Katie Taylor - "Where would I be without all the prayers"

Actor

I'm going to be saying a special prayer for Katie. God is answering our prayers for the youth with role models such as Katie Taylor.

Michael Conlon and his rosary tattoos is an equally special person - not afraid to publicly pronounce his beliefs in an increasingly hostile world.

God bless Katie!

Jellicoe

and yet they will smugly claim these people are 'irrational'

Avatarr

Jellicoe wrote: »

and yet they will smugly claim these people are 'irrational'

They?????????

AtomicHorror

Avatarr wrote: »

They?????????

I think that means people like me.

We keep spoiling the good vibes by asking awkward questions like "what about all the athletes who prayed and didn't win?" and "what about all the winners who don't mention prayer". It's almost as if praying doesn't have a measurable effect on outcomes.

PDN

AtomicHorror wrote: »

I think that means people like me.

We keep spoiling the good vibes by asking awkward questions like "what about all the athletes who prayed and didn't win?" and "what about all the winners who don't mention prayer". It's almost as if praying doesn't have a measurable effect on outcomes.

Sorry, who claimed that prayer makes people win sporting events?

Jellicoe

AtomicHorror wrote: »

It's almost as if praying doesn't have a measurable effect on outcomes.

Who claims it did ? Many prayers can simply be thanksgiving for the simple privilege of having a decent meal to eat, never mind an athlete having the sheer joy of competing in the Olympics win or loose.

Arawn

I have yet to see any religious athlete thank their god for them losing, also isn't tattoos a no no in the bible?

Avatarr

PDN wrote: »

Sorry, who claimed that prayer makes people win sporting events?

Well it works for the Oscars every year!!!!

fryup

Actor wrote: »

I'm going to be saying a special prayer for Katie. God is answering our prayers for the youth with role models such as Katie Taylor.

Michael Conlon and his rosary tattoos is an equally special person - not afraid to publicly pronounce his beliefs in an increasingly hostile world.

God bless Katie!

i feel michael conlon and his rosary beads tattoo is more tribalistic than religious coming from Belfast all that, he's nailing his colours to the mast so to speak

katie i do believe is a Evangelical christan and has a deep faith

http://www.stmarks.ie/go-katie-taylor/

Benny_Cake

fryup wrote: »

i feel michael conlon and his rosary beads tattoo is more tribalistic than religious coming from Belfast all that, he's nailing his colours to the mast so to speak

I think I read somewhere that he got it to tell his opponents to say their prayers so more gangster than traditional Catholic! Great to see all our boxers, whatever their religious beliefs, doing well though.

SteelyDanJalapeno

PDN wrote: »

Sorry, who claimed that prayer makes people win sporting events?

You hardly think she did it through talent?

Stompbox

Actor wrote: »

I'm going to be saying a special prayer for Katie. God is answering our prayers for the youth with role models such as Katie Taylor.

Michael Conlon and his rosary tattoos is an equally special person - not afraid to publicly pronounce his beliefs in an increasingly hostile world.

God bless Katie!

What makes the prayer special exactly? I'm not trying to be flippant, I'd just like to know.

Also, would you still consider Katie a role model if she wasn't winning all these matches? As an aside, I don't see how she qualifies as a role model; I'm not belittling her success but she's just punching someone else repeatedly in the head more times than she gets punched herself, it's not something that I'd want the youth at large to practice.

Oh, and regarding the 'increasingly hostile' remark, would you contend that the level of hostility demonstrated by militant atheists exceeds the levels of hostility that were enacted by the Inquisition. If anything the world is becoming less hostile, and that applies to both the religious and the atheistic.

eviltwin

Is praying for a win not a form of "cheating"? Surely God would want the best person to win based on their own achievements rather than divine intervention?

SteelyDanJalapeno

eviltwin wrote: »

Is praying for a win not a form of "cheating"? Surely God would want the best person to win based on their own achievements rather than divine intervention?

To be honest I doubt he would condone this type of violent sport anyway, he'd hardly want us praying over it.

Maire2009

Ah the old faith debate.

I'm atheist but if praying to a Jesus or a God gives Katie Taylor or anyone else strength they may not find anywhere else, well then good luck to them. Its the individuals choice - I have problems with religions trying to run people's lives, not a person's faith and where they get strength from.

As for she not being a role model - she is an outstanding athlete who practices her discipline in a control environment under strict rules. Rather her than the oompa-loompa, hollister wearing, over weight, alcoholic 20 year old mother of 3 doing nothing but sitting on her arse smoking.

A humble individual at the top of her game - I've massive respect for Katie Taylor and do not care a dot for her beliefs, that's her business. She doesn't seem like one to judge you for not having the same beliefs as her anyway.

fryup

Stompbox wrote: »

Also, would you still consider Katie a role model if she wasn't winning all these matches? As an aside, I don't see how she qualifies as a role model; I'm not belittling her success but she's just punching someone else repeatedly in the head more times than she gets punched herself, it's not something that I'd want the youth at large to practice.

thats a fair point, and when she's in the ring she's not exactly practicing the christan belief of love thy neighbour now is she

Quatermain

fryup wrote: »

thats a fair point, and when she's in the ring she's not exactly practicing the christan belief of love thy neighbour now is she

You'd think so, but I've seen boxers beat each other half-way to intensive care, and then hug each other once the final bell goes. It's not blind violence. It is skill carefully applied that wins boxing matches.

Jellicoe

eviltwin wrote: »

Is praying for a win not a form of "cheating"? Surely God would want the best person to win based on their own achievements rather than divine intervention?

And how do you presume to know what she prays for ? It could be a multitude of things such as 'help me perform to the best of my ability', 'thank God for the special opportunity of being here'. I doubt anyone as grounded and humble as Katy prays to be the winner, as unbeknown to her, the opponent could be far more deserving of a win than her.

ceegee

The way some people go on you'd swear Taylor was a heavyweight pro boxer or mma fighter. The level of violence in an amateur boxing match in her weight class is no worse than many other sports. I cant recall many incidents of her or her opponent being seriously injured in her fights. Boxing is as much about discipline, respect and agility as it is about strength.

And, while Im not a believer, surely having a high profile sportsperson who publically acknowledges her faith, and has achieved so much through her perseverance and self discipline, would be a good thing for christians in Ireland?

eviltwin

Jellicoe wrote: »

And how do you presume to know what she prays for ? It could be a multitude of things such as 'help me perform to the best of my ability', 'thank God for the special opportunity of being here'. I doubt anyone as grounded and humble as Katy prays to be the winner, as unbeknown to her, the opponent could be far more deserving of a win than her.

I meant her fans, those who pray for her to win. Not the lady herself.

Seaneh

eviltwin wrote: »

I meant her fans, those who pray for her to win. Not the lady herself.

Well I know for a fact at St. Marks (her church) they pray for her protection and the protection of her opponents, that she can preform to the best of her ability and peace in God no matter what the out come.

They don't just pray for her to win, they just pray for her to do as best as she can and for her to be safe.

Nothing wrong with that.

They hope for her to win.

eviltwin

Seaneh wrote: »

Well I know for a fact at St. Marks (her church) they pray for her protection and the protection of her opponents, that she can preform to the best of her ability and peace in God no matter what the out come.

They don't just pray for her to win, they just pray for her to do as best as she can and for her to be safe.

Nothing wrong with that.

They hope for her to win.

Thank you for the clarification

philologos

Stompbox wrote: »

Actor wrote: »

I'm going to be saying a special prayer for Katie. God is answering our prayers for the youth with role models such as Katie Taylor.

Michael Conlon and his rosary tattoos is an equally special person - not afraid to publicly pronounce his beliefs in an increasingly hostile world.

God bless Katie!

What makes the prayer special exactly? I'm not trying to be flippant, I'd just like to know.

Also, would you still consider Katie a role model if she wasn't winning all these matches? As an aside, I don't see how she qualifies as a role model; I'm not belittling her success but she's just punching someone else repeatedly in the head more times than she gets punched herself, it's not something that I'd want the youth at large to practice.

Oh, and regarding the 'increasingly hostile' remark, would you contend that the level of hostility demonstrated by militant atheists exceeds the levels of hostility that were enacted by the Inquisition. If anything the world is becoming less hostile, and that applies to both the religious and the atheistic.

For the record yes I still would regard Katie as a role model. She has an exemplary attitude to her sport which is formed a great deal by her Christian faith.

By the by if you're going to bring up the Inquisition can I mention Mao, Pol Pot and Stalin? Not only that but to mention that people who believed what I do were also burned to the stake at the Inquisition? In short cop on you know this argument is flawed.

PDN

philologos wrote: »

By the by if you're going to bring up the Inquisition can I mention Mao, Pol Pot and Stalin? Not only that but to mention that people who believed what I do were also burned to the stake at the Inquisition? In short cop on you know this argument is flawed.

Moderating Request
Please don't feed the troll.

Silvio.Dante

AtomicHorror wrote: »

I think that means people like me.

We keep spoiling the good vibes by asking awkward questions like "what about all the athletes who prayed and didn't win?" and "what about all the winners who don't mention prayer". It's almost as if praying doesn't have a measurable effect on outcomes.

They're not praying to win. Well at least I'd never pray for success.

I pray that God is with me in everything I do and with his help and protection I can deal with whatever comes my way. Whether it be success or defeat...

Katie is a great role model and her public devotion to God is to be most welcomed by all Christians of whatever denomination...:)

MagicMarker

Katie's an incredible athlete, but I'd imagine her years of disciplined training count for a lot more than a few Hail Marys.

average_runner

PDN wrote: »

Sorry, who claimed that prayer makes people win sporting events?

Who claim it doesnt!!!

Silvio.Dante

MagicMarker wrote: »

Katie's an incredible athlete, but I'd imagine her years of disciplined training count for a lot more than a few Hail Marys.

I'm sure Katie would argue that it is only through her faith in the love of God that she has been able to show such dedication and discipline in the first place.

Its her belief.

By the way I don't think she says Hail Marys...:)

Ash.J.Williams

Dear God, Please give our Katie the strength to smash the skull of the Russian today, causing enough brain numbing pain, that she can outscore her in the points and win us some gold.

Splendour

Silvio.Dante wrote: »

I'm sure Katie would argue that it is only through her faith in the love of God that she has been able to show such dedication and discipline in the first place.

Its her belief.

By the way I don't think she says Hail Marys...:)

Indeed, Katie is 'fighting the good fight' both in and out of the ring.
And no, she definitely wouldn't say a Hail Mary...

Silvio.Dante

Splendour wrote: »

And no, she definitely wouldn't say a Hail Mary...

I'll be saying one for her anyway...:)

my friend

AtomicHorror wrote: »

I think that means people like me.

We keep spoiling the good vibes by asking awkward questions like "what about all the athletes who prayed and didn't win?" and "what about all the winners who don't mention prayer". It's almost as if praying doesn't have a measurable effect on outcomes.

If you ever bothered to listen to Katie, she does not pray for victory, she prays to God for strength, that she can perform at her best, not for victory.

Stompbox

Mod Delete
This thread is about Katie Taylor.
Anyone wishing to sound off about the Inquisition, Pol Pot, or Stalin can take it to the Atheism & Agnosticism Forum. We have one A&A Forum already - and this Forum is not A&A Mark II.

blatantrereg

Steve Collins put his faith in hypnotism. Katie Taylor puts hers in the Christian doctrine. Both have found benefit from their beliefs. I think both prayer and hypnosis would help focus and overcome negative thoughts or excessive worry.

Of course she should be comfortable talking about her faith when it's so important to her. She only talks about it in personal terms - what it means to her. She's not trying to impose it on other people or anything.

Zombrex

Stompbox wrote: »

Also, would you still consider Katie a role model if she wasn't winning all these matches? As an aside, I don't see how she qualifies as a role model; I'm not belittling her success but she's just punching someone else repeatedly in the head more times than she gets punched herself, it's not something that I'd want the youth at large to practice.

Yeah that is something I've found rather odd about the Katie Taylor story. I know a number of people, including my dad, who generally find boxing disgusting and complain about it, with some justification. But they have been cheering on Taylor, hoping she beats (literally) the other person and wins the gold.

I appreciate that the type of boxing she does is not as brutal as say a Mike Tyson fight, that they wear tons of protection. But as you say it is still punching someone repeatably in the head for 30 minutes. It is ice hockey with out the hockey bit, GAA football without the football bit.

I wish her all the best, if two consenting adults want to organise a fight against each other knock yourselves out (ha, see what I did there).

But role models? Nah ... if you want to be a role model pick a sport where the active goal isn't to turn this



into this

Seaneh

blatantrereg wrote: »

Steve Collins put his faith in hypnotism. Katie Taylor puts hers in the Christian doctrine. Both have found benefit from their beliefs. I think both prayer and hypnosis would help focus and overcome negative thoughts or excessive worry.

Of course she should be comfortable talking about her faith when it's so important to her. She only talks about it in personal terms - what it means to her. She's not trying to impose it on other people or anything.

Steve Collins was never hypnotised, he was playing mind games per-fight.

He stated that Eubanks had fallen for "the greatest con job of all time".

Silvio.Dante

Seaneh wrote: »

Steve Collins was never hypnotised, he was playing mind games per-fight.

He stated that Eubanks had fallen for "the greatest con job of all time".

Tony Quinn conning someone? NEVER!!!

Seaneh

Zombrex wrote: »

Yeah that is something I've found rather odd about the Katie Taylor story. I know a number of people, including my dad, who generally find boxing disgusting and complain about it, with some justification. But they have been cheering on Taylor, hoping she beats (literally) the other person and wins the gold.

I appreciate that the type of boxing she does is not as brutal as say a Mike Tyson fight, that they wear tons of protection. But as you say it is still punching someone repeatably in the head for 30 minutes. It is ice hockey with out the hockey bit, GAA football without the football bit.

I wish her all the best, if two consenting adults want to organise a fight against each other knock yourselves out (ha, see what I did there).

But role models? Nah ... if you want to be a role model pick a sport where the active goal isn't to turn this



into this

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parkinson's_disease#Causes


There is no proof, what so ever, that head injuries cause Parkinson's Disease.
It's an idiopathic disease, cause by spontaneous mutation of cells, most of which have no known cause with a small amount of cases being because of mutations to specific genes.

Also, female boxers spend 4 x 2 minute rounds so 8 minutes total in the ring, not 30 minutes. They wear heavy gloves and head gear. The chances of any injury at minimal.

Seaneh

Silvio.Dante wrote: »

Tony Quinn conning someone? NEVER!!!

No, Collins knew Quinn was a quack, Collins conned Eubank.

Silvio.Dante

Seaneh wrote: »

No, Collins knew Quinn was a quack, Collins conned Eubank.

I was being ironic. The Collins thing is what put Quinn on the map and his bank account has never looked back since...:(

Seaneh

Silvio.Dante wrote: »

I was being ironic. The Collins thing is what put Quinn on the map and his bank account has never looked back since...:(

Well, I'd say the whole con himself and the retired surgeon pulled of the hypnotic anesthetic that had him splashed all over the front cover of tabloids from here to Oz kinda helped too.

Either way, the man is a cretin.

Wiggles88

Seaneh wrote: »

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parkinson's_disease#Causes


There is no proof, what so ever, that head injuries cause Parkinson's Disease.
It's an idiopathic disease, cause by spontaneous mutation of cells, most of which have no known cause with a small amount of cases being because of mutations to specific genes.

Also, female boxers spend 4 x 2 minute rounds so 8 minutes total in the ring, not 30 minutes. They wear heavy gloves and head gear. The chances of any injury at minimal.

I agree with most everything you say here I just thought I should point out that the gloves actually protect the wearers hands not the opponents head. In bare knuckle boxing because the hand is so much weaker than the skull any full force blows to the head would usually result in the attackers hand breaking rather than doing huge damage to the opponent therefore bare knuckle boxers would be less inclined to go for the head. The introduction of gloves has meant that boxers can now throw full force punches to the head all day long without massive risk to their hands which has resulted in a greater number of brain injuries. But yes you're right Parkinson's is not one which is caused by trauma to the head.

vard

I once prayed to God asking that my then 20 year old cousin be spared from death. Some Help that was; I think the Olympics might have been on then too, so I guess he was busy.

Fanny Cradock

Zombrex wrote: »

But role models? Nah ... if you want to be a role model pick a sport where the active goal isn't to turn this...

Yeah, that's it. The active goal of boxing is to give your opponent a degenerative disease of the nervous system. Preferably by the 3rd round.

the_djoker

Actor wrote: »

I'm going to be saying a special prayer for Katie. God is answering our prayers for the youth with role models such as Katie Taylor.

Michael Conlon and his rosary tattoos is an equally special person - not afraid to publicly pronounce his beliefs in an increasingly hostile world.

God bless Katie!

Yep God bless Katie ... it's just as well he decided to let the starving kids in Africa die, as well as those innocent people in Syria to be butchered - and help Katie on her way to Gold.

Actor - you are a deluded f*cking MORON !!!

sbsquarepants

Katie Taylor - "Where would I be without all the prayers"

Fair play to Katie, the gold is in the bag and very hard won by the looks of things!

Just one question though - if you had to give up one or the other and still hope to succeed. Would it be the training or the praying?

Ash.J.Williams

sbsquarepants wrote: »

Fair play to Katie, the gold is in the bag and very hard won by the looks of things!

Just one question though - if you had to give up one or the other and still hope to succeed. Would it be the training or the praying?

They were one and the same. In this case prayer acted as a meditation to block out negativity and help focus.

Actor

God bless Katie!

Take that all ye smug atheists.

I'm sure her Christian faith gave her the will to succeed.

Fanny Cradock

Well done to Katie

Actor wrote: »

God bless Katie!

Take that all ye smug atheists.

I'm sure her Christian faith gave her the will to succeed.

What exactly do you think your comment will achieve?

PDN

sbsquarepants wrote: »

Fair play to Katie, the gold is in the bag and very hard won by the looks of things!

Just one question though - if you had to give up one or the other and still hope to succeed. Would it be the training or the praying?

Thankfully we live in a Western democracy, not in North Korea, so that dilemma is unlikely to arise.

Benny_Cake

Actor wrote: »

God bless Katie!

Take that all ye smug atheists.

I'm sure her Christian faith gave her the will to succeed.

Katie has a lot to be proud of, and her faith has undoubtedly helped her to find strength. You on the other hand, could do with a dose of humility, or is your faith something that you simply use to troll atheists?