UFC 151: Jones vs. Henderson

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Main Card
Light Heavyweight Jon Jones (c) vs Dan Henderson
Welterweight Jake Ellenberger vs Jay Hieron
Featherweight Dennis Siver vs Eddie Yagin
Lightweight Dennis Hallman vs Thiago Tavares
Flyweight John Lineker vs Yasuhiro Urush*tani

Preliminary Card (FX)
Lightweight Michael Johnson vs Danny Castillo
Bantamweight Takeya Mizugaki vs Jeff Hougland
Lightweight Tim Means vs Abel Trujillo
Lightweight Daron Cruickshank vs Henry Martinez

Preliminary Card (Facebook)
Lightweight Shane Roller vs Jacob Volkmann
Welterweight Kyle Noke vs Charlie Brenneman

PerrinV2

Just made the thread cause there's some preview vids up
Hendo smash!!!
Love this 1st one.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dWwkPG-lvMM

Preview

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ogLV8mgBZSw

El Guapo!

Can't wait for this fight. I really hope Hendo gets the ko. I think that's his only chance of beating Jones.

unknown13

Shogun / Henderson is showing for free on UFC.com. Here is the link:

Link to Fight

If anyone hasn't watched this fight, I would heavily suggest doing so. It was a serious fight and was widely considered Fight of the Year.

scudzilla

I got Hendo for this, said all along that he's gonna go in for the early finish, he ain't got he tank for a 5 rd fight.

If one of his bombs land Jones is out, no question, and Hendo has so much experience. Coutore (Randy not Kim) reckons he'll do it too.

Jones at 1/7 on Paddy Power is ridiculous, i'm gonna put a tenner each on 1st round and 2nd round ko's wins for Hendo (11/1 & 12/1 respectively)

Turbo_diesel

God I hope Hendo takes this!Lets hope he has been milling the TRT out of it.

El Guapo!

scudzilla wrote: »

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Jones at 1/7 on Paddy Power is ridiculous, i'm gonna put a tenner each on 1st round and 2nd round ko's wins for Hendo (11/1 & 12/1 respectively)

Those odds are unbelievable. I'll have a piece of that myself.

MrStuffins

Surprised by how quickly this fight has crept up with reletively no fanfare. There hasn't been a lot of press and hype for this, where there should be!

adamski8

MrStuffins wrote: »

Surprised by how quickly this fight has crept up with reletively no fanfare. There hasn't been a lot of press and hype for this, where there should be!

But if jones wins everyone will say it was a total mismatch and not worth hyping.
Im excited for the main event but not for any of the other fights so im not surprised at the lack of build up
Im kinda of surprised the roller volkman fight is so low down the card

JoeyJJ

First fight since Jones was a bad boy, they prob held back some of the hype and maybe Hendo wasn't into 24/7 type access. Jones has been giving out about TRT.

Hope Hendo lands and faceplants him into the mat, however I see Jones beat him using reach and footwork.

pauldoo

i would love hendo to win, i just cant see it happening. Jones has too much. Hendo will plod forward looking to let the right hand go, Jones well aware, keep hendo away with the reach and pick him apart till hendos tank goes empty

I really hope i'm wrong, don't like Jones at all

Jones is a beast, think hes the equivalent of getting a top fighter and putting them in a weight class below their own, and they dont have to cut weight-seems hes too big/strong and too good for the challengers

feelpablo

those odds are shocking!!
I'm gonna throw a few quid on hendo for rounds 1 and 2 as well but.......

Does any one think that Greg Jackson and his flipping boring game plans has told Jones to more or less stay away from Dan for the first three rounds and then attack when he has wore himself out???

would hate to see it go this way but we all know what Jackson and his game plans look like at this stage!

Any ways praying for a huge overhead right from Hendo and leave Jones flat on his ass!

El Guapo!

I say the gameplan for Jones is to keep circling away from the big right hand of Hendo and pick him off on the outside with kicks and use his reach. They both have great wrestling but I'd imagine Hendos wrestling is that bit better so jones won't want to get into a wrestling match with him.
Neither will Hendo though. If they get into the clinch, Jones has devastating elbows from there and Hendo won't want anything to do with that. I'd say his gameplan is to come out all guns blazing an try to take his head off early.

Dka e80

Rumors goin around tat this is off... Hendo t too high

Mr. Manager

Link to rumour here

El Guapo!

The rumour is that he's injured.
There's a story about it on Bloody Elbow but Im on the mobile so I can't link to it.
Hendo did tweet that he's fine though so I dunno if the rumours are true. Hope not.

Mr. Manager

A knee injury. Rumour has it that he's been seen wearing a knee brace.

Post from a site I found somewhere

FrontRowBrian from Twitter is now reporting that Henderson has been seen wearing a knee brace. If Brian says it then odds are there is truth to it.

Shazbot

Here's a link to a list of people on twitter dropping hints at what's going on. It's ranging from knee injury to elevated testosterone.

moongoose

it's all been a set up to get chael another title shot.....

Ian Whelan

If the main event is off then the card becomes very weak, can't see anybody stepping up to fight Jones at week's notice.

Mr Blobby

Ian Whelan wrote: »

If the main event is off then the card becomes very weak, can't see anybody stepping up to fight Jones at week's notice.

ENTER THE DRAGON !!!

http://tinyurl.com/cdj8x6f

pauldoo

if he is out, the fit heavy weights at the minute would be hammil, matusyenko and maybe machida

not too interested in seeing him fight the first 2

The card will be serioulsy weak if this fight goes

Ian Whelan

pauldoo wrote: »

if he is out, the fit heavy weights at the minute would be hammil, matusyenko and maybe machida

not too interested in seeing him fight the first 2

The card will be serioulsy weak if this fight goes

That's just a who's who of fighters that Jones has previously pummeled. It must be frustrating for the UFC when they are unable to find a legitimate match for a fighter.

El Guapo!

I seriously doubt anybody would step in to fight Jones on such short notice.
If he is out, the I reckon they'll have to just drop the fight altogether. It'll be a total disaster for the UFC.
I really hope it's all just rumours.

Mr. CooL ICE

Really hope its just rumours. FrontRowBrian (aka captain hindsight) is usually full of crap but this seems to be coming from multiple sources.

If Henderson wins, it'll be by team quest KO (left inside leg kick followed by overhand right). Otherwise, it will be another one-sided affair

Elysian

Looks confirmed now. The whole 151 event is scrapped, Jones is fighting Lyoto at 152.

Ian Whelan

Wow, apparently Chael Sonnen was offered Henderson's spot in the main event and accepted it only for Jones to decline. First ever UFC event to be cancelled. I'm actually quite glad now, i.e. Glad that I'll get to see Hendo v Jones in the future as opposed to some last minute massacre.

El Guapo!

Ian Whelan wrote: »

Wow, apparently Chael Sonnen was offered Henderson's spot in the main event and accepted it only for Jones to decline. First ever UFC event to be cancelled. I'm actually quite glad now, i.e. Glad that I'll get to see Hendo v Jones in the future as opposed to some last minute massacre.

You should check out the stuff Dana is saying about Jones and Greg Jackson! Seriously going mental!

Mr. Manager

Ian Whelan wrote: »

Wow, apparently Chael Sonnen was offered Henderson's spot in the main event and accepted it only for Jones to decline. First ever UFC event to be cancelled. I'm actually quite glad now, i.e. Glad that I'll get to see Hendo v Jones in the future as opposed to some last minute massacre.

Might turn out to be Hendo vs. Machida.

Professey Chin

Its gonna be Hendo Machida at 152 (which is now 151)

Tubbs4

The Great Chinholio wrote: »

Its gonna be Hendo Machida at 152 (which is now 151)

Jones is fighting machida at 151 now. or else Henderson vs Jones
I say you just wrote wrong

adamski8

Dean09 wrote: »

You should check out the stuff Dana is saying about Jones and Greg Jackson! Seriously going mental!

check it out where ?

El Guapo!

adamski8 wrote: »

check it out where ?

On twitter.
If you look in the Gerneral UFC news thread, there is a few of the tweets in there.

Professey Chin

Tubbs4 wrote: »

Jones is fighting machida at 151 now. or else Henderson vs Jones
I say you just wrote wrong

I did indeed :pac:
Although now 152 is staying 152 and 151 is just gone
And Jones hasnt officially agreed to fight Machida yet (White says they havent gotten the bout agreement back)

leggo

Dana is bang out of order for what he's saying about Jones. But he's a promoter and, as with any promoter, feels that if he pays someone they should do whatever he says.

It would be potential career suicide for Jones to take a fight against Sonnen on 8 days notice. Sonnen nearly beat Anderson once and dominated him for a round in the rematch, he's no bum. And he also has nothing to lose...if he got killed, that'd be expected. Jones has everything to lose.

Though it's easy for everyone else to criticise, would any of us, Dana or any other fighters risk everything we've worked our lives for to please the interests of others?

adamski8

leggo wrote: »

Dana is bang out of order for what he's saying about Jones. But he's a promoter and, as with any promoter, feels that if he pays someone they should do whatever he says.

It would be potential career suicide for Jones to take a fight against Sonnen on 8 days notice. Sonnen nearly beat Anderson once and dominated him for a round in the rematch, he's no bum. And he also has nothing to lose...if he got killed, that'd be expected. Jones has everything to lose.

Though it's easy for everyone else to criticise, would any of us, Dana or any other fighters risk everything we've worked our lives for to please the interests of others?

if he is the champ who has had a proper training camp against someone who is coming up from a division below it should be easy and a nice pay day. he is a fighter who was expected to fight and shouldnt be looking to piss off his employers. thats plenty of reason to agree to a bout.
how would he lose anything by agreeing to fight and beating a very well known fighter! i think he has lost a lot now by declincing as is now evident

Tubbs4

leggo wrote: »

Dana is bang out of order for what he's saying about Jones. But he's a promoter and, as with any promoter, feels that if he pays someone they should do whatever he says.

It would be potential career suicide for Jones to take a fight against Sonnen on 8 days notice. Sonnen nearly beat Anderson once and dominated him for a round in the rematch, he's no bum. And he also has nothing to lose...if he got killed, that'd be expected. Jones has everything to lose.

Though it's easy for everyone else to criticise, would any of us, Dana or any other fighters risk everything we've worked our lives for to please the interests of others?

Bisbing took him on at similar notice and because of that I never make fun of him. Bisbing got fans and turned his image around a lot with that fight.
The aim of champion is to beat any body put in front of you.
In old ufc you fought the winner of earlier fights that day.
Pride also did not pick the fighters.
He was know training Sonnen was not really
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He had fans to win for that and he would have a rematch if he lost

Yourwellcum

leggo wrote: »

Dana is bang out of order for what he's saying about Jones. But he's a promoter and, as with any promoter, feels that if he pays someone they should do whatever he says.

It would be potential career suicide for Jones to take a fight against Sonnen on 8 days notice. Sonnen nearly beat Anderson once and dominated him for a round in the rematch, he's no bum. And he also has nothing to lose...if he got killed, that'd be expected. Jones has everything to lose.

Though it's easy for everyone else to criticise, would any of us, Dana or any other fighters risk everything we've worked our lives for to please the interests of others?

Career suicide is turning down a fight. Zuffa is the big league when it comes to mma. Do you really think biting the hand that feeds you like this is a smart move? While they are not the only game in town, they are the only ones who give fighters any sort of mainstream exposure which is what brings in the big money

Vince135792003

Joe Lauzon wrote a good post on the situation:

"Not only has this screwed over all the fans that bought tickets, non refundable airfare, took off work, made arrangements, etc... but think of all the fighters. Fighters that put in full camps, flew people in that helped them trains, etc. By the time I am actually fight, I spend close to 20k between corners, flights, expenses, coaches, etc... and then to have the whole show cancelled because ONE guy didn't want to fight. This ONE guy that had trained an entire camp, who was the CHAMP and at the top of his weight class, who was going to fight someone who didn't do the camp, and was fighting UP a weight class.

I have always been a big Jon Jones supporter... but I would be FURIOUS if this happenned to me and I was on the card. To call is scorched earth wouldn't do it justice."

The Bored One

The only way I can describe the overall reaction to this on Sherdog and other forums is by calling it a rage-orgy.

El Guapo!

Here's the audio from the conference call:

leggo

What does "he's a fighter," actually mean though? This isn't the Karate Kid or a Bruce Lee movie based around some mythical, romanticised idea of what a fighter is, this is professional sports.

As expected, everyone is keen to get on their high horse about what he should've done. But again, nobody would have done the same in a similar situation. Jones was put in a no-win situation: either pull off a win as everyone expects, or lose everything you've worked for thanks to a poor, snap judgement call. He rightfully looked out for his own best interests and gets slammed.

It's not his fault Hendo got injured. It's not his fault UFC run so many cards that if a main event fighter goes down the undercard isn't strong enough to run on its own merits. If he fights, he's the only one putting his neck on the line. Sonnen is a hero regardless, Dana and the rest of The card get their payday as expected. It'd have been admirable if he did, but that doesn't mean he was obligated to.

And please, people talking about him burning bridges with Zuffa, remember Dana went all anti-Anderson a while back for fighting boring? Now he has to be surgically removed from his shaft. Dana and Zuffa have short term memories for big draws like Jones. They'll act like spoiled brats now but be singing his praises when he gets them all paid again in the future.

Yourwellcum

leggo wrote: »

What does "he's a fighter," actually mean though? This isn't the Karate Kid or a Bruce Lee movie based around some mythical, romanticised idea of what a fighter is, this is professional sports.

As expected, everyone is keen to get on their high horse about what he should've done. But again, nobody would have done the same in a similar situation. Jones was put in a no-win situation: either pull off a win as everyone expects, or lose everything you've worked for thanks to a poor, snap judgement call. He rightfully looked out for his own best interests and gets slammed.

It's not his fault Hendo got injured. It's not his fault UFC run so many cards that if a main event fighter goes down the undercard isn't strong enough to run on its own merits. If he fights, he's the only one putting his neck on the line. Sonnen is a hero regardless, Dana and the rest of The card get their payday as expected. It'd have been admirable if he did, but that doesn't mean he was obligated to.

And please, people talking about him burning bridges with Zuffa, remember Dana went all anti-Anderson a while back for fighting boring? Now he has to be surgically removed from his shaft. Dana and Zuffa have short term memories for big draws like Jones. They'll act like spoiled brats now but be singing his praises when he gets them all paid again in the future.

He has to actually fight though. Silva never refused a fight like this. He also never caused a card to be cancelled. Jones thinks becasue he has a big deal with nike now that he is bigger than the UFC, he isnt. He needs them more than they need him

El Guapo!

leggo wrote: »

What does "he's a fighter," actually mean though? This isn't the Karate Kid or a Bruce Lee movie based around some mythical, romanticised idea of what a fighter is, this is professional sports.

As expected, everyone is keen to get on their high horse about what he should've done. But again, nobody would have done the same in a similar situation. Jones was put in a no-win situation: either pull off a win as everyone expects, or lose everything you've worked for thanks to a poor, snap judgement call. He rightfully looked out for his own best interests and gets slammed.

I can see your point but he turned down Sonnens offer and then Weidman offered to fight him and he turned that down too. He's supposed to have gone through a full fight camp and be in top shape. He should be ready to fight anybody. I can kind of see it from his side too but I think he should've even accepted Weidmans offer if he was afraid to fight Sonnen.

leggo wrote: »

UFC run so many cards that if a main event fighter goes down the undercard isn't strong enough to run on its own merits.

This is very true. I think the UFC need to take a lesson from this and stop having one fight carry a whole card.

scudzilla

Dean09 wrote: »

This is very true. I think the UFC need to take a lesson from this and stop having one fight carry a whole card.

Except if it's for Fox when the top 3 fights are quality :rolleyes:

Can anyone imagine Chuck doing this a few years back? He'd have fought anyone, that's what makes a great fcukin champion, not a CHUMP like Jones (He's still not taken my twitter bait, but i guess he's avoiding the interwebs at moment)

leggo

Where are you getting it from that this has anything to do with Nike? Are you sure you're not just making a snap correspondence between the last two stories you read about Jon Jones?

If he had to fight, do you not think Dana would've made him fight? Fact is that he agreed to defend against Hendo at 151, no problem. He was happy to fulfill his end of the bargain. Now UFC are trying to paint him as the bad guy because they don't have a Plan B. He had every right to turn down a completely different fight, with his belt on the line, on 8 days notice. He's agreed to fight Lyoto at 152/151 Part 2.

If you believe Dana is pissed about anything other than now having to give refunds because of his overall poor contingency planning, you're extremely gullible.

El Guapo!

scudzilla wrote: »

(He's still not taken my twitter bait, but i guess he's avoiding the interwebs at moment)

He has refused to take calls from Helwani.
This is the only thing he's tweeted today:

Jon Bones Jones ‏@JonnyBones
"And therefore those skilled in war bring the enemy to the field of battle and are not brought there by him" - Sun Tzu

He's full of shít imo.

And Ben Henderson is seriously licking his arse on twitter since the news broke.

Roar

leggo wrote: »

Where are you getting it from that this has anything to do with Nike? Are you sure you're not just making a snap correspondence between the last two stories you read about Jon Jones?

If he had to fight, do you not think Dana would've made him fight? Fact is that he agreed to defend against Hendo at 151, no problem. He was happy to fulfill his end of the bargain. Now UFC are trying to paint him as the bad guy because they don't have a Plan B. He had every right to turn down a completely different fight, with his belt on the line, on 8 days notice. He's agreed to fight Lyoto at 152/151 Part 2.

If you believe Dana is pissed about anything other than now having to give refunds because of his overall poor contingency planning, you're extremely gullible.

Mightily confused by this. A guy pulls out of a fight 9 days out from an event. The UFC arrange an opponent on INCREDIBLY short notice, but they have no contingency plan according to you? Their champion is refusing to fight, there's not much else they can do. The event is cancelled because of Jones, no one else. He's supposed to be a champion, grow a pair of balls and step up and fight. The UFC had a contingency plan, Jones refused. It's all on him.

The UFC don't have to paint Bones as the bad guy, fans are gonna see a UFC champion ducking a fight and lose a lot of respect for him, as I have. He's lost a LOT of credibility after that and the next fight he has he is going to be booed out of the building. He'd better get used to being the bad guy, because he most certainly is after this.

adamski8

Dean09 wrote: »

He has refused to take calls from Helwani.
This is the only thing he's tweeted today:

He's full of shít imo.

And Ben Henderson is seriously licking his arse on twitter since the news broke.

yeah actually confirms mine and many others opinions of benson. both him and jones look to be cut with the same cloth, try to act like the classy guys ever, above everyone when actually they show how classless they actually are.

leggo

You think that UFC should be credited for their Plan B being "hope this fighter will agree to a risky, completely different fight days before the event"? Really??

Fighters have gotten injured before main event bouts before. A UFC event has never had to be cancelled before. Why's that?

Well beforehand, UFC have either had a meaty co-main event that could sub in as the main event, or could re-jig the card enough to make it worthwhile.

Nowadays, we see it nearly every show, a big fight is scrapped because of injury. We usually end up seeing Plan B cards, and regularly get sub-standard ones in their place because so many potential replacements are either coming off fights, injured or simply not prepared. There's been grumbles that UFC are going more quantity over quality for a while now.

And it's bitten them in the arse. They left an entire PPV on the hope that the main event wouldn't be scrapped, and it was. OF COURSE Sonnen and Weidman would take the fights, they'll never have a better shot at Jones. Jones and Jackson know this too. Don't let the UFC off the hook because their fighters see through their attempts to profit off them regardless of a headline name's best interest.

Do the fans see this? No, they just want to see two men punch each other. That's why we're fans and not in a position to advise professional sportsmen. And the fact they can't realise when the UFC is trying to bully one of its fighters into a poor decision, for the sake of profit and nothing more, only proves my point.

adamski8

this is different, this injury happened just a week before the event and they already had to rejig fights with koscheck being a notable name missing to injury