A new city..

CB19Kevo

Taking away the current financial state and looking to the future could it be feasible to develop a new urban center.
A planned city, Incorporating a well developed road,rail and underground network.
Aim for high rise construction and completely shut off urban sprawl.

As i see it the current main 4 have all major flaws mainly of course as a result of growth over hundreds of years and unfortunately many bad decisions made in recent years.

Where should this new metropolis be located or is our island too small for a new large city?

minidazzler

Who could we have move in there? There are plenty of empty houses in this country as it is.

We should make a city under the sea, where there are no constraints on science, art or surgery. There's no way this could go wrong ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aaSLNBOphpE

There is a new Simcity out early next year:
http://www.simcity.com/en_US
It is about the closest we will get in the near future.

admiralofthefleet

was already tried in ballumun but failed because once it was built the government didnt give a fiddlers fart about services for the area

3ndahalfof6

admiralofthefleet wrote: »

was already tried in ballumun but failed because once it was built the government didnt give a fiddlers fart about services for the area

id say that would be lethal,

Mint Sauce

CB19Kevo wrote: »

Taking away the current financial state and looking to the future could it be feasible to develop a new urban center.
A planned city, Incorporating a well developed road,rail and underground network.
Aim for high rise construction and completely shut off urban sprawl.

As i see it the current main 4 have all major flaws mainly of course as a result of growth over hundreds of years and unfortunately many bad decisions made in recent years.

Where should this new metropolis be located or is our island too small for a new large city?

The main 4? Only one I can think of is Dublin. Belfast if your including N Ireland.

redandwhite

Where would it go?

TheCoolWay

irish-stew wrote: »

The main 4? Only one I can think of is Dublin. Belfast if your including N Ireland.

No need for ignorance they clearly mean Dublin, Cork, Limerick and Galway.

ScumLord

CB19Kevo wrote: »

Taking away the current financial state and looking to the future could it be feasible to develop a new urban center.
A planned city, Incorporating a well developed road,rail and underground network.
Aim for high rise construction and completely shut off urban sprawl.

Yes, the Chinese have been at this for the last ten years, of course they have a huge budget and no constraints but they've built some impressive modern cities from scratch.

If you can build the city based on practical issues it's straight forward enough but in Ireland it would be drowned in political bull****.

minidazzler wrote: »

Who could we have move in there? There are plenty of empty houses in this country as it is.

That's not the point, the city would be more efficient and a much better place to live, you'd be looking to replace current urban areas with these new news.

TheCoolWay

redandwhite wrote: »

Where would it go?

Thought we already set up a few in Oz? Lols

Guy:Incognito

We need a good war. Get Dublin flattened then ,hey presto, no planning restrictions, hello modern city.

redandwhite

TheCoolWay wrote: »

Thought we already set up a few in Oz? Lols

And USA....UK....:)

Washington Irving

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EB9W8St1pDc

redandwhite

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

We need a good war. Get Dublin flattened then ,hey presto, no planning restrictions, hello modern city.

What's a good war????

jd007

redandwhite wrote: »

What's a good war????

The opposite of a bad one. :pac:

Mint Sauce

TheCoolWay wrote: »

No need for ignorance they clearly mean Dublin, Cork, Limerick and Galway.

Its not really ignorance. In most countries these, including Dublin would be considered a large town. Our planning laws just require you to have a University and a Catherdral for city status consideration.

The J Stands for Jay

TheCoolWay wrote: »

irish-stew wrote: »

The main 4? Only one I can think of is Dublin. Belfast if your including N Ireland.

No need for ignorance they clearly mean Dublin, Cork, Limerick and Galway.

Aren't Tallaght and Craigavon bigger than the last 3?

AnonoBoy

Wherever we build this new city as long as we build it on Rock and Roll I'm happy.

Guy:Incognito

redandwhite wrote: »

What's a good war????

One that levels the city we want to modernise and maybe includes a bit of genocide to reduce our populaion of "undesireables"

kfk

irish-stew wrote: »

Its not really ignorance. In most countries these, including Dublin would be considered a large town. Our planning laws just require you to have a University and a Catherdral for city status consideration.

Which countries would consider dublin as a large town? I dont think you will find many!

Professey Chin

irish-stew wrote: »

Its not really ignorance. In most countries these, including Dublin would be considered a large town. Our planning laws just require you to have a University and a Catherdral for city status consideration.

No they dont and havent for a long time. Theres no official requirements for a city. We have 5 official cities and 1 historical so it can keep the name.

galwayrush

McGaggs wrote: »

Aren't Tallaght and Craigavon bigger than the last 3?

Craigavon combined with the population of some nearby towns is still smaller.

Chuck Stone

A load of mice living in a white elephant?

Doylers

TheCoolWay wrote: »

No need for ignorance they clearly mean Dublin, Cork, Limerick and Galway.

So Waterford being forgot by the rest of the county, as usual.

PieForPi

There's 1 city in Ireland. (ROI)

The rest are towns that dress up their title the same way some bin men call themselves waste management engineers.

MrJoeSoap

Once it has a monorail, I'm in.

galwayrush

PieForPi wrote: »

There's 1 city in Ireland. (ROI)

The rest are towns that dress up their title the same way some bin men call themselves waste management engineers.

You're personal opinion is wrong, look it up.

dotsman

irish-stew wrote: »

Its not really ignorance. In most countries these, including Dublin would be considered a large town.

PieForPi wrote: »

There's 1 city in Ireland. (ROI)

The rest are towns that dress up their title the same way some bin men call themselves waste management engineers.

Get over yourselves...

Professey Chin

PieForPi wrote: »

There's 1 city in Ireland. (ROI)

The rest are towns that dress up their title the same way some bin men call themselves waste management engineers.

Nonsense. A city can be any size. Look at other countries and their official cities. Cities can have 20 million people or 2 thousand people.

PieForPi

Girls, don't get upset because I didn't play pretend with your dressed up little towns. I'm sure they've all lovely bottoms, except Limerick's who we all know is covered in blood.

Chuck Stone

PieForPi wrote: »

Girls, don't get upset because I didn't play pretend with your dressed up little towns. I'm sure they've all lovely bottoms, except Limerick's who we all know is covered in blood.

Ah shure Dublin is a backwater compared to most European capitals.

Fucking culchie Dubs. Ye must look like a pack of straw chewing droolers when ye go abroad.

DUCWIDT?

delad

Could they not just start building high rise buildings in Dublin? Then slowly and gradually start tearing down all the apartment buildings outside the city centre, with their current residents moving to new apartments in the city? Siptu have planning permission to tear down their current building and replace it with a new high rise building, and U2's tower got planning permission years ago so I don't think there's anything stopping the development of further high rise buildings in the city centre?

Mind you if you were to build a new city it would be best to do it around the centre of Ireland, and have a new airport there. This means that wherever you are travelling to from the airport your journey time will be reletively small, compared to the current international airport which is in an inconvenient position for the majority of Ireland.

dr.bollocko

mod:

Pieforpi don't post in this thread again.

No more of the dub vs. everywhere else crap from here on out please.

Fair warning.

El_Dangeroso

Planned towns/cities are always a terrible idea. I give you Shannon or Milton Keynes as examples.

The best cities are always ones that grow organically and as such have their own culture/community/identity. You can't create a culture out of thin air.

delad

El_Dangeroso wrote: »

Planned towns/cities are always a terrible idea. I give you Shannon or Milton Keynes as examples.

The best cities are always ones that grow organically and as such have their own culture/community/identity. You can't create a culture out of thin air.

Planned cities like Melbourne regularly get voted as the best places in the world to live.

El_Dangeroso

delad wrote: »

Planned cities like Melbourne regularly get voted as the best places in the world to live.

I have lived in Melbourne. The city has no discernible soul. It's all horrible suburb after horrible suburb.

ScumLord

El_Dangeroso wrote: »

Planned towns/cities are always a terrible idea. I give you Shannon or Milton Keynes as examples.

The best cities are always ones that grow organically and as such have their own culture/community/identity. You can't create a culture out of thin air.

Planning of cities has been happening for century's it's just that the original planners often don't factor in how modern advances will change things. The other thing is you can't find out what doesn't work until you try it. So all our failed plan cities are lessons towards new cities. The fact is also that there is major planning in the UK and most European cities, everything is planned out to the finest detail and the only thing organic about the growth is the driving factors behind the building.

delad

El_Dangeroso wrote: »

I have lived in Melbourne. The city has no discernible soul. It's all horrible suburb after horrible suburb.

Thats just like, your opinion man. I lived in the city for 3 years and it was the best place I've ever been. The city is an absolute joy to live in. Getting anywhere is so easy. Everything has its own little area and place. There is an arts district, a sports district with all their stadiums, even the shopping areas are well laid out with all computer shops together, all clothes shops together etc.. Each of the suburbs have their own unique feel and vibe. Everything just works as it should in Melbourne.

El_Dangeroso

ScumLord wrote: »

Planning of cities has been happening for century's it's just that the original planners often don't factor in how modern advances will change things. The other thing is you can't find out what doesn't work until you try it. So all our failed plan cities are lessons towards new cities. The fact is also that there is major planning in the UK and most European cities, everything is planned out to the finest detail and the only thing organic about the growth is the driving factors behind the building.

Planning the expansion of existing cities is a different thing to creating a new one out of thin air.

El_Dangeroso

delad wrote: »

Thats just like, your opinion man. I lived in the city for 3 years and it was the best place I've ever been. The city is an absolute joy to live in. Getting anywhere is so easy. Everything has its own little area and place. There is an arts district, a sports district with all their stadiums, even the shopping areas are well laid out with all computer shops together, all clothes shops together etc.. Each of the suburbs have their own unique feel and vibe. Everything just works as it should in Melbourne.

I think we're gonna have to agree to disagree. Actually is Melbourne even a planned city in the true sense of the word? I though Canberra was but Melbourne not.

el diablo

delad wrote: »

Thats just like, your opinion man. I lived in the city for 3 years and it was the best place I've ever been. The city is an absolute joy to live in. Getting anywhere is so easy. Everything has its own little area and place. There is an arts district, a sports district with all their stadiums, even the shopping areas are well laid out with all computer shops together, all clothes shops together etc.. Each of the suburbs have their own unique feel and vibe. Everything just works as it should in Melbourne.

And the trams are free.

Sulla Felix

I vote for the hill of tara. We already fscked it up, might as well finish the job.

Mully_2011

Sulla Felix wrote: »

I vote for the hill of tara. We already fscked it up, might as well finish the job.

Or you could just slap up a few skyscrapers in Navan

Colmustard

A certain phenomena is happening ATM, the growth of the Mega City a city of 10 million plus mainly happening in the Far East. But you also have dying cities which is happening in North America and parts of Europe.

Sulla Felix

Colmustard wrote: »

A certain phenomena is happening ATM, the growth of the Mega City a city of 10 million plus mainly happening in the Far East. But you also have dying cities which is happening in North America and parts of Europe.

Dredd is gonna kick our asses for sure.

usernamegoes

Interesting idea about creating new cities on Ted. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mSHBma0Ithk

The PDs also had an interesting idea for Dublin Port
http://irishelectionliterature.wordpress.com/2011/11/29/from-2006-a-new-heart-for-dublin-progressive-democrat-proposals-for-a-new-high-rise-quarter-where-dublin-port-was-with-great-pics/

Colmustard

Sulla Felix wrote: »

Dredd is gonna kick our asses for sure.

They could do with an army of Dredds in Mexico city 22 million people and a right crime ridden kip.

The J Stands for Jay

galwayrush wrote: »

Craigavon combined with the population of some nearby towns is still smaller.

Couldn't quite remember, and was too lazy to check.

Aard

El_Dangeroso wrote: »

Planned towns/cities are always a terrible idea. I give you Shannon or Milton Keynes as examples.

The best cities are always ones that grow organically and as such have their own culture/community/identity. You can't create a culture out of thin air.

Though I wouldn't call them a terrible idea, you're right that planned cities/towns lack a cultural identity. It's the same if you build a new town, or if you greatly increase the population of a village, or even build a new large-scale city-district. Loads of people all move in at the same time. Generally all their kids leave the house at the same time, then they all die at the same time. Yes this is a huge exaggeration, but it's not too far off the truth. The result is that it usually takes at least a generation for these new areas to mesh with the existing hinterland.

So while there are a fair few negatives to building new towns/areas, let's not forget that populations are still rising and these people need somewhere to go. We can either do it estate-by-estate (sprawl, essentially), or we can plan. I'm not saying that new towns are universally well-planned, not in the least. But I do think that we will be seeing more of them in the future. (Most likely in the form of huge expansions of existing villages -- like Milton Keynes.) The trick then is to make sure it's done right, and not just thrown together with fancy marketing, like Adamstown.