Parking, parent child and disabled parking spaces misuse

Merch

This is something I have noticed lately, I guess it happens all along and has probably come up in a thread already.
I cant understand how someone would park in a disabled space or even park and sit in their car, while waiting on someone to return.
And I've also noticed as of late
People parking in parent child spaces, either have a car seat fitted but no child or no seat and no child.

Is it a lack of a conscience? pure selfishness. I've seen both of the above, I've had to drive further away in car parks,where it has been an inconvenience because there are people who have parked ahead of me and dont fit the requirements for parking in parent child spaces, ie no child present.

I know the first of the two of these is worse, the latter may only cause inconvenience and there are limited spaces for these purposes anyway, but I've seen this when there are spaces quite near or not so far as to be a problem for a person who has no disability or doesnt have a child with them.
Is there some level of laziness and selfishness that this kick in at? or am i just some kind of naive idiot for considering others

miller50841

This was brought up recently on boards so dont expect any good answers cause most said they park there cause they dont give a crap.

Decent people dont and find somewhere else but you wont win with these people sorry:rolleyes:

Red Alert

Personally I don't see the point of Parent and Child spaces - though I do obey them and keep out. What's wrong with teaching kids (and their idiot parents) how to safely behave when entering/exiting a vehicle in a car park?

Tropheus

If you have young children, you'll appreciate how difficult it can be to get them out of the car and into a shop/shopping centre. They are also purposely situated near the door to reduce the amount of young children walking through the car park.

Personally, I use them when the kids are in the car. I don't use them when they aren't. I observe that most cars parked in parent/child spaces don't even have child seats/boosters which means they shouldn't be there.

This has been done to death on boards. It's not far behind fog lights in terms of the veracity of arguments both for and against.

antodeco

Red Alert wrote: »

Personally I don't see the point of Parent and Child spaces - though I do obey them and keep out. What's wrong with teaching kids (and their idiot parents) how to safely behave when entering/exiting a vehicle in a car park?

It's not just that. It's trying to manoeuvre a car seat out of a car (if it's a clip into the buggy type)

Merch

miller50841 wrote: »

This was brought up recently on boards so dont expect any good answers cause most said they park there cause they dont give a crap.

Decent people dont and find somewhere else but you wont win with these people sorry:rolleyes:

So posters replied they do it as they admit they dont give a crap, at least they are truthful about it but its a poor attitude.
Parent child spaces are handy at times, but as there is only a limited amount, you invariably may have to park elsewhere but the extra space can be useful when getting buggies out, and edit car seat as mentioned by above poster.

As for anyone that said they dont give a crap about misusing a disabled space, I guess cnut is to good a word for them, I dont understand why that one is not enforced, I recal TV3 did something on it once where they shoved cameras in peoples faces as they got out of their cars.

Why am I suprised really, I'd like to say I belive karma will get them but I doubt it. guess im just ranting a bit as I've seen it a bit lately and I feel like saying something to these people (when they are near me, not chasing them down) like do you feel good about yourself punk, do you feel lucky! probably come back and the car'd be keyd

mik_da_man

antodeco wrote: »

It's not just that. It's trying to manoeuvre a car seat out of a car (if it's a clip into the buggy type)

Yep exactly.

In "normal" spaces it's a tight fit to get a child in seat out of a car without opening your car door fully.
In the Parent/child spaces you have more room so it's a whole lot easier and a lot less likely for you to knock you door into someone else's while trying to get the child out.

goz83

I have 3 kids aged from 1 to 9 and I don't have problems getting them from anywhere in the car park to the shopping centre. If there is a parent and child spot, i will use it, if only to prevent idiots from destroying my car with their car doors. I've seen so many ignorant fools damaging vehicles with swinging doors open, or putting shopping (or on one occasion, a child) on the bonnet of a car while loading up the shopping. I have yet to see this happen around the C & P parking spaces.

Disabled parking is something else entirely. I wouldn't park in a disabled spot. If parents control their kids, there is little, or no need for C & P spots imo.

osheen

As a parent with 2 kids now 5+ 6 i wouldn't dream of parking in those spaces.
They should only be used by parents with babies or toddlers using buggies.
As for people using disabled bays #%&&#
my dad is in a wheelchair and the amount of times we have brought him out and been unable to find an empty one .
People really dont give a sh1t.

gammygils

I think it's the absolute height of ignorance to park in a disabled space.
I would never do it.
Parent & child spaces? I don't see the point. We all managed without them
when our kids were small. Why now? It's BS

Merch

gammygils wrote: »

I think it's the absolute height of ignorance to park in a disabled space.
I would never do it.
Parent & child spaces? I don't see the point. We all managed without them
when our kids were small. Why now? It's BS

I think its because the baby stuff is more prevalent and bigger now, as are cars, so it seemed easier before as it was not as much a consideration.
My mother told me that at one point I was put in a moses basket and on the back seat, Im sure they secured it somehow but she cant recal, i dont even think there were seat belts in the back of the car even when we were older, let alone babies.

P&C is handy for the car seat, getting it in and out.
I havent noticed people drive in with kids, more people without
as for disabled spaces, its not my job to enforce and I'll probably get punched as thanks, but thats what security are for.

A relative that assisted an elderly person who was disabled, expressed as much dissatisfaction at people that had the blue badges for a disabled relative but still used the spaces when they weren't present as those that point blank parked in them regardless.
I dont go much but you see it all the time at liffey valley, people hoping out of cars from these spaces.

Anyway, thats me ranting and chiping away at my sanity, while these people dont care.

dredg

I won't park in a disabled spot.
P&C spots are a bit different. At 11pm at my local 24h tesco I'll park in one and think nothing of it - at that time they're all empty and it's highly unlikely that 10 cars with small kids onboard will suddenly arrive.

Senna

Its a common attitude (like many others picked up during the celtic tiger), people park in the closet space (might not even be a parking space) possible just so they wont have to walk far.
I regularly stand outside of a hotel were there is space cleared at the end of the red carpet for the bridal cars to pull into. The amount of people who pull in (90% women), jump out and say i'm just going in for a voucher/make a booking/etc etc, even when i say "the Bride and Groom will be here any minute", they still sigh, roll there eyes up to heaven and give out about having to parking 20 meters further away.

FearDark

I have never parked in a disabled space.

I completely ignore parent and child spaces.

Disabled spaces are chronically abused, lots of folks with the blue permit equipped car but without the disability or the passenger parking in them, that's as bad as someone in a car without a permit doing so imo.

dar83

RoverJames wrote: »

Disabled spaces are chronically abused, lots of folks with the blue permit equipped car but without the disability or the passenger parking in them, that's as bad as someone in a car without a permit doing so imo.

Probably worse to be honest, because you know deep down they have that sense of entitlement to it on their relatives behalf...

John_Rambo

FearDark wrote: »

I completely ignore parent and child spaces.

The Irish obsession with being parked close to the door amazes me.

I had to make a stop over in Tipparary a while ago, I got a coffee at a window and watched as twelve special needs and eight parent and baby spaces were parked on, the forty odd normal spaces remained unused. Every person that got out of the cars was overweight. A few weeks ago I was in the Jervis st. shopping centre car park in Dublin city, there was a GAA match on and the first two stories were jam packed with people reversing, beeping, inching through tiny gaps and squeezing in to parking spaces. The fourth floor was empty, and they were all getting the lift anyway!

Kenny Logins

It's getting worse. At my local Lidl you will always encounter at least one car parked right at the entrance, ignoring all of the designated spaces.

T-Maxx

It's something that those without kids don't understand.

And coupled to the mentality of "It can't be legally enforced..." you just can't win.

Anan1

T-Maxx wrote: »

It's something that those without kids don't understand.

And coupled to the mentality of "It can't be legally enforced..." you just can't win.

Meh, I don't have kids and I get it. It comes down to common decency, which is in turn largely a product of upbringing. Unfortunately, as was made clear in our recent spate of clamping threads, the country is awash with mé féiners.

Moonbeam

Red Alert wrote: »

Personally I don't see the point of Parent and Child spaces - though I do obey them and keep out. What's wrong with teaching kids (and their idiot parents) how to safely behave when entering/exiting a vehicle in a car park?

I can't see the point in having them so near the doors but I completely see the point of them.
alot of people in this country do not park properly so when you do there is often not a lot of room to open the back doors of your car,the parent and baby spaces often give more side space and are on an edge.
Also it is not so easy to take a 1,2 and 3 year old out of a car in the middle of a busy car park surrounded by other cars,it is a lot easier when the space is at the edge beside a path so you can put them or the buggy off the road.

It drives me mad seeing able bodied people taking disabled spaces and to a lesser extent people with no kids or that are not elderly taking parent and child spaces especially when there are plenty of other spaces.

Max Headroom

IMO having kids isnt a disability, it might be an inconvienience to the parents but not to me so i'll always park in these spaces if free....otoh parking in disabled spaces is a no-no...i'd never do it (hopefully) and what i find worse is the people who clearly have borrowed the blue card just so they dont have to walk too far and risk losing any of that fat ar$e they seem to have..or maybe thats their disability...:)

bobin fudge

I park as far away from the entrance purposely so im less likely to have some idiot parked next to me banging their door on to mine

djimi

I recently saw someone parked horizontally across three disabled spaces in a supermarket car park. Some people are just pure scum and there really is no point in further trying to rationalize their behaviour.

The P&C ones are simple; they are there to allow people to get a baby/small child out of the car more easily. Considering the alternative is for them to park beside me and swing their car door into mine, I am 100% in favour of them being there and being used properly.

Youre average supermarket carpark has 100+ spaces, less than 10 of which are designated for disabled or P&C parking. For the most part you will be less than a minute walk from the door of the supermarket no matter where you park in the car park. There is no excuse for using those few spaces if you dont need them.

Anan1

OSI wrote: »

There wouldn't be a need for P&C spaces if Irish car park owners weren't the stingiest feckers going and designed spaces for decent sized cars.

Ultimately it's the customer who pays for the car parking spaces. If people were prepared to pay more for bigger spaces then people would get them.

mamakitten

Its pure laziness and ignorance imo. I dont class P&C spaces in the same catagory as Disabled spaces , I have 3 kids myself and yes its handy when they are babies to have the bigger space close to the shops, but its not essential. Disabled spaces on the other hand are a different story :mad:. It drives me mad to see people with no badge parked there, they seem to think because they are 'only popping into the shop for a minute' that its ok, its not!! They just cant be bothered parking a bit further away and walking. The other situation I often see is someone parking in the disabled spot waiting for another person to finish shopping or whatever, lazy, lazy, lazy.

do yourself a favour and park as far away from the doors as possible. It saves time, it gives you and your kids exercise, they get to practice walking safely through a carpark and making them more aware, and finally, it will stop making you get annoyed by idiots. They are EVERYWHERE!!! :-)

THENORTHSIDER

Red Alert wrote: »

Personally I don't see the point of Parent and Child spaces - though I do obey them and keep out. What's wrong with teaching kids (and their idiot parents) how to safely behave when entering/exiting a vehicle in a car park?

There are many things in life that I wouldn't agree with but understand that they are there for a reason. The parent and child space is something when I can find one!! a huge help when bringing the children in and out of any shopping centre. Otherwise I would have to create a chain gang as my smallest two have no road sense as they are too young.

I am far from an idiot parent and am on a daily basis teaching my kids to safely behave in all aspects of their lives including watching out for people who don't have an interest in their well being.

djimi

Do people really think that the main purpose of a P&C space is so children dont have to walk further across the car park?

Sittingpretty

djimi wrote: »

Do people really think that the main purpose of a P&C space is so children dont have to walk further across the car park?

Clearly, yes.

This can only come from someone who has never struggled with car seat/squirming child/ buggy. In fact I'd probably have said the same myself prior to having children. They are very handy and very convenient and do make it a lot easier but as someone else above said, they are not essential unlike the disabled spaces and able bodied parents can manage without them if they are taken.

On the other hand however, parking in a disabled space for no matter how long is just sickeningly selfish.

I was parked having lunch one day opposite the disabled parking spaces and this cretin parked in a disabled space so close to the car next to him that when the lady (in a wheelchair) came back to her car she had to wait 15 mins IN THE RAIN until the arsehole came back out of the bank.

Able bodied people using disabled spaces is my pet hate. Those of you that do it, I hate you ALL :mad:

borderlinemeath

I parked in a retail park a couple of months back, parked in a normal space further down from the disabled and P&C spaces and walked up to where I wanted to get to. It was evening time but it was a thursday so all the shops were open til 9pm.

As I got near the entrance a seat ibiza pulled into the nearest disabled space to the door. Three lads got out, grabbed their bags out of the boot and were heading into the gym:mad:. I normally don't take it upon myself to give out to the fookers that park in wheelchair spaces but they just made my blood boil.

What they said next was worthy of a blonde joke. When I said that they were parked in a wheelchair spot one of them said:

"But it's after 6pm, what's the problem?":eek:

Felexicon

If you don't want people using the P&C spaces put them at the back of carparks and not right next to the door. Although I'm sure if this happened most parents would magically discover how to use normal sized spaces.
It's disgraceful that people be given special treatment because they have kids.

Anan1

Felexicon wrote: »

If you don't want people using the P&C spaces put them at the back of carparks and not right next to the door. Although I'm sure if this happened most parents would magically discover how to use normal sized spaces.
It's disgraceful that people be given special treatment because they have kids.

Not to be rude or anything, but what gives you the right to dictate to a car park owner how they can and cannot allocate their own spaces?

Felexicon

Anan1 wrote: »

Felexicon wrote: »

If you don't want people using the P&C spaces put them at the back of carparks and not right next to the door. Although I'm sure if this happened most parents would magically discover how to use normal sized spaces.
It's disgraceful that people be given special treatment because they have kids.

Not to be rude or anything, but what gives you the right to dictate to a car park owner how they can and cannot allocate their own spaces?

Not to be rude or anything but that's not what I'm doing at all. If you read my post you'll realise that the point I'm making is that I don't believe parents would complain about people using the spaces if they were at the back of the carparks as opposed to close to the main door as most are.
If I was dictating something there would have been a demand for action in my post.

Anan1

Felexicon wrote: »

Not to be rude or anything but that's not what I'm doing at all. If you read my post you'll realise that the point I'm making is that I don't believe parents would complain about people using the spaces if they were at the back of the carparks as opposed to close to the main door as most are.
If I was dictating something there would have been a demand for action in my post.

I take it from this that you accept the right of car park owners to put the parent & child spaces by the doors and to expect that people using their car park will abide by their wishes? If so then I misunderstood you and I apologise.

Felexicon

Anan1 wrote: »

I take it from this that you accept the right of car park owners to put the parent & child spaces by the doors and to expect that people using their car park will abide by their wishes? If so then I misunderstood you and I apologise.

Yes they have the right to do and expect what they want. But that doesn't mean I have to agree or abide by that.
I will happily park in a P&C space if it's the closest to the entrance. Why should I be discriminated against because I have not had any children. And don't spout the usual about space to het buggies and seats out because people are still able to do that in normal sized spaces. If it was up to me I'd turn all the P&C spaces into more handicapable parking spaces

shedweller

If it was raining, i offloaded the wife and kids while parked behind the offending car. When it wasn't raining i went and parked across two spaces, the way some enthusiasts do, and then i had loads of room to offload the kids. And i didnt give a crap because i had enough of pricks not abiding by rules and did the same myself.

Look at all the fecks i give!!

OldmanMondeo

Red Alert wrote: »

Personally I don't see the point of Parent and Child spaces - though I do obey them and keep out. What's wrong with teaching kids (and their idiot parents) how to safely behave when entering/exiting a vehicle in a car park?

Idiot parents? I have 3 kids and find these spaces very useful when trying to put seat belts on the kids in the back. Idiot parents would probably not bother. This avoids doors knocking off other parked cars.

Please think before tarring all parents with the same brush.

Anan1

Felexicon wrote: »

Yes they have the right to do and expect what they want. But that doesn't mean I have to agree or abide by that.
I will happily park in a P&C space if it's the closest to the entrance. Why should I be discriminated against because I have not had any children. And don't spout the usual about space to het buggies and seats out because people are still able to do that in normal sized spaces. If it was up to me I'd turn all the P&C spaces into more handicapable parking spaces

See here's the thing - it's not your car park. You don't have to agree with the rules, but you do have to abide by them if you want to park there. To do otherwise is selfish and ignorant. To then whinge about being discriminated against is straight up laughable.

Felexicon

Anan1 wrote: »

Felexicon wrote: »

Yes they have the right to do and expect what they want. But that doesn't mean I have to agree or abide by that.
I will happily park in a P&C space if it's the closest to the entrance. Why should I be discriminated against because I have not had any children. And don't spout the usual about space to het buggies and seats out because people are still able to do that in normal sized spaces. If it was up to me I'd turn all the P&C spaces into more handicapable parking spaces

See here's the thing - it's not your car park. You don't have to agree with the rules, but you do have to abide by them if you want to park there. To do otherwise is selfish and ignorant. To then whinge about being discriminated against is straight up laughable.

Well I think it's selfish for parents to teach there kids that they should get preferential treatment because of thier family status

Anan1

Felexicon wrote: »

Well I think it's selfish for parents to teach there kids that they should get preferential treatment because of thier family status

Maybe set up a car park of your own, with your own set of rules? In the meantime, if you don't like someone else's rules then don't park there.

Felexicon

OSI wrote: »

Get a dent in your door because a parent tried to squeeze out the child seat and ended up smacking the door and then tell me you don't want P&C parking.

What an idiotic argument. Since when does there have to be that trade off. If parents can't get the kids in/out of the car without banging of other cars then they'll have to leave the shopping until someone is available to mind the kids at home

jd

Felexicon wrote: »

Well I think it's selfish for parents to teach there kids that they should get preferential treatment because of thier family status

I think it's common sense that young kids should be let off as near to the entrances to the shops as possible - it seems a hell lot safer for one thing. The rest of us could probably do with the extra 50 metres or so walk. (BTW I'm mid 40s and childless)

Anan1

Felexicon wrote: »

What an idiotic argument. Since when does there have to be that trade off. If parents can't get the kids in/out of the car without banging of other cars then they'll have to leave the shopping until someone is available to mind the kids at home

No, they can use a car park with larger, parent & child spaces.

Felexicon

OSI wrote: »

Felexicon wrote: »

What an idiotic argument. Since when does there have to be that trade off. If parents can't get the kids in/out of the car without banging of other cars then they'll have to leave the shopping until someone is available to mind the kids at home

Yeah, and the disabled people should leave the shopping to the able bodied people too, right!

It's actually handicapable. And read my previous posts to see my view on this

Anan1

Felexicon wrote: »

It's actually handicapable. And read my previous posts to see my view on this

You still haven't explained why your views trump the views of the owner in their car park.

T-Maxx

Felexicon wrote: »

What an idiotic argument. Since when does there have to be that trade off. If parents can't get the kids in/out of the car without banging of other cars then they'll have to leave the shopping until someone is available to mind the kids at home

The pot calling the kettle black me thinks.:p

keithclancy

If you see someone braking the rules inform someone in the store, its all you can do.

Its not your car park.

John_Rambo

Felexicon wrote: »

I will happily park in a P&C space if it's the closest to the entrance. Why should I be discriminated against

Ah give us a break will you? It's obviously safer walk kids the shorter distance from the P&C parking space rather than through a busy car park, the spaces are bigger to allow for various modern child seats and restraints.

You are parking in the P&C place down to sheer laziness. That's laughable.

The fact that you think you are being discriminated against is even more laughable.

Grow up, get over it, the extra little walk will do you good.

chiefwiggum

believe it not and it annoys the bloody sh##e outta me...my mother who is 64 parks in the mother and child spaces because she says she has her daughter with who is ...wait for it... f##king 38....

thats what your up against

osheen

Felexicon wrote: »

If you don't want people using the P&C spaces put them at the back of carparks and not right next to the door. Although I'm sure if this happened most parents would magically discover how to use normal sized spaces.
It's disgraceful that people be given special treatment because they have kids.

Cop on . it's not about the distance to the entrance- the spaces are larger to facilitate taking child seats and buggies in and out of the car without damaging the car next to you