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Fastest car for 15k

  • 14-08-2012 7:27pm
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 729 ✭✭✭


    Ok, so what is the fastest car for 15k out there? Only condition is that it needs proper back seats.

    Don't care about Tax or MPG.

    E46 M3 is the best I can think of at the moment.:confused:


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,594 ✭✭✭tossy


    Fastest how? 0-60? out right top speed?

    B5 RS4
    C5 RS6
    E46 M3
    E39 M5


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,728 ✭✭✭George Dalton


    The first thing that comes to my mind is a B5 Audi RS4, 450bhp with a remap and pretty damn quick.

    No doubt there are plenty of Jap options as well but I wouldn't be familiar with the specifics.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,815 ✭✭✭✭Anan1


    Presumably some kind of a small turbo nutter Japanese saloon?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,032 ✭✭✭Jimbob 83


    Vauxhall-Monaro_VXR_2005_1024x768_wallpaper_01.jpg


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,525 ✭✭✭miller50841


    A nice M5 or Audi s4 or s6


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,216 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    yeah i would have said some hyped japanese machine. i cant see my M3 beating one of them off the blocks standard.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 154 ✭✭markoire


    I would have said some form of jap yoke allright. That or maybe one of these sorts of things, no idea how much theyre making as this is the first I saw on my donedeal search!! http://cars.donedeal.ie/for-sale/cars/3557912


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,603 ✭✭✭thecomedian


    I was thinking of an E55, but the above poster's cl55 would be the more powerful.

    None of the jap cars would be quicker as standard would they??


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 154 ✭✭markoire


    I reckon an evo fq400 would be but don't think you'd pick one up for 15k. Dont even know if there are any in the country!!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,801 ✭✭✭✭Gary ITR


    I.know of an r33 skyline that sold for that money recently. Running 700ish bhp 'to keep it economical'

    Built for 1000bhp


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,718 ✭✭✭Matt Simis


    tossy wrote: »
    Fastest how? 0-60? out right top speed?

    B5 RS4
    C5 RS6
    E46 M3
    E39 M5

    I basically asked the same question but the other thread got deleted. Thankfully as I dont trust Boards.ie be up longer than the time is takes to post a comment, I copy-paste everything before hitting the reply button, so here was my reply :cool:

    --
    You need to define it a lot better. Fastest in 0-60, 30-70, 0-100mph, general feeling of being fast, over 100, top speed etc. Stock, lightly tuned or heavily modded?

    A e39 M5 is faster than an e46 M3 in the ways I care about.
    A modded (older TT or new SC, not the V8s) S4 is faster again.
    A 335i tuned up is very fast.
    As is a 535d.

    An big engined Audi A8 or S8 is also very fast in a different manner to the above. As is the Twin Turbo CL600.
    A stock Supra isnt fast, but a tuned TT Supra is... etc etc.
    --


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 66,132 ✭✭✭✭unkel
    Chauffe, Marcel, chauffe!


    Matt Simis wrote: »
    I basically asked the same question but the other thread got deleted. Thankfully as I dont trust Boards.ie be up longer than the time is takes to post a comment, I copy-paste everything before hitting the reply button, so here was my reply :cool:

    --
    You need to define it a lot better. Fastest in 0-60, 30-70, 0-100mph, general feeling of being fast, over 100, top speed etc. Stock, lightly tuned or heavily modded?

    A e39 M5 is faster than an e46 M3 in the ways I care about.
    A modded (older TT or new SC, not the V8s) S4 is faster again.
    A 335i tuned up is very fast.
    As is a 535d.

    An big engined Audi A8 or S8 is also very fast in a different manner to the above. As is the Twin Turbo CL600.
    A stock Supra isnt fast, but a tuned TT Supra is... etc etc.
    --

    50 shades of fast - all we men care about :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,918 ✭✭✭Terrontress


    You could buy an old Rover 620ti for £400 in the UK and get 275km/h out of it.

    Save yourself €14,500 if speed is your only criterion.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,594 ✭✭✭tossy


    You could buy an old Rover 620ti for £400 in the UK and get 275km/h out of it.

    Save yourself €14,500 if speed is your only criterion.

    You are recommending a car from 1994 with a 2.0T engine and 200bhp above all the above cars ? :D you'd want to be getting it with 15k in the glovebox :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,106 ✭✭✭dar83


    You could buy an old Rover 620ti for £400 in the UK and get 275km/h out of it.

    Save yourself €14,500 if speed is your only criterion.

    Are you RJ in disguise?!?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 729 ✭✭✭Robertr


    0-60 fast is the only fast that matters. Top speed is pretty pointless.

    Nothing surprising mentioned so far.

    Anyone ever driven an XJR?

    http://www.carzone.ie/search/Jaguar/Xj/XJR-Supe/27513428205470820/advert?channel=CARS


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,003 ✭✭✭bijapos


    Robertr wrote: »
    0-60 fast is the only fast that matters. Top speed is pretty pointless.

    I'd prefer a car that has seriously good mid range acceleration than one that has a good 0-60 time tbh. Along with this it should handle well on curvy and bumpy Irish roads with good acceleration out of corners and feel well planted when doing higher speeds (on the autobahn :rolleyes:).


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 729 ✭✭✭Robertr


    bijapos wrote: »
    I'd prefer a car that has seriously good mid range acceleration than one that has a good 0-60 time tbh. Along with this it should handle well on curvy and bumpy Irish roads with good acceleration out of corners and feel well planted when doing higher speeds (on the autobahn :rolleyes:).

    I agree, I just meant that I don't care about top speed


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,106 ✭✭✭dar83


    An Evo/Scooby is probably your best bet then, if you only care about 0-60.

    Are you planning on modding it or leaving it standard? This could change the suitable car...


  • Posts: 23,339 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    dar83 wrote: »
    Are you RJ in disguise?!?

    I wouldn't recommend a ti for the OPs criteria, I wouldn't recommend a £400 one full stop, very witty though, you have excelled yourself.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,522 ✭✭✭martyc5674


    You missed out on my 98 starlet I just sold... That was faaaaast.
    And you could have had it for 15k.. Even a little less if you haggled.
    Marty


  • Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional North East Moderators Posts: 10,878 Mod ✭✭✭✭PauloMN


    Plenty of savage Tdddiiiiiis for that money. They're savage fast so they are, pure mental like.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,106 ✭✭✭dar83


    RoverJames wrote: »
    I wouldn't recommend a ti for the OPs criteria, I wouldn't recommend a £400 one full stop, very witty though, you have excelled yourself.

    Thanks, your approval means the world to me.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,603 ✭✭✭thecomedian


    Robertr wrote: »
    0-60 fast is the only fast that matters. Top speed is pretty pointless.

    Nothing surprising mentioned so far.

    Anyone ever driven an XJR?

    http://www.carzone.ie/search/Jaguar/Xj/XJR-Supe/27513428205470820/advert?channel=CARS

    I thought about one of those myself.
    I wouldn't be using the 0-60 as a guide, I recently drove a 330ci and a S6. Both have the same 0-60 but the S6 is way faster when your driving. It's power you really want :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 916 ✭✭✭Joe 90


    Robertr wrote: »
    0-60 fast is the only fast that matters. Top speed is pretty pointless.
    I've long reckoned that 0-60 doesn't mean much when you talk about performance cars. Below 40 wheelspin is the limitation in anything with a reasonable power to weight ratio. Top speed pretty irrelevant in a road cars as you can lose your license in anything. I would reckon the 40 to 100 time to be the realistic thing that matters.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 916 ✭✭✭Joe 90


    dar83 wrote: »
    An Evo/Scooby is probably your best bet then, if you only care about 0-60.

    Are you planning on modding it or leaving it standard? This could change the suitable car...

    I would argue that a well modded Evo is probably one of the best A to B cars that you could have.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,106 ✭✭✭dar83


    Joe 90 wrote: »
    I would argue that a well modded Evo is probably one of the best A to B cars that you could have.

    And I would agree completely. :)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 156 ✭✭sheehan12


    i sell my toyota 94 diesel for 15.000 if you want


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,701 ✭✭✭Sids Not


    If you like BMW's i'd go for the 1000rr..................:D

    Cars are slow........:pac:


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 916 ✭✭✭Joe 90


    dar83 wrote: »
    And I would agree completely. :)
    Have to be an RS though, no AYC or ABS and save a bit of weight.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,127 ✭✭✭✭Idbatterim


    if its straight line speed you are after a 335i has many advantages over E46 M3... certainly in terms of purchase price and running costs anyway... a remapped 335 will beat a stock E46 m3 0-100 in a straight line!

    http://www.carzone.ie/search/BMW/3-Series/335I-SPO/27513431390958880/advert?channel=CARS

    http://www.carzone.ie/search/BMW/3-Series/335-I-TW/30213440760442010/advert?channel=CARS

    I believe the auto (also has flappy paddle gear box) I also believe it has launch control...

    take a look at the below links Op...

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_VX7YANkbVo
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CSzUiSeUGQk&feature=related


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 729 ✭✭✭Robertr


    Idbatterim wrote: »
    if its straight line speed you are after a 335i has many advantages over E46 M3... certainly in terms of purchase price and running costs anyway... a remapped 335 will beat a stock E46 m3 0-100 in a straight line!

    http://www.carzone.ie/search/BMW/3-Series/335I-SPO/27513431390958880/advert?channel=CARS

    http://www.carzone.ie/search/BMW/3-Series/335-I-TW/30213440760442010/advert?channel=CARS

    I believe the auto (also has flappy paddle gear box) I also believe it has launch control...

    take a look at the below links Op...

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_VX7YANkbVo
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CSzUiSeUGQk&feature=related

    Hmmm.....interesting


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,885 ✭✭✭✭MetzgerMeister


    OP - what about a Mazda6 MPS?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,025 ✭✭✭✭-Corkie-


    OP - what about a Mazda6 MPS?

    Good suggestion....:)

    A guy went to look at a black one recently and the owner handed him a set of sterile overalls before he got in.....:)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,032 ✭✭✭Jimbob 83


    -Corkie- wrote: »
    Good suggestion....:)

    A guy went to look at a black one recently and the owner handed him a set of sterile overalls before he got in.....:)

    Was that before or after he sprayed him down with dettol ? :pac:


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,885 ✭✭✭✭MetzgerMeister


    -Corkie- wrote: »
    Good suggestion....:)

    A guy went to look at a black one recently and the owner handed him a set of sterile overalls before he got in.....:)

    You forget to preface that with "Some say..." haha


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,127 ✭✭✭✭Idbatterim


    http://www.carzone.ie/search/BMW/6-Series/650i-COU/29613440049424950/advert?channel=CARS

    that yoke would also move, even more so with a remap! but totally different kind of beast than the 335...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,885 ✭✭✭✭MetzgerMeister


    Idbatterim wrote: »
    http://www.carzone.ie/search/BMW/6-Series/650i-COU/29613440049424950/advert?channel=CARS

    that yoke would also move, even more so with a remap! but totally different kind of beast than the 335...

    OP said proper back seats are the only thing the car needs. There's no such thing as back seats in that :P


  • Subscribers Posts: 6,408 ✭✭✭conzy


    The C5 RS6 is a beast and has rediculous midrange power for overtaking
    peak torque available from 1,950 to 5,600 rpm.
    :eek:

    A 335i is a lot easier to come by and with a remap would be about 370HP and quarter of a tonne lighter than the RS6.. might give it a run for its money in certain scenarios...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,535 ✭✭✭btkm8unsl0w5r4


    Yep the RS6 is an animal as is a e39 M5 however at 15k to buy you have to be prepared for serious running costs. Running costs dont care about depreciation and are related to the initial purchase price. Expect 7-9k a to run a car like that. A 335i will have significantly lower running costs and 90% of the everyday performance.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,718 ✭✭✭Matt Simis


    Yep the RS6 is an animal as is a e39 M5 however at 15k to buy you have to be prepared for serious running costs. Running costs dont care about depreciation and are related to the initial purchase price. Expect 7-9k a to run a car like that. A 335i will have significantly lower running costs and 90% of the everyday performance.
    Over what period!? Certainly not a year (and I dont count variables like tax and insurance as a running cost). People keep saying that about performanace stuff, but I always buy these type of cars and even when I went and got new gearboxes installed, the costs are nothing like suggested.

    The RS6 and M5 are not purpose built sports cars, they are platform shared performance cars (shared with run of the mill cars). A significant amount of parts are infact very "normal".

    Agreed the 335i would be cheaper to run regardless, but that difference starts to disappear if you tune one to 370-400bhp as suggested. A forced Induction car is by its nature more expensive to fix and work on.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,985 ✭✭✭✭dgt


    Mistsubishi EVO

    Caterham R7

    Maybe a Dodge Ram Pickup if you don't want handling? Seriously fast when tuned and dwarfs everything on the road (except tractors, busses and lorries of course...) think of the smoke pollution you'd produce too :pac:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,535 ✭✭✭btkm8unsl0w5r4


    Matt Simis wrote: »
    Over what period!? Certainly not a year (and I dont count variables like tax and insurance as a running cost). People keep saying that about performanace stuff, but I always buy these type of cars and even when I went and got new gearboxes installed, the costs are nothing like suggested.

    The RS6 and M5 are not purpose built sports cars, they are platform shared performance cars (shared with run of the mill cars). A significant amount of parts are infact very "normal".

    Agreed the 335i would be cheaper to run regardless, but that difference starts to disappear if you tune one to 370-400bhp as suggested. A forced Induction car is by its nature more expensive to fix and work on.

    Fuel alone would be double on a RS6 or M5, brake discs and pads are about double, tyres are more, brake fluide is more, spark plugs are more expensive and more numberious, oil is changed more frequently and is more expensive, insurance is more expensive, tax is more expensive, depreciation is around the same. These things I know coming from a 335i to a m5. Things like the M5 having individual throttle bodies can lead to significant repair bills, and even the labour to strip the engine for service or repair is more. Also a RS6 or M5 will be older than a 335i and unliekly to have an extended warranty.

    These may not be a factor for the OP and a M5 or RS6 is superior to a 335i, however it depends on what the OP defines are a performance car.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,272 ✭✭✭✭Atomic Pineapple


    Idbatterim wrote: »
    if its straight line speed you are after a 335i has many advantages over E46 M3... certainly in terms of purchase price and running costs anyway... a remapped 335 will beat a stock E46 m3 0-100 in a straight line!

    http://www.carzone.ie/search/BMW/3-Series/335I-SPO/27513431390958880/advert?channel=CARS

    http://www.carzone.ie/search/BMW/3-Series/335-I-TW/30213440760442010/advert?channel=CARS

    I believe the auto (also has flappy paddle gear box) I also believe it has launch control...

    take a look at the below links Op...

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_VX7YANkbVo
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CSzUiSeUGQk&feature=related

    I know the OP isn't concerned about MPG but I'm interested to know if anyone has real world MPG figures for the likes of a 335i?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,535 ✭✭✭btkm8unsl0w5r4


    draffodx wrote: »
    I know the OP isn't concerned about MPG but I'm interested to know if anyone has real world MPG figures for the likes of a 335i?

    Between 27-32 MPG mixed driving over long periods, pretty efficient car TBH.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,272 ✭✭✭✭Atomic Pineapple


    Between 27-32 MPG mixed driving over long periods, pretty efficient car TBH.

    Better than the ST anyway! :D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,857 ✭✭✭langdang


    dgt wrote: »
    Caterham R7
    Met one heading up Molls Gap in Killarney the last time, how much craic would that be?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,127 ✭✭✭✭Idbatterim


    I know the OP isn't concerned about MPG but I'm interested to know if anyone has real world MPG figures for the likes of a 335i?

    http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201232481440920/sort/default/usedcars/body-type/coupe/maximum-age/up_to_5_years_old/engine-size-cars/3l_to_3-9l/fuel-type/petrol/model/3_series/make/bmw/onesearchad/used/onesearchad/nearlynew/onesearchad/new/radius/1501/postcode/bt39jp/page/1?logcode=p

    for 325ci i drive now its 31.4mpg on combined cycle, mine puts out 192bhp v the 335's 306bhp!!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,718 ✭✭✭Matt Simis


    Fuel alone would be double on a RS6 or M5, brake discs and pads are about double, tyres are more, brake fluide is more, spark plugs are more expensive and more numberious, oil is changed more frequently and is more expensive,

    You dont change any of those parts every year!
    Even some of those things I would question. I find from reading BMW-Driver etc that those with M-Cars spend more on parts as they want to have the best, not because they have to. Its not fair on the car to levy it as a cost of ownership.

    Oil on a modern FSI or Diesel engine has to be changed as much as on an M-Car of old (6000-10,000km). You can buy Castrol Edge (Spec for M) for the same price as any other performance oil (which the 335i takes), EUR39 for 4litres.

    Lets look at a direct comparison on the stuff mentioned using Seekpart24 (I use this site a lot for OEM spec parts):
    Brake fluid spec on an M5 is the same as pretty much everything else, so same price.
    M5 Brake pads are not double cost over a 335i, more like +/-10% (some 335i pads are more expensive than some M5 pads).
    M5 vs 335i
    Brake discs are twice the price (EUR240 vs EUR110) but again, not a frequently replaced part.

    Spark Plugs are not more expensive (same price, maybe more on the 335i)and should last pretty much the same on the NA V8 M5 vs the FI I6 335i. Obviously you have 2 more on a V8, but at EUR12 each, do we care?
    M5 vs 335i


    Tyres are user driven consumable, granted the M5 is heavier but a remapped 335i has more of a torquey tyre munching tendency than the NA M motor. If you start sticking 19" MSports on the 335i you definitely will have a more costly tyre budget vs a stock M5. Or [shudder] Runflats on the 335i..


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,127 ✭✭✭✭Idbatterim


    your saving E300 per year on tax, a few hundred on insurance if picking a non performance car as im sure the 335 would come under (as opposed to ringing insurance and saying " I want to insure an m3, m5 etc) fuel bill will be at least 25% cheaper on the 335. Also bear in mind that for the same amount of money, you are buying a several year newer car with the 335 than you would get with m3 or m5. and its the age as well as the tax that combines to slaughter the sale price...

    the below actually says it has tax until march 2013, above it, that is also same month for NCT expiry! I take it that's when the NCT expires, but if not, the tax alone is worth about E900!!!

    http://www.carzone.ie/search/BMW/3-Series/335I-SPO/27513431390958880/advert?channel=CARS


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