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Formula 1 2012: Round 13 - Italian Grand Prix

  • 05-09-2012 11:46am
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,287 ✭✭✭✭


    So Monza this weekend, another historic track and the last race in Europe this season.

    The main news is that Roman Grosjean won't be taking part due to a race ban and Pastor Maldonado has been handed a 10 place grid penalty for the race.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,529 ✭✭✭recyclebin


    I'd say there might be a good chance of a Force India starting on the front row for this.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 33,733 ✭✭✭✭Myrddin


    I love when there's a race on back to back weekends. In fact, I petition a move to have an F1 race every single weekend, 52 of those bad boys please! :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,287 ✭✭✭✭Jordan 199


    I can see McLaren locking out the front row of the grid and one of their drivers winning. Monza is all about speed and the McLaren is the quickest car.

    I expect Sauber to be up at the sharp end too.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 33,733 ✭✭✭✭Myrddin


    LIGHTNING wrote: »
    Just imagine the number of penalties that Pastor would have!

    I imaging he'd be helping Karthekeyan prop up the back of the grid a lot alright :D

    Dying for the weekend now, come on Alonso the finger kid is catching you!!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,396 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt


    Love Monza, my favorite race of all time was the 1998 one, still remember it to this day.

    Hoping Alonso can get back on track at this, either way I am expecting a cracker!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,533 ✭✭✭Daniel S


    I'd love to see Custard get on the podium if he somehow can. It's probably going to be his only chance to do so in a decent F1 car.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,855 ✭✭✭Grim.




  • Closed Accounts Posts: 33,733 ✭✭✭✭Myrddin




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,212 ✭✭✭Spudman_20000


    Grim. wrote: »

    Wow, that would be a huge move for Hamilton. In my opinion he'd be an idiot to leave Mclaren. They have the best car at the moment whereas Mercedes have had 3 poor seasons. Mind you, Lewis has made some silly decisions on and off the track in his career.

    And please God, don't move Paul di Resta to McLaren. That's all we need, another miserable Scot in a McLaren.

    It will be sad if Schumi retires again. I reckon he should move back to Ferrari to replace Massa. I know Luca di Montezemolo was very eager to get Schumi back after Massa was injured and even suggested allowing the team to run a 3rd car!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 33,733 ✭✭✭✭Myrddin


    Wow, that would be a huge move for Hamilton. In my opinion he'd be an idiot to leave Mclaren. They have the best car at the moment whereas Mercedes have had 3 poor seasons. Mind you, Lewis has made some silly decisions on and off the track in his career.

    And please God, don't move Paul di Resta to McLaren. That's all we need, another miserable Scot in a McLaren.

    It will be sad if Schumi retires again. I reckon he should move back to Ferrari to replace Massa. I know Luca di Montezemolo was very eager to get Schumi back after Massa was injured and even suggested allowing the team to run a 3rd car!

    Agreed I think it'd be a terrible idea career wise. The Merc has been appaling, three seasons to improve but aside from Rosbergs win & Schumi's lucky podium...they've made nowhere near the progress I expected of them.

    Hamilton hasn't looked happy at Mclaren in a good while, & maybe Merc are offering him more money. But he may kiss a second title goodbye if he moves to Merc for the foreseeable future


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,533 ✭✭✭Daniel S


    EnterNow wrote: »
    Agreed I think it'd be a terrible idea career wise. The Merc has been appaling, three seasons to improve but aside from Rosbergs win & Schumi's lucky podium...they've made nowhere near the progress I expected of them.

    Hamilton hasn't looked happy at Mclaren in a good while, & maybe Merc are offering him more money. But he may kiss a second title goodbye if he moves to Merc for the foreseeable future

    If he doesn't move, it will cost him millions. Literally.
    Remember though, that Mercedes team is effectively Brawn GP, who won in their first any only year due to one advantage on their car over all the others. They are just as likely as any other team to come up with something like that again. D-DRS for example (obviously hasn't helped enough this year though).

    He'll be the clear favourite at Mercedes, where they're pretty much the same at McLaren.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,354 ✭✭✭smellslikeshoes


    Grim. wrote: »

    I'd say this is a ploy to improve bargaining position to extract more money. Meet with Mercedes to see what their offer is and then leak it to people with big mouths like EJ. I really couldn't see why it would be in Hamilton's interest to join Mercedes.
    Daniel S wrote: »
    He'll be the clear favourite at Mercedes, where they're pretty much the same at McLaren.

    I doubt this tbh, Rosberg is very underrated in my opinion and I personally think there would be very little to seperate them in the same car.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 33,733 ✭✭✭✭Myrddin


    I'd say this is a ploy to improve bargaining position to extract more money. Meet with Mercedes to see what their offer is and then leak it to people with big mouths like EJ. I really couldn't see why it would be in Hamilton's interest to join Mercedes.

    I'd suspect this too, it just doesn't make sense to move unless the money is significantly more.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,533 ✭✭✭Daniel S


    EnterNow wrote: »
    I'd suspect this too, it just doesn't make sense to move unless the money is significantly more.

    I think it's because McLaren will be significantly less! :D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 33,733 ✭✭✭✭Myrddin


    Daniel S wrote: »
    I think it's because McLaren will be significantly less! :D

    Well yeah I suppose that could be the case too..


  • Posts: 25,611 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Kimi and Jenson at McLaren next season? :pac:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 33,733 ✭✭✭✭Myrddin


    Kimi and Jenson at McLaren next season? :pac:

    Ooh now that does sound formidable I must say!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,533 ✭✭✭Daniel S


    Kimi and Jenson at McLaren next season? :pac:

    They would surely get constructors championship at least?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,670 ✭✭✭Rascasse


    EnterNow wrote: »
    Agreed I think it'd be a terrible idea career wise. The Merc has been appaling, three seasons to improve but aside from Rosbergs win & Schumi's lucky podium...they've made nowhere near the progress I expected of them.

    Hamilton hasn't looked happy at Mclaren in a good while, & maybe Merc are offering him more money. But he may kiss a second title goodbye if he moves to Merc for the foreseeable future

    McLaren haven't been able to offer him a truly competitive car since 08 and Merc (as Brawn) won the title more recently. Is he really better off staying at McLaren on continual promises of championship worthy car that never apppears?

    Perhaps with a clear lead driver with bags more talent than Merc have had the last few years will push them that last step.

    I'd imagine if he did sign for Merc he'd get some guarantee on a their continued involvement in F1 for the length of his contract (as they are the only ones not to sign up to Concorde agreement yet). Also that Merc are willing to continue to fund the team to an equal or greater extent than they currently as there have been rumours for a long time that the execs were losing interest.

    Perhaps a great move, perhaps a shocker. He won't know till he rolls the dice....


  • Posts: 25,611 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Rascasse wrote: »
    McLaren haven't been able to offer him a truly competitive car since 08 and Merc (as Brawn) won the title more recently. Is he really better off staying at McLaren on continual promises of championship worthy car that never apppears?

    Perhaps with a clear lead driver with bags more talent than Merc have had the last few years will push them that last step.

    I'd imagine if he did sign for Merc he'd get some guarantee on a their continued involvement in F1 for the length of his contract (as they are the only ones not to sign up to Concorde agreement yet). Also that Merc are willing to continue to fund the team to an equal or greater extent than they currently as there have been rumours for a long time that the execs were losing interest.

    Perhaps a great move, perhaps a shocker. He won't know till he rolls the dice....

    Seems Mercedes still have the same problem they had as Brawn, Honda and BAR, complete inability to develop a car. They can design a fast one but have they ever improved over the course of a season?


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  • Posts: 25,611 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    EnterNow wrote: »
    Ooh now that does sound formidable I must say!

    Definitely a contender for the sexiest two drivers at a team at the same time. :pac:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 33,733 ✭✭✭✭Myrddin


    Definitely a contender for the sexiest two drivers at a team at the same time. :pac:

    If by sexiest you mean talented, then yeah...I agree :D Your on your own form there on out tho :p


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,370 ✭✭✭b757


    I know Kimi never won at Monza but i have a feeling he will this weekend, or atleast get close.

    Just looking at the odds, 9/2. Definitely going to put a tenner on him.

    Button could do well also i believe, after his race at Spa its either between him and Kimi (i think).


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,533 ✭✭✭Daniel S


    b757 wrote: »
    I know Kimi never won at Monza but i have a feeling he will this weekend, or atleast get close.

    Just looking at the odds, 9/2. Definitely going to put a tenner on him.

    Button could do well also i believe, after his race at Spa its either between him and Kimi (i think).

    Button will almost certainly do well, it's basically the same car setup isn't it?

    Kimi hasn't "the device" yet though. I'm keeping my money until I think there's a more likely chance of him winning.


  • Posts: 25,611 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Button usually runs a much different set-up than the others at Monza, carries much more speed and brakes later for corners to the detriment of top-end speed. Button will be running more closely to the Belgium set-up than anyone else.


  • Posts: 25,611 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Driver press conference at 2 on SSF1.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,323 ✭✭✭Max_Charger


    Driver press conference at 2 on SSF1.

    They're really tring to dig into Lewis, even dragging Rosberg into it asking him who'll be there next year, funny to watch :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,533 ✭✭✭Daniel S


    They're really tring to dig into Lewis, even dragging Rosberg into it asking him who'll be there next year, funny to watch :D

    It's brilliant! :D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,323 ✭✭✭Max_Charger


    Alonso and Massa are getting a great kick out of it!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,533 ✭✭✭Daniel S


    LIGHTNING wrote: »
    Massa has some neck, he will be flipping burgers in some greasy spoon next year after he gets turfed out of Ferrari :pac:

    I nearly cried because of the look on Alonso's face when Massa said he thinks he can beat Alonso for the rest of the season! :D:D:D


  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 10,669 Mod ✭✭✭✭Andrew76


    Daniel S wrote: »
    I nearly cried because of the look on Alonso's face when Massa said he thinks he can beat Alonso for the rest of the season! :D:D:D

    Wonder is it repeated again tonight, will have to watch it. Massa must be smoking some fantastic stuff to be spouting that rubbish. Unless he meant beating him to the lowest amount of points scored? :pac:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,444 ✭✭✭frostie500


    Following the famine comes the feast. After waiting five weeks for a Grand Prix the summer break is over and the races are coming thick fast. The Italian Grand Prix comes just a week following a dramatic race at Spa that could have had a huge impact on the championship.

    Fernando Alonso and Lewis Hamilton were both taken out at the first corner by a huge crash and while both drivers, and Romain Grosjean and Sergio Perez, were able to walk away from the smash the attention was shifted to the championship rapidly with Alonso's lead cut to 24 points to Sebastian Vettel.

    Racing in Italy is always a difficult task for a Ferrari driver and a repeat of his 2010 victory is crucial for Alonso if he is to reassert his authority on the championship.
    The Monza Circuit
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    Monza is one of the most historic race tracks on the Formula 1 calendar with the Italian track echoing Monaco as one that has changed precious little since the early seasons of Formula 1.

    Monza has hosted a Formula 1 Grand Prix every year since 1950, with the sole exception of 1980 when Imola played host to the Italian Grand Prix. The circuit has changed very little since its initial races in 1922. The challenges remain the same today as they were when Formula 1 engines first roared into life through the woods of the Villa Reale Park with the current generation of drivers experiencing the highest speeds of the season as they drive from one chicane to the next touching 200 mph four points each lap.

    The lap starts with drivers braking from 200 mph down to 50 mph for the Reffililo chicane before the flat out Curva Granda that leads into another slow chicane where drivers slow from top speeds. It was at the start of the ’78 race that Ronnie Peterson died following a mass crash as the field headed to the first corner. The Lotus of Peterson was pitched into the barriers with his car then catching fire before Hunt managed to extract the Swede from his car and placed him on the track.

    Peterson was still conscious at this point but amazingly Italian police formed a cordon around the title contender and would not allow him to receive medical attention until 15 minutes after the accident. When medics were given access to Peterson he was treated for his burns and a fractured leg and had surgery to set his leg but later that night died due to an embolism. This can be quite a common complaint after a fracture of longer bones, and sees fat build up in blood vessels which in this case occured in the lungs and caused brain failure due to a lack of oxegen.

    This tragedy has played a role in the transformation of Formula 1 safety with it being decided that medical facilities at race tracks needed to be brought up to a more acceptable standard, a process that has undoubtedly saved countless of lives in the mean time.

    Once through the second chicane the middle sector begins and this is where the top drivers will show their speed. The Lesmo corners are two of the greatest challenges facing drivers in the entire season, with low downforce, as a result a slightly skittish car, drivers have to challenge themselves to take these corners as fast as possible because speed is of the essence on the way to the Ascari chicane, named after the spot where double world champion Alberto died in 1955 while testing a Ferrari sports car.

    From here the drivers are homeward bound with only the parabolic remaining. This corner can catch out even the very best; Ayrton Senna misjudged his braking in 1987 and slid into the gravel costing him the chance of a superb win for Lotus. In 1970 Jochen Rindt died at Parabolica following a brake failure. The German went on to become the sports only posthumous champion.
    Can McLaren win three in a row?

    Jenson Button's fantastic Belgian victory was the first time this season where one driver managed to lead the race from start to finish and with McLaren chasing their third consecutive it is clear that the team has found their mojo once again.

    Until the Spanish Grand Prix the team had the fastest car on the grid but a mid-season slump saw both drivers struggle and fall adrift in the championship. The lowpoint of the season came at the British Grand Prix but in the last three races the team has brought a series of new parts and improved their performance considerably.

    At Hockenheim Jenson Button finished second before the team scored back to back wins in Hungary and Belgium. Maintaining this momentum is key if McLaren are to offer any challenge to Red Bull in the Constructors' Championship; the team is 54 points adrift at present.

    Following his dominant Belgium victory Button is looking forward to returning to Monza where he has finished second for the last two years.

    "I head to Monza absolutely full of motivation after a fantastic result in Spa,” said the 2009 world champion. “It was the perfect weekend for me - it's not only put me back in contention for the drivers' championship, but it's shown that we have a car that can definitely fight for the constructors' title.

    "It'll be great to be back in the car so soon after the victory. Monza is one of the greatest circuits in the world and our car seems to be particularly well suited to high-speed circuits, so I'm optimistic that we'll be competitive again this weekend. For some reason, the car we've brought to Monza in the last two seasons has been really well suited to me. I've really been able to work with the balance and enjoyed pushing the car. The success we had with a low-downforce configuration at Spa also gives us cause for optimism.”

    Webber needs a strong race

    The intra team battle at Red Bull is heating up again and while a repeat of the fireworks of 2010 are unlikely the strains of a title fight for both drivers might start to reappear.

    Vettel has now moved into second in the championship ahead of Mark Webber and it must be disheartening for the Australian who has been one of the more consistent drivers this season. Webber finds himself just eight points behind his teammate and even though the reigning champion had a stunning drive at Spa the pressure on both drivers is growing. Time is running out in the 2012 season and while Alonso's non-score at Spa has tightened up the proceedings it is now of utmost importance to capitalise on this and ensure a very competitive end to the season.

    Monza has never really been one of Webber's better tracks. He has yet to finish in the top five in Italy and ending this trend will be crucial for him. With seven races remaining and trailing Alonso by 32 points it is imperative that Webber can finish on the rostrum this weekend otherwise it the championship will become a very difficult proposition.
    Surely to be a weekend of contrasts for Lotus

    With Kimi Raikkonen still searching for his first win of the year the frustration was starting to become evident at Spa. The Finnish star spent most of the race complaining on the team radio about the handling of his car. It seemed that for the majority of the weekend Raikkonen complained about having no grip or no power.

    Raikkonen has been in great form throughout 2012 and has finished on the rostrum six times, the same number as Alonso, but has not been able to claim his long overdue race win yet. Spa seemed to be a great opportunity for Lotus to win a race and Monza could be much more difficult weekend. With the championship gap to Alonso now down to 33 points it is clear just how successful the 2007 world champion's season has been.

    On the other side of the garage at Lotus this weekend Romain Grosjean will be replaced by Jerome D'Ambrosio following the Frenchman's suspension for causing the opening lap crash in Belgium. Speaking during the week Raikkonen defended his teammate by saying, "Accidents happen, that is part of the sport," Raikkonen told reporters at Monza ahead of the Italian Grand Prix.
    "Sometimes they could be avoided, but it is nothing you can change. Things can go wrong even if you don't go aggressively or [if you] try to avoid it."


    The harshness of the penalty has been debated my many but the opportunity that it presents D'Ambrosio is undoubted.

    Last year the Belgian drove for Marussia so while he has not driven the 2012 Lotus in the dry he has tested the car for one day at the mid-season Mugello test. D'Ambrosio is keenly aware of the difficulty that he will face this weekend. Speaking at Monza the replacement driver said:

    “I need to work with the engineers on the car, stay focused on that, and once that work is done we can hope for something good,” said D'Ambrosio. "I don't feel I have had plenty of time in the car, one time in Mugello on a fairly wet track, so it will be good to get more time. But I was really involved with the team so far so I will try to capitalise on that. As third driver is it part of the job to be prepared as best as I can, keep fit and keep up to date as much as I could in case something like this happens."

    Last year Bruno Senna was faced with a similarly difficult situation when he replaced Nick Heidfeld for the last seven races of the year. Senna made his debut for the team in Belgium and surprised everyone by qualifying seventh. Senna managed to parley his end of season form into a Williams drive for this season and D'Ambrosio must have similar ambitions.
    Perez looks to capitalise on Grosjean absence

    Another driver looking to take advantage of Grosjean's absence will be Sergio Perez. The Mexican is 30 points behind the Lotus driver in the drivers' championship but a strong race could see him move into genuine contention, alongside Nico Rosberg, for seventh in the standings.

    The Swiss squad has had a number of very strong races this year but the front row start by Kamui Kobayashi was the first time that they showed ultimate single lap pace to match the rest of the field. With another high speed lap, although with much lower downforce settings, Monza could be another chance for the team to score a handful of points. For Perez the chance to race at the historic venue is one that he is looking forward to:

    "The track in Monza is another favourite of mine, and I have had some very good races there,” said the Mexican. “In Formula 3 I qualified 14th and then went on to win both races. I always enjoy the atmosphere in Italy, and the Tifosi are just great. The circuit is obviously a true high-speed track and I have a lot of faith in our low downforce package which we have in place. Also when I look at our performance in Spa, which is also a fast track, the C31 should be strong at the Italian Grand Prix."

    Sauber's race pace will be crucial if Perez is to close the championship gap to Grosjean and Rosberg but with single stop races likely for most of the field it is unlikely that the tyre-friendly Sauber will be able to take advantage of its greatest strength relative to the rest of the field.

    Starting at the front will be the only chance for Perez and Kobayashi to score more than just a couple of points.
    Attention to be focused on Maldonado but Senna will be faster

    The Grosjean suspension makes it very likely that we will see a lot of focus on driving standards this weekend and Pastor Maldonado will definitely be at the centre of attention again. The Williams driver has not scored a point since his stunning victory in Spain and with the mistakes and clashes with other drivers having mounted his behaviour on track will be under close scrutiny.

    The Venezuelan however is excited ahead of racing at Monza, the track where he clinched his GP2 title.

    "Monza is another historic track that drivers like visiting so I'm really looking forward to this weekend,” said Maldonado. “It's the quickest track we visit all season and requires a very particular set-up with a completely different aero package. The car has low downforce levels at Monza so we will have to adapt to that set-up. The track itself is a challenging one for drivers and has quite a few overtaking opportunities so it should be an exciting weekend for the fans."

    After being hit with a ten place grid penalty following a jump start and collision at Spa the task facing Maldonado is quite extreme and the likelihood is that Bruno Senna will be the best placed Williams driver again this weekend.

    While the Brazilian has not shown the same stunning turn of pace that has marked his teammate's season the accidents that have punctuated Maldonado's year have been avoided by Senna. He has been a very safe pair of hands throughout the year and is only five points behind Pastor in the championship.

    Last weekend Senna was very consistent at Spa and his drive should have netted a points finish but he is confident of adding to his haul this weekend.

    "While we didn't finish in the points the car showed good pace at Spa, particularly on the long straights, so the signs are looking good heading into Monza,” said the Brazilian. “It's a very fast circuit and is a real old fashioned test for the driver's so I'm looking forward to the race. The team is working very hard to get the maximum out of the car and if we can get qualifying right we should be looking for a points finish."
    Setup challenges facing the teams

    Monza is the only true low downforce track remaining on the Formula 1 calendar. It is the only track where we will see ultra skinny rear wings as teams look to maximise their straight line speed.
    The unique challenges presented by Monza make it difficult for engineers to find the optimum setup:

    "Monza is definitely a stand-alone track in the season due to its very long straights and a limited amount of corners,” commented Sauber's Giampaolo Dall'Ara. “They are interesting corners as two of them are low speed chicanes requiring very good braking stability and then traction out of them. The rest, basically Lesmo and Parabolica, are very interesting high speed bends that become even more challenging with the low downforce levels we run there, which is also stand-alone in the season.

    “Then we have the Variante Ascari, a medium speed chicane which is a double corner that also gives us an engineering challenge to balance out the drag requirements, which are very low with a reasonable amount of downforce and definitely a very good mechanical grip. The track is an old fashioned one with bumps, a regular surface and high kerbs, especially in the chicanes. The tyres will be challenging and Pirelli will supply the same as in Spa - medium and hard - but Monza is not hard on the tyres so they will be consistent and getting them to perform in qualifying will possibly be challenging.”


    The engine is under tremendous strain throughout the race, as outlined by Renault's Remi Taffin:

    "The driver will spend as much as 75 per cent of the lap at full throttle so we make sure that all the internals, maps, fuel and lubricants settings are triple checked,” said the Frenchman. “We could run a test engine to as much as 3,000km on a simulation of this track to check reliability and performance, ten times a race distance. Monza has two very long straights that are over a kilometre each so we work to create a powerful map that works well over the last two thousand revs, but we also need good acceleration out of the very slow chicanes as the driver will brake down from over 330kph to just 80kph before accelerating back up to over 300kph in a little over 150m."
    Formula 1 revolves around Pirelli tyres

    Pirelli's home race is obviously one of the the biggest races of the year for Italian manufacturer:

    "Monza is probably the most important race of the year for us, as it is our chance to come home and showcase our tyres and specialised technology in front of so many of our people and the passionate Italian fans,” said the tyre manufacturer's motorsport boss, Paul Hembery. “There is a really special atmosphere to this race that is unique to Italy.

    "Not only that, but Monza is one of the most demanding circuits that we visit all year due to the high speed and significant lateral loads on the tyres. After Spa, it is the second-highest set of forces that our tyres will experience all year. Coming to Monza directly from Spa for the first time means that the teams will be fully up to speed with the hard and medium tyres, while there is a huge amount of momentum behind the championship now, which is shaping up to become the most thrilling finale since we returned to Formula One. Ambient temperatures can be very high in Italy, which places further demands on the tyres, so we would normally expect two pit stops.

    "Strategy turned out to be a key ingredient to success last year, with the podium places only decided on the final lap, and we would expect the same again this year. With the cars at full throttle for so long, it's hard for anybody to gain a big lead unless they use strategy to their advantage."


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,733 ✭✭✭SnowDrifts


    Andrew76 wrote: »
    Wonder is it repeated again tonight, will have to watch it. Massa must be smoking some fantastic stuff to be spouting that rubbish. Unless he meant beating him to the lowest amount of points scored? :pac:

    The interviewer asked Massa did he think he could beat Alonso during the rest of the season to which he replied "yes".

    He is hardly gonna turn around and say "No way, he is much better than me" even though everyone else knows the latter to be true.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,533 ✭✭✭Daniel S


    SnowDrifts wrote: »
    The interviewer asked Massa did he think he could beat Alonso during the rest of the season to which he replied "yes".

    He is hardly gonna turn around and say "No way, he is much better than me" even though everyone else knows the latter to be true.

    He's either delusional or straight up lying. He know's he won't get near Alonso. He shouldn't have made it so clear he was going to "beat" Alonso.

    The usual "The car is struggling but I have my mind/family/friends in the right place and I'm working hard with the engineers to make sure..... blah blah blah *avoid the question*" would for once have been more appropriate.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,733 ✭✭✭SnowDrifts


    Daniel S wrote: »
    He's either delusional or straight up lying. He know's he won't get near Alonso. He shouldn't have made it so clear he was going to "beat" Alonso.

    The usual "The car is struggling but I have my mind/family/friends in the right place and I'm working hard with the engineers to make sure..... blah blah blah *avoid the question*" would for once have been more appropriate.

    I disagree. He was asked one single question - "Can you beat alonso" to which he simply replied "Yes".

    A racing driver rarely admits his team mate is better than him before retirement even if it is obvious he is. He answered the question correctly IMO.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,533 ✭✭✭Daniel S


    SnowDrifts wrote: »
    I disagree. He was asked one single question - "Can you beat alonso" to which he simply replied "Yes".

    A racing driver rarely admits his team mate is better than him before retirement even if it is obvious he is. He answered the question correctly IMO.

    By lying? He should have avoided the question. He's just digging a hole in my opinion.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,733 ✭✭✭SnowDrifts


    Daniel S wrote: »
    By lying? He should have avoided the question. He's just digging a hole in my opinion.

    Ha .. you cant avoid a single question directed just at you. After all, he has beaten Alonso before and he has to have some slim inner belief that maybe he could do it again before the end of the season for his own mental psyche. Like I said, correct answer IMO.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,533 ✭✭✭Daniel S


    SnowDrifts wrote: »
    Ha .. you cant avoid a single question directed just at you. After all, he has beaten Alonso before and he has to have some slim inner belief that maybe he could do it again before the end of the season. Like I said, correct answer IMO.

    We'll agree to disagree so ;)


  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 10,669 Mod ✭✭✭✭Andrew76


    SnowDrifts wrote: »
    The interviewer asked Massa did he think he could beat Alonso during the rest of the season to which he replied "yes".

    He is hardly gonna turn around and say "No way, he is much better than me" even though everyone else knows the latter to be true.

    Just watched the repeat there. A more honest answer would have been "I'll try my best" or something like that, he's just kidding himself if he really believes he can.

    I thought the question to all drivers except d'Ambrosio, about whether they felt concerned by him driving, was a bit disrespectful. It's Maldonado they need to be concerned about to be fair.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,733 ✭✭✭SnowDrifts


    Andrew76 wrote: »

    I thought the question to all drivers except d'Ambrosio, about whether they felt concerned by him driving, was a bit disrespectful. It's Maldonado they need to be concerned about to be fair.

    Was thinking the exact same myself. He isn't a rookie after all.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 33,733 ✭✭✭✭Myrddin


    SnowDrifts wrote: »
    Ha .. you cant avoid a single question directed just at you

    You should watch The Dail


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,412 ✭✭✭lolie


    Bbc has a good few monza races on the red button now.
    87, 88, 90, 94 and 95. The sound of the ferrari v12 was something else.


  • Posts: 25,611 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Were any of those races actually any good? :P


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,688 ✭✭✭✭mickdw


    Just back to the driver press conference, I think you are all being very unfair on Massa. He was asked if he thought he could beat alonso AGAIN this season. Therefore if Massa felt he could finish ahead of Alonso in any race of the season, the answer had to be yes. I certainly believe he will finish ahead of Alonso on 1 or 2 occasions yet this year. Even a complete no hoper would have answered yes to that question.
    He certainly wasnt asked if would beat alonso outright for the season or even for the remainder of the season.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,670 ✭✭✭Rascasse


    Trouble for Merc in practice. Rear wing airflow not reattaching after closing DRS. If they can't get it fixed by tomorrow they may have to race without it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,670 ✭✭✭Rascasse


    Looks like Alonso's gearbox has given up the ghost. I wonder if related to the problem in FP1?

    Fingers crossed for a grid penalty to help tighten up the championship further.

    Edit:
    kraxw.png

    Boo.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,047 ✭✭✭freestyla


    Rascasse wrote: »
    Looks like Alonso's gearbox has given up the ghost. I wonder if related to the problem in FP1?

    Fingers crossed for a grid penalty to help tighten up the championship further.

    Edit:
    kraxw.png

    Boo.

    Yea could have get at least a couple races penalty :D

    However the championship climax is nicely building up if Mclaren is the fastest in sunday race. They did well in today's practices.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,396 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt


    No penalty for Alonso, its was a practice unit so he gets off, its a very tight top 10 judging from practice.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,708 ✭✭✭Charlie-Bravo


    Gintonious wrote: »
    No penalty for Alonso, its was a practice unit so he gets off, its a very tight top 10 judging from practice.
    Only 1/4 second between top 8 in FP2 anyway - so close between BUT and HAM too. I reckon odds for the race are so tight now...

    -. . ...- . .-. / --. --- -. -. .- / --. .. ...- . / -.-- --- ..- / ..- .--.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,670 ✭✭✭Rascasse


    According to the Beeb the long run pace of McLaren, Red Bull and Massa is the same. Kimi is slightly faster. Mercs were on lower fuel so not comparable and Alonso didn't get to do his long run.

    Of course we don't know who was maxed out or sand bagging but with the fastest laps so close too it should be a cracking race.


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