How will Breaking Bad end? [** Season 5 Spoilers **]

Mr E

So now that we're in the home stretch (just 12 short months to see how it all ends!), has anyone got any theories?

I still don't know how the 52nd birthday in the diner will come into play yet - the shotgun, the ammo, the bag, the fake name, Jim Beaver...

There are still enough loose ends, but I have a feeling that it will come down to Walter vs. Jesse in the end (and the Lily of the Valley).

Handsome Bob

I get the feeling that Walt will quickly find that he can't just leave the business, he has responsibilities now to both dealers nationally and internationally, and they won't take kindly to Walt leaving them high and dry. Todd won't be able to cut it without Walt's direction.

I think that again, his family will be put in danger......Jesse will die in some amazing showing of self sacrifice for Walt's family without ever knowing that it was Walt who poisoned Brock.

Hank won't act on Walt as he won't have the evidence to back up his suspicions, but I believe Walt will come clean to Hank in an effort to protect his family. But he will tell Walt to get the fcuk out of their lives in return (he won't bring Walt in as he'll be sinking his own career by doing so).

But Walt will have no intention of living the rest of his life without his family and will instead choose to go out in a blaze of glory by avenging Jesse's death, and by taking as many bodies as he can with him. I get the feeling that Hank will get wind of Walt's plans and will probably go off in pursuit, and I can see Walt dying in his arms.

dave1982

Jane's death will have to come to light.

MaxSteele

I think the flash forward in New Hampshire from the first scene in episode one is the beginning of the series finale episode next year.

Either Hank and the DEA are hot on Walt's trail, Walt needs to put distance between himself and his family for they're safety or the Madrigal company's executives have sent a hit squad after him due to a fallout over their deal goes sour.

The M60 would either suggest Walt is preparing to dramatically take down his pursuers or tends to go down in an epic firefight.

Mr.Saturn

I keep thinking back to the teddy bear in Season 2, and the speculation that surrounded that during its flashforwards. For that reason, I'm not quite convinced that Walt is going Rambo with the AK, and more that it's merely a cog in a greater plan, more fitting with Walt's savvy, and his tendency to go leftfield when it comes to sticky situations.

I also imagine that if Jesse does find out about Jane, Brock and Mike, he'll be somewhat conflicted. It seems straight-forward, but Walt is also the guy who saved his life, at the threat of his own, when Jesse went to shoot the two-gangbangers at near the end of Season 3.

Besides, if Jesse is reluctant to have Todd killed off, gauging by his reaction to the suggestion from a couple weeks back, I doubt he'll be that straight-forward in his plan for Mr.White. I mean, Todd shot a kid in cold-blood. Walter, at least, had some reasoning with Brock, and it was (from what I've read) a non-fatal amount of Lily of the Valley. I don't think Jane's death will play all that great a factor, after Jesse unconsciously absolves Walt when he apologizes, by saying something along the lines of "besides, we would've been dead within a week".

I predict Saul getting his 'disappear' guy to make Walt a ghost for a portion of S5P2, 'til some threat makes him stick his head up. I can also see Walt making strides towards redemption, however futile. I reckon Todd's demise will be in there somewhere, 'til Walt inevitably dies, not from a gun, but from the cancer that launched it all, with his legacy in tatters. A bit of a tragic hero.

Grimebox

Mr E wrote: »

So now that we're in the home stretch (just 12 short months to see how it all ends!), has anyone got any theories?

I still don't know how the 52nd birthday in the diner will come into play yet - the shotgun, the ammo, the bag, the fake name, Jim Beaver...

There are still enough loose ends, but I have a feeling that it will come down to Walter vs. Jesse in the end (and the Lily of the Valley).

One thing... that was no shotgun. Its gonna get a whole lot messier. It was one of these, an M60



I actually thought it was SPAS shotgun at first myself

MaxSteele

MaxSteele wrote: »

I think the flash forward in New Hampshire from the first scene in episode one is the beginning of the series finale episode next year.

Either Hank and the DEA are hot on Walt's trail, Walt needs to put distance between himself and his family for they're safety or the Madrigal company's executives have sent a hit squad after him due to a fallout over their deal goes sour.

The M60 would either suggest Walt is preparing to dramatically take down his pursuers or tends to go down in an epic firefight.

2nd time I've read in this forum today that he was in New Hampshire in the flash forward. He wasn't he was at least very close to ABQ, his ID was from New Hampshire. I know it's not the easiest thing to take in but in a show when small details always come back to have significance you have to pay attention to these things.

Watched the opening scene of the season again there and there was an interesting dynamic with the free meal. Walt has been fairly scabby with money in this season and refusing a free meal at least at first may bear some significance though he didn't really make much of an effort to hide the fact it was his "birthday" (on the id at least)

I think Walt has gotten himself in too deep, well that bit is probably obvious.

However in the flash forward we see Walt move away from the Heisenberg look. He's gone rough looking, beyond just trying to stay under the radar. So maybe he's moving away from the Heisenberg persona too. He's also coughing in the bathroom and immediately popping pills afterwards, he's not well. Likely to be the cancer has returned, and I'll hazard a guess it's terminal.

Everyone involved with the show has been emphasizing the "breaking bad" of Walt and I think they might be leading us on a bit of a ruse with this. While he has gone bad, really bad, I think his final act, knowing he's going to die anyway, will be to do some good and go down in a hail of bullets saving those who matter to him from whatever it is that requires an M60 and a shít load of bullets.

Roar

Walt ricins Hank.

Or himself.

My name is URL

I think Hank will end up killing himself. There was a couple of scenes over the last few episodes which suggested that he may have some suicidal tendencies. When they were searching Mike's house he seemed very uncomfortable with the TV show that Mike was watching at the time. I duuno, just wild speculation on my part but I think that there have been a few hints throughout the series that Hank is a man that may do such a thing under circumstances such as the one he finds himself in now.

Dave!

Handsome Bob wrote: »

I get the feeling that Walt will quickly find that he can't just leave the business, he has responsibilities now to both dealers nationally and internationally, and they won't take kindly to Walt leaving them high and dry. Todd won't be able to cut it without Walt's direction.

I think that again, his family will be put in danger......Jesse will die in some amazing showing of self sacrifice for Walt's family without ever knowing that it was Walt who poisoned Brock.

Hank won't act on Walt as he won't have the evidence to back up his suspicions, but I believe Walt will come clean to Hank in an effort to protect his family. But he will tell Walt to get the fcuk out of their lives in return (he won't bring Walt in as he'll be sinking his own career by doing so).

But Walt will have no intention of living the rest of his life without his family and will instead choose to go out in a blaze of glory by avenging Jesse's death, and by taking as many bodies as he can with him. I get the feeling that Hank will get wind of Walt's plans and will probably go off in pursuit, and I can see Walt dying in his arms.

This is exactly what will happen.

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Turtyturd

I think the first episode when the series resumes is going to be a clip show of how Walt has been one step ahead of Hank this whole time.:D

Honestly I dunno how its going to end, and I like it like that.

I don't think the next series will pick straight back up after this one, one of the first scenes could be Hank thinking back through all of the coincidences and excuses of Walt. I can see the possibility of the book not being from Gayle as they have a tendency to introduce elements which don't play out how you expect (who thought the Teddy, and bodies in front of Walt's house were going to be from a plane crash?), but whether it is or not Hank will be onto Walt, he won't be able to prove it beyond doubt nor will he let it drop. He also won't let anyone else pursue Walt, he will have to do it himself and this will interfere with his role as ASAC, maybe leading to him getting demoted. I think there will be another dinner scene similar at Walt's with Hank and Marie with Hank digging at Walt, in a reversal of roles from the party where Walt got the news he was in remission, Walt will then use the Ricin on Hank. In the time in takes the Ricin to take effect Hank will find the evidence he needs to take Walt down and will go to do it personally, this will start out Hank bullying Walt but when the Ricin takes effect it will end with Walt in full Heisenberg mode standing over Hank telling him about how much smarter than him he was and how his drug money paid for Hank's rehab.

Sometime during this Walt will convince Skylar that with Hank after him it would be for the best if they up and disappear, reluctantly she will agree but just as they are about to go she will get news of Hank's death and this will cause her to tell the police then take the kids and disappear using Saul's guy. Walt will go into a rage and take it out on Saul, but with the police on his tail he will need Saul's guy so he can disappear. While he is waiting for the guy to show up there will be a knock on the door when he opens it Jesse will be standing there teary eyed pointing a gun at Walt because Saul will have filled him in on everything Walt has done. He will be about to kill Walt, but Walt tells him his cancer is back and he hasn't got long left so Jesse will leave him to die.

That leaves the flash forward which I have not got a clue about.

Mr.Saturn

Turtyturd wrote: »

He will be about to kill Walt, but Walt tells him his cancer is back and he hasn't got long left so Jesse will leave him to die.

I think that's an excellent point, and it would work somewhat towards redeeming Walt. He finally takes responsibility, and in one last stab at manipulating Jesse, will convince him that being shot down is nowhere near as apt a punishment as dying slowly and in pain, as a fugitive, alone.

The only thing I worry about is Jesse subsequently breaking bad once more, threatening Walt's family. I mean, this arc of the whole series was as much about Jesse getting good as it was Walt breaking bad. If Walt is showing traces of remorse, I can see Jesse lapsing into an altogether shadier character to counteract it.

Veronica P

Just W - O - W. Loving this spoiler

Mousewar

The series is finely balanced. On the one hand Walt seems to have called a halt to his demise and there is a slim chance of redemption. On the other hand, Hank is going to come after him, potentially reawakening the beast.

In the opening scene of series 5 showing him on his 52nd birthday he looked quite thoughtful and mournful. He didn't have the arrogance and powerlust that has characterised his recent awful actions. For that reason I believe he may be at the stage of trying to redeem himself rather than more bloodlust. Maybe it will still result in violence but at least it might be a kind of noble violance, such as defending his family against the rival drug gang or something.

Either way, I'm still desperately holding out for Walt not dying a total monster.

threein99

Imagine the last 5 mins of the last episode next year. . . . . Walt V Hank has tuned into a massive war, dead bodies line the pavement of their war, then bang we cut to a scene where Walt is in his chemistry class and has just awoken from a dream and the whole thing was just a dream :cool: How pissed off would you be ?

Funglegunk

threein99 wrote: »

Imagine the last 5 mins of the last episode next year. . . . . Walt V Hank has tuned into a massive war, dead bodies line the pavement of their war, then bang we cut to a scene where Walt is in his chemistry class and has just awoken from a dream and the whole thing was just a dream :cool: How pissed off would you be ?

I'd kill you and everyone else.

Turtyturd

threein99 wrote: »

Imagine the last 5 mins of the last episode next year. . . . . Walt V Hank has tuned into a massive war, dead bodies line the pavement of their war, then bang we cut to a scene where Walt is in his chemistry class and has just awoken from a dream and the whole thing was just a dream :cool: How pissed off would you be ?

The only show I can think of where that ending would have worked was Buffy, when they had the episode where she was in the mental institution.

Although for Breaking Bad, the show could have ended where Walt fell on the ground in the Car wash. :pac:

Turtyturd

Mousewar wrote: »

The series is finely balanced. On the one hand Walt seems to have called a halt to his demise and there is a slim chance of redemption. On the other hand, Hank is going to come after him, potentially reawakening the beast.

In the opening scene of series 5 showing him on his 52nd birthday he looked quite thoughtful and mournful. He didn't have the arrogance and powerlust that has characterised his recent awful actions. For that reason I believe he may be at the stage of trying to redeem himself rather than more bloodlust. Maybe it will still result in violence but at least it might be a kind of noble violance, such as defending his family against the rival drug gang or something.

Either way, I'm still desperately holding out for Walt not dying a total monster.

That scene has been playing on my mind since the end of the final episode, great credit to the show, not so much for my productivity levels.

Walt does seem to be under some kind of stress or pressure in it. Also agree about the gun, it's another thing which I think is throwing a lot of people, that's not the kind of gun you are going to use if you are banging down doors looking for revenge....more the kind of gun you would use if you were defending something. It also appears in the 'All hail the King' promo poster which was released before the start of the season where Walt has all his product and money stacked up, although it is probably not connected.

Mocha Joe

Walt pointed out to the crew he's doing business with that Jesse is as good a cook as he is. I think when Walt says he's out. They kidnap Jesse and force him to cook. Walt comes back to save Jesse with that big bad-ass machine gun.

Mousewar

Mocha Joe wrote: »

Walt pointed out to the crew he's doing business with that Jesse is as good a cook as he is. I think when Walt says he's out. They kidnap Jesse and force him to cook. Walt comes back to save Jesse with that big bad-ass machine gun.

Awesome. Frankly I like the idea of anything where Walt actually does something for the good of Jesse.

In Jesse lies his redemption.

SteelyDanJalapeno

Walts gone too far for redemption imo, it wouldn't be good for the show.

Mousewar

Redemption is always good and no one ever goes too far. I'd like to see him come back.

...imo

murpho999

I think Walt being the master manipulator will end up getting Jesse or Skyler to kill Hank.

Either way can't wait.

This show is totally unpredictable and the writers can do a lot in 8 episodes.

After all who predicted how Walt would have Fring killed in Season 4?

Mousewar

murpho999 wrote: »

After all who predicted how Walt would have Fring killed in Season 4?

Me! I said he'd use an exploding OAP in a wheelchair to get the job done. It was the only thing that made sense!

threein99

Turtyturd wrote: »

The only show I can think of where that ending would have worked was Buffy, when they had the episode where she was in the mental institution.

Although for Breaking Bad, the show could have ended where Walt fell on the ground in the Car wash. :pac:

Imagine the amount of pissed off people if they that

murpho999

Mousewar wrote: »

Me! I said he'd use an exploding OAP in a wheelchair to get the job done. It was the only thing that made sense!

Of course, after Walt poisoned a child to get Jesse on side!

Mr.Crinklewood

Skylar dies, as a result Holly spends more time with Hank and Marie.

Marie therefore gets all maternal, only to be told she cannot have children. As Walter has a breakdown as a result of Skylar`s death / Hank chasing him, Marie offers to adopt Holly.

Walter tells Hank that Marie can have Holly if he stops looking into his dealings.

OR.

Hank does does not bother chasing Walter, and quits his job.

He then teams up with Badger and Skinny Pete to form a rock band with Walter as their manager.

Da Shins Kelly

I'm still very unsure about what will happen to every character. I don't see Marie or Skylar dying for some reason. I do think something will happen to Walt Jnr though. I've heard some people mentioning a car crash. That does seem plausible, but with how everything and everyone is connected in this show, I think it could be an accident caused by another character.

I don't think Hank will arrest Walt for the sake of his career and reputation. It just wouldn't look good and nobody would believe that he didn't know.

I think and would like to see Jesse come out well. I really think he's the moral compass of the show - he genuinely struggles with the ethical side of the business and hasn't really been right since killing Gale. He's the one who actually shows a real depth of emotion concerning morals and the difference between right and wrong. For this reason, I don't see him killing Walt. He doesn't have it in him. Someone else is going to take down Walt. I'm thinking Todd - he's an absolute loose cannon and a complete sociopath.

I think there'll be some horrible accident with that ricin. It's been shown on-screen way too many times for it not to be a significant thing. Wouldn't be surprised if Walt does himself in with it either if it turns out he has cancer or is on the run or something. I don't see him shooting it out with the cops.

murpho999

I also think there was something in Skyler saying to Walt Jr that he was very good with his sister.

Think that could mean he ends up looking after her full time so perhaps both Walt and Skyler die or go to jail.

wandatowell

I dont want it to end

Trafford Lad

A good interview with Vince Gilligan from Rolling Stone

http://www.rollingstone.com/movies/news/q-a-breaking-bad-creator-vince-gilligan-goes-deep-on-the-final-season-20120906

PirateShampoo

With Walt finally poisoning every mofo with the Ricin he's been carrying around since session 1 via Schrader Ale.

"It's all an illusion, it's nothing but air..."

Walt: "Who messes with the blowfish Jesse...?"
Jesse: "Nobody..."
Walt: "You're damn right"...

Walt: "Now, say my name.."
Declan: "You... You're Heisenberg..."
Walt: "You're goddamn right"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dy_DASt7hDs

ricero

i wouldn't be surprised if there is a cartel/organisation that was backing Gus Fring and since Walt openly told Declan and his crew that he killed Fring and not the cartel then this cartel/organisation might come back to take out walt, jesse and his family. i just think this because of the season opener of Walt in the diner buying the gun

Turtyturd

Do people think the last scene between Walt and Jesse where they reminisce about their cooking, and Walt gives him the money was genuine on Walt's behalf?

Mousewar

Turtyturd wrote: »

Do people think the last scene between Walt and Jesse where they reminisce about their cooking, and Walt gives him the money was genuine on Walt's behalf?

Yes I see no other reason for him going there and giving him the money other than some remorse. It may be shortlived - we'll see.

Turtyturd

Mousewar wrote: »

Turtyturd wrote: »

Do people think the last scene between Walt and Jesse where they reminisce about their cooking, and Walt gives him the money was genuine on Walt's behalf?

Yes I see no other reason for him going there and giving him the money other than some remorse. It may be shortlived - we'll see.

Yeah I think it's most likely genuine too but part of me is wondering is it Walt's way of tying up another loose end? In season 2 he was very reluctant to give Jesse money, albeit mainly because of Jane but I think Walt knows Jesse will go the self destructive route with large amounts of money especially given the baggage he carries.

gnfnrhead

I think that was Walt's way of pretty much getting rid of Jesse, but also keeping him on side in case he needed his help down the line.

Manning3000

With all the guns in the flash forward, i maintain he is on the run either cartel or DEA and is planning on going out like Scareface, all guns blazing, this is also backed up by the fact he is sick again,

so in short Hank tells him disappear he is disappeared by Sauls guy and the cartel come after him he kills a whole lot of them but then gets killed with about 100 bullets

Mousewar

Manning3000 wrote: »

With all the guns in the flash forward, i maintain he is on the run either cartel or DEA and is planning on going out like Scareface, all guns blazing, this is also backed up by the fact he is sick again,

so in short Hank tells him disappear he is disappeared by Sauls guy and the cartel come after him he kills a whole lot of them but then gets killed with about 100 bullets

Personally, I don't buy that simply because his demeanor is so downbeat in that episode. He has none of the fire and arrogance that usually accompanies his premeditated crimes. He looks almost mournful and afraid, as if he resorting to violence as a last resort not to defend himself but someone else.

irish son

If the writers want Walt to be the villain in the end then I think it has to come down to Walt and Jesse facing off. If it was Skyler or Hank or anyone else then I think people will still be kind of rooting for Walt because people feel sorry for Jesse for all the things Walt has done to him.

So I think Jesse will kill Walt with maybe the help of Skyler, Hank will come on the scene from chasing after Walt, tell the 2 of them to leave and he will say he Killed Walt. I dont where the diner scene comes into it at all though.

AnonoBoy

Am I hearing any votes for "it's all just a daydream of Walt's and he'll snap out of it still sitting at the doctor's desk in epsiode one being told he's got cancer"?

:pac:

None?

Oh dear - you're all going to be very disappointed I fear!

Turtyturd

Turtyturd wrote: »

Yeah I think it's most likely genuine too but part of me is wondering is it Walt's way of tying up another loose end? In season 2 he was very reluctant to give Jesse money, albeit mainly because of Jane but I think Walt knows Jesse will go the self destructive route with large amounts of money especially given the baggage he carries.

I didn't actually think of that, Jesse is back on the drugs (was he off them after Jane? Can't remember) and they might lead to harder drug use again.

evolving_doors

AnonoBoy wrote: »

Am I hearing any votes for "it's all just a daydream of Walt's and he'll snap out of it still sitting at the doctor's desk in epsiode one being told he's got cancer"?

:pac:

None?

Oh dear - you're all going to be very disappointed I fear!

Hmm or it could be like Lost where they were dead all along......

ricero

Armelodie wrote: »

Hmm or it could be like Lost where they were dead all along......

they weren't all dead in lost

evolving_doors

ricero wrote: »

Armelodie wrote: »

Hmm or it could be like Lost where they were dead all along......

they weren't all dead in lost

Yes, and walt really did have a fugal episode...

AnonoBoy

ricero wrote: »

they weren't all dead in lost

They were for the last season weren't they?

Liamalone

AnonoBoy wrote: »

They were for the last season weren't they?

Dead all along just

Vurnon San Benito

Skylar planted the book in the toilet. I'm almost sure of it :pac:

I can only imagine how good this series is going to be considering the amount of loose-ends that need tying together.
Cannot wait for it, best TV show I've ever watched.

The Bishop!

Hank's a clever guy. He's sitting on the toilet there and it'll take him all of about 30 seconds to fit the pieces together.

Walt's knowledge of chemistry, the connection to Jesse, being missing around the time of the Tuco shootout, the second cellphone, the money appearing for the carwash, the new cars etc.

Does he shop his own brother-in-law and probably kiss his flourishing career goodbye in one fell swoop?

Apparently not. Walt is still at large, is buying M60's from strangers, and has gone to and returned from New Hampshire where he presumably now resides.

One thing is kind of predictable. That M60 is going to see some action. Someone somewhere will be saying hello to Walts little friend at some stage. Once he's read the manual that is.