Ryder Cup Wild Card picks

Trampas

With only 2 events left who are your picks?

Mine are between 3 CABRERA-BELLO & COLSAERTS & Poulter

As it looks like the team doesn't need experience.

Who is in form will get the pick

Points list

http://www.europeantour.com/rydercup/points/index.html

big_drive

Who are outside the automatic places at moment?

Poulter will be a definate I'd say, Ryder cup seems to bring out the best in him

chalkie 501

Poulter is a certainty i reckon,
Harrington should make it aswell,although there are a lot of good spanish lads just outside the top ten.
its looking like a very strong team whoever gets the nod:)

abff

I agree that Poulter is a certainty. I think he deserves it based on his Ryder Cup record.

I don't think Olly will give PH a pick. Apart from Padraig's recent Ryder Cup performances, the Seve trophy incident is probably not forgotten.

Almaviva

Picking Harrington would be a bad mistake. A lot of more deserving players.
I would go for Colsaerts and Poulter.

Jazzzman

I don't recall poulter or colsaerts in the mix for the masters and us open....

PH is back on form and should be considered.

He's a big game player and one we could do with in the states against American support.

Btw I'd also pick Poulter.

qwabercd

Is it just me or has there been way less talk about the ryder cup lineups this year?

big_drive

abff wrote: »

I agree that Poulter is a certainty. I think he deserves it based on his Ryder Cup record.

I don't think Olly will give PH a pick. Apart from Padraig's recent Ryder Cup performances, the Seve trophy incident is probably not forgotten.

What is the seve trophy incident about?

dnjoyce

assuming Sergio doesn't get bumped out, I think Poulter and Colsaerts would be the most likely to get the nod. Both good match-players and Colsaerts' length would (in theory) make him a decent fourball merchant

murphdogg11

Don't see PH getting in unless he wins USPGA.

newport2

big_drive wrote: »

What is the seve trophy incident about?

http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2003/11/10/1068329484987.html?from=storyrhs

Aidric

Harrington shouldn't be considered, nowhere near consistent enough and his putting isn't holding up under pressure.

Poulter and Colsaerts would be good picks or maybe Thomas Bjorn as a player with experience.

Trampas

Current line up I believe means a pick doesn't need to be used for experience.

I think we don't have any rookies in the team so perfect chance to bring in a rookie or 2.

I can't see PH getting a spot even without the above incident.

MisterAnarchy

qwabercd wrote: »

Is it just me or has there been way less talk about the ryder cup lineups this year?

No,not just you ,its very low key this year ,I had almost forgotten it was on this year due to the lack of talk about it.

Fritzl Funderland

Jazzzman wrote: »

I don't recall poulter or colsaerts in the mix for the masters and us open....

PH is back on form and should be considered.

He's a big game player and one we could do with in the states against American support.

Btw I'd also pick Poulter.

Poulter was in contention at the masters. not that far behind harrington

Martin567

As things stand I can't see Padraig making it unless he does something special this week.

Having said that, his current form is far better than a few players who will almost certainly be on the team. I'm thinking mainly of Hanson, Kaymer & Garcia. If their form doesn't improve by the end of September, Europe could really be in trouble. Even Lee Westwood seems to be struggling at the moment. He shot 81 at Firestone last Saturday.

I think Poulter & Colsaerts are probably the most likely picks. There are no rookies in the 10 currently but it is still far from the most experienced side Europe has ever had. 5 of the 10 have only ever played in one Ryder Cup. Based on the form of the last few months and with home advantage, it could be a heavy win for USA. Hopefully it won't turn out like that.

newport2

MisterAnarchy wrote: »

No,not just you ,its very low key this year ,I had almost forgotten it was on this year due to the lack of talk about it.

Noticed this myself, why do you think this is? I guess the last 2 have been British captains, so maybe that generated more hype from Sky, etc

squiree

I think there is a general feeling this could be a lop-sided result for the Americans (hence less talk).


In the cold light of day:

1. On a man-for-man basis the Americans are stronger.

2. They have home advantage. Chicago will bring out a tough gallery for the visitors.

3. USA have better current form.

4. Europe has Sergio Garcia. This will be a guaranteed point for USA in the singles.

5. Paddy Power are already shortening odds on a US vistory, from 5/6 to 8/11. The bookies are hardly ever wrong.

My match prediction USA 16.5 Eur 11.5

PARlance

The Olympics have to be the big reason for the lack of hype!?

A few other reasons would be
*The fact that it's over there this year, I find it more exciting when it's a home course, somewhere we could play, in conditions that we normally play etc. TV are always going to hype up the home venue more.
*2010 seen the teams filled with rookies, this gave it an additional buzz.
*The "main players" for both teams haven't really been doing battle with each other this year. Overall it's been a fairly dull year in terms of those that will be competing in the RC.
*Tiger was a hotter topic for world press back then.

AGC

Aidric wrote: »

Harrington shouldn't be considered, nowhere near consistent enough and his putting isn't holding up under pressure.

Garcia may as well have a hurl in his hand most weeks putting he is that bad but come Ryder Cup he holes everything!!

Looking at the possible picks, Poulter will get 1 and Harrington won't be too far away but id say it will be Colesarts.

That is if things stay the same.

Martin567

AGC wrote: »

Garcia may as well have a hurl in his hand most weeks putting he is that bad but come Ryder Cup he holes everything!!

Looking at the possible picks, Poulter will get 1 and Harrington won't be too far away but id say it will be Colesarts.

That is if things stay the same.

Sergio didn't play in 2010 and was just as poor as Padraig in 2008.

Therefore it's now 6 years since he played well in a Ryder Cup so to assume that he will automatically play his best this year is probably a fairly big leap.

AGC

Martin567 wrote: »

Therefore it's now 6 years since he played well in a Ryder Cup so to assume that he will automatically play his best this year is probably a fairly big leap.

Im not, just saying it can bring the best out of lads and looking at the full tables at the minute I can't see beyond Poulter, Colsearts and Harrington

Almaviva

AGC wrote: »

Im not, just saying it can bring the best out of lads and looking at the full tables at the minute I can't see beyond Poulter, Colsearts and Harrington

Is it not only two picks ?

AGC

Almaviva wrote: »

AGC wrote: »

Im not, just saying it can bring the best out of lads and looking at the full tables at the minute I can't see beyond Poulter, Colsearts and Harrington

Is it not only two picks ?

2 from those 3

qwabercd

Aidric wrote: »

Harrington shouldn't be considered, nowhere near consistent enough and his putting isn't holding up under pressure.

Poulter and Colsaerts would be good picks or maybe Thomas Bjorn as a player with experience.

Tbf garcia looks like he'll get a pick if he misses out, I'd pick harrington ahead of him. Two top 10s in majors this year for harrington,garcia just after missing the cut in a major for the second time this year. As harrington said, missing out on the WGC events and TPC really killed him this year.

Would go with poulter for sure. Colsaerts has to be in with a shout but he's very hit and miss and can be a bit iffy around the greens too. Only 1 top10 finish in his last 8 starts (including missed cut this week), his form has definitely dipped.

There really isn't as many top quality options for captains pick compared to other years, most of the key players have made it in already. Maybe Laird is in with a shout?

Benicetomonty

I don't think Ollie will pick Harrington but also don't think a captain should pick a rookie unless he gives him almost no alternative, like Molinari 2 years ago. Therefore Harrington really is the obvious choice imho. Colsearts has been quiet of late and won a match play event to even get this close to automatic qualification; that could mean he's very good at the format or that a matchplay event is easier to win than a strokeplay event. He does hit the ball an absolute mile of course, so even though I don't think he should be picked ahead of Padraig, I don't think he'd let us down. Poulter is in an unusual position. He has played magnificently his last couple of Ryder Cups and is very likely to be picked for the team should he fail to qualify. Having said that, it might come down to the manner in how he fails, should that scenario come to pass. He's put himself in a great position after 2 rounds this week and I think it'll be important that he presses on and locks up a spot automatically. If he blows up this weekend, that'll give Ollie unwanted food for thought. Garcia cuts a sorry figure on the course nowadays and a bad Ryder Cup could destroy him at this stage. He was an amazing player for Europe but has looked thoroughly miserable the last few weeks. It would be big risk for Ollie to pick him if he weren't to qualify; it could really spur him into action or it could be asking an awful lot of him when he's so obviously struggling. Greg Norman put Adam Scott in the same position at the Presidents Cup and it didn't work out at all; hopefully that doesn't happen to Sergio. I've a funny feeling Cabrera-Bello is coming in for serious consideration and wouldn't be upset to see Bjorn in with a shout either. Next two weeks probably won't make the decision any easier unfortunately!

brick tamland

Sergio and Kaymer missing the cut (again) this week. I'm not sure how the points work but how likley are either to drop out of the auto spots. Both in poor form and could do with missing out I reckon

Poulter going well, hopefully he can get into the automatic spots, although ive no idea how likley it is

slave1

Poulter and Padraig, both have the game for the RC and good performances in majors and RC experience.

callaway92

Padraig is my hero, but let's be realistic here. He should not be picked as a wildcard. People are wanting him out of pure patriotism. Poulter is an obvious choice. Carl Pettersson has had a great season (including this week now) and that was in America, so he should be the other one imo.

Keano

If Poulter doesn't qualify automatically it'll be him and Garcia. No on else will get a look in.

Trampas

Poulter in the team now and Garcia out so I presume Poulter pick will just pass to Garcia

redzerdrog

callaway92 wrote: »

Padraig is my hero, but let's be realistic here. He should not be picked as a wildcard. People are wanting him out of pure patriotism. Poulter is an obvious choice. Carl Pettersson has had a great season (including this week now) and that was in America, so he should be the other one imo.

pettersson is not eligible to play

link_2007

redzerdrog wrote: »

pettersson is not eligible to play

I thought he could be picked as a wild card he just wasn't eligible to qualify autimatically?

nbar12

Trampas wrote: »

Poulter in the team now and Garcia out so I presume Poulter pick will just pass to Garcia

yeah no doubt Olazabal will pick his fellow countryman. I would love it if Harrington was picked but he hasn't got a chance. I know he has been on good form the past few months but lets be honest, he doesn't have the greatest of records at the Ryder Cup

redzerdrog

link_2007 wrote: »

I thought he could be picked as a wild card he just wasn't eligible to qualify autimatically?

he is not affiliated with the european tour so can't play at all afaik

nbar12

redzerdrog wrote: »

he is not affiliated with the european tour so can't play at all afaik

yeah this is true but Butch Harmon was talking his usual amount of sh1te last night how Olazabal could include him in his squad. He would need to be made an Honorary member of the European Tour in order for him to be picked. However, the only chance of this happening would have been if Pettersson had won last night. So it looks like there is no chance of him making the team but he's still a fine young man according to Butch

Leslie91

Poulter in now means who is out?....

Who are the contenders for the 2 picks ie. who are not in the team already?

Garcia yes, who else?

RikkFlair

Players outside team in this order:

Garcia, Colsaerts, Lynn, Cabrera-Bello, Gonz Castano, Bjorn, Siem, Dyson, Harrington, Jacobson.

I think Olazabal will pick the top 2. Still a couple of events to go yet though, so things could change.

Martin567

Irrespective of whether Padraig is picked or not, Sergio should not be included. He is having a very poor 2012 and the only vibe he seems to give off these days is negativity.

PRAF

I'd agree that Garcia does not deserve a pick but I presume the Spanish connection means he has a very good chance of getting a pick from Olly.

Harrington's form is trending in the right direction and his all around game is much improved. However, unless he gets a win before the picks are made, I think he is unlikely to get the nod.

TheDoc

All for Garcia,

Granted a relatively poor last outing in the Ryder Cup, he typically turns into a different animal in the Ryder Cup.

Supposedly brilliant to have around the group aswell.

PRAF

TheDoc wrote: »

All for Garcia,

Granted a relatively poor last outing in the Ryder Cup, he typically turns into a different animal in the Ryder Cup.

Supposedly brilliant to have around the group aswell.

If we get the fired up, enthusiastic, ball stiking genius Garcia then who wouldn't want him in the team.

However, I've seen too much of the grumpy, woe is me, petulant Garcia in recent times.

I'd say his relationship with Olazabal will be key. If the captain can get the best out of him, he'll be worth a pick

Martin567

TheDoc wrote: »

All for Garcia,

Granted a relatively poor last outing in the Ryder Cup, he typically turns into a different animal in the Ryder Cup.

Supposedly brilliant to have around the group aswell.

Time will tell. His body lanaguage this year has been terrible once anything starts to go against him. The negativity and lack of any semblance of self-belief in his interviews has been shocking. Whatever people may think of sports psychologists, Sergio should definitely consider having a few sessions with a good one. All of his great Ryder Cup record pre-dates his more recent close runs in Majors and his slide down the rankings. I doubt if he can turn back the clock and reproduce his Ryder Cup form of old just like that.

BoardsMember

Harrington wont get a pick. I like the direction of his form, but even if he gets a win I cant see it happening. Apart from his putting, which is poor and a crucial part of Ryder Cup, his Ryder Cup record is not that good, particularly in recent years. So, although some might have an issue with Garcia being picked, you cant really blame Ollie for not picking PH. Much as I would love him to be picked.

paulos53

The big plus in Harrington's favour is the fact that the Ryder cup is being played in the US this year.

Most of the other wild card contenders have poor records or little experience on American courses. Garcia, Laird and Jacobson are the only decent exceptions that I can think of

TheDoc

Martin567 wrote: »

I doubt if he can turn back the clock and reproduce his Ryder Cup form of old just like that.

Monty did it while displaying poor form didn't he, or am I mixing that up?

I just think he is one of those guys that comes alive in matchplay. It was sad and weird to see him get stomped by that Kim guy who has materialised into nothingness really.

There was a really good TV thing on Garcia there recently , saw it on Setanta and it had loads of pro's talking about him and it was weird for all of them, to consider him one of the best golfers on tour, and they were perplexed to identify why he was doing so poorly. Most were attesting it to something mental, as even in casual rounds and practice his putting is seemingly good.

I dont think he's at any point of being over the hill, he is only 32 still, I think there is time for him to get to that point of promise that so many people expected.

Johnny_Fontane

I think you want players who have lots of experience on the pga tour....this is after all in the US. Guys who are used to playing in front of massive galleries week in week out....

therefore garcia is a lock in my book.

Leslie91

RikkFlair wrote: »

Players outside team in this order:

Garcia, Colsaerts, Lynn, Cabrera-Bello, Gonz Castano, Bjorn, Siem, Dyson, Harrington, Jacobson.

I think Olazabal will pick the top 2. Still a couple of events to go yet though, so things could change.

Thanks. Yeah I reckon he'll pick Garcia. Not sure is he worthy this year though. After Garcia wow what a choice. It won't be Lynn not Gonzo. Is Manassero in the team?, he could be a wildcard type.

I'd pick Harrington and Cabrera Bello based on form.

RGS

Ollie wont pick Harrington. He basically stated that last week when he said Harringon needed to do something extraordinary in the PGA. Even Harrington in his interview last night with Tim Barter mentioned what Ollie said. I dont think Harrington expects a pick.

Who not be surprised if the picks were 2 spainards.

H Man

Presuming the automatic qualifiers stay the same then I reckon Olly will defo go with Garcia and the 2nd pick is harder to call.

Harrington probably deserves a pick if you compare him to the other choices. His form in the majors this year alone should influence Olly and his expewrience in the States. I don't buy into the issue from the Seve Trophy determining the pick from Olly. Olly will want to win the Ryder Cup so even if he still harbered a grudge reckon he'll still pick the team he thinks will get him the best result. He's too passionate about the cup not to.

Garcia probably deserves a pick based on how he tends to light up in the Ryder Cup, how he'll give it everything for Olly and the fact he'll be an idea partner for Luke Donald or Justin Rose or even Ian Poulter. Problem with Harrington is who would ya partner him with. Maybe Hansen or Paul Lawrie??? Just a pity he's not playing in the Johnny Walker as this could only help his cause.

The other options for me would be Colsearts, Cabrera Bello but less so as he hasn't performed yet at the top level. An outside bet would be Simon Dyson who strikes me as a super matchplayer in the Poulter mould and played super in last years Seve Trophy. Next few weeks will also be telling as form now will defo influence Olly's thinking.

Realalemadrid

The fact the Paul McGinley is a vice-captain must give Harrington a good chance of getting selected?

Now that Poulter is in the team also, surely Harrington has a great chance of getting picked - I reckon Garcia, Colesaerts and Harrington are the favourites, then Jiminez. Would be amazed if it was anyone apart from those 4.