judge anyone for their family size choices?

Size isint everything! Im sure there's kids out there would swap their huge gaffs for a loving Mam.

Did ya hear what she just said, "8 years on the housing list she dosent want one a them bigger apartments she wants a house",
I have 2 kids, thats all we are able to afford, Im not going firing 3 or 4 more out of her just for the sake of no planning.

strandroad

Lando Griffin wrote: »

Indeed.
Most city people on mainland Europe live in apartments.

True, they are just properly sized. The couple in Clongriffin don't have it that bad, as long as they don't plan to have more children. Not sure where the drama is with this case; you could easily have a house in an area with fewer amenities and no public transport.

Lando Griffin wrote: »

A couple in a two bedroomed apt. moved in when they had two children now have 5 in the same apt. and the child wishing she had a table to do work on.
Shame on the parents for letting this happen.

The synopsis on RTE website says they had one and continued one to have five more? Surely this can't be true? :eek:

Cienciano

A bit sad seeing the working couple and the woman in the council flat. Couple are doing their best to work through it, "we're here for another 34 years". The council one is demanding a house from the council somewhere.

themadchef

I'd say they are virtually impossible to sell now without losing your shirt. All mortgaged to the last and no bank will release you from the mortgage until you can actually clear it.

Catch 22.

Diddler1977

Did you see the mould on the wall beside the window in the apartment of the couple with two children (the 34 yr old lady)? Eeek!

Mould in a fairly new complex. There also seemed to be a dehumidifier on the window sill.

As well as having no facilities, these are badly built apartment complexes. Very sad.

Cienciano

telekon wrote: »

It is painfully obvious that these Celtic Tiger apartment blocks will be the new Ballymun's of the 21st century. Most overlooking lanes and lanes of busy traffic with no services or facilities.

Grim.

There's a big difference between private apartment complex and a council apartment/flat complex which was what ballymun was.

Diddler1977

BTW, just as a point my friend in Amsterdam lives in a small 2 bedroom apartment with her husband and 1 yr old. There is no lift in the complex, tho there is a a small room on the ground floor to store bikes and strollers.

Mr Keek

A common theme amonst the majority of the people that bought these apartments is that they had no intention of actually living in these apartments full time. Many saying they hoped to move on when the family life started etc.

Why in gods name would you buy an apartment that you have no intention of living for the long term? Why didn't these people not just rent?

amdublin

The kids all seem okay though.

hawkwind23

the social housing projects had some semblance of planning in the majority of cases.
these apartments were threw up purely for a quick profit, nothing else!

amdublin

This little fella is 8 going on 60 :rolleyes:

Cienciano

Mr Keek wrote: »

A common theme amonst the majority of the people that bought these apartments is that they had no intention of actually living in these apartments full time. Many saying they hoped to move on when the family life started etc.

Why in gods name would you buy an apartment that you have no intention of living for the long term? Why didn't these people not just rent?

Same reason anyone bought. Get on the ladder. You could rent for 3 years, but the house you were hoping of buying had just gone up 100k in those 3 years and you just spend a grand a month in rent.

stampydmonkey

amdublin wrote: »

The kids all seem okay though.

that kid Ashton is a great lad! he should have his own show

telekon

Sorry for repeating myself but that kid Ashton is a ledge!

Lando Griffin

Mr Keek wrote: »

A common theme amonst the majority of the people that bought these apartments is that they had no intention of actually living in these apartments full time. Many saying they hoped to move on when the family life started etc.

Why in gods name would you buy an apartment that you have no intention of living for the long term? Why didn't these people not just rent?

You had to buy to get on the property ladder, renting was seen as dead money that you could spend on your own apt. The plan being when wedding over and the honeymoon baby comes time to upsize to a leafy suburb with all the trappings of family life, but the cold wind of change ended all that.

technocrat

telekon wrote: »

Sorry for repeating myself but that kid Ashton is a ledge!

+1

Diddler1977

A school actually had to put a sign up saying "No Pyjamas Allowed"!!! :eek:

themadchef

Lando Griffin wrote: »

Did ya hear what she just said, "8 years on the housing list she dosent want one a them bigger apartments she wants a house",
I have 2 kids, thats all we are able to afford, Im not going firing 3 or 4 more out of her just for the sake of no planning.

I hear ya!

She will be waiting on the list for a long time by the looks of it. social housing lists are huge i imagine. Thousands of people live in social housing across the country though. It's her right to refuse the bigger apartment i take it?

I dunno how she does it. I have 4 kids, how in the name of god would you survive? I'd crack up.

Bowlardo

if there are so many flats left empty could they not move them all out of the dolphin flats to those empty flats what is the hold up.
We (the government ) own the bank. the bank own these building...surely to god something can be worked out

amdublin

Ah jaysis that girl needs a better bathroom :mad:

Gary The Gamer

Lando Griffin wrote: »

You had to buy to get on the property ladder, renting was seen as dead money that you could spend on your own apt. The plan being when wedding over and the honeymoon baby comes time to upsize to a leafy suburb with all the trappings of family life, but the cold wind of change ended all that.

They basically looked down on renting as being beneath them. The property ladder was built around viewing homes as investments and something to make money from. My sympathy for them is pretty low.

Diddler1977

Ah god, that poor little girl with the medical condition. Surely conditions are not sanitary enough for her to be attending to herself in that bathroom. This is so bad.

themadchef

Playing Monopoly... lol

amdublin

Gary The Gamer wrote: »

They basically looked down on renting as the being beneath them. In your opinion. The property lad was built around viewing homes as investments and something to make money from. My sympathy for them is pretty low.

I don't know anyone who bought because they thought renting was below them And I know lots of people who bought.

Gary The Gamer

amdublin wrote: »

I don't know anyone who bought because they thought renting was below them And I know lots of people who bought.

So why not rent when they knew the property was insanely overpriced and unsuitable? They couldn't bare the stigma of not being a homeowner. Rents were never even that bad during the bubble.

strandroad

Gary The Gamer wrote: »

They basically looked down on renting as the being beneath them. The property lad was built around viewing homes as investments and something to make money from. My sympathy for them is pretty low.

True, I had conversations like that. If someone was convinced that the prices will go up forever hence the need for the "ladder" you couldn't reason with them, their logic was out of the window.

Mr Keek

Cienciano wrote: »

Same reason anyone bought. Get on the ladder. You could rent for 3 years, but the house you were hoping of buying had just gone up 100k in those 3 years and you just spend a grand a month in rent.

Spending hundreds of thousands just for the sake of buying something that you have no intention of keeping is just plain thick.

Not having a go at you, so don't it personally, but that whole 'get on the ladder' only got people a 40/50 year nooses around their necks, and an apartment they never actually wanted.

Those poor kids in the Flat with the damp and moisture an mould, you heart really would go out them, they seem like really nice children.

Alot of talk a number of months ago about debt forgiveness, i think fixing up some of the appaulling conditions that some of the dissadvantaged are living in needs to sorting first in my opinion.

Gary The Gamer

These jokers came here in 2004 and couldn't find a job. Absolute leeches.

A Disgrace

I don't know where people who bought apartments are coming from. Surely they all knew what they where getting themselves into, and playing the victim is poor form. Suddenly going from 1 kid to 5 or whatever isn't the banks fault. It isn't the fault of a failing economy either

I have every sympathy for people who were conned that property prices were gonna continue to rise, and that certain areas were going to be filled with every local amenity possible, but buying a property always has a huge risk attached, whether it's as simple as someone losing their job or whatever, you kinda have to prepare for certain things going wrong.

It's part of the national psyche - owning property - and that I think has been the most detrimental thing here, and it's a shame, but it is what it is. I can only afford to rent in certain areas, cos I only earn a certain amount. It's not my right to live in luxury if I can't afford it. Sure, it I had damp, or collapsing walls, I'd feel rightly, wronged. But most of the problems here are about lack of space, something that should be obvious from the day they viewed the place.

On saying all of that, Crampton Court may not be suitable for families, but it is a pretty cool little complex. If it was in New York it would be considered a 'desirable urban dwelling'.

Heroditas

I'd love to be able to pick and choose where I live and turn down offers from the Corpo because I don't get what I want :rolleyes:

Cienciano

Gary The Gamer wrote: »

They basically looked down on renting as the being beneath them. The property lad was built around viewing homes as investments and something to make money from. My sympathy for them is pretty low.

You got the wrong idea there. Read my post above. People buy something small to get on the property ladder. Obviously the property market went tits up, so they're stuck with an apartment that they can't afford to upgrade from.

baldbear

That last father who turned down a 3 bed apartment when hes in a damp gaff with sick kids is a joke. 3 bed house hes demanding!

PhoenixParker

amdublin wrote: »

I don't know anyone who bought because they thought renting was below them And I know lots of people who bought.

It wasn't that people thought renting was beneath them, the property "ladder" was a way to get together the deposit for the house you wanted by betting on the rising market.

1) Save E20k as a deposit
2) Buy flat for E200k,180k mortgage
3) Live there for three years.
4) Sell apartment for E250k, pay off mortgage which is pretty much exactly the same size
5) Take E70k as deposit for house you actually want to live in and take out appropriate mortgage.

It was a pyramid scheme, not a ladder, but too few people realised that.

Gary The Gamer

Ahh the older generation of parents. These are the ones who were always at the kids to get on the property ladder before its too late. I know of so many friends who had this same pressure. They are financially clueless but they had this idea that you had to own property at all costs.

amdublin

Gary The Gamer wrote: »

So why not rent when they knew the property was insanely overpriced and unsuitable? They couldn't bare the stigma of not being a homeowner. Rents were never even that bad during the bubble.

Because while yes they may have known it was overpriced, it also didn't seem to be coming down. And they thought this was their only chance to buy.

I don't know, renting is not for everybody. Moving in somewhere where you can't paint a wall without asking your landlord, where you can be given notice to move out when your lease is up etc etc.

strandroad

amdublin wrote: »

I don't know, renting is not for everybody. Moving in somewhere where you can't paint a wall without asking your landlord, where you can be given notice to move out when your lease is up etc etc.

It must be a great comfort to them now that they can paint their walls and cannot move out...

Diddler1977

baldbear wrote: »

That last father who turned down a 3 bed apartment when hes in a damp gaff with sick kids is a joke. 3 bed house hes demanding!

He'll regret that decision if a house is never offered to him.