Select Stores Oil Truck Parked On St Patricks Square

double d

Hi all, the Select Stores oil truck parked on beautiful St Patricks Square makes a good central landmark for visitors!! What heritage town in Ireland allows such an eye sore to park there. The locals spend hours planting, weeding ect creating a beautiful area for all only to have this truck imposed on them. The truck owner lives in Dalkey only dosnt park the truck on street where he lives. Select Stores also has a loading bay outside store to accommodate the truck and a storage shed which the truck fits perfect.
The Square has the most beautiful 100yr old cottages, whats the first thing visitors notice?? THE OIL TRUCK!!!:mad:

Lapin

Have you been holding all that angst and ire in for the last 8 years double d?

You should get your blood pressure seen to.


It is a picturesque little square in fairness and I can see why the residents would be píssed off but I doubt your suggestion that the owner parks in the loading bay is a runner.

Looks to me like an issue that should be sorted out locally amongst a few relevant parties rather than thrashed out on the world wide web.

Least of all on an unrelated out of date thread.

I hear the sound of padlocks in the near distance.

coylemj

No mention of double-yellow lines or lack of road tax. No, he can't park there because Dalkey is a 'heritage' town. By 'heritage' I think you mean NIMBY enclave.

double d

We have contacted all local relevant parties to try encourage the owner to relocate the truck to no avail. So what if Im letting off a little steam, the blood pressure feels a lot better now thank you!!

double d

Look up 'Flickr' photo sharing and type St Patricks Square Dalkey.

Cookie_Monster

double d wrote: »

We have contacted all local relevant parties to try encourage the owner to relocate the truck to no avail. So what if Im letting off a little steam, the blood pressure feels a lot better now thank you!!

so what's wrong with it being parked there, or is it simply "bringing down the tone of the area" :rolleyes:



what about that ugly mirca? Or the uncut grass? Or the awful orange coloured house?

It never ceases to amaze how up their own hole most Dalkey people seem to be, I'm glad I don't live there any more. There's nothing special about it and it's not that nice a town, get over it.

The Idyll Race

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

so what's wrong with it being parked there, or is it simply "bringing down the tone of the area" :rolleyes:



what about that ugly mirca? Or the uncut grass? Or the awful orange coloured house?

It never ceases to amaze how up their own hole most Dalkey people seem to be, I'm glad I don't live there any more. There's nothing special about it and it's not that nice a town, get over it.

I see nothing wrong with it either. It isn't blocking anything else, perhaps its a case of "horrors of horrors - there are still working class people in Dalkey - how very dare they!"

schemingbohemia

I'd have more objections to the religious statue in the middle of the square.

I live in Dalkey and have never had a tourist ask me to direct them to this square, not exactly a tourist attraction even though it is very nice. I don't think it detracts from the view at all.

Victor

Threads split.

OP do not drag up 8 year old threads so you can post a different topic.

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Victor

Ask the council to implement resident's only parking or ask for a 3 tonne limit to be imposed (check if this is already in place).

bmaxi

I might have some sympathy if Dalkey had to endure the types of eyesore the people of Tallaght, Clondalin or Finglas etc. have had imposed on their doorsteps but there's little danger of that.

patrickbrophy18

To the OP,

You appear to have way too much time on your hands if a vehicle is bothering you that much. The vehicle isn't all that big to begin with and certainly a good deal smaller than the houses. On that note, I wouldn't exactly refer to those houses as being the "most beautiful". While they are quaint, let's not go nuts. In fact, one of the houses in St. Patrick's Square has brown metallic boarding on the doors and windows. I'm surprised that you didn't mention that too. Either-way, you don't hear me complaining.

Cookie_Monster

ah sure what the hell:

OP it's a commercial vehicle and as such cannot be used to commute home from work. Since I highly doubt there's an oil terminal in the square I would presume that it is in fact not his place of work and therefore he's driving it for non commercial purposes and breaching the conditions of his commercial tax (and possibly insurance).

So you can basically report him for tax fraud, it's a petty reason, but if you want rid of it...

adamgtowers

It's very sad to see someone attacking a local businessman and community man who might I say always donates and supports the upkeep of the St.Patricks Square in question. He also keeps an eye on all the residents of this square with fuel throughout the cold winter months and also does errands for the local residents of this square. I think the DOUBLE D should get a petition together and see who signs it, WHO? This is a very sad person with nothing better to do with their time than attack a lovely man and gentleman to this local community. Get a life! Dalkey Resident

The Idyll Race

adamgtowers wrote: »

It's very sad to see someone attacking a local businessman and community man who might I say always donates and supports the upkeep of the St.Patricks Square in question. He also keeps an eye on all the residents of this square with fuel throughout the cold winter months and also does errands for the local residents of this square. I think the DOUBLE D should get a petition together and see who signs it, WHO? This is a very sad person with nothing better to do with their time than attack a lovely man and gentleman to this local community. Get a life! Dalkey Resident

I used to go out with a particular girl and one of the reasons I don't now was her utter snobbery when it came to commercial vehicles in residential areas. We are all entitled to work for a living and making a place look like Trumpton because for some bizarre reason a commercial vehicle in a residential area "offends" them is nonsense.

Oscar Bravo

Double d,get out and cut the grass which hasnt been cut in about 2 months and stop whinging about a small oil truck. the man is trying to make a living.

double d

Can someone remind me what country we live in?? I was under the illusion we lived in a democratic country where it is acceptable to voice an opinion without bombardment. I have no personal ill feelings towards the owner of this truck, I would just like the truck relocated!!
There are 12 residents on the Square with whom own cars.There are 13 spaces to facilitate residents/shoppers along with car owners from the Avenue. If the truck is parked elsewhere ie where owner resides, the Square looks nicer and it frees a space for residents/visitors whom are continually under pressure avoiding parking tickets.

bmaxi

double d wrote: »

Can someone remind me what country we live in?? I was under the illusion we lived in a democratic country where it is acceptable to voice an opinion without bombardment. I have no personal ill feelings towards the owner of this truck, I would just like the truck relocated!!
There are 12 residents on the Square with whom own cars.There are 13 spaces to facilitate residents/shoppers along with car owners from the Avenue. If the truck is parked elsewhere ie where owner resides, the Square looks nicer and it frees a space for residents/visitors whom are continually under pressure avoiding parking tickets.

Whatever made you think this was a democratic country? That aside, people are also entitled to disagree with you.
If you really feel strongly about it and I suppose we can't put ourselves in your position, there may be local by-laws regarding parking of large vehicles in a residential area, talk to your local Gardaí and Council.

double d

I appreciate the truck location is a small matter in comparison to what some people have to contend with in their lives.
We have contacted the Council, Dalkey business group, Garda, Tidy Town, Dalkey Business Group, Heritage Ireland to no avail in relocating the truck.
This is not a personal attack on the truck owner, just a local resident/car owner letting off a little steam.. not burning our national flag!!

bmaxi

double d wrote: »

I appreciate the truck location is a small matter in comparison to what some people have to contend with in their lives.
We have contacted the Council, Dalkey business group, Garda, Tidy Town, Dalkey Business Group, Heritage Ireland to no avail in relocating the truck.
This is not a personal attack on the truck owner, just a local resident/car owner letting off a little steam.. not burning our national flag!!

When you say "to no avail" do you mean these bodies were unable to help or just unwilling? I'd imagine the terms of the owner's road haulage licence would include having a suitable overnight parking area for the truck. What is deemed suitable overnight parking is moot but I would imagine it wouldn't include a residential street. Is the driver of the truck also the owner? If not, contact the owner.
I'm surprised the Gardai could do nothing as, small though the truck is in general terms, it would still constitute a hazard to traffic as it restricts visibility.
You really need to weigh up whether taking a heavy handed attitude to this is worth generating bad feeling among your neighbours, some of whom appear to be posting here.

The Idyll Race

double d wrote: »

Can someone remind me what country we live in?? I was under the illusion we lived in a democratic country where it is acceptable to voice an opinion without bombardment. I have no personal ill feelings towards the owner of this truck, I would just like the truck relocated!!
There are 12 residents on the Square with whom own cars.There are 13 spaces to facilitate residents/shoppers along with car owners from the Avenue. If the truck is parked elsewhere ie where owner resides, the Square looks nicer and it frees a space for residents/visitors whom are continually under pressure avoiding parking tickets.

Well man up then and ask him directly to move it instead of going behind his back.

double d

The gent is the owner of the truck. I haven't made myself anonymous in writing to Council or depts re. truck location. The gent is totally aware who is representing the residents/car owners. I haven't approached the owner in person re.matter as I found him pleasant yet unhelpful on two occasions previous when asked to help with a ill neighbour.
I dont know if the departments 'cant' or 'wont' get involved. Its a mystery!!
At the end of the day, If I owned an oil truck I would park it where I worked or lived and not impose it on local residents!! Its common courtesy
I mentioned to Council the lack of visibility, pot hole enhancements, oil spill one evening. The Council sent guys out to manually fill holes prior to arrival of inspector engineer, surprise surprise they reported the road was of satisfactory condition.
Common courtesy...two little words....massive impact!!

bmaxi

http://www.transport.ie/upload/general/11648-1__RHOL_APPLICATION_FORM_AUGUST_2012-2.PDF

Refer to section 4F

patrickbrophy18

double d wrote: »

Can someone remind me what country we live in??

A country in which NIMBY's such as yourself frequently complain about petty matters such as this one! The term NIMBY is an acronym for (Not In My Back Yard) and it's the abundance of this mentality within the coastal towns of the Dun Laoghaire Rathdown borough that's killing business. Aside from the odd festival (such as The Dalkey Lobster Festival gone by), Dalkey is a very boring place and has become stale because of people like yourself.

double d wrote: »

I appreciate the truck location is a small matter in comparison to what some people have to contend with in their lives.
We have contacted the Council, Dalkey business group, Garda, Tidy Town, Dalkey Business Group, Heritage Ireland to no avail in relocating the truck.
This is not a personal attack on the truck owner, just a local resident/car owner letting off a little steam.. not burning our national flag!!

One of the prominent members (perhaps, president) of the Dalkey Business Group (which you listed twice) is Mr. McCabe himself and will likely tell you to "F&*# Off" (and rightly so).

I will also +1 coylemj in that many people in Dalkey pull out the heritage card when anything is even slightly out of the ordinary and it's really pathetic.

double d wrote: »

I was under the illusion we lived in a democratic country where it is acceptable to voice an opinion without bombardment. I have no personal ill feelings towards the owner of this truck, I would just like the truck relocated!!
There are 12 residents on the Square with whom own cars.There are 13 spaces to facilitate residents/shoppers along with car owners from the Avenue. If the truck is parked elsewhere ie where owner resides, the Square looks nicer and it frees a space for residents/visitors whom are continually under pressure avoiding parking tickets.

Again, it's a very small truck and isn't all that noticeable. Also, you complain about the parking of a little oil truck and defend the parking of cars which reeks of hypocrisy.

double d

Thank you, interesting reading!! The residents have tried for years prior to my arrival to encourage gent to relocate his truck with no success. When I came to Dalkey first I reckon only 4 people on the Square owned cars, no yellow lines or ticket wardens, no meters in church car park. Parking wasnt an issue. Its like 'big brother' here now!! The ticket wardens even put tickets on abandoned cars when we had the heavy snow. Its all about revenue!!
The residents were defeated in their many efforts way before my arrival based on the visual impact the truck had.
Interesting thing happened today.. the Council guys were here filling up some holes with a spade, guess what?? they were given instructions only to fill some not all!! The madness prevails eh!!:rolleyes:

The_Wrecker

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

so what's wrong with it being parked there, or is it simply "bringing down the tone of the area" :rolleyes:



what about that ugly mirca? Or the uncut grass? Or the awful orange coloured house?

It never ceases to amaze how up their own hole most Dalkey people seem to be, I'm glad I don't live there any more. There's nothing special about it and it's not that nice a town, get over it.

From the fuss and the topic title i was expecting to see a 25 tonner! Similar size as a Couriers transit van. Next.

zagmund

I can see both sides of the issue, but . . . is there not some health & safety issue with an oil tanker stored close to houses like this ? I know in normal operating conditions they are near houses, on the road, etc . . . but I would have thought this might have different storage/stabling requirements than (say) your basic white van.

Someone may well come on and say "this is heavy marine oil and would require a temperature of 1,000 degrees before it would even come near combusting", but maybe it's lighter fuel and less unlikely to cause issues than a heavy fuel.

z

double d

I would like to inform Mr Patrick Brophy that I do not require an explanation of the term NIMBY, Im well aware of the meaning thank you.
Re. someone from Mc Cabes family possibly holding the position of President of the Dalkey Business Group....SO What!!! What may I ask has that got to do with the matter under question. If this is the case, is it supposed to restrict the residents from seeking an alternative parking arrangement for the truck. I would like to think us Irish have progressed from fearing reprisal.
:eek:

Victor

patrickbrophy18 wrote: »

A country in which NIMBY's such as yourself

...

Dalkey is a very boring place and has become stale because of people like yourself.

You might ease off on the personalisations

Moderator

patrickbrophy18

Victor wrote: »

You might ease off on the personalisations

Moderator

Sorry Moderator. However, when I hear or see (in this case) someone complaining about petty things like a small truck parked in a square which in turn makes Dalkey and indeed Ireland look pathetic, I do feel the need for constructive criticism. It's bad enough that Dalkey has a reputation for snobbery without having posts hammering this home. This is because I hate seeing countries like ours being misrepresented (both publicly and online). The Father Ted mentality should be kept in fictitious comedy and not real life situations like business. Otherwise, it's embarrassing. Would anyone else agree?

zagmund

patrickbrophy18 wrote: »

Sorry Moderator. However, when I hear or see (in this case) someone complaining about petty things like a small truck parked in a square which in turn makes Dalkey and indeed Ireland look pathetic, I do feel the need for constructive criticism. It's bad enough that Dalkey has a reputation for snobbery without having posts hammering this home. This is because I hate seeing countries like ours being misrepresented (both publicly and online). The Father Ted mentality should be kept in fictitious comedy and not real life situations like business. Otherwise, it's embarrassing. Would anyone else agree?

I think you're being overly personal in this issue. The OP has a gripe with a specific situation, they have come on here asking for advice and have been on the receiving end of a heap of abuse.

And since you highlighted the word constructive - I'm struggling to see where you were constructive.

z

double d

Its nice to see that you have calmed down a little. Yes the matter is a small itch on a big ass, but it dosnt go away till its scratched!!
Why are you so concerned about peoples perception of residents of Dalkey??
I am' me' where ever I live, where I live dosnt dictate the kind of person I am. Yes of course this matter is trivia in comparison to what some people have to live with. The 'truck' issue started off as a small matter until I hit many closed doors trying to resolve it directly with departments. Ive become curious Why??
If replying, have a hot choc first maybe, try be calm x:)

AltAccount

double d wrote: »

Thank you, interesting reading!! The residents have tried for years prior to my arrival to encourage gent to relocate his truck with no success. When I came to Dalkey first I reckon only 4 people on the Square owned cars, no yellow lines or ticket wardens, no meters in church car park. Parking wasnt an issue. Its like 'big brother' here now!! The ticket wardens even put tickets on abandoned cars when we had the heavy snow. Its all about revenue!!
The residents were defeated in their many efforts way before my arrival based on the visual impact the truck had.
Interesting thing happened today.. the Council guys were here filling up some holes with a spade, guess what?? they were given instructions only to fill some not all!! The madness prevails eh!!:rolleyes:

Trucks, potholes, big brother?

I don't even know what you're complaining about any more!

double d

Thank you zagmund, the response has at times got a little hot eh!!
:rolleyes:

mikemac1

patrickbrophy18 wrote: »

I do feel the need for constructive criticism.

The grass looks realy rough, sort that out

Victor

Knock it off everyone

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patrickbrophy18

zagmund wrote: »

And since you highlighted the word constructive - I'm struggling to see where you were constructive.

McCabes Oil provides a service to the local community which in turn feeds the economy. The truck bearing the companies name is very small and I don't see how a different set of rules should apply to them. Given that such services fuel the economy (no pun intended), I find any objection to their presence (be it on wheels or otherwise) as being counter-productive. As I am standing up for McCabes oil in the line of needless objection, I am negating any counter-productive motions hence, constructive. According to maths, a negative by a negative is a positive. You dig?:D

monkeypants

adamgtowers wrote: »

always donates and supports the upkeep of the St.Patricks Square in question. He also keeps an eye on all the residents of this square with fuel throughout the cold winter months and also does errands for the local residents of this square.

Is this true and are many people working with the OP to get this truck moved?

double d

I agree the gent provides a great service to the community and long may it continue. If you owned a truck and aware there is discontent from the local residents re. your parking arrangements, why would you continue when alternative parking is available to you??
The gent has a loading bay, a shed and a home in Dalkey he can park outside of. We dont have options. No space, risk getting ticket, drive round for ages looking. Its not rocket science!!:P

double d

Hi Monkeypants, the residents are tired trying to relocate this truck.This issue has gone on for years way before I came here. Initially the complaints were because it was an eye soar which should remain at business premises. We now have the additional problem of limited parking with no alternative space resulting in parking tickets.:rolleyes:

AltAccount

But it's a public road with paid parking, surely if he pays for a ticket, he has a right to park there?

double d

The truck has a residential parking permit from the Council along with the residents of the Square. The Council wont allow the local doctor a space or parking permit outside his surgery for quick emergency exits to attend the ill yet the oil truck has a permit!! It just gets more curious by the moment;)

AltAccount

Does the doctor live in the surgery?

double d

No he lives elsewhere. He made an arrangement with a family down from the surgery to park in their drive way. He is often seen running down road, sometimes drenched and trying to back out quickly out unto a busy road opposite a school. Wouldnt life be far less stressful for him if his car had a permit and it would reduce the time of arrival in an emergency.:p

flyingsnail

Or he could reverse in so he doesn’t have to back out:p

AltAccount

double d wrote: »

No he lives elsewhere. He made an arrangement with a family down from the surgery to park in their drive way. He is often seen running down road, sometimes drenched and trying to back out quickly out unto a busy road opposite a school. Wouldnt life be far less stressful for him if his car had a permit and it would reduce the time of arrival in an emergency.:p

So, why would you expect the Council to grant him a residential parking permit if he's not a resident?

Does the truck driver have a residence there?

double d

Dont mean to be rude but I reckon you are missing the point. Its not about how the doc parks, its the Councils decision to issue a parking permit for a truck yet not for outside the doc surgery enabling him max time to get to an emergency.:cool:

Cookie_Monster

What relevance exactly does this entire thing have with C&T anyway?
can it not be shunted over to Dublin County South

OP- if he has a permit as you say, then he's fully entitled to park there and it's a public road anyway, not your own little fiefdom, just deal with it.

I wonder if Cormie would do us and favour and park his giant van there for the day if we asked him?

AltAccount

double d wrote: »

Dont mean to be rude but I reckon you are missing the point. Its not about how the doc parks, its the Councils decision to issue a parking permit for a truck yet not for outside the doc surgery enabling him max time to get to an emergency.:cool:

Fair enough.

Anyway, does the truck driver have a residence there?

double d

No the truck owner lives elsewhere in Dalkey. He never parks it on the road where he lives, Possibly because the residents would have enough influence to have it removed within minutes.
I agree the doc isnt eligible for resident permit but surely there should be 'doctor on call' system allowing him to park outside surgery.:eek:

AltAccount

double d wrote: »

No the truck owner lives elsewhere in Dalkey. He never parks it on the road where he lives, Possibly because the residents would have enough influence to have it removed within minutes.
I agree the doc isnt eligible for resident permit but surely there should be 'doctor on call' system allowing him to park outside surgery.:eek:

Can you enquire of the Council as to why a non-resident has a residential parking permit?