Modding Ban ?

Jimbob 83

http://www.the-ace.org.uk/armageddon/#more-901

EU wide car modification ban to be implemented, alot of jobs will be lost alone if it's not just scaremongering

AltAccount

Does this redefine roadworthiness for all countries in the EU? Would it apply to NCT standards or would it be for all cars and the Gardai put you off the road?

Jimbob 83

Well from what i can see, only EU standard approved modification parts would be legal, but thats still not going to be good for anyone whose car is to become illegal after it's passed and yes NCT is where it would be checked and if car has illegal modification it's declared unroadworthy.

Chris_Heilong

Sounds like Europe is throwing its fat around:mad:

imagine a gray market where all cars look the same and most people will be driving Euro build ****.

Jimbob 83

I can agree with it's goals but most modifications are for same or better quality parts

Hay_man

Will this mean no more blindly blue lights?

Jimbob 83

Hay_man wrote: »

Will this mean no more blindly blue lights?

Aftermarket Xenons are a curse anyway, as its generally a xenon bulb in s atandard light cluster which doesn't focus the beam correctly hence the blinding

goz83

What a load of BS. I doubt this will come in. There will be too much backlash and they will try a softer approach, if they're serious about it. It will end up banning the likes of induction kits and after market exhausts.

Chris_Heilong

goz83 wrote: »

What a load of BS. I doubt this will come in. There will be too much backlash and they will try a softer approach, if they're serious about it. It will end up banning the likes of induction kits and after market exhausts.

and wheels, if your car came with 14" your stuck with 14".

chrismon

This should be interesting see what happens.

Atomic Pineapple

Doesn't this pop up from time to time but nothing ever gets passed or implemented?

colm_mcm

No more rs4 TDIs. Oh no.

166man

When I read the thread title I thought it was about some mods banning other mods on the forum. Then I read the actual thread and realised it was time for bed...:o

Vicxas

So essentially you wouldnt be able to modify your car at all?


That wont pass, modification is big money and would hinder the EU more than help it.

Modified cars arent the problem, its the people who drive them like an idiot that are.

ShadowHearth

Wel they want to hit the modified cars, but they will hit every car on the road.

Simple things like aftermarket wheels wount pass nct. What about tyres? Only use the brand that was on it from new? So if I want better tyres I won't be able to put them up.
Cats and exhaust only from main dealer for gazzilion euros, when you can get way better quality aftermarket stuff for fraction of the price.

This might be one of the most stupidest laws ever created.

Neilw

Manufacturers will just start offering upgrades from the factory, vw already have a line of mods available i.e, their vw motorsport coilover suspension is made by kw. Ford have lowering springs made by eibach.

ScouseMouse

If the cops and nct cannot sort out the arseholes with the loud exhausts that wake my kids at night, how are they going to enforce this?

ShadowHearth

Neilw wrote: »

Manufacturers will just start offering upgrades from the factory, vw already have a line of mods available i.e, their vw motorsport coilover suspension is made by kw. Ford have lowering springs made by eibach.

That's what they are trying to do. Every single aftermarket mod is a loss for caramufacturer. With this new law they will make a monopoly where you be able to get upgradable parts only from dealer.

JBokeh

Or it will end up with people just spending a bit of time before the NCT putting the car back to standard,then after it putting al the stuff back on it. I do it to mine just to save the hassle of a retest for the DOE,only takes an hour or two anyways.

It will be some pain in the hole,all the cars out there will end up looking the same,and most of them are silver anyway!

ShadowHearth

superscouse wrote: »

If the cops and nct cannot sort out the arseholes with the loud exhausts that wake my kids at night, how are they going to enforce this?

I bet your kids are immune to big trucks and Harley motorbikes.

ScouseMouse

ShadowHearth wrote: »

I bet your kids are immune to big trucks and Harley motorbikes.

I live at the bottom of a long straight hill and they stop outside my house, then take off like a drag race. Artics cannot get onto my road and harleys dont stop, rev like hell, then take off. :rolleyes:

martyc5674

superscouse wrote: »

If the cops and nct cannot sort out the arseholes with the loud exhausts that wake my kids at night, how are they going to enforce this?

That's my only gripe too.
Speed ramp outside my house.... They speed up to it, brake hard, limp over it in their POS evo/civic/passat then floor it for 50 metres and repeat for each speed bump.
I'd love to know their fuel economy over this stretch if road.
Marty.

ShadowHearth

superscouse wrote: »

I live at the bottom of a long straight hill and they stop outside my house, then take off like a drag race. Artics cannot get onto my road and harleys dont stop, rev like hell, then take off. :rolleyes:

So maybe it's not the exhaust fault, but the driver? "insert rolly eyes, because those are so awesome"

"it's not a consumer issue, it's a fecking eejit issue"

Dara O'Briain

copeyhagen

lets turn europe into north korea

Bohrio

Sad to see this, Spain is already like this, you can't even change the color of your brake calipers, doesnt matter if they aree the same type/size...

In consequence people keep their original parts and then swap them before the test but if the change is too obvious the police might stop you and take your car!

FearDark

Vicxas wrote: »

Modified cars arent the problem, its the people who drive them like an idiot that are.

I have 15" Rota wheels instead of my standard hubs that came on my car, am I an idiot?

eth0

European sh1tbags are at it again, first they had a go at the motorcyclists now ordinary car drivers will be getting a hassling.

Drummerboy08

This won't make European roads a safer place, won't reduce carbon emissions, won't really do any good full stop.

All it will do is bring us one step closer to being a complete nanny state and drive an ever growing black market ala Fast and the furious.

If the government actually enforced the existing laws in place there would be no need for this.

kneemos

ShadowHearth wrote: »

So maybe it's not the exhaust fault, but the driver? "insert rolly eyes, because those are so awesome"

"it's not a consumer issue, it's a fecking eejit issue"

Dara O'Briain

If the feckin eejits could'nt get thier hands on the exhausts we would'nt have to listen to the feckin eejits.

Drummerboy08

kneemos wrote: »

ShadowHearth wrote: »

So maybe it's not the exhaust fault, but the driver? "insert rolly eyes, because those are so awesome"

"it's not a consumer issue, it's a fecking eejit issue"

Dara O'Briain

If the feckin eejits could'nt get thier hands on the exhausts we would'nt have to listen to the feckin eejits.

You shouldn't really be posting on a motors forum if that's your attitude. There's a lot of tar on that brush of yours.

eth0

I suspect this is part of a greater plan to force everyone into driverless cars like the ones made by Google. Things might eventually be a lot more boring than just no modified cars

ShadowHearth

kneemos wrote: »

If the feckin eejits could'nt get thier hands on the exhausts we would'nt have to listen to the feckin eejits.

Drugs are illegal, somehow Eejits still able to get them.

Let generalise everyone so? I hate people who go to pubs. They all stinky, drunk, time wasting, money wasting low lifes. Hows that for ya?

Just because few people rev the the bejaysus out of their 1.4 civic with loud exhaust, it does not mean that everyone who has aftermarket exhaust does it.

mitosis

So, did anyone read the actual document? Or just the ACE blog? It's not about modified cars, it's about standardised tests for roadworthiness. The only reference to modification in the document refers to modification of EU regulations.

kneemos

ShadowHearth wrote: »

Drugs are illegal, somehow Eejits still able to get them.

Let generalise everyone so? I hate people who go to pubs. They all stinky, drunk, time wasting, money wasting low lifes. Hows that for ya?

Just because few people rev the the bejaysus out of their 1.4 civic with loud exhaust, it does not mean that everyone who has aftermarket exhaust does it.

The same applies to drugs and drink,if you can't get them you can't rev them.

ScouseMouse

kneemos wrote: »

The same applies to drugs and drink,if you can't get them you can't rev them.

How do you rev drink and drugs?

(sorry couldnt resist it:D)

ShadowHearth

kneemos wrote: »

The same applies to drugs and drink,if you can't get them you can't rev them.

/facepalm

kneemos

If anybodys interested in organising it we got rid of those exhausts around here after a series of public protests,nothing was done at first,but when the protesters told the police they would take matters into thier own hands they published a warning in the local paper saying they woule be clamping down and informing insurance companies of thier modifications.Got rid of the "feckin eejits"overnight.

Drummerboy08

kneemos wrote: »

If anybodys interested in organising it we got rid of those exhausts around here after a series of public protests,nothing was done at first,but when the protesters told the police they would take matters into thier own hands they published a warning in the local paper saying they woule be clamping down and informing insurance companies of thier modifications.Got rid of the "feckin eejits"overnight.

Where do you live, communist Russia?

Once it's legal, I'll do what I want to my car. If someone has a problem with that and the threaten to take matters into their own hands, I'll be complaining to gardai.

Stupid attitude to have imo.

kneemos

Drummerboy08 wrote: »

Where do you live, communist Russia?

Once it's legal, I'll do what I want to my car. If someone has a problem with that and the threaten to take matters into their own hands, I'll be complaining to gardai.

Stupid attitude to have imo.

Just tellin what happened.

Drummerboy08

kneemos wrote: »

Drummerboy08 wrote: »

Where do you live, communist Russia?

Once it's legal, I'll do what I want to my car. If someone has a problem with that and the threaten to take matters into their own hands, I'll be complaining to gardai.

Stupid attitude to have imo.

Just tellin what happened.

Right, where did this happen?

When did this happen?

What did the gardai say when they were told people will take matters into their own hands?

Who was driving these cars - locals or otherwise?

You're being very vague with what exactly happened here. The only thing I've gotten from your posts is you hate feckin eejits (turning yourself into one of these on this forum so far) and that you were part of a boyracer hunting mob.

martyc5674

Drummerboy08 wrote: »

kneemos wrote: »

If anybodys interested in organising it we got rid of those exhausts around here after a series of public protests,nothing was done at first,but when the protesters told the police they would take matters into thier own hands they published a warning in the local paper saying they woule be clamping down and informing insurance companies of thier modifications.Got rid of the "feckin eejits"overnight.

Where do you live, communist Russia?

Once it's legal, I'll do what I want to my car. If someone has a problem with that and the threaten to take matters into their own hands, I'll be complaining to gardai.

Stupid attitude to have imo.

That's all fine if it's not annoying people.
Try putting kids to bed/naps and some donkey is outside revving up his scooby.

ShadowHearth

kneemos wrote: »

If anybodys interested in organising it we got rid of those exhausts around here after a series of public protests,nothing was done at first,but when the protesters told the police they would take matters into thier own hands they published a warning in the local paper saying they woule be clamping down and informing insurance companies of thier modifications.Got rid of the "feckin eejits"overnight.

I lost some faith in to human kind just now.

kneemos

I was'nt involved but they were congregating around a residential area, the locals got well fed up.To answer your questions Drummerboy I presume the guards gave a measured response,they were fed up as well,they were getting hundreds of complaints every week.It took place in Enniscorthy I think about a year and a half ago.Still working.

Drummerboy08

kneemos wrote: »

I was'nt involved but they were congregating around a residential area, the locals got well fed up.To answer your questions Drummerboy I presume the guards gave a measured response,they were fed up as well,they were getting hundreds of complaints every week.It took place in Enniscorthy I think about a year and a half ago.Still working.

To be fair it's not really working because all you've done is move these people up the road to Bunclody.

ScouseMouse

There is nothing wrong with applying pressure to the cops. We all know they are understaffed and underresourced, but we do need them to clamp down.

They can do it when they want to. Maybe we could pressurise them to pay a bit more attention to this problem.

Acting the bollix outside my 2 year olds bedroom window is not on and they dont give a damn.

awec

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Dartz

Am I the only person who thinks 'Genuine Mnufacturer Parts' will jump in price after this?

sbkenn

About bloody time. As someone else said ... blindy lights, coloured lights(I have seen green side-lights), extra loud stereos, and in particular, loud exhausts. Alloy wheels are not a problem, nor should they be, but messing with the geometry of the vehicle(lowered or raised suspension) is, as is additional power.
Having said that, and again, as someone else said ... it's not the nut ON the wheel, it is the nut BEHIND the wheel that is the real problem.
A car is a potentiaslly lethal piece of machinery, and one that is the instrument of death and destruction far beyond all industrial accidents. It is an often misguided missile, why is it so exempt from regulation.
Modification parts are not big business in business terms, only in the mind of people who like to play on the road.

Atomic Pineapple

sbkenn wrote: »

Modification parts are not big business in business terms, only in the mind of people who like to play on the road.

Well this governs non manufacturer parts as a modification too so in that case it is big business, if this comes into effect you'll have no choice but to pay the price Ford/Toyota/Mazda etc.. ask for their parts and not have a third party choice replacement at more realistic prices.

sbkenn

I don't believe there is any intention to hit "pattern" parts ... parts for maintenance purposes, only ones that are deliberately designed as modifications.

draffodx wrote: »

Well this governs non manufacturer parts as a modification too so in that case it is big business, if this comes into effect you'll have no choice but to pay the price Ford/Toyota/Mazda etc.. ask for their parts and not have a third party choice replacement at more realistic prices.

Atomic Pineapple

sbkenn wrote: »

I don't believe there is any intention to hit "pattern" parts ... parts for maintenance purposes, only ones that are deliberately designed as modifications.

Why don't you believe it? Even today in Irish law anything replaced on the car that is not from the manufacturer of said car is considered a modification.