Your Unpopular Rock & Metal Opinions

Malice

There have been a few instances of threads like this on other music forums so here is one for the Rock & Metal audience.

Off the top of my head:

• With a few exceptions I prefer listening to female vocalists.
• I am happy that I can't differentiate between most metal sub-genres. I have no real idea what the differences are between metalcore, melodic metal, post-metal, deathcore etc.
• I freely admit that I like Nu Metal. I think that a lot of people equate Nu Metal with Fred Durst. Their loss.

ronan45

Ian Astbury was a good step in to fill Jim Morrisons shoes

Links234

I don't like Slayer

Malice

Links234 wrote: »

I don't like Slayer

Me either with the exception of 1:39 into this song .

In terms of other popular bands that I don't like I'd add Iron Maiden, Judas Priest, Nine Inch Nails and Tool.

Banjo

I think Dave Mustaine is an astute political thinker and all round good guy.







No, I can't keep a straight face while typing that.

But I do genuinely think that Linkin Park blew QOTSA off the stage at the RDS in 2008. And I hate myself for that

old gregg

I absolutely can't stand Metallica. They'd be my least favourite band of any genre anywhere in the whole universe

charlietheminxx

Malice wrote: »

I freely admit that I like Nu Metal. I think that a lot of people equate Nu Metal with Fred Durst. Their loss.

This! Except you know what, I actually like a bit of Limp Bizkit.

nyarlothothep

I like The Darkness, they fckin' rip it up. Amazing band.

Mr. CooL ICE

I like The Murderdolls!

I think Iron Maiden's Piece Of Mind is one of their worst albums!

I think the worst black metal ever came from Norway!

Malice

charlietheminxx wrote: »

I actually like a bit of Limp Bizkit.

Don't get me wrong, I quite like Limp Bizkit too. Parts of Significant Other and Chocolate Starfish are brilliant. The media portrayal of Fred Durst is that he's a bit of a prat and for whatever reason he ended up as a bit of a figurehead and so was used as a metaphorical stick to beat the nu metal wave.

In summary: Limp Bizkit = good, Fred Durst = bad .

Joe_Dull

I really don't like Slayer, Mastodon, Pantera, Machine Head or thrash metal in general (with a few exceptions).

I think Death Magnetic is Metallica's best album.

Production quality is paramount for me, and I often find "classic" metal albums from before the late nineties painful to listen to because of the tinny, washed-out production.

In Flames are my favourite band, and I actually think the newer half of their catalogue trumps the older half (but not by much).

Similarly, with Korn I think they have more or less gotten progressively better with each album, and I find their first two (Korn and Life is Peachy) to be pretty awful records with only a handful of good songs between them.

I think metal and dubstep/trance/electro house mix incredibly well.

That's all I can think of for now!

Catari Jaguar

I don't understand why people think metal doesn't mix with electronic when you have artists like Rob Zombie, Ministry, NIN....

I like KoRns dub step album. In fact I love it.

I thought Chase & Status and Prodigy were great headliners for Download. All the metalheads ****ed off to see Slash so it was a great atmosphere and I got right up to the stage. Their loss.

I don't like most of Led Zeppelin's stuff.

I don't like Rush. At all. Sounds like space.

I think Phil Collins is a musical genius.

@ Lord Chessington; I also love the Murderdolls

frag420

Metallica suck assballs and James Hetfiled is a redneck piece of talentless shoit!!

There, I said it.

Malice

Joe_Dull wrote: »

In Flames are my favourite band, and I actually think the newer half of their catalogue trumps the older half (but not by much).

Catari Jaguar wrote: »

I like KoRns dub step album. In fact I love it.

LordChessington wrote: »

I like The Murderdolls!

I agree with all of the above. Well, except for In Flames being my favourite band although they're definitely in the top ten.

It's early on in the thread but I think these two have to be front-runners for the most unpopular opinion so far:

frag420 wrote:

Metallica suck assballs and James Hetfiled is a redneck piece of talentless shoit!!

Joe_Dull wrote:

I think Death Magnetic is Metallica's best album.

Joe_Dull

I do, however, still appreciate Metallica's older work!

jack presley

Motörhead are overrated.

frag420

Joe_Dull wrote: »

I do, however, still appreciate Metallica's older work!

I dont. They are the Beatles/U2 of metal, over rated and over hyped!!

Nea

I cannot stand Iron Maiden.

Joe_Dull

frag420 wrote: »

I dont. They are the U2 of metal, over rated and over hyped!!

I can deal with that.

frag420 wrote: »

I dont. They are the Beatles of metal, over rated and over hyped!!

WOAH WOAH WOAH WOAH! Wutchu say about the Bealtes?! :eek:

Chevolution

Anthrax are the strongest band of the big 4

frag420

Chevolution wrote: »

Anthrax are the strongest band of the big 4

Hell yes!!! Megash!t and Sh!tallica being the two worst of the big 4

Riddim Bandit

I think Guns n Roses are not deserving a fracture of popularity they achieved. Hate their songs, their genre should be called "pretensional rock".

Slash isnt that great of guitarist, and Axel Rose is total jerk that should be singing in a boysband.

Hyperbullet

-John Bush is far superior vocalist than Joey Belladonna and Anthrax should get him back.

-Rush are just awful, and I don't get Dream Theatre.

-Korn should have stopped making music 10 years ago.

-I have no idea why there have to be so many sub-genres in metal these days. Metal is metal pretty much. So f*ck off with your metalcore and post-metal.

LanceStrong

Poison have great songs and would be more popular if they hadn't worn that stupid makeup!

Chevolution

frag420 wrote: »

Chevolution wrote: »

Anthrax are the strongest band of the big 4

Hell yes!!! Megash!t and Sh!tallica being the two worst of the big 4

Not exactly, Metallicas first four albums are masterpieces, early Megadeth stuff is great but metallica just aren't good anymore, mustaine is losing his voice and slayer are just too consistent, Anthrax are still as good as they were 30 years ago

RayCon

I dislike 99% of what Malice posts in the "Listening to .... " thread ...

.. actually I dislike 70% of everything that gets posted in the "Listening to .... " thread ...



... nothing personal Malice - just singled you out cos you're a Mod and therefore regular poster

Just Like Heaven

I like djent. A lot.

sentient_6

I love the music but detest the scene & the image. Everyone from young wans thinking they're different to the leather jacket brigade who think they're different. Sorry.

nyarlothothep

Nea wrote: »

I cannot stand Iron Maiden.

Yeah I never got why people like them so much. I actually went out and bought that number of the beast album and while the recording quality/production is way ahead of its time, the songs are rubbish. Actually, you know the way AC/DC have one song they've played for 40 something years? Well Iron Maiden are the same except their song is sh1tter. If anyone plays guitar try this, play these chords A-G-F-G-A, that or a variation on that structure is every Iron Maiden song in existence and it's the sh1tty 80s chord progression that was so popular back then but which is basically neither happy nor sad, expressing no particular emotion other than neutrality and good music, in my opinion, should express something, not modality! But something that moves, unless it's techno in which case sounding robotic is ok.

Also, Megadeth are ass, just pure bore rock like Iron Maiden.

Malice

RayCon wrote: »

I dislike 99% of what Malice posts in the "Listening to .... " thread ...

What's the 1% that you do like?

Elysian

Risk is actually a pretty good album.

Say Your Number

nyarlothothep wrote: »

I like The Darkness, they fckin' rip it up. Amazing band.

nyarlothothep wrote: »

Actually, you know the way AC/DC have one song they've played for 40 something years? Well Iron Maiden are the same except their song is sh1tter.

Do you notice any similarity in these two songs?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGqrjfes-oE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VN_su0P9tU0

Joe_Dull

Hyperbullet wrote: »

Korn should have stopped making music 10 years ago.

The thread title is "Unpopular Rock & Metal Opinions" fella...

ride-the-spiral

Number of the Beast is the worst Iron Maiden album I've listened to, which is out of about 7 of them.

The only thrash metal band that has interested me ever is Metallica. Megadeth, Anthrax, Slayer have one or two songs that I might listen to but I found any album quite boring.

Some of the best music has come out since 2000.

I think the categorization of metal into many subgenres is a good thing and extremely helpful in finding new bands.

Cynic's show in Dublin was the only metal gig I've been to which I can describe as being in anyway at a reasonable volume level. I know it's probably not unpopular on here but this whole "Metal needs to be loud!" thing is ridiculous.

PickledLime

Malice wrote: »

There have been a few instances of threads like this on other music forums so here is one for the Rock & Metal audience.

Off the top of my head:

• I freely admit that I like Nu Metal. I think that a lot of people equate Nu Metal with Fred Durst. Their loss.

How so?

Malice

PickledLime wrote: »

How so?

It's their loss because if someone's going to dismiss nu metal because they don't like Fred Durst then they are missing out on a lot of top quality music.

darconio

I can't stand ANY of the NWOBHM bands
Led Zeppelin are boring
I also think that you don't need any AC/DC album as, when you listen to 1 song, you've served yourself their whole discography with their monotonous 4/4 beat

nyarlothothep

Say Your Number wrote: »

Do you notice any similarity in these two songs?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGqrjfes-oE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VN_su0P9tU0

Apart from having similar chords and a bluesy melody they're not really the same song. Every Inch of You (which incidentally has exquisite guitar tones) is a lot more glam, in fact it reminds me more of Tie Your Mother Down by Queen or similar bombastic swaggering tunes from the glam era. It's not a direct lift, certainly not in the sense of Dazed and Confused by Led Zep or Dani Callifornia by RHCP.

jpm4

The majority of women's involvement in metal comes across as tokenism at best and embarrassing crap at worst. It won't be remembered.

The first 3 Dickinson Iron Maiden albums are rather patchy and not anywhere as good as the first 2 Di'anno albums.

Most of what Cradle of Filth did in the 90s was excellent.

The genre as a whole has been on a creative decline since the 90s and has very little new left to offer us, save some individiual bands here and there.

endacl

I dislike basalt. Also aluminium.

Music-wise though, its make-up. All the way from early Alice Cooper and Kiss, to daft Scandinavian corpse paint. It just looks daft. Stop.

Immediately.

Malice

jpm4 wrote: »

The majority of women's involvement in metal comes across as tokenism at best and embarrassing crap at worst. It won't be remembered.

:eek: Can we get some example of what you regard to be "embarrassing crap"?

endacl

Malice wrote: »

jpm4 wrote: »

The majority of women's involvement in metal comes across as tokenism at best and embarrassing crap at worst. It won't be remembered.

:eek: Can we get some example of what you regard to be "embarrassing crap"?

Even though I don't agree with the 'tokenism' remark, the Great Kat is one fine example of cringesome cringeworthiness. On the other hand, we've had decades now of Jo Bench ripping it up on bass with Bolt Thrower. Tokenism? I think not...

Lawrence1895

I hereby admit having a crush on Sarah Jezebel Deva...but wait...'unpopular'...did she ever do a gig in Dublin? Or did I miss it, because I was in work, as per usual?

jpm4

Malice wrote: »

:eek: Can we get some example of what you regard to be "embarrassing crap"?

Evanescence
Diablo Swing Orchestra
Darkmoor
Within Tempation
Xandria
My Ruin

etc

Bear in mind this is the "Unpopular Opinions" thread so no need to get the knives out, and I absolutely believe these bands will be a footnote at best when it comes to writing the history of the genre.

I think all this was done to death in another thread anyway.

Malice

jpm4 wrote: »

Bear in mind this is the "Unpopular Opinions" thread so no need to get the knives out

Trust me, I started the thread so I know what it is . I wasn't getting the knives out at all, no need to be so sensitive. I was just curious what or who you were going to come up with. For the record I'd be of the opinion that Evanescence's early stuff up to and including Fallen is brilliant and well worth checking out. Everything after that is more or less forgettable sadly.
Diablo Swing Orchestra never appealed to me for some reason.
Darkmoor I've never heard of
Within Temptation possess a fantastic female singer. Unfortunately as good as her voice is, it's the same problem as Xandria in that a lot of the band's output is a bit dull and the excellent vocals can't save them.
Xandria are also a bit hit and miss. Out of their four albums there's about one album's worth of good songs .
My Ruin I'm not too gone on either.

Links234

Lars1916 wrote: »

I hereby admit having a crush on Sarah Jezebel Deva...but wait...'unpopular'...did she ever do a gig in Dublin? Or did I miss it, because I was in work, as per usual?

she was here with Cradle of Filth when they played in the button factory back in 01. I met her, she was lovely.

Lawrence1895

Links234 wrote: »

she was here with Cradle of Filth when they played in the button factory back in 01. I met her, she was lovely.

So 3 years before I came to Ireland?

I saw her with Therion in 1998, was talking to her after the gig, the only thing, I could say was...'may I get you a drink?' She smiled, I blushed and started stuttering like I don't know what

PickledLime

Malice wrote: »

It's their loss because if someone's going to dismiss nu metal because they don't like Fred Durst then they are missing out on a lot of top quality music.

That's probably what i should have asked - where/what's the quality music that sits under the nu-metal umbrella?

PickledLime

If ye're in the market for some decent female-fronted metal bands, ye could do a lot worse than Aghora or Madder Mortem

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mdG-J9mvHMw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FfD6lo_7o0U

Dark Artist

I'm of the unpopular opinion that Evanescence in particular are scoffed at more than they deserve. Most of their stuff including The Open Door is fairly solid in my opinion, and pretty out there as far as mainstream rock music goes. Their influence goes unrecognized despite the fact that they are to thank for the huge surge in popularity of female-fronted bands over the last decade, even more reputable ones such as Nightwish.

Malice

PickledLime wrote: »

That's probably what i should have asked - where/what's the quality music that sits under the nu-metal umbrella?

Are you asking because you genuinely want to know or because regardless of what bands or albums I list you're just going to dismiss them?