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    #332
    phog
    Registered Users Posts: 24,067 ✭✭✭✭phog


    Vanquished wrote: »
    The new housing project is being built on the former Limerick Clothing factory site. This primary care centre is being developed on the neighbouring site where a disused warehouse currently stands on the grounds of City Campus.

    Access to the primary care facility will be from the new housing scheme.

    Sounds like the old Shannon Foundry site.


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    #333
    Vanquished
    Registered Users Posts: 1,023 ✭✭✭Vanquished


    phog wrote: »
    Sounds like the old Shannon Foundry site.

    Tis.
    Vanquished wrote: »
    I'd imagine this is the one being built on the old Shannon Foundry site between City Campus and the former Limerick Clothing Factory on Lord Edward Street.


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    #334
    crusha101
    Registered Users Posts: 121 ✭✭crusha101


    http://www.limerickleader.ie/news/home/208508/Limerick-council-defends-consultation-over-Thomond.html

    I think this will be a breeding ground for anti-social behavior , I'm all for investment in st marys park and thomand but I don't see this as being beneficial in the long run.


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    #335
    wigsa100
    Registered Users Posts: 213 ✭✭wigsa100


    Where is that exactly? Is it if you were sitting outside in Jack Monday's, down to the left?


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    #336
    Poxyshamrock
    Registered Users Posts: 4,839 ✭✭✭Poxyshamrock


    wigsa100 wrote: »
    Where is that exactly? Is it if you were sitting outside in Jack Monday's, down to the left?

    Yes, down at end of Brown's Quay.


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    #337
    phog
    Registered Users Posts: 24,067 ✭✭✭✭phog


    Zero applications in Limerick for Living Cities scheme
    NOT one application has been received in Limerick to reinhabit a Georgian building under the much-lauded Living Cities scheme.

    Eighteen applications were received in Dublin, four in Cork, seven in Waterford, two in Kilkenny, two in Galway and none in Limerick, which has been praised as having some of the best Georgian architecture in the country, the Minister for Finance Michael Noonan has outlined in the Dail.


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    #338
    TonyCliftonEsq
    Closed Accounts Posts: 151 ✭✭TonyCliftonEsq


    Jaysus


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    #339
    zulutango
    Registered Users Posts: 3,903 ✭✭✭zulutango


    phog wrote: »
    Zero applications in Limerick for Living Cities scheme

    It's not in the least bit surprising.

    There's a whole host of reasons why most wealthy or professional people don't want to live in the city centre. Until many of the Georgian streets are turned into family-friendly, quiet, residential places then demand for these buildings will be low. Our streets are ugly and unappealing. There's really poor paving, too many overhead cables, really inappropriate lighting, far too much unnecessary signage. Practically every street is a through-way for cars and other vehicles. This shouldn't be the case we want any kind of residential uptake. Same goes for on-street parking. It really makes our streets very uninviting. Tax breaks are part of the solution, but only a small part.


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    #340
    Bored_lad
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    Tax breaks were never going to do anything in Limerick. The streets themselves are ugly and have been badly maintained over the years. They badly need to be repaved and cleaned. You have a lack of on street parking in the areas as well. This scheme was also only available if you were willing to live in the house yourself you couldn't rent it out or could you give it to a family member. You also have the risk of spending a lot of money and doing your house to find none of the other houses on the street renovated leaving you living in a lovely house but in a derelict area.


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    #341
    phog
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    zulutango wrote: »
    It's not in the least bit surprising.

    There's a whole host of reasons why most wealthy or professional people don't want to live in the city centre. Until many of the Georgian streets are turned into family-friendly, quiet, residential places then demand for these buildings will be low. Our streets are ugly and unappealing. There's really poor paving, too many overhead cables, really inappropriate lighting, far too much unnecessary signage. Practically every street is a through-way for cars and other vehicles. This shouldn't be the case we want any kind of residential uptake. Same goes for on-street parking. really makes our streets very uninviting. Tax breaks are part of the solution, but only a small part.

    I hope I misunderstand this post, do you want the council/government to use tax payers money to redo the streets, lighting, burying cables etc and then give tax breaks so the wealthy can be enticed back into the city.

    Perhaps, they're happy where ever they currently reside.




    Same goes for on-street parking
    Bored_lad wrote: »
    Tax breaks were never going to do anything in Limerick. The streets themselves are ugly and have been badly maintained over the years. They badly need to be repaved and cleaned. You have a lack of on street parking in the areas as well. This scheme was also only available if you were willing to live in the house yourself you couldn't rent it out or could you give it to a family member. You also have the risk of spending a lot of money and doing your house to find none of the other houses on the street renovated leaving you living in a lovely house but in a derelict area.

    Hsve we enough or too little on street parking?


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    #342
    Johnny_BravoIII
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    The scheme didnt go far enough.

    The scheme required a min spend of 10% to qualify. Refundable over 10 years through a deduction in future income tax. Landlords couldn't qualify.

    If you purchased a house worth €250,000 and spent €100,000, you would be entitled to a €10,000 income tax discount out over 10 years.

    It's not insignificant. Just not enough for the small % of people who would meet these conditions to decide to avail.

    If the income tax was a refund on income tax paid over previous 10 years, the then lump sum into your bank account would be a bigger incentive. Same tax impact.


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    #343
    zulutango
    Registered Users Posts: 3,903 ✭✭✭zulutango


    phog wrote:
    Hsve we enough or too little on street parking?


    Too much. The streets are too valuable to be given over to on street parking.


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    #344
    zulutango
    Registered Users Posts: 3,903 ✭✭✭zulutango


    phog wrote:
    I hope I misunderstand this post, do you want the council/government to use tax payers money to redo the streets, lighting, burying cables etc and then give tax breaks so the wealthy can be enticed back into the city.

    The whole point of the Living Cities Initiative was redress the demographic imbalance in the city centre. It was to attract some amount of high PAYE earners and self employed individuals to live in the city centre, basically to kick-start some amount of gentrification.


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    #345
    phog
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    zulutango wrote: »
    The whole point of the Living Cities Initiative was redress the demographic imbalance in the city centre. It was to attract some amount of high PAYE earners and self employed individuals to live in the city centre, basically to kick-start some amount of gentrification.

    So the local authorities/government house the poor and assist the high end PAYE workers along with the wealthy in moving to the city while the low to middle range PAYE workers must make do with where they live and if they want to drive to the city for work, leisure or shopping they'll have to park in the suburbs so the city folk can rear their families.

    I find this a bit snobbish to be honest.


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    #346
    zulutango
    Registered Users Posts: 3,903 ✭✭✭zulutango


    phog wrote: »
    So the local authorities/government house the poor and assist the high end PAYE workers along with the wealthy in moving to the city while the low to middle range PAYE workers must make do with where they live and if they want to drive to the city for work, leisure or shopping they'll have to park in the suburbs so the city folk can rear their families.

    I find this a bit snobbish to be honest.

    Why can't low and middle range PAYE workers live in the city too? They're not precluded from applying for the Living Cities rebate.

    Whether there should be on-street parking in the city centre is a different issue. In my opinion it should be phased out and other parking solutions provided. Multi-stories are a far more preferable. But really we have to move towards a situation where we're not as car dependent as we currently are.


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    #347
    phog
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    zulutango wrote: »
    Why can't low and middle range PAYE workers live in the city too? They're not precluded from applying for the Living Cities rebate.

    Read your own posts, it's you who excluded them. Twice.


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    #348
    Figerty
    Registered Users Posts: 2,209 ✭✭✭Figerty


    zulutango wrote: »
    Why can't low and middle range PAYE workers live in the city too? They're not precluded from applying for the Living Cities rebate.

    Whether there should be on-street parking in the city centre is a different issue. In my opinion it should be phased out and other parking solutions provided. Multi-stories are a far more preferable. But really we have to move towards a situation where we're not as car dependent as we currently are.

    This state is in place since 1922.. it hasn't happened yet, it's not going to happen. It's not car dependancy,, it's the freedom that cars give. Public transport will never beat that. Change the parking rules and people move.
    I lived in Limerick City for 10 years; public transport isn't ever going to beat private transport.


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    #349
    MrJones2013
    Registered Users Posts: 279 ✭✭MrJones2013


    Just saw this on the Healy Partners website

    http://www.healypartners.com/#!THE-CRESCENT-An-Urban-Space/bzoyw/5774e3f30cf2bcae6e43e317

    Not a bad idea in my opinion.....any thoughts folks?!


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    #350
    phog
    Registered Users Posts: 24,067 ✭✭✭✭phog


    MrJones2013 wrote: »
    Just saw this on the Healy Partners website

    http://www.healypartners.com/#!THE-CRESCENT-An-Urban-Space/bzoyw/5774e3f30cf2bcae6e43e317

    Not a bad idea in my opinion.....any thoughts folks?!

    Sounds like a good proposal.


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    #351
    zulutango
    Registered Users Posts: 3,903 ✭✭✭zulutango


    It's much less intrusive than what's planned but there's really no need to build anything there. It would also severely impede boating traffic and it could well get washed away in winter! That's a treacherous part of the river.


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    #352
    MrJones2013
    Registered Users Posts: 279 ✭✭MrJones2013


    zulutango wrote: »
    It's much less intrusive than what's planned but there's really no need to build anything there. It would also severely impede boating traffic and it could well get washed away in winter! That's a treacherous part of the river.

    The link is for The Crescent at the top of O'Connell Street, not their other information relating to the footbridge :)


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    #353
    Mc Love
    Registered Users Posts: 14,015 ✭✭✭✭Mc Love


    MrJones2013 wrote: »
    The link is for The Crescent at the top of O'Connell Street, not their other information relating to the footbridge :)

    Yeah its decent enough


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    #354
    zulutango
    Registered Users Posts: 3,903 ✭✭✭zulutango


    MrJones2013 wrote: »
    The link is for The Crescent at the top of O'Connell Street, not their other information relating to the footbridge :)

    ha!! Assumed it was the footbridge alternative which has been doing the rounds in the last 24 hours!


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    #355
    zulutango
    Registered Users Posts: 3,903 ✭✭✭zulutango


    As for the Crescent proposal, I think it's ok ...

    The text says that the traffic would be routed on the southern side, but the images show it on the northern side. Not sure which is best. Depends on whether evening or morning sunshine for the more pedestrianised space is the priority.

    Should any traffic be going up here at all though? Limerick needs a total re-working of its traffic system and in that context many of the Georgian streets could be revamped such that traffic doesn't go through them at all (with no impact on traffic flows). Of all the Georgian spaces, the Crescent is the one, above all, that shouldn't have traffic on it.

    The bollards are probably removeable, but the latest in urban design wisdom is that removing the segregation between traffic and people creates safer spaces, especially in populated city areas. This is counter-intuitive but there are plenty of excellent examples of where this is being done successfully.

    I don't see where the paving material is described, but the colour suggests that it is quite inappropriate for the Crescent. Looks like the stone used on Little Catherine Street and Thomas Street?

    It's a fairly unambitious proposal, but kudos to Healy's for throwing it out there.


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    #356
    Cookiemunster
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 11,937 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cookiemunster


    zulutango wrote: »

    Should any traffic be going up here at all though? Limerick needs a total re-working of its traffic system and in that context many of the Georgian streets could be revamped such that traffic doesn't go through them at all (with no impact on traffic flows). Of all the Georgian spaces, the Crescent is the one, above all, that shouldn't have traffic on it.

    With no impact on traffic flow? That isn't possible. O'Connell St - The Crescent - O'Connell Ave is one of the main traffic routes in the city. If you take out the middle section you create huge issues elsewhere on the network.


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    #357
    zulutango
    Registered Users Posts: 3,903 ✭✭✭zulutango


    Cookiemunster wrote: »
    With no impact on traffic flow? That isn't possible. O'Connell St - The Crescent - O'Connell Ave is one of the main traffic routes in the city. If you take out the middle section you create huge issues elsewhere on the network.

    Are you a traffic engineer?


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    #358
    jonski
    Registered Users Posts: 6,391 ✭✭✭jonski


    zulutango wrote: »

    Should any traffic be going up here at all though? Limerick needs a total re-working of its traffic system and in that context many of the Georgian streets could be revamped such that traffic doesn't go through them at all (with no impact on traffic flows). Of all the Georgian spaces, the Crescent is the one, above all, that shouldn't have traffic on it.

    zulutango wrote: »
    Are you a traffic engineer?

    Are you ?

    From reading the paragraph that Cookiemonster wrote it seems to me he is asking how could you reduce traffic flow and not have it impact somewhere else .


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    #359
    Cookiemunster
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 11,937 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cookiemunster


    zulutango wrote: »
    Are you a traffic engineer?

    Are you? Or are you just deflecting from an obvious issue with your idea?


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    #360
    wigsa100
    Registered Users Posts: 213 ✭✭wigsa100


    I would welcome any initiative to revamp the city centre, particularly the Georgian quarter. however I would insist that the Council ensure that any revamp of the Georgian quarter would be in keeping with the historical significance of the area, as it's one hell of a beautiful area when you step back and admire it for what it is. It would be a shame to see it bastardised in an effort to be contemporary.

    In other news, I saw today that Café Crust down by the boardwalk has closed down. It's always very sad to see a small business closing in the city but particularly in a lovely part of town that has buckets of potential.


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    panda100
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,551 ✭✭✭panda100


    wigsa100 wrote:
    In other news, I saw today that Café Crust down by the boardwalk has closed down. It's always very sad to see a small business closing in the city but particularly in a lovely part of town that has buckets of potential.


    Wouldn't be so sure that it's closed. I, and others on here, often think it's closed down only to find it opened the next day.


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