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New roundabout on The Quay

  • 09-08-2012 8:49pm
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,321 ✭✭✭


    Can someone enlighten me, as I'm confused.

    What is the merit of a new roundabout on The Quay, one entrance of which is a one-way street, another a car park?

    It must be costing quite a lot of money; I don't recall there ever being a particularly bad traffic problem at that particular junction.

    A.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 51,054 ✭✭✭✭Professey Chin


    Its to slow the traffic on the quay down with another going in at gladstone street(shaws).
    Traffic is going to be wide single lanes the length of the quay with very few crossovers (and dedicated lanes where there is).
    I cant wait


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 152 ✭✭tobey


    also to force trucks to use the new bridge but as it is still a major road any truck or trailor damaged by the roundabouts wil be liable to claim from the council, should of left it the **** the way it was, there slowly building waterford around tourists and not the people that live here with all he stupid ammount of zebra crossings around town and by the park


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,622 ✭✭✭lassykk


    Its to slow the traffic on the quay down with another going in at gladstone street(shaws).
    Traffic is going to be wide single lanes the length of the quay with very few crossovers (and dedicated lanes where there is).
    I cant wait

    No I think you will find it's a way of creating complete gridlock, mayhem and increase the number of accidents on the quay.

    Whoever came up with the retarded idea should be made travel through it repeatedly every day during rush hour and then they should be made fix it at their expense.

    Makes my blood boil how idiots get positions of power


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 51,054 ✭✭✭✭Professey Chin


    lassykk wrote: »
    This post has been deleted.

    Why? itll take getting used to but I think it will work out much better in the end.
    People here dont know how to use 2 lanes. Constantly parking in one or driving down hovering in both. Single wider lanes make more sense. The roundabouts will make getting onto the quay easier. I drive on the quay almost everyday and cant wait for it to be finished although the delays have caused hell.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 65 ✭✭iphonehead


    We arrived home from Dublin at approx 1:30 today, drove along the Quay, both myself and the Mrs exchanged WTF's as regards the roundabout, and then turned up William Street - the feckin tailback from this roundabout went the whole way back up to the park... nuts! Imagine it coming up to Christmas - they'll be tailbacked up to the Uluru.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,626 ✭✭✭wmpdd3


    The way things are going they may as well pedestrinise the mall as you'd be quicker walking than driving on it, between the crossing at waterford crystal and the new roundabout. Last friday there was a jeep parked on the roundabout outside the gpo. And yesterday, the bus eirean bus in front of me stopped dead on the roundabout and reversed and he had misjudged how much room he needed to get around it. Dont even start me on the sods still indicating right for city square 10feet from a roundabout.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,892 ✭✭✭allthedoyles


    tobey wrote: »
    also to force trucks to use the new bridge but as it is still a major road any truck or trailor damaged by the roundabouts wil be liable to claim from the council, should of left it the **** the way it was, there slowly building waterford around tourists and not the people that live here with all he stupid ammount of zebra crossings around town and by the park

    Many trucks are still using the city to avoid toll charges , especially off-peak .


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,245 ✭✭✭old gregg


    it's a chicane designed to bunch the race up before reaching the first corner.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,036 ✭✭✭cocoshovel


    New bridge from reginalds tower to the bottom of Rockshire hill is what we need! :pac:


  • Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional South East Moderators Posts: 28,552 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cabaal


    tobey wrote: »
    also to force trucks to use the new bridge but as it is still a major road any truck or trailor damaged by the roundabouts wil be liable to claim from the council, should of left it the **** the way it was, there slowly building waterford around tourists and not the people that live here with all he stupid ammount of zebra crossings around town and by the park

    did you ever think that they were creating a city that would be more friendly to people....regardless of if they are local or not.

    its not all about cars you know


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,510 ✭✭✭Max Powers


    I think the works on the quay are a great idea:
    - better connection with the river, make the area more pleseant in general.
    - easier for tourists to ramble around viking triangle/river area/quays
    - safer for pedestrians, more road crossings, slower traffic
    - will facilitate gradual changing of quays from a car park to a more leisurely relaxing area which is what any city with river frontage does.
    - will hopefully remove vehicles especially trucks from city centre. (you dont see trucks bombing thru any other city)

    All we need know is for drivers to use their cop-on and courtesy and drive properly and not park on side of road or footpaths. hopefully, they will get funds to remove cars from quays when Waterside/gas works car park opens up so that they can make the area down there nicer. What attracts tourists is good for all of us.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,201 ✭✭✭CardBordWindow


    How long are they at it now? Granted, the original company doing it went bust, but about 2/3 weeks ago, a new company resumed work on it, and have done nothing since.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,081 ✭✭✭wellboytoo


    tobey wrote: »
    also to force trucks to use the new bridge but as it is still a major road any truck or trailor damaged by the roundabouts wil be liable to claim from the council, should of left it the **** the way it was, there slowly building waterford around tourists and not the people that live here with all he stupid ammount of zebra crossings around town and by the park

    Speechless...... a boy racer?
    The Grammer Nazi's would have used the Zyklon B on you long ago.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,881 ✭✭✭JohnMarston


    All the roads in Waterford City are pristine. We can afford to spend money on a critical roundabout. Not like the city council needs it for anything else :rolleyes:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 335 ✭✭ratedR


    The plan is to completely stop people turning right, and across oncoming traffic on the quay, which in my opinion (along with people parking in the inside lane from outside centra to Treacys Hotel) is the biggest problem on the quay. Apparently in time another roundabout closer to the bridge is also planned on the quay.

    Time will tell if it works.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,464 ✭✭✭✭Potential-Monke


    And they'll have a median path the length of the quay, like they have after the roundbaout heading towards the Tower. If it stops people attempting to cross 2/3/4 lanes of traffic, regardless of how slow it'll make the quay, it's a good thing. Too many crashes, too many people unable to navigate 2 lanes, too many idiots stopping and parking in 1 lane, and too many people incapable of using indicators to allow it to stay the way it is.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 51,054 ✭✭✭✭Professey Chin


    ratedR wrote: »
    The plan is to completely stop people turning right, and across oncoming traffic on the quay, which in my opinion (along with people parking in the inside lane from outside centra to Treacys Hotel) is the biggest problem on the quay. Apparently in time another roundabout closer to the bridge is also planned on the quay.

    Yep. Gladstone street.
    Theres an old thread here somewhere with a link to the full pdf of the plans.
    Trying to find it on the council website & failing miserably :/
    Although I did just find the old North Quays development plan! That went well....


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,126 ✭✭✭Psychedelic


    http://www.waterfordcity.ie/documents/notices/Revised1.7.10Part8NoticeForNewspaper02-10.doc
    The construction of a Green Route between Colbeck Street and Rice Bridge, via The Mall, Custom House Parade, Coal Quay, Meagher’s Quay and Merchants Quay. Green Routes are roads which include dedicated or shared facilities for buses and cyclists in addition to improved facilities for pedestrians. The proposed scheme provides for: -

    Throughout the Scheme
     Provide upgraded bus stops throughout, including the provision of bus shelters and Kassel Kerbs to facilitate disabled and mobility impaired access to buses;
     Provide dropped kerbs and tactile paving to facilitate the mobility and sensory impaired pedestrian;
     Upgrade road signs and road markings where appropriate;
     Remove selected trees, in particular along the Mall, and replace with semi-mature specimens to detailed landscaping design;
     Upgrade signalised junctions as necessary;
     Upgrade pedestrian crossing facilities.

    Colbeck Street to The Quays (The Mall)
     Provide advisory cycle tracks in the both directions;
     Existing perpendicular parking converted to parallel parking bays. Dedicated Coach Parking Bays and a new Taxi Rank to be provided to facilitate access to / from both the Waterford Crystal Experience and the Theatre Royal;
     Reconstruct and repair footpaths on both sides of the Street as necessary.

    The Mall to Keizer Street
     Provide bus & cycle lane on the approach to the Mall, operating between 07.30 to 18.30, Monday to Friday;
     Provide a westbound advisory cycle track for cyclists travelling in the direction of Rice Bridge;
     Provide a right-turn lane for traffic entering both Henrietta Street and Greyfriar’s, with a solid landscaped central island provided between these right turn pockets;
     Reconstruct and repair footpaths on both sides of this Street as necessary.

    Keizer Street to Gladstone Street
     Construct two number roundabouts, the first of which is provided at the junction with Keizer Street and a second at the junction with Gladstone Street. These new junction arrangements will mitigate existing conflicting traffic movements, facilitate vehicle movements into and out of the riverside car parks, in addition to allowing u-turn movements on The Quays to be safely completed;
     Provide a solid landscaped island between Keizer Street and Gladstone Street to enhance the local streetscape environment, make the street environment safer through the provision of traffic calming, enable equal and inclusive access for all road users, in parallel to facilitating ease and convenience of access for pedestrians crossing the road carriageway between the City Centre and the Riverside walk (and car parks);
     Provide advisory cycle tracks in both directions between the two roundabouts;
     Reassign on-street perpendicular car parking spaces to accommodate a 3 bay high quality public transport bus interchange located on the southern side of The Quays between Exchange Street and Conduit Street;
     Enhance the existing bus interchange facilities at The Clock Tower.
     Provide loading bays, coach parking and taxi bays located at a number of locations;
     Provide upgraded pedestrian crossing facilities at the junction with Barronstrand Street;
     Reconstruct and Repair footpaths on both sides of the Street as necessary.

    Gladstone Street to Vulcan Street
     Provide bus & cycle lane in both directions on the approaches to Vulcan Street (leading to Thomas Street) and Gladstone Street, operating between 07.30 to 18.30, Monday to Friday;
     Provide a dedicated right-turn lanes to the Riverside Car Park;
     Relocate and extend taxi-rank closer to Bus Station Terminal Building;
     Enhance the existing eastbound bus stop with a larger boarding area, and the provision of Kassel kerbs and a new Shelter with seating.
     Increase the depth of existing on-street parallel parking bays by widening the footpath into the carriageway were appropriate;
     Reconstruct and Repair footpaths on both sides of this Street as necessary.

    Vulcan Street to Rice Bridge
     Provide bus & cycle lane on the approach to Rice Bridge and Gladstone Street, operating between 07.30 to 18.30, Monday to Friday;
     Provide an eastbound advisory cycle track;
     Provide right-turn lanes to side roads and car parks;
     Relocate existing taxi-rank closer to Bus Station Terminal Building;
     Increase the depth of existing on-street parallel parking bays by widening the footpath into the carriageway were appropriate;
     Reconstruct and Repair footpaths on both sides of this Street as necessary.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 51,054 ✭✭✭✭Professey Chin


    When you look at the entire plan it makes a lot of sense.
    Its the construction speed causing major problems


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 961 ✭✭✭cococoady



    Is there an image / computerised drawing of what it will look like when it's finished do you know?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 373 ✭✭fatherbuzcagney


    coming over the bridge from ferrybank side and cars turning right down billbery is the biggest danger in city at moment. will they build roundabout there or stop allowing right turning before someone gets killed!!! the roundabouts on the quay will definitely help the flow of traffic if they ever get finished. If the cost of toll bridge was reduced i would be able to use it twice daily and would ease traffic by one motorist and probably lots more but at 3.40e a go for me doesn't make economical sense .


  • Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional South East Moderators Posts: 28,552 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cabaal


    coming over the bridge from ferrybank side and cars turning right down billbery is the biggest danger in city at moment. will they build roundabout there or stop allowing right turning before someone gets killed!!! the roundabouts on the quay will definitely help the flow of traffic if they ever get finished. If the cost of toll bridge was reduced i would be able to use it twice daily and would ease traffic by one motorist and probably lots more but at 3.40e a go for me doesn't make economical sense .

    A roundabout would solve the problem but I think to build a proper one would involve alot more space then they have available to them so either they'd have to knock a building or expand into the river.

    Personally a easier solution would be to stop right turns when coming from ferrybank


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,407 ✭✭✭danjo-xx


    It looks like to me that their going for the non destructive type roundabout, by that I mean it only has a slightly raised edge all round if even that. So if a bus or truck miss judges it a bit no damage is done.

    That's what it looks like at this stage anyway and any thing is worth a try.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,145 ✭✭✭✭Gael23


    I think the real reason is to stop trucks going that way to avoid the toll but in the process will cause a serious accident


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 252 ✭✭jennygirl


    i think the long term goal of ridding the quays of car parks is admirable. a green area all round the clock tower, bridge and The Plaza. it would make Waterford one of the best city centres in the country!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,321 ✭✭✭Trick of the Tail


    Cabaal wrote: »
    A roundabout would solve the problem but I think to build a proper one would involve alot more space then they have available to them so either they'd have to knock a building or expand into the river.

    Personally a easier solution would be to stop right turns when coming from ferrybank

    No, here is the obvious solution: At the moment approaching the bridge from Bridge Street there are two lanes for about 50 yards. Thats pointless, I know its meant for cars wanting the right lane across the bridge but it only holds about 4 cars.

    Change it to one lane, the inside one. Then mark a right turn waiting box for cars turning right off the bridge into Bilberry, so they are out of the way of cars going straight on to Bridge Street. Sensible traffic light sequence there to allow those Bilberry-ites to turn, and Bob's yer uncle.

    See - lots of us on here come up with sensible traffic solutions for the town, but instead the muppets who always, always make a stones of it in the City Council are the ones that get huge salaries.

    A.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 781 ✭✭✭Nypd


    I couldn't see a parade being able to navigate that route anymore.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,124 ✭✭✭7upfree


    How long are they at it now? Granted, the original company doing it went bust, but about 2/3 weeks ago, a new company resumed work on it, and have done nothing since.

    And they now seem to be on builders holidays.........


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,626 ✭✭✭wmpdd3


    It would be fine, if you could go up bridge street and join the road again after the park but its a rat run through the city, through residential and school areas. I drew a map for a person to avoid the quay the other day and when he looked at it, he said he'd just get the toll and go to ardmore instead of going from the m9 to dunmore.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 51,054 ✭✭✭✭Professey Chin


    wmpdd3 wrote: »
    It would be fine, if you could go up bridge street and join the road again after the park but its a rat run through the city, through residential and school areas. I drew a map for a person to avoid the quay the other day and when he looked at it, he said he'd just get the toll and go to ardmore instead of going from the m9 to dunmore.

    Im really confused as to what would cause this :confused::confused:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,073 ✭✭✭Rubberlegs


    I'm undecided yet as to the benefits of this roundabout:confused:. Going from the Tower Hotel to the bridge a big truck would have a job getting around it. I drive a biggish car, and the first time I went round it I went " Sh******t!", the lane is quite narrow. Is the long term plan to take trucks off the Quay then?
    Also going in the opposite direction, when you pass the Clock Tower there are still 2 lanes feeding into the one lane roundabout, so still the same scrabble to get into the right hand lane to get onto it. I had hoped this would be sorted.
    I noticed also, it seems to make things a bit worse for pulling out onto the Quay from the sidestreet by the big post office. If the traffic is heavy from the Tower to the Bridge, you'd be sat there forever waiting to get out? Whereas before a good samaritan might slow down, and let you out. That can't be done on a roundabout. I saw a few cars backed up that sidestreet yesterday, the guy up front looked quite fed up!
    All this, and people seem to be confused as how to indicate on it. I admit myself the first couple of times I didn't indicate I was heading on straight down the Quay, just completely forgot:o. But I suppose we'll get used to it, no choice but to..


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,126 ✭✭✭Psychedelic


    cococoady wrote: »
    Is there an image / computerised drawing of what it will look like when it's finished do you know?
    I think I saw an image in one of the local papers a good while ago, but I can''t find anything on the city council website.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,305 ✭✭✭Green Hornet


    Cabaal wrote: »

    A roundabout would solve the problem but I think to build a proper one would involve alot more space then they have available to them so either they'd have to knock a building or expand into the river.

    Personally a easier solution would be to stop right turns when coming from ferrybank

    Yeah, I agree. They should stop right turns at peak times. It's a complete disaster in the evenings there. Some people are accommodating and do their best to let the traffic by but others sit there blocking the other traffic without a care in the world.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 51,054 ✭✭✭✭Professey Chin


    Yeah, I agree. They should stop right turns at peak times. It's a complete disaster in the evenings there. Some people are accommodating and do their best to let the traffic by but others sit there blocking the other traffic without a care in the world.

    Or some just drive down the outer lane towards the bridge and at some point suddenly decide PARKING HERE NOW! /brakes and hazards(magical parking lights they are) on.
    It should be legal to beat these people


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,990 ✭✭✭longshanks


    wmpdd3 wrote: »
    It would be fine, if you could go up bridge street and join the road again after the park but its a rat run through the city, through residential and school areas. I drew a map for a person to avoid the quay the other day and when he looked at it, he said he'd just get the toll and go to ardmore instead of going from the m9 to dunmore.

    The idea is that if you want to get to the Dunmore road from across the bridge you don't come through the city at all.
    Use the new bridge to get to the outer ring road and cut out the 'residential/school area ratrun'. People would rather sit in a traffic jam though, than pay the toll.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 51,054 ✭✭✭✭Professey Chin


    longshanks wrote: »
    The idea is that if you want to get to the Dunmore road from across the bridge you don't come through the city at all.
    Use the new bridge to get to the outer ring road and cut out the 'residential/school area ratrun'. People would rather sit in a traffic jam though, than pay the toll.

    Doesnt make any sense to use the toll for going to the Dunmore road still unless its heavy rush hour. Using the bypass is double the distance


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,990 ✭✭✭longshanks


    I'm talking about in general, cut the city out of journeys from eg. Cork road to lets say New Ross, South Kilkenny to areas outside city centre, and vice versa. There is a lot of traffic on the quay needlessly, mostly out of old habits or refusal to pay the toll.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,832 ✭✭✭✭JPA


    longshanks wrote: »
    I'm talking about in general, cut the city out of journeys from eg. Cork road to lets say New Ross, South Kilkenny to areas outside city centre, and vice versa. There is a lot of traffic on the quay needlessly, mostly out of old habits or refusal to pay the toll.

    That would be some waste of money in terms of petrol and the toll itself. And unless the traffic was very heavy it would not be quicker.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,626 ✭✭✭wmpdd3


    The guy was a tourist, last time he went down the quay was 5 years ago and i had spent 20mins stuck on the quay the day before. When he saw the route through town on the map he just decided to take the easy option, id do the same in cork for example.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 818 ✭✭✭Dunmoreroader


    I agree with it in principle; slow down traffic, divert the trucks, pedestrian friendly, back to single lane from the current double lane chicken run from the Clock Tower(will I go left or right?).
    However, it looks badly designed if busses are having to back up to get through it. Maybe they are going to shave a piece off the corner of the path in front of the GPO? I hope the finished article sorts it all out because otherwise it's a dogs dinner of a roundabout.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,174 ✭✭✭hardybuck


    longshanks wrote: »
    The idea is that if you want to get to the Dunmore road from across the bridge you don't come through the city at all.
    Use the new bridge to get to the outer ring road and cut out the 'residential/school area ratrun'. People would rather sit in a traffic jam though, than pay the toll.

    Are you mad!? That route would be at least double the distance and take far longer for most if not all times of day.

    The idea of a bypass is to remove heavy vehicles from passing through the city centre, reduce heavy vehicle noise, and to improve traffic flow by providing traffic which is passing through Waterford an alternative route.

    There should have been a river crossing built up river in the 1990's to allow for the development of the Dunmore Road, but alas this isn't an option today.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 587 ✭✭✭Dum_Dum


    My view is the City needed a second river crossing in the city centre. However, the government didn't want to pay for it, even at the height of the false boom.

    The only way forward in their minds would be a tolled crossing; and that would only work at some distance from the existing Rice bridge. Hence an empty toll bridge in the wrong place.


  • Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional South East Moderators Posts: 28,552 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cabaal


    Dum_Dum wrote: »
    My view is the City needed a second river crossing in the city centre. However, the government didn't want to pay for it, even at the height of the false boom.

    The only way forward in their minds would be a tolled crossing; and that would only work at some distance from the existing Rice bridge. Hence an empty toll bridge in the wrong place.[/QUOTE]

    Nonsense,
    The only way you could tell if Waterford needs a second bridge is to build a bypass and remove all the HGV and non-Waterford traffic out of the city centre.

    They built the bypass (which was needed) and people still don't use it so its still very hard to judge things.

    The new bridge isn't in the wrong place at all, its part of a by-pass...its job is to by-pass the city completely. It does that.

    Until people that are not actually going into Waterford City are forced to use the alternative route there's no way of knowing if Waterford actually needs a second bridge


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,622 ✭✭✭lassykk


    lassykk wrote: »
    No I think you will find it's a way of creating complete gridlock, mayhem and increase the number of accidents on the quay.

    Whoever came up with the retarded idea should be made travel through it repeatedly every day during rush hour and then they should be made fix it at their expense.

    Makes my blood boil how idiots get positions of power

    Why? itll take getting used to but I think it will work out much better in the end.
    People here dont know how to use 2 lanes. Constantly parking in one or driving down hovering in both. Single wider lanes make more sense. The roundabouts will make getting onto the quay easier. I drive on the quay almost everyday and cant wait for it to be finished although the delays have caused hell.

    Sorry didn't get a chance to reply to this before now.

    Well as I see it the roundabout is now operational. It doesn't look finished but it is functioning as a roundabout.

    I can't agree with you that it will work out better in the end as traffic volumes are after getting worse. Coming down the Dunmore Road to the junction at the tower hotel in the evenings has gotten slower than ever before. It was already a bottleneck for traffic and now they have made it worse. I can't see how that will ever work out better.

    The dangers I see in the morning when one lane just ends abruptly as you come down the quay towards the roundabout (from the bridge side) has already caused at least one accident and probably many more. I don't know if that is the finished article but it just reeks of stupidity.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 51,054 ✭✭✭✭Professey Chin


    lassykk wrote: »
    This post has been deleted.
    Most of the bottlenecks Ive seen are caused by drivers getting confused and trying to change lanes/slowing suddenly/turning across the other lanes to go up side streets (or in some cases just being crap drivers and not realising other cars are on the road)
    That lane doesnt end abrubtly. Theres signs on the quay indicating it is going to end soon but people just dont pay attention or just think they can jump ahead of traffic at the very end. And its all going to be a single lane when finished, only going to 2 lanes for people turning off.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,622 ✭✭✭lassykk


    lassykk wrote: »
    Sorry didn't get a chance to reply to this before now.

    Well as I see it the roundabout is now operational. It doesn't look finished but it is functioning as a roundabout.

    I can't agree with you that it will work out better in the end as traffic volumes are after getting worse. Coming down the Dunmore Road to the junction at the tower hotel in the evenings has gotten slower than ever before. It was already a bottleneck for traffic and now they have made it worse. I can't see how that will ever work out better.

    The dangers I see in the morning when one lane just ends abruptly as you come down the quay towards the roundabout (from the bridge side) has already caused at least one accident and probably many more. I don't know if that is the finished article but it just reeks of stupidity.
    Most of the bottlenecks Ive seen are caused by drivers getting confused and trying to change lanes/slowing suddenly/turning across the other lanes to go up side streets (or in some cases just being crap drivers and not realising other cars are on the road)
    That lane doesnt end abrubtly. Theres signs on the quay indicating it is going to end soon but people just dont pay attention or just think they can jump ahead of traffic at the very end. And its all going to be a single lane when finished, only going to 2 lanes for people turning off.

    The problem as I see it is that the roundabout is slowing down the flow of traffic which is resulting the traffic backing up and people not being able to get through the lights at the tower hotel when coming from the Dunmore Road. The only reason for this is the new roundabout (and as you state crap drivers incapable of handling a roundabout) but I would much prefer the roundabout wasn't there and then the problem wouldn't arise.

    I think my problem with the lane ending abruptly will be rectified when the lanes are sorted out. I still think one lane the length of the quay is a disaster as during rush hour both lanes are full and with the new layout everyone will have to fit into one lane instead. I do appreciate that people use the inner lane at the moment as a parking space and that is annoying but to take away this lane completely will definitely hamper traffic flow.

    Either way I reckon we differ in our opinions on the merits of the roundabout but I just wanted to reply to your previous response to my comment.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 83 ✭✭Lamph


    The solution here is a bridge at or near the Reginalds Tower end of the quay.
    But they needed to have that built first, and then put in those dodgy roundabouts...

    ...Without the extra bridge, the quay is too congested to handle the changes.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,626 ✭✭✭wmpdd3


    We have no hope of a second river crossing at the tower as it would have to be another lifting span bridge or it would make rice bridge redundant.
    The danger going down the quay is when everyone is in the right hand lane, the correst lane and one person decides to indicate right, the rest of the queue clammers for the left lane, whether its occupied or not.
    In term of delivering the green route, i was offered a bike to cycyle from ferrybank to ardkeen everyday. Not a hope, too dangerous. Between the quay and the cycle lane/car park on the dunmore rd, there is no safe way to cycle through the city.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,510 ✭✭✭Max Powers


    wmpdd3 wrote: »
    We have no hope of a second river crossing at the tower as it would have to be another lifting span bridge or it would make rice bridge redundant.
    The danger going down the quay is when everyone is in the right hand lane, the correst lane and one person decides to indicate right, the rest of the queue clammers for the left lane, whether its occupied or not.
    In term of delivering the green route, i was offered a bike to cycyle from ferrybank to ardkeen everyday. Not a hope, too dangerous. Between the quay and the cycle lane/car park on the dunmore rd, there is no safe way to cycle through the city.


    Its safe enough to cycle, yes there is bad drivers out there like across all of Ireland but its no more dangerous than cycling around dublin or Cork. Once you are using your cop on, not flying it, are well lit up etc, you will be fine.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,201 ✭✭✭CardBordWindow


    wmpdd3 wrote: »
    We have no hope of a second river crossing at the tower as it would have to be another lifting span bridge or it would make rice bridge redundant.
    The danger going down the quay is when everyone is in the right hand lane, the correst lane and one person decides to indicate right, the rest of the queue clammers for the left lane, whether its occupied or not.
    In term of delivering the green route, i was offered a bike to cycyle from ferrybank to ardkeen everyday. Not a hope, too dangerous. Between the quay and the cycle lane/car park on the dunmore rd, there is no safe way to cycle through the city.
    I have to disagree with you there. I cycle to work everyday (from Grannagh out to the estate) and don't find it dangerous. The OH lives on the dunmore road, and I find that section fine too. The cycle lane is rarely blocked (at least when i'm on it) and if it is, I just indicate that I'm moving out, and I find that the traffic behind will slow.
    There are some bad drivers on the road, but the only time I've had issues are on roadabouts. Once you keep an eye and an ear out, cycling around this city is grand. (if only the weather would improve!)


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