Abstaining from Grains

Chazz Michael Michaels

So, my friend convinced me of his new diet, where he does not eat wheat, oats, rice, etc, basically anything that comes from a grass. I decided to take it up this week, and I'm just wondering whether it is advisable.

Has anyone else tried it?

Yes, it's often referred to as a Paleo diet.

Though that only encompasses some of the theories behind Paleo eating.

Have a read of the stickies here. Hopefully it can answer most of your questions.

If not, just ask some specific questions and there'll be people along to help shortly!

siochain

first week or two is going to be tough, this is your body clearing and withdrawing, stick it out and please post back in two weeks about how your getting on.

From personal experince I would highly recommend it.

Chazz Michael Michaels

siochain wrote: »

first week or two is going to be tough, this is your body clearing and withdrawing, stick it out and please post back in two weeks about how your getting on.

From personal experince I would highly recommend it.

This is my fifth day. I'm not finding it hard at all, only when I look to eat out and try to find something suitable I find it mildly awkward, but that's it. I don't miss it.

Dotcomdolly

Well done, definitely for the best, though I agree hard to eat out - steak places are usually best option.

Check out the thread I started - how to go primal .... Loads of info and ideas.

Chazz Michael Michaels

I had a little rice last night, now I feel sick and dizzy...

Hanley

Chazz Michael Michaels wrote: »

I had a little rice last night, now I feel sick and dizzy...

That's strange because there's no gluten or wheat in rice.

Chazz Michael Michaels

Hanley wrote: »

That's strange because there's no gluten or wheat in rice.

I know there is no wheat, thanks for the sarcasm.

I was misinformed on the gluten then. It must have been something else...

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

I think I've accidentally been doing the paleo diet for the past while except for a tiny bit of oats in the morning. might try and cut them out, stick to boiled eggs or something instead

breakfast. oats/natural yoghurt/frozen fruit + grapefruit
lunch - spinach, tuna, celery, green pepper, cucumber
dinner - one potato, broccoli, carrots,mushrooms (oh, and some meat. pork chop or chicken)

snack an orange or plum or something

does that seem paleo-y? would I notice any improvement in weight loss or general health if I cut out the oats completely or is a small enough amount like that not really worth thinking about.

add more meats, don't worry that much about the oats.

I really doubt you're getting enough calories eating like that though.

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

yeah I've been wondering about the calories too. I do have a metric ****ton of broccoli/carrots with dinner though so its probably not as calorie light as it looks. and the salad for lunch is pretty massive so.. as calorie light as those foods are .. there's a lot of them

also.. more meats? tuna for lunch and chops or chicken for dinner.. should I have meat for breakfast?

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar wrote: »

yeah I've been wondering about the calories too. I do have a metric ****ton of broccoli/carrots with dinner though so its probably not as calorie light as it looks. and the salad for lunch is pretty massive so.. as calorie light as those foods are .. there's a lot of them

also.. more meats? tuna for lunch and chops or chicken for dinner.. should I have meat for breakfast?

1 kg (~ 8 portions!) of brocolli is approx 350kcals. You'd want to be eating horse-sized portions of vegetables to be getting enough calories.

Meat/eggs for breakfast is good. Eggs are "meat alternatives" in my book.

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

hrm

i chose this diet partly for the weight loss and partly for the cheapness of it all I spend sweet bugger all on food these days.. I guess I could pick up some sliced ham or something and just have a couple of slices in the morning

from what I remember i'm roughly around 1500-1700 calories a day (I used the livestrong my plate.. thingie) although a lot of that is based on my guesstimations of portion sizes when entering the foods i've eaten during the day.

LeinsterDub

Just talking about it on Matt Cooper now, well bread but have touched on grains. Basically saying that for most people abstaining from Grains is nonsense

Hanley

LeinsterDub wrote: »

Just talking about it on Matt Cooper now, well bread but have touched on grains. Basically saying that for most people abstaining from Grains is nonsense

By "nonsense" he means...?

LeinsterDub

Hanley wrote: »

By "nonsense" he means...?

It's wasn't Matt himself . And my nonsense the person from Blackrock Clinic said that the majority of person have no issue digesting grains. White bread is has a quicker release than brown but that isn't necessarily a bad thing, the release can be slow by meats and salads in a sandwich. White bread causing Bloating is basically a myth

http://media.todayfm.com/listenbacks/popup Monday , Part 1 ,16m in .

Dotcomdolly

Probably a spin-off of the report saying the Irish don't eat enough bread , sponsored by Brennans.

Hanley

LeinsterDub wrote: »

It's wasn't Matt himself . And my nonsense the person from Blackrock Clinic said that the majority of person have no issue digesting grains. White bread is has a quicker release than brown but that isn't necessarily a bad thing, the release can be slow by meats and salads in a sandwich. White bread causing Bloating is basically a myth

http://media.todayfm.com/listenbacks/popup Monday , Part 1 ,16m in .

I actually saw the article that sprang up on breaking news today. Still have a handprint on my face from the violence of the facepalm.

Zamboni

LeinsterDub wrote: »

It's wasn't Matt himself . And my nonsense the person from Blackrock Clinic said that the majority of person have no issue digesting grains. White bread is has a quicker release than brown but that isn't necessarily a bad thing, the release can be slow by meats and salads in a sandwich. White bread causing Bloating is basically a myth

http://media.todayfm.com/listenbacks/popup Monday , Part 1 ,16m in .

Couple of things.

The Dr is probably receiving an EFT from Brennans Bread.
Blackrock Clinic is not a bastion of health information.
Just because some people do not have issues digesting grains does not mean it is appropriate for consumption.

LeinsterDub

Zamboni wrote: »

Couple of things.

The Dr is probably receiving an EFT from Brennans Bread.
Blackrock Clinic is not a bastion of health information.
Just because some people do not have issues digesting grains does not mean it is appropriate for consumption.

Nor does it mean it inappropriate

Zamboni

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar wrote: »

also.. more meats? tuna for lunch and chops or chicken for dinner.. should I have meat for breakfast?

My own spin* on Paleo is that for the vast history of the human species we populated the earth using coastal routes. The reason being was the oceans provided a consistent food supply.
I don't think it is adequate to drop grains and increase meat - I think we should all bump up our fish/seafood intake drastically rather than just eating more land animals.
Try makerel/herring kippers for brekkie

*I'm sure this isn't an original idea but I haven't spotted it anywhere.

Chazz Michael Michaels

LeinsterDub wrote: »

Nor does it mean it inappropriate

But a fact is that hunter-gatherers were, on average, taller, better fed and healthier than their city-dwelling, grain eating cousins. I would begin my reading here in your quest out of darkness. No, it isn't a radio show.

http://virtual.yosemite.cc.ca.us/ottej/PDF/diamond.pdf

LeinsterDub

Chazz Michael Michaels wrote: »

But a fact is that hunter-gatherers were, on average, taller, better fed and healthier than their city-dwelling, grain eating cousins. I would begin my reading here in your quest out of darkness. No, it isn't a radio show.

http://virtual.yosemite.cc.ca.us/ottej/PDF/diamond.pdf

2+2 and you give me 5 . The Dutch are the tallest people in the world maybe we should all start eating Oliebol and ware clogs

Chazz Michael Michaels

LeinsterDub wrote: »

2+2 and you give me 5 . The Dutch are the tallest people in the world maybe we should all start eating Oliebol and ware clogs

How scientific...

LeinsterDub

Chazz Michael Michaels wrote: »

How scientific...

As about as scientific as claiming the only factor that lead to healthier hunter gathers was a change in diet

Chazz Michael Michaels

LeinsterDub wrote: »

the only factor that lead to healthier hunter gathers was a change in diet

Who said that?

LeinsterDub

Chazz Michael Michaels wrote: »

Who said that?

Chazz Michael Michaels wrote: »

But a fact is that hunter-gatherers were, on average, taller, better fed and healthier than their city-dwelling, grain eating cousins.

Now maybe your where talking about life styles as a whole ? If so I picked up you wrong

Chazz Michael Michaels

LeinsterDub wrote: »

Now maybe your where talking about life styles as a whole ? If so I picked up you wrong

I didn't say it was the only factor, I'm just saying that research seems to suggest that the health of hunter-gatherers would seem to be superior to settled people at the same period in time. Some economic research I have read also suggests that they (HGs) had more leisure time and got more calories per hour worked than settled people also. In short, what I have read suggests that, on average:

• Lived longer
• Were taller (a good indicator of health & quality of diet)
• Worked less for food
• Often died a violent death, unlike settled people

So, swings and roundabouts.

LeinsterDub

Chazz Michael Michaels wrote: »

I didn't say it was the only factor

Fair enough. I should of asked you to clarify instead of assuming.