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Bullet Hell - Where to start?
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03-09-2012 8:07pm#1
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TechnoFreek wrote: »What are the basic techniques and strategies for the genre?
The best advice I can give you is to concentrate on your ship and not what you are shooting, especially for boss battles. It's better to stay alive than to deal out damage so look at your ship and and move carefully through the gaps in the patterns. Learn where the ships hitbox is as well. Once you know what pixel is the hitbox it makes it a lot easier. Once you get better at dodging bullets you can start showing off and working on your combo's but starting off staying alive is your priority.
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@TechnoFreek: Also give ESP Ra. De. on Mame a go. Excellent game. Actually that site, http://www.world-of-arcades.net/, has some great info on shmups.
Retr0's advice is sound. In my limited experience of bullet hells, staying alive is actually fairly easy. Only gets difficult when you want to score big. Except for Ibara, that's just bullsh1t hard.
At the risk of sounding like Sparks, Raiden is much harder and better than all of the above mentioned games.
Edit: If you have the means, try and play using a decent arcade stick. Not a pad or keyboard.0 -
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TechnoFreek wrote: »Stupid question but generally speaking does every bullet dole out damage or is there some tolerance in there?
Depends on the game. Most games, it's one hit and you die. However you have to remember that the hit box on your ship is usually only a few pixels in the center, same for bullets only the center is a hit box. So when you watch pro's playing it looks like they are getting hit by the bullets but it's only when the exact center of your ship and the bullet line up that you will take a hit. A lot of bullet hell games start off a lot easier than they look, it's part of the appeal, you look and feel like a pro when in fact you're only winging it
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johnny_ultimate wrote: »****ing hitboxes.
(I don't recall exactly when hitboxes became an arcade & retro meme, but somewhere along the line they did)
It was my fault. Can't remember what beers it was but I think I was drunk and playing really **** at a game and was using the crappy hitboxes excuse
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Retr0gamer wrote: »A lot of bullet hell games start off a lot easier than they look, it's part of the appeal, you look and feel like a pro when in fact you're only winging it
Thank you!!!
This is exactly why I am not a fan of more modern Shmups. That feeling of 'wow, I'm a master at this after just two goes!' doesn't sit right. They are designed to make you look and feel better at the genre than you really are.
Saying that, some parts later in games and the insane modes do require a lot of skill, but I'd still be more impressed with someone being able to 1cc a more traditional shmup like Raiden or R Type.0 -
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TechnoFreek wrote: »Andrew, actually have Raiden arcade PCB. Just waiting on a cab to stick it in!
Excellent stuff sir. Don't forget you'll need to rotate the monitor and you also need -5v on the jamma edge to get audio (only the first Raiden needs this). If your cab doesn't provide the -5v then you'll need a "Negatron -5v pass though adapter" to place between your Jamma harness and the board - FrancoB over on AO makes them, link.
Here's a pic of it in action with my Raiden board:
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Great little yolk that! I'll have to pick one up sometime.
Will also have to pick up a Raiden board to go with it!
Remember when I missed that buy it now Raiden PCB on ebay for about 35-40 euro Andrew76? It was for sale one minute and then it was instantly gone. Gutted so I was!
I sure do remember that. Jumped on it. 0 -
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Not sure what that explains but it does once again confirm that the Japanese are off their fcuking nut. Fact0 -
Excellent stuff sir. Don't forget you'll need to rotate the monitor and you also need -5v on the jamma edge to get audio (only the first Raiden needs this). If your cab doesn't provide the -5v then you'll need a "Negatron -5v pass though adapter" to place between your Jamma harness and the board - FrancoB over on AO makes them, link.
Here's a pic of it in action with my Raiden board:
Interesting. I dropped Franco a mail and he said he didn't think that raiden PCB needed - 5v! Obviously you have a different experience!0 -
TechnoFreek wrote: »Interesting. I dropped Franco a mail and he said he didn't think that raiden PCB needed - 5v! Obviously you have a different experience!
Think he said the same thing to me. But my ears and owners manual said otherwise. There's a pdf of the service manual half way down this Klov page, page 3 shows the jamma requirements with a note underneath saying you especially need -5v.
Sure the safest thing to do is wait until you get sorted with a cab, then see if it's needed or not. Only way to be sure. 0 -
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