Meteor's New Advertisement

Selkies

I wrote a public letter to meteor.

Dear Meteor,

As a transwoman, my life is generally that bit harder, my parents don’t accept me, it’s perfectly acceptable for strangers on the street to make comments on genitalia or birth assignment, my private medical insurance doesn’t cover my “choice” and so my medical bills are pretty high and then there is my love life.

I’m currently dating someone at the moment, that’s going really well, but sometimes when I’m thinking about what would it be like to single and looking again I get a little worried.

While many men and women find transgendered individuals to be appealing partners, not many of them are willing to introduce you to their parents and I’m not going to date someone who is ashamed of me. While they may be part of our community they don’t share the same burden. They can limit their exposure to private clubs, where as girls like me are often outed in the supermarket.

I was in a good mood earlier today though, last night my housemate organised a party, every one of the guests was really accepting. I woke up the next day and browsing facebook I saw a link to the new meteor ad.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VqOmsQrDp7E

There is already a lot of shame concerning alternate gender expression and sexuality, particularly in “catholic” Ireland. Which may not be very catholic anymore but we still seem to be cultivating this culture of shame and I’m not really shocked and I’m not really all that offended, I’m getting kind of used to this. I don’t see girls like me on tv unless we’re the gag or the plot twist, we’re the modern day golliwogs.

I guess what I’m hoping, is that you’ll read this and feel a little bad for making that advertisement, I’m hoping you’ll read this and think about how you and people like you have made me feel like a freak, yet again.

I’m hoping that you’ll stop portraying transwomen, cross dressers, drag queens and gay men as the lowest form of partner choice, or clown-like easy entertainment. While you may find it funny, there are plenty of people’s lives suffering at the hands of negative, disgusted attitudes towards us. Please do not continue to make our lives more difficult than they already are by encouraging people to laugh at us as an advertising tool. If the person the guy on the internet was dancing with was a black man or woman and portrayed in the same manner, this would not be funny, this would be considered to be racially negative and banned; why then is it ok to do that to us?

I know there isn’t a lot of us, and we probably don’t matter all that much to you but we could do with some compassion and I believe you would be better people if you were to show us some.

Thanks for your time
Eva Lacy

What do you think?

JH_raheny

Fair play to you, please post their response if you get one

Shakti

Thats a brilliant letter Eva well done,
Reminds me of that saying though 'before appealing to someones better nature make sure they have one',
I have become deeply cynical of the advertising industry and its manipulative misogynist practice which is were this abuse is rooted. IMO these advertisers hate women full stop and as long as they can continue to convert misogyny into revenue they will continue to do so without conscience.

Aurongroove

It's perfect; well reasoned and not at all manic.
what's more, reading it was wonderfully insightful.


My favourite thing about it is you've explained perfectly where they've gone wrong, and you're right: it isn't proper that they feel OK about using the TG, DQ or CD* identity that as some sort of a "slide whistle".

(the reason I say TG, DQ and CD is because I doubt the people who wrote the ad would be enlightened enough to differentiate)

Hamhide

is there a petition or something we all could sign to have this ad taken down?

Sappa

I didn't see anything wrong with the add,we are a free society who can crack a bit of a joke about everyone in society.
The jimmy carrs or the Seth Mcfarlanes of this world actually ripp everyone and in fact it lightens the mood and people don't see it as strange or alien but accept this is society and gets them thinking.

stephen_n

Very nice and measured response, well done. Sappa yes humor has a place in normalizing but it can be done in a fair and balanced way, this is not humorous it's a deliberate caricature, for cheap laughs by a commercial interest. I am of the opinion in a lot of cases offence is sought rather than intended but it's hard to view that add as anything but offensive. It portrays trans people as a last resort, how could that not be offensive!

Annasopra

Hamhide wrote: »

is there a petition or something we all could sign to have this ad taken down?

Teni have explained the complaints process here.

http://www.teni.ie/news-post.aspx?contentid=647

L1011

I see what's in the ad as drag queens, not any suggestion of trans of any description.

bodice ripper

I don't think the ad is offensive.

in fact, if anything i think Irish young fellas should be up in arms about being portrayed as gormless eejits again.

Annasopra

bodice ripper wrote: »

I don't think the ad is offensive.

Fair enough. Trans people do.

bodice ripper

mango salsa wrote: »

Fair enough. Trans people do.

some trans people do. fair enough.

stephen_n

MYOB wrote: »

I see what's in the ad as drag queens, not any suggestion of trans of any description.

I don't think that is the intention, given the way the scene is framed and either way it's still linked to doing stupid or dangerous things to get wifi!

bodice ripper

stephen_n wrote: »

I don't think that is the intention, given the way the scene is framed and either way it's still linked to doing stupid or dangerous things to get wifi!

oh come now, one of the bits is standing in a neighbor's garden.

filmbuffboy

OP... did you send the letter to the complaints dept or just to some email address you found on their website?

unless you sent it in through the proper channels you might not get a response.

best of luck anyways and let us know how you got on!

Aurongroove

Rip the piss out of everything comedies like Family Guy and South Park don't do that, they establish their own humour from the ground up as being a free for all, it's not just an executive saying " everyone thinks transvestites are funny, let's make the girl he's dancing with a transvestite; that'll make it more funny"

Aurongroove

but then again, incompetent TV is just as bad for TG (outside of a larger frame of context), imagine if the "gag line" in this case was visually clichéd Irish person and this was back in the days of the mass immigration to America (where Irish-American were subject to huge amount of cultural racism) or worse it if was a gollywog/minstrel

imagine of the the punch line in the ad was a short man with a green hat with a gold buckle, dancing a drunken jig and holding a clay pipe.

the point is the character in the commercial is a Gollywog/Minstrel/chinese man with buck teeth and straw hat version of a "Man dressed as a women" and used as a "fool" in the commercial's narrative for his identity as such and for no other reason.

African-Americans fighting for social equality didn't think "who cares about minstrels; they look like unconvincing black people; we don't actually look like that.

Gary The Gamer

The person in the ad is not transgender though so you have zero basis for complaint.

bodice ripper

Aurongroove wrote: »

... imagine if the "gag line" in this case was visually clichéd Irish person

it was.

Sappa

Aurongroove wrote: »

but then again, incompetent TV is just as bad for TG (outside of a larger frame of context), imagine if the "gag line" in this case was visually clichéd Irish person and this was back in the days of the mass immigration to America (where Irish-American were subject to huge amount of cultural racism) or worse it if was a gollywog/minstrel

imagine of the the punch line in the ad was a short man with a green hat with a gold buckle, dancing a drunken jig and holding a clay pipe.

the point is the character in the commercial is a Gollywog/Minstrel/chinese man with buck teeth and straw hat version of a "Man dressed as a women" and used as a "fool" in the commercial's narrative for his identity as such and for no other reason.

African-Americans fighting for social equality didn't think "who cares about minstrels; they look like unconvincing black people; we don't actually look like that.

Get over yourself it's a n add

Annasopra

Folks any trolling in this thread or telling people they shouldn't be offended won't be tolerated. Any issues or problens pm me or another mod

Selkies

mango salsa wrote: »

Folks any trolling in this thread or telling people they shouldn't be offended won't be tolerated. Any issues or problens pm me or another mod

I'll need them to be able to respond saying why I shouldn't be offended, otherwise I won't be able to have a discussion with them about how the reason they don't think I should be offended is because they aren't the butt of the joke.

filmbuffboy wrote: »

OP... did you send the letter to the complaints dept or just to some email address you found on their website?

unless you sent it in through the proper channels you might not get a response.

best of luck anyways and let us know how you got on!

Their complaints dept, you might be right about sending by snail mail

Sappa wrote: »

I didn't see anything wrong with the add,we are a free society who can crack a bit of a joke about everyone in society.
The jimmy carrs or the Seth Mcfarlanes of this world actually ripp everyone and in fact it lightens the mood and people don't see it as strange or alien but accept this is society and gets them thinking.

Hi Sappa, thanks for writing this, it's good to see that I'm not just preaching to the choir.

I like the idea of making fun of everyone, no problem with that, but let's be honest here, we don't make fun of *everyone*. Almost always, we make fun of the people who aren't able to cause us problems.
It's the converse of what voltaire said: "To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize".

And transgender people are such easy targets it's not even funny. No really it isn't funny, we probably have one of if not the highest suicide rate of any group and that's just taking into account the ones we know about. It's not really hard to see why, just watch any mainstream portrayal of trans people.
You don't want to be us when you watch that, if you are us you can't change that, you can struggle your entire life but that does not change, which is why suicide happens so often.

Yeah meteor isn't entirely to blame but the way that they think is. They wouldn't have made that bar a bar with only one race or a gay bar because they know that the uproar would be huge but no one cares about transgender people, and we're mostly too afraid of being fired from our jobs and being thrown out of our homes to come out protest this stuff. That will change though.

But we need your help, we need you to start thinking about how you view us seriously. For example, how comfortable would you be sitting in a bar with a woman who is obviously transgendered? Heavily populated bar. People staring at her because that's what people do, and you sitting beside her.

I don't think you would be up for it, most guys I know wouldn't dream of it but feel free to challenge me on it. They would be afraid that someone might think they are dating the woman. It's hardly surprising when you have ads like that meteor one going around.

Selkies

Gary The Gamer wrote: »

The person in the ad is not transgender though so you have zero basis for complaint.

I think we might be using different definitions for the word transgender:



Gender just refers to the framework in society for handling the differences between male/female/intersex physiology

Trans gender is just going outside the simplified understanding of what humans are like.

ghogie91

Always one

This over the top political correctness is whats wrong with the world, innocent ad, bitta craic and certinely no offence intended

People need to stop being so up tight and enjoy life

If it offends press the ^ or + on the remote, this brings you to the next channel, also may i suggest bbc or other non irish channels, you will not find this ad there

Only live once and how people spend their life looking for arguements or striving to change tiny details (an ad with the life span of no more than a month or two) is beyond me

Velvety

Yeah, because that's how you achieve equality and change attitudes: shut up and ignore it.

Selkies

ghogie91 wrote: »

Always one

This over the top political correctness is whats wrong with the world

I hope that you don't mean to say that's all that's wrong with the world, or even that's all that high on the priority list.

Worth having a look at this, it's stewart lee, pretty awesome comedian talking about another experience of political correctness.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hmkHLiZMJeU

Selkies

It may be hard to believe but what is in the media whether that be films, tv, music, literature etc. really effects how people think.
Like for example in Rwanda there was a massive amount of literature talking about murdering tutsis before the genocide took place, you can spot the same thing in europe up to and during world war 2 with anti semitism. In Israeli schools and media you can see the same thing against palestinians, in palestinian schools and media you see the same thing against Israelis.

Obviously these examples are far more extreme, lets drop it down a level.



If we were from Mississippi back when this picture was taken, we would have no clue what the problem with that is. Many people today don't even know what the problem with that is. It was just a bit of crack. a bit of crack at someone elses expense.

Sappa

Selkies wrote: »

mango salsa wrote: »

Folks any trolling in this thread or telling people they shouldn't be offended won't be tolerated. Any issues or problens pm me or another mod

I'll need them to be able to respond saying why I shouldn't be offended, otherwise I won't be able to have a discussion with them about how the reason they don't think I should be offended is because they aren't the butt of the joke.

filmbuffboy wrote: »

OP... did you send the letter to the complaints dept or just to some email address you found on their website?

unless you sent it in through the proper channels you might not get a response.

best of luck anyways and let us know how you got on!

Their complaints dept, you might be right about sending by snail mail

Sappa wrote: »

I didn't see anything wrong with the add,we are a free society who can crack a bit of a joke about everyone in society.
The jimmy carrs or the Seth Mcfarlanes of this world actually ripp everyone and in fact it lightens the mood and people don't see it as strange or alien but accept this is society and gets them thinking.

Hi Sappa, thanks for writing this, it's good to see that I'm not just preaching to the choir.

I like the idea of making fun of everyone, no problem with that, but let's be honest here, we don't make fun of *everyone*. Almost always, we make fun of the people who aren't able to cause us problems.
It's the converse of what voltaire said: "To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize".

And transgender people are such easy targets it's not even funny. No really it isn't funny, we probably have one of if not the highest suicide rate of any group and that's just taking into account the ones we know about. It's not really hard to see why, just watch any mainstream portrayal of trans people.
You don't want to be us when you watch that, if you are us you can't change that, you can struggle your entire life but that does not change, which is why suicide happens so often.

Yeah meteor isn't entirely to blame but the way that they think is. They wouldn't have made that bar a bar with only one race or a gay bar because they know that the uproar would be huge but no one cares about transgender people, and we're mostly too afraid of being fired from our jobs and being thrown out of our homes to come out protest this stuff. That will change though.

But we need your help, we need you to start thinking about how you view us seriously. For example, how comfortable would you be sitting in a bar with a woman who is obviously transgendered? Heavily populated bar. People staring at her because that's what people do, and you sitting beside her.

I don't think you would be up for it, most guys I know wouldn't dream of it but feel free to challenge me on it. They would be afraid that someone might think they are dating the woman. It's hardly surprising when you have ads like that meteor one going around.

Actually my wife has a tonne of mates in South East Asia who are transgender,we have often gone out to bars clubs with them,I have given lifts on my bike to them,they came to dinner with us etc.
I couldn't give a damn really as they were her friends.

Side Show Bob

mango salsa wrote: »

Folks any trolling in this thread or telling people they shouldn't be offended won't be tolerated. Any issues or problens pm me or another mod

I would assume that a Mod would take an impartial view to this and all things related, this is not a trans, CD, or a drag queen issue, it's a funny ad that is being fuled by "reaction" and reaction helps sales, the Drama Queens are the issue here.

Selkies

Sappa wrote: »

Actually my wife has a tonne of mates in South East Asia who are transgender,we have often gone out to bars clubs with them,I have given lifts on my bike to them,they came to dinner with us etc.
I couldn't give a damn really as they were her friends.

Fair enough, I feel like you "showed" me
Your wife seems awesome. Lucky man

but.. do I take from the fact that you didn't address the rest of my post that you agreed with the rest of it, or you just weren't bothered.

Sappa

Selkies wrote: »

Sappa wrote: »

Actually my wife has a tonne of mates in South East Asia who are transgender,we have often gone out to bars clubs with them,I have given lifts on my bike to them,they came to dinner with us etc.
I couldn't give a damn really as they were her friends.

Fair enough, I feel like you "showed" me
Your wife seems awesome. Lucky man

but.. do I take from the fact that you didn't address the rest of my post that you agreed with the rest of it, or you just weren't bothered.

I just think it's an advert with a bit of humour.
Sorry if it offends you but I don't think that was there intention,yepp they are a lot more accepting in Asia to transgender but it's always going to be an issue with some people and less of an issue with others.

stephen_n

Sappa wrote: »

I just think it's an advert with a bit of humour.
Sorry if it offends you but I don't think that was there intention,yepp they are a lot more accepting in Asia to transgender but it's always going to be an issue with some people and less of an issue with others.

If they had perhaps used down syndrome kids instead would you have had a problem or would you think it was funny?

bodice ripper

stephen_n wrote: »

If they had perhaps used down syndrome kids instead would you have had a problem or would you think it was funny?

Of fat kids, or yanks, or Italians, or people with tattoos, or ugly people....


oh wait, they do that.

drunkmonkey

Bit of reality here for a second, it's not adverts like this that cause someone to be looked at strangely or mocked while walking down a street, it's a guy dressing as a woman that's causing the reaction. It's not meteor or any other media's influence that is causing the problem.
There's a local transgender that was being made fun of by some of my school friends well before anyone knew what a transgender was. There was no media influence. It's the reality, the dude in the dress is causing the reaction, probably 99% of people think it's odd and school kids will make fun of it no matter what you do.
We've 3 local trangenders/drag queens (can anyone tell the difference just by looking?) and the all look completely out of place and in no way appear feminine.

If you don't want to feel like a freak walking down the street well then don't wear high heals and a skirt if your any way manly. Writing to meteor or snickers etc won't change a thing.

filmbuffboy

stephen_n wrote: »

If they had perhaps used down syndrome kids instead would you have had a problem or would you think it was funny?

if they had used a downsydrome kid instead there would have been uproar.

from most, there wouldnt, or hasnt been uproar from them using a trans individual.

that is the OP's point!

stephen_n

bodice ripper wrote: »

Of fat kids, or yanks, or Italians, or people with tattoos, or ugly people....


oh wait, they do that.

That hardly answers the question, so what do you think? because the last time I checked, yanks and Italians weren't vulnerable groups in society! Nor did I see fat people in the add, I saw the insinuation of doing stupid things, driving behind a bus, or hanging around in your neighbors back garden at night trying to steal wifi linked to going into a supposed gay bar and dancing with a drag/trans perso caricature but sure that's just the same thing isn't it!

filmbuffboy

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Bit of reality here for a second, it's not adverts like this that cause someone to be looked at strangely or mocked while walking down a street, it's a guy dressing as a woman that's causing the reaction. It's not meteor or any other media's influence that is causing the problem.
There's a local transgender that was being made fun of by some of my school friends well before anyone knew what a transgender was. There was no media influence. It's the reality, the dude in the dress is causing the reaction, probably 99% of people think it's odd and school kids will make fun of it no matter what you do.
We've 3 local trangenders/drag queens (can anyone tell the difference just by looking?) and the all look completely out of place and in no way appear feminine.

If you don't want to feel like a freak walking down the street well then don't wear high heals and a skirt if your any way manly. Writing to meteor or snickers etc won't change a thing.

your attitude towards people who are different than you is disgusting

drunkmonkey

filmbuffboy wrote: »

your attitude towards people who are different than you is disgusting

What are you on about I was talking about society not my own personal opinion. I've no problem with guys dressing as girls, each to there own but if your going to try and look like the odd one out don't expect society to think your normal and don't try and make society out to be wrong or chastise them for their opinion.

If you dressed like that before the invention of TV/Internet you would have still got the same reaction from people. What OP is trying to do is blame the media for the way society portrays him/her which is a fundamentally flawed opinion as the opinion is not born from the media it's born from a natural reaction to something which is outside the borders of normal accepted behavior.

bodice ripper

stephen_n wrote: »

That hardly answers the question, so what do you think? because the last time I checked, yanks and Italians weren't vulnerable groups in society! Nor did I see fat people in the add, I saw the insinuation of doing stupid things, driving behind a bus, or hanging around in your neighbors back garden at night trying to steal wifi linked to going into a supposed gay bar and dancing with a drag/trans perso caricature but sure that's just the same thing isn't it!

Ads are full of caricatures. And I don't agree with your reading of the ad. I saw an ad with a gormless young fella doing stupid stuff for free internet. Going into a gay bar just to get internet is stupid. there was no indication that there was anything dangerous/wrong with what the patrons were doing.

bodice ripper

Freiheit wrote: »

here's various people,who for various reasons have less than perfect appearances,but do we want a society that ridicules them?.

Seriously? We'd need to do away with advertising completely if ridiculing people's appearance is out.

filmbuffboy

drunkmonkey wrote: »

What are you on about I was talking about society not my own personal opinion. I've no problem with guys dressing as girls, each to there own but if your going to try and look like the odd one out don't expect society to think your normal and don't try and make society out to be wrong or chastise them for their opinion.

If you dressed like that before the invention of TV/Internet you would have still got the same reaction from people. What OP is trying to do is blame the media for the way society portrays him/her which is a fundamentally flawed opinion as the opinion is not born from the media it's born from a natural reaction to something which is outside the borders of normal accepted behavior.

what am i talking about? using words like freak to describe someone who is different to you in your original post is disgusting, and tells me that you do have a problem with guys dressing as girls, if you didnt you wouldnt have used such a toxic word. thats what im talking about.


so youre saying that because people naturally react with surprise or disgust at a trans person in public that we should just accept it???? shocking.

stephen_n

bodice ripper wrote: »

Ads are full of caricatures. And I don't agree with your reading of the ad. I saw an ad with a gormless young fella doing stupid stuff for free internet. Going into a gay bar just to get internet is stupid. there was no indication that there was anything dangerous/wrong with what the patrons were doing.

The dangerous part was the cycling behind a bus while trying to use the Internet!

The scene in the bar is set to suggest a bunch of lonely people and the only one getting attention is so a guy can use the Internet but no nothing wrong with that what so ever!

Ads are full of caricatures this is true but not so targeted as this one is, taking the piss out of culchies or Dubs in general terms is one thing but I could just imagine the level of complaints if an add for car insurance suggested that all Dublin people were car thieves! The context and framing counts too and is what causes the problem with the add!

bodice ripper

stephen_n wrote: »

The dangerous part was the cycling behind a bus while trying to use the Internet!

The scene in the bar is set to suggest a bunch of lonely people and the only one getting attention is so a guy can use the Internet but no nothing wrong with that what so ever!

I rather thought the tone was more "look at this gormless eejit pissing about in something he doesn't understand". I didn't get the "bunch of lonely people" bit at all.

wonderfulname

I don't think this ad is "offensive", I don't think the op does either, it's another ad appealing to and reinforcing negative perceptions, it doesn't mention them, it doesn't promote them, but it uses them. Yes it's a small thing, but in a society like ours large scale misconceptions are built on small things, not authority figures screaming them at us, we don't buy into that anymore.

Fair play to the OP for a very measured and adequate response to this.

Selkies

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Bit of reality here for a second, it's not adverts like this that cause someone to be looked at strangely or mocked while walking down a street, it's a guy dressing as a woman that's causing the reaction. It's not meteor or any other media's influence that is causing the problem.
There's a local transgender that was being made fun of by some of my school friends well before anyone knew what a transgender was. There was no media influence. It's the reality, the dude in the dress is causing the reaction, probably 99% of people think it's odd and school kids will make fun of it no matter what you do.
We've 3 local trangenders/drag queens (can anyone tell the difference just by looking?) and the all look completely out of place and in no way appear feminine.

If you don't want to feel like a freak walking down the street well then don't wear high heals and a skirt if your any way manly. Writing to meteor or snickers etc won't change a thing.

I imagine that for you it would be a choice if you decided to wear female clothing, for some people born with with male genitalia wearing male clothes causes anxiety and depression which can in many cases ultimately lead to suicide.
As a rule I try to avoid any pattern of thoughts or behavior that could potentially lead to suicide and so to reduce those suicidal thoughts I do my best to go out dressed up regularly even while I'm waiting for hormones/surgery.
For some people the choice is more complicated.

Selkies

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Bit of reality here for a second, it's not adverts like this that cause someone to be looked at strangely or mocked while walking down a street, it's a guy dressing as a woman that's causing the reaction. It's not meteor or any other media's influence that is causing the problem.
There's a local transgender that was being made fun of by some of my school friends well before anyone knew what a transgender was. There was no media influence. It's the reality, the dude in the dress is causing the reaction, probably 99% of people think it's odd and school kids will make fun of it no matter what you do.
We've 3 local trangenders/drag queens (can anyone tell the difference just by looking?) and the all look completely out of place and in no way appear feminine.

If you don't want to feel like a freak walking down the street well then don't wear high heals and a skirt if your any way manly. Writing to meteor or snickers etc won't change a thing.

That's a pretty cool argument, you're completely right.

It's perfectly natural for people to be transphobic, homophobic, racist, misogynistic etc. Denying that fact would be utter madness, but wouldn't it be awesome instead of society reinforcing these natural tendencies that instead we chose our the path our culture could take to go against what is normal and towards what is really awesome.

I don't mean to say that kids naturally reject it because they don't have a problem with it until they get into school (unless that school is an accepting one, and not one that fires teachers based on sexual orientation like catholic schools do), I just mean that communities tend to reinforce any traditions they have, but don't worry we change these natural traditions all the time.

The best part is we've done it before with racism and homophobia to a huge extent and transphobia to a lesser but still large extent. So it's not like it's not possible or it's too difficult, I'd go so far as to say that we're quite good at it.

Or do you think we are better off being afraid of someone who likes to wear pink?

Selkies

bodice ripper wrote: »

I rather thought the tone was more "look at this gormless eejit pissing about in something he doesn't understand". I didn't get the "bunch of lonely people" bit at all.

Really? You didn't spot that everyone in that bar aside from the two dancing were drinking alone? Perhaps look at the ad again?

bodice ripper

Selkies wrote: »

Really? You didn't spot that everyone in that bar aside from the two dancing were drinking alone? Perhaps look at the ad again?

It's a senario that no one would bat an eyelid at if the people were straight men.

stephen_n

bodice ripper wrote: »

It's a senario that no one would bat an eyelid at if the people were straight men.

Would the ad have any comic effect if it had?

bodice ripper

stephen_n wrote: »

Would the ad have any comic effect if it had?

middle aged and lonely? sure, that is used for comic effect all the time. I don't find that or the ad funny personally.

bodice ripper

Selkies wrote: »

It may be hard to believe but what is in the media whether that be films, tv, music, literature etc. really effects how people think.
Like for example in Rwanda there was a massive amount of literature talking about murdering tutsis before the genocide took place, you can spot the same thing in europe up to and during world war 2 with anti semitism. In Israeli schools and media you can see the same thing against palestinians, in palestinian schools and media you see the same thing against Israelis.

Obviously these examples are far more extreme, lets drop it down a level.



If we were from Mississippi back when this picture was taken, we would have no clue what the problem with that is. Many people today don't even know what the problem with that is. It was just a bit of crack. a bit of crack at someone elses expense.