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Would you be better off if there were no taxes, no public services?

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  • 11-09-2012 12:37pm
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    Registered Users Posts: 10,758 ✭✭✭✭


    Roads would all be tolls. All public transport would be... er.. private I guess.
    No medical benefits/child support/pensions.
    But I guess you could always have insurance and take out your own pensions.
    I would have more more money I feel but am much happier having these services in place even if they're not exactly run efficiently.

    Private schools would sure make having kids expensive.

    But just think of all the tax money you have paid over the years...


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,065 ✭✭✭leonidas83


    Roads would all be tolls. All public transport would be... er.. private I guess.
    No medical benefits/child support/pensions.
    But I guess you could always have insurance and take out your own pensions.
    I would have more more money I feel but am much happier having these services in place even if they're not exactly run efficiently.

    Private schools would sure make having kids expensive.

    But just think of all the tax money you have paid over the years...

    yes most definitely, especially with the type of government we have in power & opposition to this power


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,706 ✭✭✭Celticfire


    Plenty of people paying little or no tax already.


  • Registered Users Posts: 10,758 ✭✭✭✭TeddyTedson


    leonidas83 wrote: »
    Roads would all be tolls. All public transport would be... er.. private I guess.
    No medical benefits/child support/pensions.
    But I guess you could always have insurance and take out your own pensions.
    I would have more more money I feel but am much happier having these services in place even if they're not exactly run efficiently.

    Private schools would sure make having kids expensive.

    But just think of all the tax money you have paid over the years...

    yes most definitely, especially with the type of government we have in power & opposition to this power
    But what of you were to have a special needs child who required 24/7 assistance?
    What would people in such circumstances do if they just couldn't afford it?


  • Registered Users Posts: 10,928 ✭✭✭✭martingriff


    Roads would all be tolls. All public transport would be... er.. private I guess.
    No medical benefits/child support/pensions.
    But I guess you could always have insurance and take out your own pensions.
    I would have more more money I feel but am much happier having these services in place even if they're not exactly run efficiently.

    Private schools would sure make having kids expensive.

    But just think of all the tax money you have paid over the years...

    True I guess but who would do the upkeep (when they do it) of water mains, sewage, parks, lights, roads, schools, hospitals.. How much would all these costs. Would you be better off (financially I mean)


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 32,865 ✭✭✭✭MagicMarker


    Stupid question is stupid.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 22,559 ✭✭✭✭AnonoBoy


    "Hi I'd like to get some electricity to my house please."

    - "Where do you live Sir?"

    "Wicklow"

    - "Certainly, that'll be a 5,000 euro connection fee please."


  • Registered Users Posts: 329 ✭✭ThinkAboutIt


    AnonoBoy wrote: »
    "Hi I'd like to get some electricity to my house please."

    - "Where do you live Sir?"

    "Wicklow"

    - "Certainly, that'll be a 5,000 euro connection fee please."

    No harm. We all know the only important part of the country is Dublin anyway.


  • Registered Users Posts: 903 ✭✭✭Get Real


    while an interesting idea, i cant see how this would work for someone on say 18000 a year with a child (maybe two) so they pay no tax, but private school costs 5000, rent costs 6000... so you,ve 9000 left to spend on food, other bills, schoolbooks, privatised transport, pay full whack if ill etc

    and if you've two kids then you'd really only have 4000 euro (9000-5000 second school fee) to spend on a family of three for the entire year...which, as everything is privatised, would have to cover every aspect of life.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,410 ✭✭✭bbam


    AnonoBoy wrote: »
    "Hi I'd like to get some electricity to my house please."

    - "Where do you live Sir?"

    "Wicklow"

    - "Certainly, that'll be a 5,000 euro connection fee please."

    It's not that long ago since my sister paid £5000 to have a single phase dimestic supply connected to their house, late 90's maybe. And that's on a main road within 4 miles of the second town in the county.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,456 ✭✭✭✭Mr Benevolent


    Roads would all be tolls. All public transport would be... er.. private I guess.
    No medical benefits/child support/pensions.
    But I guess you could always have insurance and take out your own pensions.
    I would have more more money I feel but am much happier having these services in place even if they're not exactly run efficiently.

    Private schools would sure make having kids expensive.

    But just think of all the tax money you have paid over the years...

    Da fuk did I just read?

    Edit: The translation seems to be "Let's go back to the Middle Ages. How bad can it be?"


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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,117 ✭✭✭AnnyHallsal


    No


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,806 ✭✭✭D1stant


    Salute!

    The most stupid post of the week

    The middle ages weren't that great tbh (and even they paid taxes)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,327 ✭✭✭Merch


    AnonoBoy wrote: »
    "Hi I'd like to get some electricity to my house please."

    - "Where do you live Sir?"

    "Wicklow"

    - "Certainly, that'll be a 5,000 euro connection fee please."

    Im sure the charge for a connection is way more than that, something like 15k, It was something I read last year, so I dont have a link but Im sure that info is available, i'll have a look and see.

    Also OP, I doubt it, definitely some services should be privatised but others not, reduce overlap and inefficiencies, have public bodies of few experts and farm the work out to organisations on contracts for a few years for maintenance and services except critical services, Garda, Army, Nursing, but services to those could be private.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,857 ✭✭✭professore


    Wages would be cut overnight for jobs with a surplus of applicants as employers would know people had no viable alternative to working. Competition for jobs would be fierce and people would work ridiculous hours to impress their bosses.

    Unemployment would fall to 5% or less as people would be forced to work for the meager wages above ... but employers could afford to hire more people, and our economy would be super competitive.

    Since there would be no-one to enforce the law, crime would skyrocket, and everyone would have a gun.

    Educational standards would vary wildly since there would be no centralised body to enforce them.

    Most people in the public sector would have no work.

    Most admin people in the public sector would have no work.

    If you got a long term illness that prevented you working you might as well kill yourself as you would end up dead anyway.

    On the "plus" side, rents and house prices would be much lower.

    Actually most of the above applies to the USA !!!

    Pretty rough overall ...


  • Registered Users Posts: 81,310 CMod ✭✭✭✭coffee_cake


    AnonoBoy wrote: »
    "Hi I'd like to get some electricity to my house please."

    - "Where do you live Sir?"

    "Wicklow"

    - "Certainly, that'll be a 5,000 euro connection fee please."

    that already happens


  • Registered Users Posts: 10,758 ✭✭✭✭TeddyTedson


    I wonder how exactly it works in places such as dubai?

    There is no such thing as a stupid question ;-p


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,857 ✭✭✭professore


    Roads would all be tolls. All public transport would be... er.. private I guess.
    No medical benefits/child support/pensions.
    But I guess you could always have insurance and take out your own pensions.
    I would have more more money I feel but am much happier having these services in place even if they're not exactly run efficiently.

    Private schools would sure make having kids expensive.

    But just think of all the tax money you have paid over the years...

    I think you wildly underestimate the cost of your lifestyle, unless you are paying 40K + a year in tax I don't think you could have the same lifestyle you do now for less money. Would benefit the rich greatly, all the rest would be screwed.


  • Registered Users Posts: 14,714 ✭✭✭✭Earthhorse


    Yes, definitely, private businesses never fail (or almost never) and when they do the market quickly adjusts to fill the gaps. By contrast, governments do a lousy job of everything, because there is no incentive for them to perform better (no competition means there is no incentive). The sooner we take areas that have traditionally been the preserve of the state and transfer them to the safe hands of experienced industry heads, the better.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 22,559 ✭✭✭✭AnonoBoy


    bluewolf wrote: »
    that already happens

    Oh yeah? In BRAY, Co. Wicklow?

    :eek:

    Merch wrote: »
    Im sure the charge for a connection is way more than that, something like 15k, It was something I read last year, so I dont have a link but Im sure that info is available, i'll have a look and see.

    Ah feck it. I'm not researching every stupid post I want to make in After Hours. Forget that.


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,117 ✭✭✭AnnyHallsal


    Earthhorse wrote: »
    Yes, definitely, private businesses never fail (or almost never) and when they do the market quickly adjusts to fill the gaps. By contrast, governments do a lousy job of everything, because there is no incentive for them to perform better (no competition means there is no incentive). The sooner we take areas that have traditionally been the preserve of the state and transfer them to the safe hands of experienced industry heads, the better.

    The bolded part is ridiculous.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 10,928 ✭✭✭✭martingriff


    Nearly everyone is thinking about services and all that including myself but who would set the laws who would run the courts, the prisons or inforce the laws a private police force could be disatrous.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,410 ✭✭✭bbam


    Merch wrote: »
    Im sure the charge for a connection is way more than that, something like 15k, It was something I read last year, so I dont have a link but Im sure that info is available, i'll have a look and see.

    Also OP, I doubt it, definitely some services should be privatised but others not, reduce overlap and inefficiencies, have public bodies of few experts and farm the work out to organisations on contracts for a few years for maintenance and services except critical services, Garda, Army, Nursing, but services to those could be private.
    ESB connection is a flat fee now, think it was about €1300 to get ours about four years ago. That includes installing 3 poles and covering quite a distance with wire, near a kilometre I'd guess.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,327 ✭✭✭Merch


    Ah feck it. I'm not researching every stupid post I want to make in After Hours. Forget that.

    Neither am I thats why I said I'd look into it but with no real intention

    actually I checked the eirgrid site but couldn't find anything so gave up immediately, then hoped no one would ask me how did I get on.

    I actually think the figure i quoted was probably for an application and connection for wind power but anyway, what he said, i mean you :)


  • Registered Users Posts: 38,247 ✭✭✭✭Guy:Incognito


    professore wrote: »

    Most people in the public sector would have no work.

    Most admin people in the public sector would have no work.

    Surely there would be no public sector?


  • Registered Users Posts: 634 ✭✭✭ceekay74


    Roads would all be tolls. All public transport would be... er.. private I guess.
    No medical benefits/child support/pensions.
    But I guess you could always have insurance and take out your own pensions.
    I would have more more money I feel but am much happier having these services in place even if they're not exactly run efficiently.

    Private schools would sure make having kids expensive.

    But just think of all the tax money you have paid over the years...

    It depends what kind of income you're on. The rich would do really well. Everyone else would be screwed.

    Maybe the question should be 'Would you like to live in a more extreme unequal version of the USA'


  • Registered Users Posts: 11,690 ✭✭✭✭Skylinehead


    No police, be grand.


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,882 ✭✭✭JuliusCaesar


    no sewers, be grand (but stinky, and pestilent)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 687 ✭✭✭WhatNowForUs?


    The government are very bloody inefficient but this situation would take the biscuit.


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,112 ✭✭✭Blowfish


    ceekay74 wrote: »
    It depends what kind of income you're on. The rich would do really well. Everyone else would be screwed.
    I'm not quite sure that's true. The wealthiest rely extremely heavily on governments to keep and improve their wealth.

    To use the basic example, the company currently with the largest market cap in the world is Apple. They rely exclusively on patent and copyright law to make their money. No government means no patent or copyright laws, hence any other company could copy their products.

    The only way to create a company with the wealth of Apple without government would be if the company was either constantly innovating and creating new and useful products, or they come up with a way to sell their products cheaper than anyone else. Given how much both scenarios benefit consumers, personally I'd have no problem with it happening.
    No police, be grand.
    no sewers, be grand (but stinky, and pestilent)
    What makes people think either of the above would be true? Both are pretty good business opportunities, it wouldn't take long before multiple companies would be competing to provide these services.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 11,690 ✭✭✭✭Skylinehead


    Blowfish wrote: »
    What makes people think either of the above would be true? Both are pretty good business opportunities, it wouldn't take long before multiple companies would be competing to provide these services.

    So we pay a private company to run the Gardai.

    Sounds like taxes :pac:


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