Do you need license to drive ATV?

arleitiss

Hey, do you need a license to drive ATV on places like beaches. I mean not public roads. If so what category would it be?

sean1141

You dont need a licence to drive anything in a private place. I dont know if a beach would be classed as a private place. A farm would be a private place for example as the public have no right to enter it..

arleitiss

sean1141 wrote: »

You dont need a licence to drive anything in a private place. I dont know if a beach would be classed as a private place. A farm would be a private place for example as the public have no right to enter it..

I know in many countries you are allowed to drive ATV on beach where cars can't go but only people walk, not sure about Ireland as it's laws are quite "unusual"

Doom

Beaches belong to the county councils, check their by-laws

miller50841

If you get land owners permission no problem but public beaches, parks and forrests no

arleitiss

I saw quite a few people driving on mini bikes while life guards were there, they didn't seem to have problem with it?
Guess best way is to go and ask life guards?

ResearchWill

arleitiss wrote: »

I saw quite a few people driving on mini bikes while life guards were there, they didn't seem to have problem with it?
Guess best way is to go and ask life guards?

Yes ask the life guards the experts on road trafic law, if they give you permission then it's a public place

“‘public place’ means—

(a) any public road, and

(b) any street, road or other place to which the public have access with vehicles whether as of right or by permission and whether subject to or free of charge;”;

If it is classed as a public place then you will need, licence, tax, nct and insurance.

Mr Benevolent

arleitiss wrote: »

I saw quite a few people driving on mini bikes while life guards were there, they didn't seem to have problem with it?
Guess best way is to go and ask life guards?

Life guards aren't there to give legal advice. If it's a public place you will need tax and insurance at minimum. I've seen way too many idiots speeding around in those things on crowded beaches.

TL;DR: If it's a public place and you don't have tax or insurance it's illegal.

arleitiss

ah **** sake, no offense to anyone but I am starting to hate laws in Ireland more and more. Everything is done against people **** sake, literally everything. In other countries there are at least restrictions for vehicles on beaches, so like big and fast bikes can't go but small engine bikes are allowed on specific side of beach, in Ireland no such thing.

ResearchWill

arleitiss wrote: »

ah **** sake, no offense to anyone but I am starting to hate laws in Ireland more and more. Everything is done against people **** sake, literally everything. In other countries there are at least restrictions for vehicles on beaches, so like big and fast bikes can't go but small engine bikes are allowed on specific side of beach, in Ireland no such thing.

A beach is a place where children and dogs enjoy some sunshine (when we have it) why should a person be able to ride an ATV which can go at speed, without training, insurance or even any idea that the vehicle is safe.

There is nothing stoping a person driving as much as they want on private property.

Hal1

arleitiss wrote: »

ah **** sake, no offense to anyone but I am starting to hate laws in Ireland more and more. Everything is done against people **** sake, literally everything. In other countries there are at least restrictions for vehicles on beaches, so like big and fast bikes can't go but small engine bikes are allowed on specific side of beach, in Ireland no such thing.

Welcome to Ireland, the home of the persecuted.

arleitiss

ResearchWill wrote: »

A beach is a place where children and dogs enjoy some sunshine (when we have it) why should a person be able to ride an ATV which can go at speed, without training, insurance or even any idea that the vehicle is safe.

There is nothing stoping a person driving as much as they want on private property.

Yeah I am just saying that in other countries there are at least some limits and maybe specific time and rules where people are allowed to drive, and those places don't' have any accidents either because there are rules and people follow them, therefore no accidents with injury happen, while in Ireland government just says: no and thats it, that's a dead end nothing else, got a bike and want to drive on beach? pretty much these laws say: "nah go **** yourself, buy a huge land to drive it and drive it there".

ResearchWill

arleitiss wrote: »

Yeah I am just saying that in other countries there are at least some limits and maybe specific time and rules where people are allowed to drive, and those places don't' have any accidents either because there are rules and people follow them, therefore no accidents with injury happen, while in Ireland government just says: no and thats it, that's a dead end nothing else, got a bike and want to drive on beach? pretty much these laws say: "nah go **** yourself, buy a huge land to drive it and drive it there".

Can you link to any source that shows any country that allows people drive ATV in public places, without licence or insurance. Any country that normally requires both licence and insurance for normal driving.

arleitiss

ResearchWill wrote: »

Can you link to any source that shows any country that allows people drive ATV in public places, without licence or insurance. Any country that normally requires both licence and insurance for normal driving.

Well in country I am from Ukraine - we are allowed to drive on beach, there are no laws relating to that, there are some regions that restricted this but those regions are like very populated and are tourist attractions, on other beaches even kids ride around on quads and I've seen people there driving a lot.

ResearchWill

arleitiss wrote: »

Well in country I am from Ukraine - we are allowed to drive on beach, there are no laws relating to that, there are some regions that restricted this but those regions are like very populated and are tourist attractions, on other beaches even kids ride around on quads and I've seen people there driving a lot.

As has been pointed out if the beach is not a public place then you can drive on it, if it s a public place then you also can drive on it but you require the ATV to be road legal.

No one is saying you can't drive on a beach unless the owner refuses to allow you. All that is said is depended is it public place or private.

arleitiss

ResearchWill wrote: »

As has been pointed out if the beach is not a public place then you can drive on it, if it s a public place then you also can drive on it but you require the ATV to be road legal.

No one is saying you can't drive on a beach unless the owner refuses to allow you. All that is said is depended is it public place or private.

oh well guess the easiest way will be to just get insured and taxed and get a license. What type of license would that be? A1? I can't imagine tax and insurance being too high on them?

miller50841

But then the vehicle has to be registered and road legal lights indicators plates helmet and new rules L plate on your reflective jacket.

You still wont be allowed to use in public fields or beaches or parks only beaches would be the ones you are allowed to drive onto but only in that section.

coylemj

arleitiss wrote: »

Well in country I am from Ukraine - we are allowed to drive on beach, there are no laws relating to that, there are some regions that restricted this but those regions are like very populated and are tourist attractions, on other beaches even kids ride around on quads and I've seen people there driving a lot.

Would you like to tell us what happens if someone with dependants is knocked down and killed or permanently disabled by one of these uninsured drivers?

But maybe you'll stick to your earlier statement that there are never accidents.

arleitiss

coylemj wrote: »

Would you like to tell us what happens if someone with dependants is knocked down and killed or permanently disabled by one of these uninsured drivers?

But maybe you'll stick to your earlier statement that there are never accidents.

Usually the driver would be arrested and probably jailed for a few years. Insurance in Ukraine is optional.

ResearchWill

arleitiss wrote: »

Usually the driver would be arrested and probably jailed for a few years. Insurance in Ukraine is optional.

When I am given the option of believing information from an person on the Internet or a respect organisation I usually go with the second option.

http://www.aaireland.ie/AA/Summer-driving/Ukraine.aspx

arleitiss

ResearchWill wrote: »

When I am given the option of believing information from an person on the Internet or a respect organisation I usually go with the second option.

http://www.aaireland.ie/AA/Summer-driving/Ukraine.aspx

Well at least 90% of my family and friends in Ukraine drives without insurance whatsoever, nor police nor anyone else cares.

Guy:Incognito

arleitiss wrote: »

Well at least 90% of my family and friends in Ukraine drives without insurance whatsoever, nor police nor anyone else cares.

So when one of them get hit and badly injured, then cant work, will the fact that the guy that did it might go to jail help feed their kids? Or do you just let the person die if it costs to much to have them treated?

chiefwiggum

arleitiss wrote: »

Well at least 90% of my family and friends in Ukraine drives without insurance whatsoever, nor police nor anyone else cares.

well you live in ireland now and we do care about insurance

ResearchWill

arleitiss wrote: »

Well at least 90% of my family and friends in Ukraine drives without insurance whatsoever, nor police nor anyone else cares.

So that explains why they end up in jail, for having no insurance.

arleitiss

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

So when one of them get hit and badly injured, then cant work, will the fact that the guy that did it might go to jail help feed their kids? Or do you just let the person die if it costs to much to have them treated?

Well one of my relatives didn't have insurance, at night time he was driving on a road and drunk guy ran onto a road, he hit him and he died. It was proven that it was drunk guys fault, so my relative didn't get jailed or fined. All he did was paid around 10'000 euro to that guys family as just compensation. But there was no official or legal fines against him. In most cases of accidents I heard in Ukraine, it's the fault of pedestrians.

chiefwiggum

arleitiss wrote: »

Well one of my relatives didn't have insurance, at night time he was driving on a road and drunk guy ran onto a road, he hit him and he died. It was proven that it was drunk guys fault, so my relative didn't get jailed or fined. All he did was paid around 10'000 euro to that guys family as just compensation. But there was no official or legal fines against him. In most cases of accidents I heard in Ukraine, it's the fault of pedestrians.

are you for real mate...it doesnt matter what happens anywhere else...you live in our country...obey our laws...end of discussion

ResearchWill

arleitiss wrote: »

Well one of my relatives didn't have insurance, at night time he was driving on a road and drunk guy ran onto a road, he hit him and he died. It was proven that it was drunk guys fault, so my relative didn't get jailed or fined. All he did was paid around 10'000 euro to that guys family as just compensation. But there was no official or legal fines against him. In most cases of accidents I heard in Ukraine, it's the fault of pedestrians.

An answer you gave earlier,

"Usually the driver would be arrested and probably jailed for a few years. Insurance in Ukraine is optional"

so it seems your answers contradict each other.

arleitiss

ResearchWill wrote: »

An answer you gave earlier,

"Usually the driver would be arrested and probably jailed for a few years. Insurance in Ukraine is optional"

so it seems your answers contradict each other.

Yes if it was drivers fault though.

arleitiss

chiefwiggum wrote: »

are you for real mate...it doesnt matter what happens anywhere else...you live in our country...obey our laws...end of discussion

I don't argue and am not saying that Ireland should have same laws. I asked about ATV license, wrote little rant how unfair laws in Ireland are. Then people started the famous What if discussion, so I just reply of what I heard and what I've seen.

galwaytt

ResearchWill wrote: »

arleitiss wrote: »

ah **** sake, no offense to anyone but I am starting to hate laws in Ireland more and more. Everything is done against people **** sake, literally everything. In other countries there are at least restrictions for vehicles on beaches, so like big and fast bikes can't go but small engine bikes are allowed on specific side of beach, in Ireland no such thing.

A beach is a place where children and dogs enjoy some sunshine (when we have it) why should a person be able to ride an ATV which can go at speed, without training, insurance or even any idea that the vehicle is safe.

There is nothing stoping a person driving as much as they want on private property.

Well I drove my Porsche on the beach at Bettystown , and the council have a guy to take your money to do so, no issue there.....

ResearchWill

galwaytt wrote: »

Well I drove my Porsche on the beach at Bettystown , and the council have a guy to take your money to do so, no issue there.....

Yup, and I assume, you Porsche is taxed, insured, nct'd and you have a licence. If you read my posts I never said you can't do it, I said you need to be road legal.

BTW, you drove a porche on the beach, hope you gave the whole car a very good clean afterwards.

I used to have a 2002 911 C4 conv. they are a beautiful car.

coylemj

galwaytt wrote: »

Well I drove my Porsche on the beach at Bettystown , and the council have a guy to take your money to do so, no issue there.....

Which makes it a public place as the public have access 'with vehicles' so insurance would be required.

Not saying that that has any particular application to you as I'm sure you have insurance, just saying that if it's open to the public to drive vehicles, you need to have a driving licence and insurance. Whether there is a charge or access is free is irrelevant.

Jimbob 83

€10,000 compensation to the knocked down guys family under the table even though he was at fault, i think i would rather be insured tbh

coylemj

arleitiss wrote: »

Well at least 90% of my family and friends in Ukraine drives without insurance whatsoever, nor police nor anyone else cares.

arleitiss wrote: »

That's it really. I am from Ukraine originally and I know in Ukraine people can pretty much pass NCT (called bit different) by small "premium" cash to mechanics, I wonder is there same thing in Ireland?

OP, I recognise that you personally aren't responsible for the system in your home country but I wouldn't like to take my chances driving in a country where getting your car through a road worthiness test depends on how much cash you have in your pocket and third party insurance is 'optional'.

arleitiss

coylemj wrote: »

OP, I recognise that you personally aren't responsible for the system in your home country but I wouldn't like to take my chances driving in a country where getting your car through a road worthiness test depends on how much cash you have in your pocket and third party insurance is 'optional'.

I know that, I am not admiring it either, everyone knows laws in Ukraine are quite "unusual" but as I said above. I just asked question about atv license, wrote little rant how unfair it is then people went with What if questions

goz83

It is next to impossible to insure an ATV in Ireland unless you have a farm. Trust me, I tried every insurer and got nowhere. Insurers won't touch em.

You can't use them on a beach unless it's a private beach. You can't use them on private land without permission. You can't really use them at all here, because Ireland is so slow, it's often backward.

ResearchWill

goz83 wrote: »

It is next to impossible to insure an ATV in Ireland unless you have a farm. Trust me, I tried every insurer and got nowhere. Insurers won't touch em.

You can't use them on a beach unless it's a private beach. You can't use them on private land without permission. You can't really use them at all here, because Ireland is so slow, it's often backward.

Maybe they won't touch then because they believe the risks are too high.

http://blog.oregonlive.com/oregonianatv/2007/05/deaths_waiting_to_happen_why_a.html

After reading that I would not buy one.

arleitiss

oh well guess discussion about atv is over then, I am moving to London in three years (to continue studying and get masters degree, if anyone wonders why) hope in UK they are allowed?

ResearchWill

arleitiss wrote: »

oh well guess discussion about atv is over then, I am moving to London in three years (to continue studying and get masters degree, if anyone wonders why) hope in UK they are allowed?

I am guessing the UK would be even stricter than here,

http://www.ukdrivers.com/Quad%20Licence.asp

coylemj

OP, we'll keep an eye out for the headline in the Dail Mail - 'Immigrant nutter quad driver terrorises kids on Dorest beach'

arleitiss

coylemj wrote: »

OP, we'll keep an eye out for the headline in the Dail Mail - 'Immigrant nutter quad driver terrorises kids on Dorest beach'

Perhaps there is no need to make a silly assumptions and make offensive statements which aren't true?

kupus

He is not making an offensive statement: if you read the daily mail almost everyday there is a story on some immigrant doing this and that against the local population and they make a huge stupid headline which reads like what coyle wrote.
Hope that clears it up for you.
If you're not Irish you would not have known the context in what he wrote as being tongue in cheek.

arleitiss

kupus wrote: »

He is not making an offensive statement: if you read the daily mail almost everyday there is a story on some immigrant doing this and that against the local population and they make a huge stupid headline which reads like what coyle wrote.
Hope that clears it up for you.
If you're not Irish you would not have known the context in what he wrote as being tongue in cheek.

He just assumes I am like every other 'immigrant" absolutely same and that I will break law in future. Perhaps that's why I asked about this thing first instead of going and driving actually? Now I know and that wont happen with me.

coylemj

arleitiss wrote: »

He just assumes I am like every other 'immigrant" absolutely same and that I will break law in future. Perhaps that's why I asked about this thing first instead of going and driving actually? Now I know and that wont happen with me.

OP, sorry if you were offended.

My post was 'tongue in cheek' and referred to the Daily Mail's habit of highlighting immigrants in a bad light whenever possible, exactly as outlined by kupus above.

arleitiss

coylemj wrote: »

OP, sorry if you were offended.

My post was 'tongue in cheek' and referred to the Daily Mail's habit of highlighting immigrants in a bad light whenever possible, exactly as outlined by kupus above.

Perhaps because most of us from other countries especially like Ukraine are used to our un-strict laws and possible buy out ways from prosecution so they do whatever they want to thinking they will just buy their way out of that.

Henry Ford III

arleitiss wrote: »

He just assumes I am like every other 'immigrant" absolutely same and that I will break law in future. Perhaps that's why I asked about this thing first instead of going and driving actually? Now I know and that wont happen with me.

Correct me if I'm wrong arleitiss, and this has nothing to do with your nationality incidentally, but didn't you say here recently that you habitually drive solo on a learner permit?

arleitiss

Henry Ford III wrote: »

Correct me if I'm wrong arleitiss, and this has nothing to do with your nationality incidentally, but didn't you say here recently that you habitually drive solo on a learner permit?

Yes but you gotta admit, there are probably more Irish young 17 year old guys racing on learner permit than immigrants? On this we are all equal no matter what nationality, on this fault in my opinion it's the age and not the nationality.
I personally saw two young irish lads racing a small Seat through red light and doing burnout at traffic light last night.

galwaytt

ResearchWill wrote: »

Yup, and I assume, you Porsche is taxed, insured, nct'd and you have a licence. If you read my posts I never said you can't do it, I said you need to be road legal.

BTW, you drove a porche on the beach, hope you gave the whole car a very good clean afterwards.

I used to have a 2002 911 C4 conv. they are a beautiful car.

It was taxed, NCT'd, insured, etc - but that is not my point - I wasn't asked, or checked - in any case, it's not in the remit of the council guy on the beach. The only person who can inspect, determine, any of those, or has the power to ask you to produce - other than 'display', is a member of AGS.

coylemj wrote: »

... Whether there is a charge or access is free is irrelevant.

the only point I'm making is that there is access in the first place - I'm not enquiring of the price of it, if any.

Henry Ford III

arleitiss wrote: »

Yes but you gotta admit, there are probably more Irish young 17 year old guys racing on learner permit than immigrants? On this we are all equal no matter what nationality, on this fault in my opinion it's the age and not the nationality.
I personally saw two young irish lads racing a small Seat through red light and doing burnout at traffic light last night.

It's a moot point really.

It's a very weak argument to say "I'm wrong, but there a plenty of others worse than me".

Our man in Havana

This is no different to the farmers who think it is ok to nip to the shops on their quads for milk and bread without any insurance, tax or number plates.

coylemj

Our man in Havana wrote: »

This is no different to the farmers who think it is ok to nip to the shops on their quads for milk and bread without any insurance, tax or number plates.

Disagree. While the situations may be the same in terms of illegality, the farmer lives in the locality, the guy who turns up on a beach in a quad is going to p1ss around the place with no regard for the families with young children who are trying to have a peaceful afternoon by the sea.