Guess the Grades and Carcass weights

49801

Plan is to kill our 17-19mth bulls next week.
I thought it might be a bit of fun to guess their Grades and weights.
Photo's were taken on Mon.

447 DOB:02/03/11



439 DOB:09/02/11

bob charles

any chance of a side on picture? can't see the length and hind quarter from those pics

taking that picture the look like a U3 & U2 but as salers can be tough work to finish but with the bit of char/limi in them it would help. Top boy 415 kilos bottom 385 but very hard to tell from picture angle and seeing them in the flesh

Killed two bulls this morning, with us for the last few months, 20 months old and they were 505kilos dead. both done 1.2kilos live weight each day of their lives. and did they leave money...... well they were bought when animals were dear:rolleyes:

Username John

Don't have cattle - so wont embarrass myself by guessing
But that lad on the far right, in the second pic looks like a serious animal...
But like I say, don't know cattle... so could be well wrong...

Manoffeeling

Carcass

ootbitb

Manoffeeling wrote: »

Carcass

Pedant

Manoffeeling

ootbitb wrote: »

Pedant

No

nashmach

Need a rear end shot really as Bob says.

There is a difference of a grade between them I'd reckon - U= and a U-

Fat score probably 3 for the red fella and 2 for the CH.

Carcase weights - won't guess

49801

bob charles wrote: »

any chance of a side on picture? can't see the length and hind quarter from those pics

Have edited post 1 above to include the side view of the first animal. (fairly sure its the same animal.

nashmach

49801 wrote: »

Have edited post 1 above to include the side view of the first animal. (fairly sure its the same animal.

U+ and to weigh 430kgs dead.

Tipp Man

49801 wrote: »

Have edited post 1 above to include the side view of the first animal. (fairly sure its the same animal.

Whats is he a cross of?

Tipp Man

Im going with

Red U3 425
White U2 395

If i'm way off the mark i'm getting my defence in early and saying that we only deal with bullocks;)

pakalasa

Hard to estimate weights from pics only, but I'd say U+2 and 390 Kgs for first and U=3 and 370 Kgs for second. Second look to have AA breeding in him so maybe higher fat score.

coolshannagh28

Red u4 440k
White u3 420k

49801

Tipp Man wrote: »

Whats is he a cross of?

Both are out of SIMX cross but the CH influence with the second animal is obvious.

49801

delighted that ye are all talking close to 400kilo and U's but will have to wait till the docket comes back for a result.

bob charles

first guy is just a straight U, second guy hard to see but maybe only a R + as he has longer legs, front the side picture he is a little heavier than my first observation but it pretty impossible to say without see them in the flesh to assess their width, see their tops etc

LivInt20

bob charles wrote: »

Killed two bulls this morning, with us for the last few months, 20 months old and they were 505kilos dead. both done 1.2kilos live weight each day of their lives. and did they leave money...... well they were bought when animals were dear:rolleyes:

Don't think your figures add up.

20 mths * 30 days = 600 days * 1.2 kgs/day = 720 kgs.

505 kgs / 720 kgs live = 70% kill out rate.

70% killout rate seems a bit high.

More realistic would be 58%

Anybody any thoughts on the above calculation and result????

Injuryprone

LivInt20 wrote: »

Don't think your figures add up.

20 mths * 30 days = 600 days * 1.2 kgs/day = 720 kgs.

505 kgs / 720 kgs live = 70% kill out rate.

70% killout rate seems a bit high.

More realistic would be 58%

Anybody any thoughts on the above calculation and result????

58% would mean they were 870kg live..............1.45kgs/day???

grange mac

What were you feeding them do you mind me asking? My Charlaois look like **** compared to them, guessn prob some to do with me only giving them minimal nuts & grass only.

49801

grange mac wrote: »

What were you feeding them do you mind me asking? My Charlaois look like **** compared to them, guessn prob some to do with me only giving them minimal nuts & grass only.

They have gotten 1.2ton of maize meal ad lib. Minerals and yeast included in the mix. Built them up to add lib over a long period by adding a kg every 3days. Cost per animal would be close to 300e each just on ration. I can put my hand a docket in a few days for ingredients

grange mac

Thank you, no need for ingredients. Just working out the costs & am trying to compare to see if it is worth while finishing them v send to mart& leave someone else finish them. Neighbour sent cattle to factory last week had spent @250 on each animal came back dissappionted as said not worth it given hastle & price of feed. I dont live on farm so cant seed them daily hence grass & few bags nuts but at moment they are 500 - 650kgs but they also have the age 24-30 months.

49801

grange mac wrote: »

Thank you, no need for ingredients. Just working out the costs & am trying to compare to see if it is worth while finishing them v send to mart& leave someone else finish them. Neighbour sent cattle to factory last week had spent @250 on each animal came back dissappionted as said not worth it given hastle & price of feed. I dont live on farm so cant seed them daily hence grass & few bags nuts but at moment they are 500 - 650kgs but they also have the age 24-30 months.

Well I will be sharing the kill out info hopefully before end of next week if it helps you decide.

bob charles

LivInt20 wrote: »

Don't think your figures add up.

20 mths * 30 days = 600 days * 1.2 kgs/day = 720 kgs.

505 kgs / 720 kgs live = 70% kill out rate.

70% killout rate seems a bit high.

More realistic would be 58%

Anybody any thoughts on the above calculation and result????

Add the birth weight of say 50kilos to 600days * 1.17kilos a day comes to 750kgs @ killout of 67% (graded an E) = 502.5kgs hot

the other guy was 785 kilos and done very similar DWG (20 days older) and weight 780kgs @ ko of 65%(grade U+) = 508kgs hot

those above two aren't the norm but goes to show what good animals can do. KO is everything in cattle

Tipp Man

bob charles wrote: »

Add the birth weight of say 50kilos to 600days * 1.17kilos a day comes to 750kgs @ killout of 67% (graded an E) = 502.5kgs hot

the other guy was 785 kilos and done very similar DWG (20 days older) and weight 780kgs @ ko of 65%(grade U+) = 508kgs hot

those above two aren't the norm but goes to show what good animals can do. KO is everything in cattle

2 charlois i assume Bob?

bob charles

Tipp Man wrote: »

2 charlois i assume Bob?

two blues, wouldn't get a killout that high with charlois

49801

White lad is in the middle of the below pic with a slightly better angle

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DMAXMAN

LivInt20 wrote: »

Don't think your figures add up.

20 mths * 30 days = 600 days * 1.2 kgs/day = 720 kgs.

505 kgs / 720 kgs live = 70% kill out rate.

70% killout rate seems a bit high.

More realistic would be 58%

Anybody any thoughts on the above calculation and result????

dont forget that calves have a birth weight also possibly 60 kgs

leg wax

u and r grade but dont know enough about fat scores, red bull is a better fat score.

blue5000

49801 wrote: »

Plan is to kill our 17-19mth bulls next week.
I thought it might be a bit of fun to guess their Grades and weights.
Photo's were taken on Mon.

447 DOB:02/03/11



439 DOB:09/02/11

Going to stick my neck out,
I don't think the ch will be a U, R=3+ 410kg
No 447 U-2=, 405kg
Saler? in second pic U=2+. 415kg

Best of luck with them, hope the cheque leaves you a happy man.

49801

Well at least no one is concerned they are under finished which was my concern

Farmer Pudsey

Red Lim is a U may sneek into a U= should sneek into a 3 in fat the white charly is only an R may struggle to get into a R+ will probally be only 2= in fat hard to judge there weight but I think the red will out weight the white by about 50kg's unless he has a way bigger frame. His back dose not seem that flat from the pictures.

I would not worry about underfinish as long as they are not back in 2- or 1's. Fairly good demand for bulls at the moment so hard to know if it would be worth putting more ration in them and the price droping.

The fat score will depend on how long they are on ration more than how much they have eaten. Cattle are fat scoring well this year for some reason. Weight coming off grass is more of an issue

LivInt20

bob charles wrote: »

Add the birth weight of say 50kilos to 600days * 1.17kilos a day comes to 750kgs @ killout of 67% (graded an E) = 502.5kgs hot

the other guy was 785 kilos and done very similar DWG (20 days older) and weight 780kgs @ ko of 65%(grade U+) = 508kgs hot

those above two aren't the norm but goes to show what good animals can do. KO is everything in cattle

Thanks Bob.

Very good killout.

Think farmers should know more about KO%.

Maybe we should weigh live before sending to factory, or factories provide a live weight pre slaughter along with deadweight on receipts.

Anybody got any other accurate examples of KO%, breed, type, age, etc ...?

nashmach

Looking at the tail end of the CH, he won't grade a U anyway but would guess a R+.

He seems a good bit lighter too from that angle so probably kill out at 390kgs?

jayteecork

This is a great game!

sh1tstirrer

49801 wrote: »

They have gotten 1.2ton of maize meal ad lib. Minerals and yeast included in the mix. Built them up to add lib over a long period by adding a kg every 3days. Cost per animal would be close to 300e each just on ration. I can put my hand a docket in a few days for ingredients

Are they home reared or did you buy them in?

49801

sh1tstirrer wrote: »

Are they home reared or did you buy them in?

They are all home reared

vanderbadger

49801 wrote: »

They are all home reared

must be a tough summer to keep those lads on grass?
ive heard of lads around here that have heavy bulls indoors on straw and ration, reckoned they would only go back outside such are the ground conditions, would cattle normally finish better on grass or on straw+ration?

jerdee

Red u 3 400cold
Ch. r 2. 380 cold

Looks dry enough around them wonder what's ground like after Wednesday flood

49801

vanderbadger wrote: »

must be a tough summer to keep those lads on grass?
ive heard of lads around here that have heavy bulls indoors on straw and ration, reckoned they would only go back outside such are the ground conditions, would cattle normally finish better on grass or on straw+ration?

I consider were they are as a loafing paddock. They have been in the same spot since the start of July. If I had a suitable straw yard they would be in it. Bit tough on the field but much rather that then putting them on the slats.

Farmer Pudsey

Are tey on adlib or are you feeding them once or twice a day and if so how much.If htey were on good grass I be feeding them 6kg's max outside and have the fiels split in four and move them every weekk

You have to do the sums 6kgs @25 cent a kg+ grass = 2 euro's/day

Inside on slats 10kg's + good silage + straw =3.1 euro's/day ( I am allowing for bale silage as you would not have pit open for to feed a few bulls
inside on straw on adlib 16/KG/day + straw+straw bedding= 4.5/day

Now this was not a great years to have bulls on grass but in a good dry year it is a no braine

Tipp Man

nashmach wrote: »

Looking at the tail end of the CH, he won't grade a U anyway but would guess a R+.

He seems a good bit lighter too from that angle so probably kill out at 390kgs?

Yeah the CH doesn't look as good in the other photos

Like you say R+ i'd say

bob charles

cover doesn't look bad on them and will probably scrape a 3 and a 2 if lucky considering they are out of a saler fat is impossible to put on them. your first picture of the white fellow was well decieving. he is a good bit lighter than I taught

Charlie Charolais

Lim @ U= @ 390kg
Ch @ U- @ 380kg

best a luck with them

leg wax

jayteecork wrote: »

This is a great game!

do you own a factory:eek:,because thats what they think as well:D:D:D:D

dealerman

447 sax u-3+ 381.74
439 chx r+3= 356.51
hope your able to get them killed this week prices under pressure cause of weather

49801

Appologies folks.
Factory games indeed.

Just got off the phone from my regular factory man an hour ago.
He can't get them into the factory next week as planned.
Phoned my backup man and he is full for next week.

So just managed to get a hold of the feed company before 5 to get another 3ton to be delivered asap. (having gotten 35bags to tie me over till they were supposed to be going)

So will be holding onto them for another 3wks

:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:

At least they will be still putting on weight. Just hope the price stays where it is.

bob charles

ah a bit of gamesmanship from the factory lads, only means one thing though.

epfff

bob charles wrote: »

ah a bit of gamesmanship from the factory lads, only means one thing though.

Its going to be another blink first few weeks
glut of under/near fit grass to be killed i think
ground conditions are going to be a major factor in beef price for next few weeks

bob charles

epfff wrote: »

Its going to be another blink first few weeks
glut of under/near fit grass to be killed i think
ground conditions are going to be a major factor in beef price for next few weeks

as I have said, plenty of cattle to be gotten for slaughter at current prices, demand for product isnt great as the olympics feel good factor dies, stored product is also low though, manufacturing beef should pick up soon enough for the cows. The elephant in the room is guys are under serious pressure for money, with credit accounts due from summer spend. interesting times, my late autumn prediction base price is not too far away.

Manoffeeling

bob charles wrote: »

as I have said, plenty of cattle to be gotten for slaughter at current prices, demand for product isnt great as the olympics feel good factor dies, stored product is also low though, manufacturing beef should pick up soon enough for the cows. The elephant in the room is guys are under serious pressure for money, with credit accounts due from summer spend. interesting times, my late autumn prediction base price is not too far away.

Agree with you about the money being tight. It's hard to see it.

just do it

bob charles wrote: »

Add the birth weight of say 50kilos to 600days * 1.17kilos a day comes to 750kgs @ killout of 67% (graded an E) = 502.5kgs hot

the other guy was 785 kilos and done very similar DWG (20 days older) and weight 780kgs @ ko of 65%(grade U+) = 508kgs hot

those above two aren't the norm but goes to show what good animals can do. KO is everything in cattle

What level of feed went into them, something similar to 48901?