Kirwan(Menlo Park) Roundabout Plans on public display-another slap to residents.

Aiel

http://www.galwaynews.ie/27550-city-kirwan-roundabout-plans-go-public-display

Appologies if this is in another thread but i didnt see it.Basically the City Council officals ignored the Residents of the area's wishes and have come back with more or less the exact same plan they had to begin with.There is 5 exits off that roundabout at the moment that they want to make into a T-junction which will obviously bring it down to 4 exits.The one direct exit from that roundabout that they want to drop is the road by the Menlo Park Hotel.This will be placed by a slip road which will come onto the already busy Headford Rd near the roundabout but not on it.There wont be traffic lights at the junction of that slip road and the Headford Rd meaning thousands of cars each day will be hoping to be "let out" by kind drivers on the Headford Rd.Its crazy.Why not drop the exit at the Sandy Rd,Liosban Estate and have an exit come onto the Eastern Bypass Rd instead???No doubt City Councillors will claim that exit is vital for jobs in the Industrial Estate etc.A rd coming onto the Eastern By-Pass rd for that Industrial Estate would be sufficent for them(they already have the Tuam Rd exit).At a meeting of residents and city officals these points were made but were blatantly ignored by officals.So residents of the Terryland/Ballinfoyle Parish area are getting screwed AGAIN:mad:.
Another example of this is the area is far older then Knocknacarra and Barna yet their community centres are being built right now while 32+ yrs later Terryland/Ballinfoyle residents are still waiting for theirs to be built.I remember Derek Nolan saying when he was running for local councillor for the area that he would fight for all of these issues for the residents,ya right:mad:.
Plus despite the number of break-in's in the area being high the area was one of only 2 or 3 in the city to lose its community Garda.
What do residents of this are have to do to get listened to and not continually slapped in the face by officals??

zarquon

An exit coming on to the bypass will only cater for west bound traffic. Not to mention that your proposed exit is also a back entrance to the industrial estates there meaning that only west bound traffic could enter off the dual carriageway. Like it or not your proposal would have a serious impact on businesses in the sandyroad/terryland/liosbaun area. I'm guessing they have chosen the lesser of two evils, however they should put lights on the junction of the new menlo slip road.

snubbleste

When do we march on City Hall?

Sponge Bob

Did the councillors not back the Menlo/Castlelawn etc residents after the public meeting in the Marriot back in around March???? And what has gone wrong since??

antoobrien

Sponge Bob wrote: »

Did the councillors not back the Menlo/Castlelawn etc residents after the public meeting in the Marriot back in around March???? And what has gone wrong since??

No they sided with the business interests in the Liosban. It was mentioned in the thread that got moved to infra.

Here's the article

Galway city council has voted to remove the Kirwan roundabout at the Menlo Park Hotel.

At last evening's city council meeting, councillors voted 9 - 6 in favour of replacing the roundabout with a signalised junction as part of the n6 Bothar na dTreabh scheme.

Councillors were asked to vote on one of three options- the first was diverting a road from the Menlo Park Hotel grounds through to the Headford road, the second involved the closure of the Liosban leg of the junction and creating a new access road, and the third was to do nothing and leave the roundabout intact.

After debating the issue for over two hours, the majority of councillors voted in favour of option one, also the preferred option of the city transportation unit.

The four leg signalised junction with the re-alignment of the road from the Menlo Park Hotel to a new T.junction can now proceed to the planning process.

zarquon

Glad to see the back of that roundabout to be honest. The amount of people who turn left coming from the dual carriageway but yet approach in the right hand lane is ridiculous. I've been cut off several times going straight onto menlo road. Last week coming from bodkin roundabout approaching in right hand lane to turn right onto bothar na dtreabh an idiot approached alongside me in the left lane and proceed to go all the way around the roundabout in the left lane to turn back towards terryland and cut me off as i tried to access the dual carriageway. The amount of bad driving on the kirwin and bodkin roundabouts is shocking and the city will be better off without them

Acidflash

zarquon wrote: »

Glad to see the back of that roundabout to be honest. The amount of people who turn left coming from the dual carriageway but yet approach in the right hand lane is ridiculous. I've been cut off several times going straight onto menlo road. Last week coming from bodkin roundabout approaching in right hand lane to turn right onto bothar na dtreabh an idiot approached alongside me in the left lane and proceed to go all the way around the roundabout in the left lane to turn back towards terryland and cut me off as i tried to access the dual carriageway. The amount of bad driving on the kirwin and bodkin roundabouts is shocking and the city will be better off without them

Couldn't agree with you more. The worst roundabout in town. I use it every day and both of these things seem to be the norm unfortunately. At least 3-5 times a week i'm cut off trying to get onto the headford rd by people who approach from the bodkin in the left hand lane and then go onto bothar na dtreabh.

Mrs OBumble

Aiel wrote: »

http://www.galwaynews.ie/27550-city-kirwan-roundabout-plans-go-public-display

....The one direct exit from that roundabout that they want to drop is the road by the Menlo Park Hotel.This will be placed by a slip road which will come onto the already busy Headford Rd near the roundabout but not on it. ... At a meeting of residents and city officals these points were made but were blatantly ignored by officals.So residents of the Terryland/Ballinfoyle Parish area ...

Do you have any figures for how likely people from the Ballinfoyle Park area are to drive up to Tirellan Heights so they can then drive back down and exit the area via the roundabout - vs existing at the existing Ballinfoyle Rd / Headford Rd junctions? If these people want to turn right, why not just send them down the Dyke Rd instead? (granted it needs be be widened in places).

The fact that it's an older suburb is possibly the reason why it doesn't have a community centre - the same way that Salthill doesn't have one.

TBH, someone has to be the loser at this junction, and if it's a toss-up between the Castlelawn/Tirellan/Menlo residents VS the people who use Liosban, it's pretty obvious which side will win.

what_traffic

JustMary wrote: »

TBH, someone has to be the loser at this junction, and if it's a toss-up between the Castlelawn/Tirellan/Menlo residents VS the people who use Liosban, it's pretty obvious which side will win.

It's true just follow the money - who has been paying for the rates and water in this city to date.

galwaycyclist

what_traffic wrote: »

It's true just follow the money - who has been paying for the rates and water in this city to date.

Of course if we had proper local rates or a residential property tax then that would help put the power back into residents hands...

Better go and wash my mouth/keyboard out with soapy water now ..........

Sponge Bob

antoobrien wrote: »

No they sided with the business interests in the Liosban. It was mentioned in the thread that got moved to infra

I knew we discussed it. Forgot where it went..feared it was deleted even.

antoobrien

Sponge Bob wrote: »

I knew we discussed it. Forgot where it went..feared it was deleted even.

Indeed, I think there may well be an older thread but I can't find it (or I could be confusing it with one of a number of discussions on Terryland).

Sponge Bob

Nope. All in there. Probably safe to move it back in here too as long as nobody mentions the dreaded 'c' word.

Fuinseog

Acidflash wrote: »

Couldn't agree with you more. The worst roundabout in town. I use it every day and both of these things seem to be the norm unfortunately. At least 3-5 times a week i'm cut off trying to get onto the headford rd by people who approach from the bodkin in the left hand lane and then go onto bothar na dtreabh.

I would have thought the tesco roundabout would be worse.
how do ye find coming the slipway at that roundabout? do these kind of slipways work well?

Iwannahurl

Acidflash wrote: »

Couldn't agree with you more. The worst roundabout in town. I use it every day and both of these things seem to be the norm unfortunately. At least 3-5 times a week i'm cut off trying to get onto the headford rd by people who approach from the bodkin in the left hand lane and then go onto bothar na dtreabh.

Standard practice on Kirwan, regardless of the RoTR and local signage.

Roundabout abuse (and abusive roundabouts) is the normal situation in Galway, and this is one of the worst locations. I too will be glad to see the back of it (is that technically possible?!) though I wouldn't be too hopeful that it will completely eliminate dangerous and stupid driving and other hazards, especially for more vulnerable road users.

Night Falls

Iwannahurl wrote: »

Standard practice on Kirwan, regardless of the RoTR and local signage.

Roundabout abuse (and abusive roundabouts) is the normal situation in Galway, and this is one of the worst locations. I too will be glad to see the back of it (is that technically possible?!) though I wouldn't be too hopeful that it will completely eliminate dangerous and stupid driving and other hazards, especially for more vulnerable road users.

You can never completely eliminate risk, but you can certainly minimise it.

Mr Keek

zarquon wrote: »

Glad to see the back of that roundabout to be honest. The amount of people who turn left coming from the dual carriageway but yet approach in the right hand lane is ridiculous. I've been cut off several times going straight onto menlo road

I'm probally having a Homer Simpson moment here, but if you are comming from the dual carriage way and heading to the Menlo rd, could one also make the argument tht could go in the right lane yourself .....as the Menlo road is the 3rd exit of that round about?

Left lane on any round about is for 1st and 2nd exit, which is traditionally left and straight . But on tht round about, the 1st exit is Sandy Rd, and the 2nd exit is onto the headford rd towards Dunnes and the Bridge.

Menlo despite being straight ahead you could use the right lane as its the 3rd exit? I cant recall if the lanes are marked.

Not picking on you, i completely agree with you, some shocking stuff there. Just offering you a possible reason why people do what you have described, the rules of the road does say for a third exit, stay in the right lane unless otherwise indicated.

I use tht round about twice a day and see the same nonsense both inbound and outbound. Wont miss it myself either, I think a junction could improve traffic if done properly,certainly at evening rush hour.

zarquon

3rd exit is at 12 O' Clock therefore correct procedure is left hand lane for this exit. Either way the point is right hand lane for left turn at 9 o'clock is just plane stupid driving. Whats even more stupid are the reactions of people doing such a move and cutting others off, a few times i have received angry looks from the other cars as if i'm the person in the wrong.

Acidflash

Fuinseog wrote: »

how do ye find coming the slipway at that roundabout? do these kind of slipways work well?

Can't say I use the bridge too much these days but that sliproad is pointless IMO. It's of no advantage for anyone going into Dun na Coiribe and is just used by people who think it's a 'shortcut' or are too impatient to wait for a few seconds at the lights.

Iwannahurl wrote: »

I too will be glad to see the back of it (is that technically possible?!) though I wouldn't be too hopeful that it will completely eliminate dangerous and stupid driving and other hazards, especially for more vulnerable road users.

It certainly won't but as someone else said it will lower the chances of an incident there. Hopefully it won't turn into another briarhill where breaking the lights seems to have become quite common.

snubbleste

Acidflash wrote: »

Can't say I use the bridge too much these days but that sliproad is pointless IMO. It's of no advantage for anyone going into Dun na Coiribe and is just used by people who think it's a 'shortcut' or are too impatient to wait for a few seconds at the lights.

If that's the case, why don't I see long tailbacks every hour on that sliproad?

Iwannahurl

Mr Keek wrote: »

I'm probally having a Homer Simpson moment here, but if you are comming from the dual carriage way and heading to the Menlo rd, could one also make the argument tht could go in the right lane yourself .....as the Menlo road is the 3rd exit of that round about?

Left lane on any round about is for 1st and 2nd exit, which is traditionally left and straight . But on tht round about, the 1st exit is Sandy Rd, and the 2nd exit is onto the headford rd towards Dunnes and the Bridge.

Menlo despite being straight ahead you could use the right lane as its the 3rd exit? I cant recall if the lanes are marked.

Not picking on you, i completely agree with you, some shocking stuff there. Just offering you a possible reason why people do what you have described, the rules of the road does say for a third exit, stay in the right lane unless otherwise indicated.

I use tht round about twice a day and see the same nonsense both inbound and outbound. Wont miss it myself either, I think a junction could improve traffic if done properly,certainly at evening rush hour.

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056663225

Fuinseog

zarquon wrote: »

3rd exit is at 12 O' Clock therefore correct procedure is left hand lane for this exit. Either way the point is right hand lane for left turn at 9 o'clock is just plane stupid driving. Whats even more stupid are the reactions of people doing such a move and cutting others off, a few times i have received angry looks from the other cars as if i'm the person in the wrong.

I always went into the right lane when going from the new road onto the menlo road. the sign gives the impression that the third exit is beyond 12 o clock.

still, I have seen people driving against the traffic on that roundabout.

antoobrien

Fuinseog wrote: »

I always went into the right lane when going from the new road onto the menlo road. the sign gives the impression that the third exit is beyond 12 o clock.

If you draw a straight line along the BNT toward the RAB (ignoring the flare left to discourage right turns), it's fairly clear that the third exit is at 1 o clock (but it's not something that's obvious coming down the hill).

RSA advice indicates that that either lane could be used in this case (emphasis added):

chatterpillar wrote: »

Dear **name**,

While it is impossible to give a definitive rule on position to be taken at Multi Exit Roundabouts due to their actual layout, size and amount of traffic lanes if any, however as a general rule if taking any Exit between the 8.00am to 1.00pm positions, motorists should approach in the Left Hand Lane, Road Position or as dictated by Road Markings. If taking any Exit from the 1.pm to 5.pm position motorists should approach in the Right Hand Lane or Position.

Your are correct on your understanding of the procedures to be adopted at Roundabouts in your email.

Your colleagues are not correct in their understanding that they base their approach on the number of exits only and not take into account the layout of the Exits at the Roundabouts.

The above guidelines are for reference only’.

I hope this is of help.

Kind regards,
**name**
Road Safety Authority

Unrealistic

Getting back on topic, there will be a public meeting this Wednesday at 8 PM in the Menlo Park Hotel to discuss the changes to this roundabout. I have no affiliation, I just noticed the signs announcing it.

Personally I'm in two minds about whether this is a good idea or not. If it makes the Headford Road more free flowing and therefore more attractive to the drivers who are currently using Kiloughter/Menlo/Coolough as a rat run then I think its worth the extra inconvenience for those coming from Menlo/Castlelaw/Tirellan.

I haven't seen the new plans yet (anyone got a PDF or photos of the ones on display) but I would assume what they are proposing is the exact same type of junction that is in use here if you were coming from the Mervue side on to the Ballybane Road, in how it joins the main road just short of the traffic lights.

If it is, again based on my understanding of the discussions as I haven't seen them, then I don't see what the big deal is. That junction handles far more traffic than the proposed one is ever likely to handle

snubbleste

Unrealistic wrote: »

Getting back on topic, there will be a public meeting this Wednesday at 8 PM in the Menlo Park Hotel to discuss the changes to this roundabout. I have no affiliation, I just noticed the signs announcing it...

Who is organising this meeting? Residents, Councilors, Council, Businesses?

antoobrien

Deleted User wrote: »

I haven't seen the new plans yet (anyone got a PDF or photos of the ones on display) but I would assume what they are proposing is the exact same type of junction that is in use here if you were coming from the Mervue side on to the Ballybane Road, in how it joins the main road just short of the traffic lights.

If it is, again based on my understanding of the discussions as I haven't seen them, then I don't see what the big deal is. That junction handles far more traffic than the proposed one is ever likely to handle

There are some diagrams on the galway city website:
http://www.galwaycity.ie/AllServices/Planning/DevelopmentPlanandPolicySection/GalwayCityDevelopmentPlan20112017/300812_05.pdf
http://www.galwaycity.ie/AllServices/Planning/DevelopmentPlanandPolicySection/GalwayCityDevelopmentPlan20112017/300812_06.pdf
http://www.galwaycity.ie/AllServices/Planning/DevelopmentPlanandPolicySection/GalwayCityDevelopmentPlan20112017/300812_07.pdf

There's also this diagram in the sentinel (which is clearer than the corpo diagrams)

cheers for that. so it is basically what I thought

Unrealistic

snubbleste wrote: »

Who is organising this meeting? Residents, Councilors, Council, Businesses?

I only know about it from hand written notices on telephone poles in the area and they don't mention who is organising it. I would guess it's either residents, or a taxi driving FG councillor, or both.

antoobrien

snubbleste wrote: »

Who is organising this meeting? Residents, Councilors, Council, Businesses?

Residents

The residents have called a public meeting for tomorrow (Wednesday) night in the Menlo Park Hotel at 8pm and have invited city councillors and officials

Iwannahurl

Unrealistic wrote: »

I only know about it from hand written notices on telephone poles in the area and they don't mention who is organising it. I would guess it's either residents, or a taxi driving FG councillor, or both.

If it was a typed A4 page stuck to a pole it could be an official City Council notice. :rolleyes:

Handwritten looks like a community effort.

Unrealistic

Did anyone go to the meeting last night? (I couldn't make it.)

what_traffic

• Great attendance from the Community 100+
• 7 Cllr's and the Mayor
• Director of Services Ciarain Hayes and Senior Engineer Joe Tansey from the City Council
• Ex President of NUIG Dr Iognaid O Muircheartaigh was the chair.

Same plans as was rolled out the last time i.e the plans that antoobrien has posted in the thread recently.
Residents need to get two Cllr's from the original 9 who voted in favour to change their minds. Last vote was 9-6 in favour.

antoobrien

what_traffic wrote: »

Same plans as was rolled out the last time

Was it just the plans that have been printed in the paper, were there more detailed plans or any of the alternatives that were discussed earlier in the year?

what_traffic

Yup - exact same.
Council officials where using same arguments as before.
No other plans where on the table.

One thing to note - owner of the Menlo Hotel was in attendance; he has stated that he will not sell the land for the new access road to be built. So it will have to be CPO'd if these plans are to go ahead.

antoobrien

what_traffic wrote: »

Yup - exact same.
Council officials where using same arguments as before.
No other plans where on the table.

One thing to note - owner of the Menlo Hotel was in attendance; he has stated that he will not sell the land for the new access road to be built. So it will have to be CPO'd if these plans are to go ahead.

Cheers

Years of court cases trying to CPO the land.

what_traffic

Cllrs that where in attendance:

• Cllr. Tom Costello (Galway City East)
• Cllr. Michael J Crowe (Galway City East)
• Cllr. Frank Fahy (Galway City East)
• Cllr. Nuala Nolan (Galway City East)
• Cllr. Pádraig Conneely (Galway City Central)
• Cllr. Catherine Connolly (Galway City West)
• Cllr. Hildegarde Naughton (Galway City West)

• 
  Mayor Cllr. Terry O'Flaherty (Galway City East)

Iwannahurl

Did Iggy do a good job of chairing?

Good idea to have an independent chair. Independent of the Council, at any rate. I didn't think having the Director of Services chairing the meeting, as happened previously, was a good idea.

what_traffic

Iwannahurl wrote: »

Did Iggy do a good job of chairing?

Good idea to have an independent chair. Independent of the Council, at any rate. I didn't think having the Director of Services chairing the meeting, as happened previously, was a good idea.

He did do a good job from what I saw - but I did miss the first 30min. Agree re chair should be independent.

galwaycyclist

Iwannahurl wrote: »

Did Iggy do a good job of chairing?

Good idea to have an independent chair. Independent of the Council, at any rate. I didn't think having the Director of Services chairing the meeting, as happened previously, was a good idea.

I thought he did a good job all things considered however I felt the format was flawed because the way it was done Ciaran Hayes and Joe Tansey got to have the last word on the issues that were raised.

The format was

* Joe T presents scheme
* Concerned residents raised concerns
* Ciaran Hayes and Joe Tansey provide responses.

This is not materially different to how they conduct other council meetings. Really there needs to be right of reply to their claims.

So for instance on the fact that they are using slip roads that are inherently dangerous for cyclists they declined to acknowledge the issue but skirted around it by saying that they have an "independent" safety audit.

The reply to this is

1) The council officials are the ones paying for the safety audit
2) The firm doing the "safety audit" on one scheme will be doing the "design work" on the next scheme - so there is the whiff of a cosy circular arrangement.
3) There is cause for huge concern as to the professional understanding of safe or sustainable road design among the Irish Civil engineering profession - including road safety auditors.
4) Many among the Irish Civil Engineering profession - including road safety auditors - have shown themselves to have little understanding of a) cycling b) cycling in traffic c) where and how cycling accidents occur.

snubbleste

Michael Crowe was in favour of the plans but no he is not..why? Votes!

Cllr Michael Crowe (FF), the Chairman of the Transport and Infrastructure Committee, said he was withdrawing his support for the plans after hearing the public opposition at the meeting.

Sponge Bob

The Officials were blown out of the water last night as the councillors unanimously refused to remove the roundabout per their current plan.

http://www.galwaynews.ie/28759-roundabouts-plan-tatters-councillors-vote-against

The variation to the CDP, to allow the construction of a four set signalised junction to replace a five exit roundabout, was unanimously rejected, however, and City Councillors indicated at the meeting that plans for a similar transformation of the five-exit roundabout at Corrib Park (Browne Roundabout) would face similar opposition.

They'll have to go back to the drawing board.

A Liosbaun exit towards the middle of Bothar na dTreabh ( and with the Headford Road converted to a cul de sac between Tirellan and Sandyvale makes the most sense..... to me anyway. Probably take years but what the heck. Another way is across the ESB yard between Sandy Row and the Seán Mulvoy Road seeing as Tesco will have a new exit on the Seán Mulvoy on the other side ....allegedly.

antoobrien

Sponge Bob wrote: »

Another way is across the ESB yard between Sandy Row and the Seán Mulvoy Road seeing as Tesco will have a new exit on the Seán Mulvoy on the other side ....allegedly.

O.t but there's no "allegedly" about it, a LILO (left in left out) is in the plans.

dloob

From the sounds of it they don't plan on going near the drawing board.
It will be left as it is, as the NRA funding is now gone.
Plus once there are long tailbacks to it from every direction the official's can say told you so.

antoobrien

I don't know if these have been posed before (don't remember seeing them) but these are only set of diagrams I have been able to find about the proposals to change the Kirwan RAB

Manager's Report On the Proposed Variation to Galway City Development Plan 2011-2017 in accordance with Section 13 of the Planning and Development Acts 2000-2011

Submissions recieved(looks like scans of photocopies)


There are a few files in the City Development Plant 2011-2017, but no extra details that I have seen (yet, I've only skim read it)

crusher000

Can't understand why they can't use the same system as Briarhill junction. I don't have all the information to hand the council or NRA have but it's the same number of exits and more or less the same design.

Sponge Bob

dloob wrote: »

From the sounds of it they don't plan on going near the drawing board.

They'll have to. The NRA, however, may be cross with them and may refuse to entertain their inevitable request for more funds.

Thanks for the link to the submissions Anto. I thought the Dunnes Submission was utterly damning.

Both Dunnes Stores and O’Connor Sutton Cronin (OCSC) have written to and met with the City Council on a number of occasions in respect of the Béthar na dTreabh (N6) Multi Modal Corridor Improvement Scheme, in particulart to ascertain the impacts of the proposed works on the operation of Dunnes Stores at Terrylands.

Following a meeting with the City Council on 13 July 2012, OCSC requested (by letter dated 16" July 2012) details of the proposed
works at the Kirwan Roundabout and Headford Road were requested. By a second letter dated 28 August 2012, OCSC again requested the same information. It was not until 4 September 2102 that a reply was received from the City Council.

Notwithstanding the excessive delay of over seven weeks, the City Council provided little or none of the requested information and provided no indication of why same was not forthcoming. For the record, we reiterate that the following information is necessary in order that an adequate submission in respect of the City Council's proposals can be made:

• Digital copies (in AutoCAD *.dwg format) of proposed road design proposals, to
include background topographical and Ordnance Survey data, at the following
locations:
• Bodkin Roundabout:
• Headford Road;
• Kirwan Roundabout.
• Conjirmation of the design speed used in respect ofthe scheme;
• Copies of all relevant traffc counts and of any origin-destination surveys;
• Copies of input/output Eles from any Transyt/Vissim/Paramics network and/or
microsimulation models which may have been undertaken in support of the new
road proposals;
• Details of proposed signal timings, staging and offsets.

Dunnes Stores are of the view that they have been treated with complete disregard by the
City Council throughout this process. The fact that the City Council only commissioned
appropriate traffic counts following representations by our clients is but one indication that
the direct and indirect impacts of this scheme have not even been identified by the City
Council never mind been addressed. No consideration has been given to the detrimental
impact these arrangements will have on the commercial viability of the business.

antoobrien

crusher000 wrote: »

Can't understand why they can't use the same system as Briarhill junction. I don't have all the information to hand the council or NRA have but it's the same number of exits and more or less the same design.

Briarhill, Ballybane & Tuam Rd were all 4 exit roundabouts - so they can't use the same plan as this is a 5 exit roundabout.

They're also not trying to turn the 3rd exit into the 2nd exit to facilitate a "straight on" in an attempt to shoehorn in traffic lights.

Finally, there were no exists closed (in this case at the expense of residents) on the other three junctions.

antoobrien

Sponge Bob wrote: »

I thought the Dunnes Submission was utterly damning.

It looks fairly comprehensive all right.

Slightly o.t. but in keeping with the Dunnes report, there's a traffic survey being carried out at the moment on some of junctions on the east side of town. I've spotted/taken notice them at the former Briarhill RAB & the Doughiska RAB. Anybody else spot them?

crusher000

Briar Hill Junction,
1st. coming from city lane to the left to enter Parkmore,
2nd. coming from city 2nd lane to left to go onto carmore.
3rd coming from city lane straight on towards motorway.
4th coming from city lane right onto Dunnes Stores
5th lane if coming from Oranmore/Dublin side straigh onto travel towards City ?

Menlo Junction
1st coming from city exit to Menlo Hotel.
2nd coming from city exit Headford rd
3rd. coming from city exit onto Tuam road.
4th coming from city exit Lisbaun/Motor park exit.
5th lane coming down from Tuam road exit into city

antoobrien

crusher000 wrote: »

Briar Hill Junction,
1st. coming from city lane to the left to enter Parkmore,
2nd. coming from city 2nd lane to left to go onto carmore.
3rd coming from city lane straight on towards motorway.
4th coming from city lane right onto Dunnes Stores
5th lane if coming from Oranmore/Dublin side straigh onto travel towards City ?

Menlo Junction
1st coming from city exit to Menlo Hotel.
2nd coming from city exit Headford rd
3rd. coming from city exit onto Tuam road.
4th coming from city exit Lisbaun/Motor park exit.
5th lane coming down from Tuam road exit into city

It's entrances that's important not lanes.

Briarhill entrances/exits
1) DC out from Mervue
2) Monivea Rd to Carnmore
3) DC from Doughiska
4) Monivea Rd from Ballybane/Mervue

Ballinfolye Junction (it's not in Menlo, Menlo is behind Tirellan) entrances/exits
1) Headford Rd from Woodquay (
2) entrance to Castlelawn Heights etc, Dyke Rd & Menlo
3) Headford Rd from Ballindooley
4) DC from Tuam Rd
5) Sandy Rd