The Wild Card Advice Thread

shadowcomplex

I know its early but I've played mine besides its has valid for gameweek 2 as it is for game week 20

OneColdHand

shadowcomplex wrote: »

I know its early but I've played mine besides its has valid for gameweek 2 as it is for game week 20

Disagree completely. It's very hard to guage after 1 week what players are going to be good and which aren't. Injuries stack up over the course of the season, but going into GW1 you should have no injured players. (Obvioulsy Aguero could be in trouble now, but that should necessitate using the WC).

shadowcomplex

OneColdHand wrote: »

Disagree completely. It's very hard to guage after 1 week what players are going to be good and which aren't. Injuries stack up over the course of the season, but going into GW1 you should have no injured players. (Obvioulsy Aguero could be in trouble now, but that should necessitate using the WC).

When I say its Valid I don't mean as in its a good decision, its Valid because its available to use as stupid as that decision may be, (Drink is a curse )

dahat

Wow,days if not weeks of planning and reasearching a team and you effectively blow it away in 1 week..........you made sh1te choices it seems........

Fizman

As others have said......the absolute earliest you should play your WC should be after GW3, so you have the full international fixtures window to mull over things.

If you play your WC now, your 'new team' could be fecked by the time the international window is over.

carlcon

Title: Wild Card Advice Thread

Advice: Don't use it yet.

/thread

The absolute earliest you should use it, no matter how bad you think you are, is after GW3 during the international break. And even that is arguably too early.

Honestly, if you've used it, you're screwed. One game per player is not enough to go on. Michu may not score again for months. QPR could win their next 2 games convincingly. Liverpool could have awesome home games against City and Arsenal. Bale could score a ton of points playing at home in the next 2 games.

Far too many variables to consider that haven't happened yet.

GLaDOS

Usually wait 5 or 6 weeks then play it, give it a chance to see who's in best form. Can then change things up again come the transfer window.

Paully D

I can see why people may want to use it now as they'd be able to get the likes of Michu in before they inevitably rise in price but yeah I'd wait until the international break.

Benimar

shadowcomplex wrote: »

When I say its Valid I don't mean as in its a good decision, its Valid because its available to use as stupid as that decision may be, (Drink is a curse )

At least you admit it!

Best of luck with it, but I'm not sure you will get much advice from anyone. It's simply too early to make any judgements after 9 games. Out of interest you should post your current team, just in case there is anything glaring people can help with.

shadowcomplex

It was a retarded decision, the team im coming up with is very similar to what I already had, anyway the WC is usually a crux on my back that usually gets played early anyway I finished last season on 2204 points so I don't think i'm screwed

Anyway heres the team

DeaGea
Henderson

Zabelata
Bertrand
clyne
Gorkess
mccartney

Kagawa
Hazard
Michu
Nolan
Carzola

VPersie
Tevez
Petric

Posada

shadowcomplex wrote: »

It was a retarded decision, the team im coming up with is very similar to what I already had, anyway the WC is usually a crux on my back that usually gets played early anyway I finished last season on 2204 points so I don't think i'm screwed

Anyway heres the team

DeaGea
Henderson

Zabelata
Bertrand
clyne
Gorkess
mccartney

Kagawa
Hazard
Michu
Nolan
Carzola

VPersie
Tevez
Petric

Watching the games will be great fun for you. Goaltastic.

caromike

A mate of mine uses his in week one every year purely to benefit from the prices rising as people swap one or two players after the first round, eg Michu .

I never really understood how he managed it, but he always had way more money to play with for the season from using this tactic. It obviously starts a small increase, but as the season moves along and everyones team value rises a bit, he was always way ahead and so could buy a better starting 11 than most. He reckons its the best time to use it for this reason, and the extra wc at xmas helps in case it all goes tits up by then.

Given I had aguero and another who needed changing anyway, I tried same thing today, and just played my wc in the hope of increasing team value, but not sure if it'll work! he puts a lot more thought into things than I do!!

time will tell

shadowcomplex

caromike wrote: »

A mate of mine uses his in week one every year purely to benefit from the prices rising as people swap one or two players after the first round, eg Michu .

I never really understood how he managed it, but he always had way more money to play with for the season from using this tactic. It obviously starts a small increase, but as the season moves along and everyones team value rises a bit, he was always way ahead and so could buy a better starting 11 than most. He reckons its the best time to use it for this reason, and the extra wc at xmas helps in case it all goes tits up by then.

Given I had aguero and another who needed changing anyway, I tried same thing today, and just played my wc in the hope of increasing team value, but not sure if it'll work! he puts a lot more thought into things than I do!!

time will tell

I do that too, alot of my transfers are based on increasing values on fiso, I got my team value up to 110 million last year

Shane732

shadowcomplex wrote: »

I know its early but I've played mine besides its has valid for gameweek 2 as it is for game week 20

Wow! Fail.

shadowcomplex

Shane732 wrote: »

Wow! Fail.

I already said it was a bad move and drink was involved, do you really think its necessary to rub it in. Lets see where you finish this year

darego

wildcard used. very fcuking early but well needed

Theboinkmaster

shadowcomplex wrote: »

I know its early but I've played mine besides its has valid for gameweek 2 as it is for game week 20

Absolute madness, not only played after gw1 but gw1 not even complete yet.

I'll probably play mine around gw3, but ill see how things pan out.

Iused2likebusts

Best time to play wildcard is between GW3 & 4. By this stage you know everyones preferred starting eleven and the transfer window is closed. Also great scope to make some easy profit by transferring in and out players that have a good gw3 and will more than likely go up .2 before gw4 as there is 2 weeks between games and people make more transfers than usual these weeks

Joeyjoejoe43

Id have to agree with the others here, the earliest I would play it would be gameweek 4/5 (maybe 3 at a push), as you need this many games for a pattern to emerge as well as to see if managers continue to line out the way they did in week 1.. Equally however, I think one can hold onto the wildcard for too long, as the longer you leave it, the more the prices of preferred players will increase, this is especially the case now that there is a 2nd wildcard. The last 3 years, I have used the wildcard around GW5 and enjoyed a very good season from there on..

jcunning

shadowcomplex wrote: »

I already said it was a bad move and drink was involved, do you really think its necessary to rub it in. Lets see where you finish this year

Don't worry about it, you've saved yourself a ton of transfer penalty points this way. Hopefully between Gameweek 2 and 11:30am 1 Jan 2012, you can save up the odd transfer and don't have to spend a single point on transfers before the second wildcard kicks in.

Who knows, saving those transfer penalty points now could mean you don't have to go out on a limb and captain fantasy island risks when it comes to crunch time in your mini-league.

If it's any consolation, I got a season low score of 22pts after using my Wildcard. Sounds like you don't need any advice with 2204pts last year.

carlcon

Out of interest, what's your score this week so far with the team you decided to get rid of?

eagle eye

Personally I'm of the opinion that you use the wildcard when you really feel you need to and if thats after gameweek 1 then fine.

I can imagine if you have VDV, Giroud, Aguero, Shorey, Ramires then you would need to use it after this week as you are in serious trouble. I'd use it if I had four of those players tbh.

I wouldn't use it just because my team didn't have a great score if all the players did start.

jcunning

eagle eye wrote: »

I can imagine if you have VDV, Giroud, Aguero, Shorey, Ramires then you would need to use it after this week as you are in serious trouble.

Just out of interest, if you had those players would there be any validity in spending 20pts just to save your wildcard for later? There's thirty-seven weeks left...

eagle eye

jcunning wrote: »

Just out of interest, if you had those players would there be any validity in spending 20pts just to save your wildcard for later? There's thirty-seven weeks left...

No way I'd ever take a 20 point hit.

If/When you have to make a decision that includes a 4 point hit you have to look at the player who you are bringing in and his points per game. You can go deeper than that and look at home and away ppg which is what I'd do in a situation like that. If the player you are thinking of bringing is not likely to gain you back your 4 points that week and thats after taking into account the player you are transferring out then you don't do it. Key to this game is not transferring when its costing you points unless you are in a very good situation with the transfer.

jcunning

Thanks for taking the time to reply eagle eye. With everyone talking about Gameweek 2 wildcards and jumping on bandwagons early to beat the price rises, I wondered if that was a viable solution.

S.M.B.

I've got a feeling that value isn't going to be as key a part to success this season so the Gameweek 3 wildcard might not be for me.

I just think there's a lot of points to be had at a reasonable price so maximising team value may be a little less important than usual.

shadowcomplex

carlcon wrote: »

Out of interest, what's your score this week so far with the team you decided to get rid of?

45 with Torres(c) and Hazard still to play

My Team was

Deagea


Zabaleta
Gorkss
Mccartney

kagawa
hazard
bale
carzola
y toure

torres
teves

shadowcomplex

Should I get Nasri in?

Fizman

There really wasn't a whole lot wrong with that squad (I know you already pointed out drink had something to do with it ).

shadowcomplex

This is what Im coming up with

DeaGea
Henderson

Chico
Cuellar
Ridgewell
McCartney
Fonte

Kagawa
Nolan
Hazard
Michu
Carzola

VPersie
Tevez
Graham

Go heavy on swansea players for the next few gameweeks, plan to get petric in for graham once fulhams fixtures get better and chico in for ridgewell, shawcross or hangeland

OneColdHand

So you're getting rid of Bale, who had a tough opening away fixture, and getting in someone else when Bales next 4 fixtures are a lot easier?!

Benimar

OneColdHand wrote: »

So you're getting rid of Bale, who had a tough opening away fixture, and getting in someone else when Bales next 4 fixtures are a lot easier?!

Shadowcomplex, I know that drink had a lot to do with you wildcarding, but you are now making the mistake of chasing last weeks points.

Look at the fixtures and see who has 'nice' games coming up eg: Spurs and Swansea at home the next two weeks. You can't really go on 'form' as yet, as one game doesn't equate to 'form'!

Bring back in Bale for CAZORLA. Cazorla has away games at Stoke and Liverpool to come, which won't be easy, especially if Arsenal can't get someone to put it in the net.

I'd also have a 'big hitter' from Man City in defence. They will pick up the most/2nd most clean sheets over the season.

carlcon

shadowcomplex wrote: »

45 with Torres(c) and Hazard still to play

My Team was

Deagea


Zabaleta
Gorkss
Mccartney

kagawa
hazard
bale
carzola
y toure

torres
teves

Serious madness, dude. Absolutely nothing wrong with that score or that team. Looks like you WC'd simply because you didn't have Michu and Petric.

Michu in for Toure or Hazard would have set you up just fine for GW2, then use the savings to swap Torres out for whoever looked good over 2 games.

That would have left you with no waste during GW3, then allowing you to make an informed WC if you really wanted to during the international break.

I know this info is all worthless to you, since what's done is done, but I'm hoping others read this and save themselves a lot of hassle in the future.

darego

wildcarded it. half regret it haha oh well :pac: :pac: would u guys make any changes if you wildcarded?

shadowcomplex

darego wrote: »

wildcarded it. half regret it haha oh well :pac: :pac: would u guys make any changes if you wildcarded?

Good Team, I would swap petric for graham for the time being though as he has much better fixtures, I would also try and fit in Kagawa somewhere, if you can find 0.5m you can swap him for sessegnon, downgrading kaboul to ridgewell , hangeland or chico would do if for you

SlickRic

a lot of those wildcarding this week will no doubt have given up for this season by the end of September.

as was already pointed out, there is no point in wildcarding if all your good players started but simply didn't score this week. one week is not enough information to decide on any players really.

even Michu isn't a guarantee, as certainly Swansea aren't.

GW3, barring an absolute disaster of a first week where 4 or more of your players didn't start and you got barely any points, is the earliest the wildcard should be used IMO.

darego

shadowcomplex wrote: »

Good Team, I would swap petric for graham for the time being though as he has much better fixtures, I would also try and fit in Kagawa somewhere, if you can find 0.5m you can swap him for sessegnon, downgrading kaboul to ridgewell , hangeland or chico would do if for you

cheers. i'v been chopping and changing every few hours trying to get kagawa in! the thought was to have kaboul for the next 2 home fixtures as i can see spurs getting 2 CS then changing him for a united 5.5 defenders (rafeal or smalling) for the rest of the season. i need .5 to get him in so i was thinking either VDV or siggy for bale then sess > kagawa. i can't see where else i could save .5

shadowcomplex

SlickRic wrote: »

a lot of those wildcarding this week will no doubt have given up for this season by the end of September.

as was already pointed out, there is no point in wildcarding if all your good players started but simply didn't score this week. one week is not enough information to decide on any players really.

even Michu isn't a guarantee, as certainly Swansea aren't.

GW3, barring an absolute disaster of a first week where 4 or more of your players didn't start and you got barely any points, is the earliest the wildcard should be used IMO.

I for one wont be giving up,i Live for this,you have no idea.Alotof the players I have are going to be among the high scorers at the end of the season

Jax Teller

shadowcomplex wrote: »

I for one wont be giving up,i Live for this,you have no idea.Alotof the players I have are going to be among the high scorers at the end of the season

Why didn't you pick them in the first week so ?

Fizman

shadowcomplex wrote: »

I for one wont be giving up,i Live for this,you have no idea.Alotof the players I have are going to be among the high scorers at the end of the season

Just had a look at your team and the following popped into my head:

DeaGea
Henderson (West Ham - will never play)

Chico (Swansea)
Cuellar (Sunderland)
Ridgewell (West Brom)
McCartney (West Hame)
Fonte (Southampton)

Kagawa
Nolan
Hazard
Michu
Carzola

VPersie
Tevez
Graham


I put their teams in brackets because it outlines how weakly represented you are.

Your entire midfield, bar Nolan, are all brand new to the PL.

To me, your squad is far from complete, particularly for someone who has just played their WC. I'd nearly go as far as saying your squad was stronger pre-WC, which you obviously don't want to hear, but I'm just critiquing it.

You seem to have picked a squad, entirely off the back of GW1's performance.

shadowcomplex

I know henderson wont play but im counting on Dea Gea playing every gamewhich I know is a riskwith lindegard around but his performance against everton gives me confidence he will wont be dropped

Lots of people go the cheap defender route and just rotate and play whoever is at home and leave on the the away players on the bench,fulham sunderland and swansea are fairly solid at home

I dont really subscribe to having to have a defender from a top team,defenders scoring goals is a rare enough occurnace but with the way the premierleague is any team even the top teams concede goals,okthe topdefenders usually outscore the defs from weaker teams but the difference is much bigger with the midfielders and strikers between the big and small teams

With regards your other comments with picking players that didnt play in the premierleague last year, kagawa,hazard and michu scored over 15 goals from midfield last yearin their respective leagues and with vanpersie gone corzola will be the main man,he wont get the goals of kagawa or hazard but he will be an assist master

shadowcomplex

shadowcomplex wrote: »

I know henderson wont play but im counting on Dea Gea playing every gamewhich I know is a riskwith lindegard around but his performance against everton gives me confidence he will wont be dropped

Lots of people go the cheap defender route and just rotate and play whoever is at home and leave on the the away players on the bench,fulham sunderland and swansea are fairly solid at home

I dont really subscribe to having to have a defender from a top team,defenders scoring goals is a rare enough occurnace but with the way the premierleague is any team even the top teams concede goals,okthe topdefenders usually outscore the defs from weaker teams but the difference is much bigger with the midfielders and strikers between the big and small teams

With regards your other comments with picking players that didnt play in the premierleague last year, kagawa,hazard and michu scored over 15 goals from midfield last yearin their respective leagues and with vanpersie gone corzola will be the main man,he wont get the goals of kagawa or hazard but he will be an assist master

I'm some spa , I ended up with 70 pts

Mr. Incognito

I played mine.

Last year I waited for the International Break and made some value.

The year before I WCded gameweek 1 and ended up 320th odd in the world based purely on team value allowing me to have a savage midfield.

I played it because wanted Baines for Ferdinand and Augerio out and it was a pain making up the value plus Clyne, SWP and Stevens look like bench warmers.

So that is 5 players that are dodge so yoink.

Still got 84 points and 65K odd in the world so hoping it will spring some green arrows next week

It CAN work week one

Rosie1994

be curious in seeing what changes you made Mr. Incognito :pac:

Fizman

Mr. Incognito wrote: »

I played mine.

Last year I waited for the International Break and made some value.

The year before I WCded gameweek 1 and ended up 320th odd in the world based purely on team value allowing me to have a savage midfield.

I played it because wanted Baines for Ferdinand and Augerio out and it was a pain making up the value plus Clyne, SWP and Stevens look like bench warmers.

So that is 5 players that are dodge so yoink.

Still got 84 points and 65K odd in the world so hoping it will spring some green arrows next week

It CAN work week one

I think you're a mad hoor!

Mr. Incognito

Rosie1994 wrote: »

be curious in seeing what changes you made Mr. Incognito :pac:

Sure

Ferdinand -> Baines

Augerio -> Rooney

Torres -> Petric (still thinking over Graham, I actually think Fulham will be okay at home this season and may keep Petric and bench him for Utd game)

SWP -> Dyer
Gutherie-> Michu
Stevens-> Jenkinson

My team value is now 99.9 with 0.4 in the bank.

Dyer and Michu will rise on the sheep that will transfer them in for the next two weeks and I can either sell Dyer to Kranc and Petric to Graham after rises etc to bank some money.

I also think SWP will come good after their awful fixtures and I am going to ride that pony later in the year

My core team is going to stay the same most of the season and its these bitty bench players that you make your money to upgrade later.

For the record my core players are

Baines, Ivanovic, Clichy, Lamps, Siggy, Tevez, Rooney

Barring injury I will be keeping them and chopping around them to increase value and upgrade.

Hey, it has worked ever year for me.

Finishes:

2006/07 1964 12154
2007/08 2246 2853
2008/09 2159 389
2009/10 2177 98579
2010/11 2045 39324
2011/12 2084 53673

And I have always wildcarded early.Didnt realise my 389 was so long ago. Starting to feel old.
That year I had a midfield of Arteta, Fabregas, Gerrard and Lampard and had Baines also.

I went from like 32K to 389 in last 7 weeks or something

Kill Ach

Yes using the wildcard early seems to bring success.
Just having a look at the status page on the FPL site and you can see the current most valuable teams in the game. All the top ones have a value of 100.9 mil and all have used their wildcard already. Now when you look at their previous seasons record playing the game, they all have relative impressive results.


Now I know where I'm going wrong!!.

Fizman

Kill Ach wrote: »

Yes using the wildcard early seems to bring success.
Just having a look at the status page on the FPL site and you can see the current most valuable teams in the game. All the top ones have a value of 100.9 mil and all have used their wildcard already. Now when you look at their previous seasons record playing the game, they all have relative impressive results.


Now I know where I'm going wrong!!.

Where people go wrong is getting their initial team selection wrong!

andy125

Another early wildcard here, this is the team i have gone with any opinions welcome.

caromike

Well I feel better now that mr incognito has reassured me, for a while there I was wondering if my mate was taking the piss telling me he uses it gw1 for value. My team value is now 98.5 with 2.4 in bank.

Sure it'll get a bit tricky once the flash in the pans level out but with a little luck I can slowly swap them using free transfers.

Still raging I went with Oscar and not hazard for gw1 though!

donglen

andy125 wrote: »

Another early wildcard here, this is the team i have gone with any opinions welcome.

Will Adebayor start over Defoe this week?