Irish Rail - booked ticket to Westport, get off at Castlebar

ballooba

Am I going to run into any problems if I have booked an Irish Rail ticket Westport and I get off at Castlebar? On my return journey I will pick up the train at Westport.

foggy_lad

ballooba wrote: »

Am I going to run into any problems if I have booked an Irish Rail ticket Westport and I get off at Castlebar? On my return journey I will pick up the train at Westport.

Yes, you could recieve a fine in Castlebar as the ticket you booked is for the journey to Westport only and you do not have a ticket to get off the train in Castlebar. You can however claim that you are taking a break of journey(allowed for inter-city journeys) in Castlebar which will allow you leave the station and go about your business. But if the staff there wanted to check all later trains for you completing your journey to Westport they could easily stop you boarding a train in Westport for your return journey or let you board then present you with their evidence and fine you as well as charg you for the return journey again!

LXFlyer

foggy_lad wrote: »

Yes, you could recieve a fine in Castlebar as the ticket you booked is for the journey to Westport only and you do not have a ticket to get off the train in Castlebar. You can however claim that you are taking a break of journey(allowed for inter-city journeys) in Castlebar which will allow you leave the station and go about your business.

Utter rubbish. Frankly this is totally sensationalist nonsense.

OP - no problem whatsoever with you finishing in Castlebar. Your ticket is for a longer journey.

TheBody

lxflyer wrote: »

Utter rubbish. Frankly this is totally sensationalist nonsense.

OP - no problem whatsoever with you finishing in Castlebar. Your ticket is for a longer journey.

+1 for this post. Unless things have changed in the last few years your shouldn't have a problem. I guess you can call your local train station or call customer care on: 1850 366 222.

ballooba

Decided on Newport instead, some feicers have booked up all of the accommodation in Westport. Thanks folks.

foggy_lad

lxflyer wrote: »

Utter rubbish. Frankly this is totally sensationalist nonsense.

OP - no problem whatsoever with you finishing in Castlebar. Your ticket is for a longer journey.

http://www.irishrail.ie/media/ConditionsOfTravel1.pdf

4. Periods of validity of tickets
4.1 Subject to Condition 4.2, tickets are valid as follows:
4.1.1 single tickets are valid for the date shown on the ticket;
4.1.2 return tickets are valid for one outward journey from “Station From” to
“Station To” on the date of issue only and a second journey in the
opposite direction only within the period of validity shown on the ticket.
Ordinary return tickets are not valid for two journeys in the same direction.
The return portion of an ordinary return ticket is only valid if the outward
portion has already been used in respect of the outward journey;
4.1.3 all other tickets are valid for the period of validity shown on the
ticket or stated in the publications and notices of and applicable to
Iarnród Éireann.

It is Utter Rubbish and sensationalist nonsense published by Irish Rail in their Conditions Of Carriage!

Losty Dublin

ballooba wrote: »

Decided on Newport instead, some feicers have booked up all of the accommodation in Westport. Thanks folks.

Knowing the area fairly well, the trip from Westport to Newport is a bit shorter than from Castlebar; I'd stay onboard and save a few bob on the cab fare. There's usually a few at either station and numbers on hand so you won't be stuck either way

LeftBlank

foggy_lad wrote: »

http://www.irishrail.ie/media/ConditionsOfTravel1.pdf
It is Utter Rubbish and sensationalist nonsense published by Irish Rail in their Conditions Of Carriage!

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8.2 Except as may be specified in the publications and notices of and applicable
to Iarnród Éireann, the holder of an return ticket may break his or her journey
at intermediate stations on any route for which the ticket is valid, provided the
journey is completed within the same calendar day, except where the
timetable does not permit, in which latter case the journey must be
completed on the next available service.

foggy_lad

LeftBlank wrote: »

foggy_lad wrote: »

http://www.irishrail.ie/media/ConditionsOfTravel1.pdf
It is Utter Rubbish and sensationalist nonsense published by Irish Rail in their Conditions Of Carriage!

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8.2 Except as may be specified in the publications and notices of and applicable
to Iarnród Éireann, the holder of an return ticket may break his or her journey
at intermediate stations on any route for which the ticket is valid, provided the
journey is completed within the same calendar day, except where the
timetable does not permit, in which latter case the journey must be
completed on the next available service.

yes you would be allowed to break the journey but only if you continue from the point you break the journey to the destination station later in the day or on the first available service the next day

yer man!

They really won't care either way, as said above if you are asked, just say you want a break. It's a bit like asking for a smaller meal for the same price in a restaurant, they shouldn't really care.....

goingnowhere

As its not an ordinary ticket, its an online discounted fare, break of journey does not apply

No problem get off at Castlebar.

Fare from Dublin to Westport will be the greater than or equal to Dublin Castlebar so no problems

The only issue is if where you got off resulted in you saving money due to a use of a discounted ticket not valid at that station, but valid to the printed destination.

LXFlyer

The OP would not have been breaking their journey at Castlebar. They would have used the outward portion up by getting off at Castlebar.

The return would be valid from Westport.

Given the OP would have bought a higher priced ticket to Westport, talk of fines etc is utter nonsense.

The original reply is and remains absolute rubbish.

Jamie2k9

You will have no problems at all, once the online fare from Dublin-Westport is the same as Dublin-Castlebar. I have seen Irish Rail telling a passenger to book Dublin-Westport when they wanted to get off in Rosscommon and return from Westport and Irish Rail tweeted its the same price to Westport as Rosscommon return and book a return journey to/from Westport and you will advoid a seconf €3 admin fee.

mickydoomsux

ballooba wrote: »

Am I going to run into any problems if I have booked an Irish Rail ticket Westport and I get off at Castlebar? On my return journey I will pick up the train at Westport.

I work for Irish Rail in a booking office/ticket checking capacity.

You will have no problems at all getting off at an earlier stop. Foggy is once again trying to muddy the waters by making things up and deliberatly misinterpreting terms and conditions so just ignore him.

clunked

Some foggy logic in this thread:):).

ballooba

Losty Dublin wrote: »

Knowing the area fairly well, the trip from Westport to Newport is a bit shorter than from Castlebar; I'd stay onboard and save a few bob on the cab fare. There's usually a few at either station and numbers on hand so you won't be stuck either way

Any idea how much for the cab?

Victor

foggy_lad wrote: »

http://www.irishrail.ie/media/ConditionsOfTravel1.pdf
It is Utter Rubbish and sensationalist nonsense published by Irish Rail in their Conditions Of Carriage!

The Conditions Of Carriage are not meant as a form of imprisonment. Even Irish Rail recognise that journeys don't necessarily start or end at stations

It would only be a problem if the ticket for the longer trip would be more [edit] cheaper [/edit] than the ticket for the shorter trip (happens in a small number of cases), in which case the passenger would be doing the train company out of money.

ongarboy

Victor wrote: »

It would only be a problem if the ticket for the longer trip would be more expensive than the ticket for the shorter trip (happens in a small number of cases), in which case the passenger would be doing the train company out of money.

Do you not mean the other way around? I would have thought fares for most longer distance trips (eg Dublin-Westport) would be more expensive then shorter distance trips (eg Dublin-Castlebar).

LXFlyer

He does. Tsk tsk Victor!!

n97 mini

goingnowhere wrote: »

As its not an ordinary ticket, its an online discounted fare,

I don't think the bye laws were amended for online fares, so if anything it's a concession fare, just like an under 16 fare.

Concession fares have the same conditions as normal fares, unless you can show the legislation that indicates otherwise?

n97 mini

mickydoomsux wrote: »

I work for Irish Rail in a booking office/ticket checking capacity.

You will have no problems at all getting off at an earlier stop.

Unless you rock up to the ticket booth speaking Irish?

Hilly Bill

n97 mini wrote: »

Unless you rock up to the ticket booth speaking Irish?

That makes no sense .

Victor

n97 mini wrote: »

Unless you rock up to the ticket booth speaking Irish?

No need for trolling.

Victor

n97 mini wrote: »

I don't think the bye laws were amended for online fares, so if anything it's a concession fare, just like an under 16 fare.

Concession fares have the same conditions as normal fares, unless you can show the legislation that indicates otherwise?

The bye-laws aren't the only rules on such things, there are also the conditions attached to specific tickets and generally. http://www.irishrail.ie/media/ConditionsOfTravel1.pdf

n97 mini

Ok, there are two things here, as far as I see.

1. The Conditions of Carriage are IE's interpretations of the laws
2. The Conditions of Carriage make no mention of on-line tickets

Regarding point 1. IE can publish whatever they want to, but unless the law is there to back them up they don't mean anything.

Correct me if I'm wrong?

GerardKeating

lxflyer wrote: »

Utter rubbish. Frankly this is totally sensationalist nonsense.

OP - no problem whatsoever with you finishing in Castlebar. Your ticket is for a longer journey.

Actually, I remember (long long long time ago) a poster in landowne road station which specifically stated that this was not allowed.

And Section 10.1 of the current terms and conditions (attached) states

"Subject to Condition 8, any passenger using a ticket for any station, either beyond or short of that for which the ticket is valid will be liable to pay the full ordinary single fare for the journey made and he or she may be liable to prosecution"

River Song

I've done it on the DART/Commuter lines before...for example bought a ticket from Connolly to Bray, got off in Killiney, and went back to Connolly later. The ticket machines don't seem to have a problem with it...ever.

Hilly Bill

GerardKeating wrote: »

Actually, I remember (long long long time ago) a poster in landowne road station which specifically stated that this was not allowed.

And Section 10.1 of the current terms and conditions (attached) states

"Subject to Condition 8, any passenger using a ticket for any station, either beyond or short of that for which the ticket is valid will be liable to pay the full ordinary single fare for the journey made and he or she may be liable to prosecution"

If you are getting off at a stop before the stop for which you have paid for then you have a valid ticket for that part of the journey surely?.
Surely you cant get done for paying too much for the journey that you actually took like paying for Pearse to Bray and getting off at Sandymount.

foggy_lad

Hilly Bill wrote: »

If you are getting off at a stop before the stop for which you have paid for then you have a valid ticket for that part of the journey surely?.
Surely you cant get done for paying too much for the journey that you actually took like paying for Pearse to Bray and getting off at Sandymount.

You buy a ticket for a journey between two points with Irish Rail and normally you can board or allight at any point in between especially if entitled to take a break in your journey Except where the fare to the nearer station is more than the fare you have paid to the destination station!

If you buy a ticket online at a reduced fare it is subject to you boarding and allighting at the stations listed on the ticket as start and end points and failure to do so invalidates that ticket. If that ticket is a return ticket then the return portion is also invalid

tvc15

foggy_lad wrote: »

Hilly Bill wrote: »

If you are getting off at a stop before the stop for which you have paid for then you have a valid ticket for that part of the journey surely?.
Surely you cant get done for paying too much for the journey that you actually took like paying for Pearse to Bray and getting off at Sandymount.

You buy a ticket for a journey between two points with Irish Rail and normally you can board or allight at any point in between especially if entitled to take a break in your journey Except where the fare to the nearer station is more than the fare you have paid to the destination station!

If you buy a ticket online at a reduced fare it is subject to you boarding and allighting at the stations listed on the ticket as start and end points and failure to do so invalidates that ticket. If that ticket is a return ticket then the return portion is also invalid

Thank god irish rail have more common sense than this nonsense, when you're in the hole stop digging, no one agrees with you and no one wants a legal discussion on this, next you will tell us they have to accept postage stamps as a form of payment as they are considered legal tender (too late for an office reference?)

Hilly Bill

So if the fare would be less than what you have paid for at the point you get off the train then its all good ye?

foggy_lad

Hilly Bill wrote: »

So if the fare would be less than what you have paid for at the point you get off the train then its all good ye?

http://www.irishrail.ie/index.jsp?p=220&n=139
http://www.irishrail.ie/media/ConditionsOfTravel1.pdf

5. Available route of tickets
5.1 Except as specified in Appendix 1 of the regulations and conditions contained
in the publications and notices of and applicable to Iarnród Éireann:
5.1.1 a ticket is valid for use only between the stations shown on the ticket;
and
5.1.2 tickets which do not state a route are only valid for the most direct
journey.

10. Using tickets from any other stations
10.1 Subject to Condition 8, any passenger using a ticket for any station, either
beyond or short of that for which the ticket is valid will be liable to pay the full
ordinary single fare for the journey made and he or she may be liable to
prosecution.

Tickets are valid from XX to YY and if used to travel to or from other stations they are invalidated and passengers are than travelling without a valid ticket.

Hilly Bill

foggy_lad wrote: »

http://www.irishrail.ie/index.jsp?p=220&n=139
http://www.irishrail.ie/media/ConditionsOfTravel1.pdf
Tickets are valid from XX to YY and if used to travel to or from other stations they are invalidated and passengers are than travelling without a valid ticket.

Like what you have in bold. If i get off before the stop i paid for, then im still in possession of a valid ticket as im still between the stations on the ticket. If i go further than what i have paid for then its an offence.

foggy_lad

Hilly Bill wrote: »

Like what you have in bold. If i get off before the stop i paid for, then im still in possession of a valid ticket as im still between the stations on the ticket. If i go further than what i have paid for then its an offence.

No, You must travel from XX to YY as stated on the ticket except where a break of journey is taken at an intermediate station. If you end the outward journey at Roscommon when you have a ticket to Castlebar or Westport you are invalidating your ticket as it can only be used for the journey printed on it!

"Between" is used in terms of "From" and "To" in either direction.

Hilly Bill

I would still have a valid ticket at that point . You wont get prosecuted for not completing your full journey only if you go further than what you have paid for.
In this instance im talking about a single journey.

foggy_lad

Hilly Bill wrote: »

I would still have a valid ticket at that point . You wont get prosecuted for not completing your full journey only if you go further than what you have paid for.
In this instance im talking about a single journey.

Web fares are concessionary tickets and subject to the conditions stated above so if you end your journey at any station other than that specified on your ticked then your ticket is invalid and the appropriate fare for the journey you have taken must be paid.

Hilly Bill

foggy_lad wrote: »

Web fares are concessionary tickets and subject to the conditions stated above so if you end your journey at any station other than that specified on your ticked then your ticket is invalid and the appropriate fare for the journey you have taken must be paid.

Only if its greater than the price of your ticket.

foggy_lad

Hilly Bill wrote: »

foggy_lad wrote: »

Web fares are concessionary tickets and subject to the conditions stated above so if you end your journey at any station other than that specified on your ticked then your ticket is invalid and the appropriate fare for the journey you have taken must be paid.

Only if its greater than the price of your ticket.

Where does it say this in the conditions of carriage or ticket terms and conditions?

Victor

Take it to PM.

And have a week off.