Katie Taylor

Librium

If katie converted to mma after the olympics how long do you think it would take before she could compete with the ronda rousey?

Professey Chin

Librium wrote: »

If katie converted to mma after the olympics how long do you think it would take before she could compete with the ronda rousey?

Years. Rousey is an olympic judo medalist. Taylor would meet the same end as her other opponents.

El Guapo!

Rousey would tear her arm clean off.
I reckon it'd be a long long long time before she'd be anywhere near that level. She probably wouldn't ever get to that level. Just because someone is good at one sport doesn't mean they can make an easy transition to another.

Librium

just account for KT's excellent athleticism (track record in multiple sports) and almost unparalleled focus and dedication i wonder if she could have a chance in 3 years.

Professey Chin

Librium wrote: »

just account for KT's excellent athleticism (track record in multiple sports) and almost unparalleled focus and dedication i wonder if she could have a chance in 3 years.

I am. Rousey would still go home with her arm

Librium

I think KT would knock her out.

El Guapo!

Librium wrote: »

I think KT would knock her out.

I think you're not thinking clearly tbh.

Librium

RR would come in and try and do that judo **** and BANG KT would just take her head off.

cowzerp

Standing Katie would be at a massive advantage, on the ground she would be screwed and staying standing for 15 minutes is not easy, especially v a Judo player who is used to getting hit.

I lost 5 of my 1st fights, 4 by choke and 1 was blatant points robbery after i actually got to use my Boxing for full fight, but simply if you don't have a ground game MMA is not for you.

Librium

give her three years to learn take down defence, just stand 1.5 to 2m away from opponent and just wait for opportune moment to land a KO shot.

El Guapo!

Librium wrote: »

give her three years to learn take down defence, just stand 1.5 to 2m away from opponent and just wait for opportune moment to land a KO shot.

Sure if it was that easy every boxer would be doing it.

Librium

Dean09 wrote: »

Sure if it was that easy every boxer would be doing it.

well boxers don't do it because there is massive depth in male mma and male boxing so they can make more money boxing.

not much scope for kt in pro female boxing and she may not have the interest in winning more golds.

isn't as much depth in female mma, she would only need to win a handful of fights to get a title shot.

MrStuffins

Librium wrote: »

well boxers don't do it because there is massive depth in male mma and male boxing so they can make more money boxing.

Ask James Toney how he got on when he took on a World Champion level MMA guy with just a Boxing background!

jayteecork

What's the future for women's MMA?

When Zuffa finishes Strikeforce will it be absorbed into the UFC?

i'm not even sure Dana likes women fighting tbh.

MrStuffins

jayteecork wrote: »

What's the future for women's MMA?

When Zuffa finishes Strikeforce will it be absorbed into the UFC?

i'm not even sure Dana likes women fighting tbh.

He's definitely warming to it! He wore a Ronda Rousey tshirt the other night at the weigh ins.

He also had good things to say about Invicta FC over the weekend.

Stephen_King

Librium wrote: »

just account for KT's excellent athleticism (track record in multiple sports) and almost unparalleled focus and dedication i wonder if she could have a chance in 3 years.

I wouldnt think 3. 5 or 6 maybe but 3 would be asking a bit too much. Rousey isnt exactly a slouch in the athletic department herself, so I think that advantage would be negated. If Taylor took to BJJ like Gunnar Nelson or Caio Terra then maybe she'd be in with a chance but thats unlikely. She'd also have to learn to adapt her boxing game to MMA, which might not be as easy as you think.

It'd be a big decision to step away from boxing given that she can probably make a decent living for the next few years from sponsorships etc, and I dont think she'd be that interested really-

"Clearly you’re a boxing fan, but what are your thoughts on MMA, which is getting increasingly popular here in Ireland? KT: I wouldn’t be a huge fan of MMA, but I think the main reason it’s becoming a main rival to boxing is because the best MMA fighters always fight the best other fighters out there. In professional boxing there are so many different organisations and different promoters, meaning that the public don’t get to see the best fighting against the best.
I don’t think it’s as exciting as boxing. There’s a lot of wrestling on the ground in MMA, so I don’t think it’s as good to watch."


http://www.joe.ie/sports/sports-features/katie-taylor-on-winning-awards-performing-for-the-camera-and-corrupt-boxing-judges-0010977-2

Mellor

Women's MMA grappling is really shallow. I mentioned this in the olympics thread. There just isn't that many high level grapplers in women's MMA, which is why Rounda has dominated verses the field. Katie many well be a great striker, but she run into the same problems as the other women from striking backgrounds.



Besides, Katie and Rousey are essentially different weights. 60kg in amateur boxing and pro-MMA 135lbs (c.61kg) aren't the same. AFAIK, Rousey competed in the 70kg division in the olympics. Realistically, I'd say Katie is undersized for 135lbs and should compete in a flyweight division if she wanted to make the jump.

Pride Fighter

MrStuffins wrote: »

Ask James Toney how he got on when he took on a World Champion level MMA guy with just a Boxing background!

What about Ray Mercer

cowzerp

MrStuffins wrote: »

Ask James Toney how he got on when he took on a World Champion level MMA guy with just a Boxing background!

Have to reply to this, James Toney was nothing but a name in boxing, finished is an understatement! Plus even at peak his style would be all wrong for Mma as he stands his ground using his excellent defence to fend off blows-add in takedowns and this would be of no use-this fight was selected deliberate-finished, style wise no threat and a big name.

Would be like putting Ken Shamrock into Boxing match with David Haye, and I'm probably doing Randy Coutore a disservice comparing him to Haye.

pablohoney87

Katie is awesome. But why are people even trying to compare her to the womens world champ when she hasnt trained a days mma in her life. When ronda first got into MMA nobody was trying to compare her to Cyborg at the time. Why would ya do the same for katie?
Besides she's already said she has no real interest in MMA and is pretty much the poster girl for womens amature boxing. Why would she?

MrStuffins

cowzerp wrote: »

Have to reply to this, James Toney was nothing but a name in boxing, finished is an understatement! Plus even at peak his style would be all wrong for Mma as he stands his ground using his excellent defence to fend off blows-add in takedowns and this would be of no use-this fight was selected deliberate-finished, style wise no threat and a big name.

Would be like putting Ken Shamrock into Boxing match with David Haye, and I'm probably doing Randy Coutore a disservice comparing him to Haye.

True.

But it's still a like for like comparison, whether he was shot or not!

For me the point is not whether Katie has a better boxing technique than Toney, rather that Toney (and Katie like him if it came to it) wouldn't be able to fend off any sort of ground attack.

cowzerp

MrStuffins wrote: »

True.

But it's still a like for like comparison, whether he was shot or not!

For me the point is not whether Katie has a better boxing technique than Toney, rather that Toney (and Katie like him if it came to it) wouldn't be able to fend off any sort of ground attack.

Its not though, Katie is fast, has excellent footwork and Toney does not use footwork and was finished.

It's like comparing GSP to Ken Shamrock because there both MMA fighters.

MrStuffins

cowzerp wrote: »

Its not though, Katie is fast, has excellent footwork and Toney does not use footwork and was finished.

It's like comparing GSP to Ken Shamrock because there both MMA fighters.

I see what you mean, but i'm not really talking about their stand-up skills.

Yes, comparing Katie & Toney is like comparing GSP & Ken Shamrock.

However, put both Katie & Toney on their backs and you're no longer talking GSP & Shamrock, you're talking Art Jimmerson & Art Jimmerson :P

Librium

MrStuffins wrote: »

I see what you mean, but i'm not really talking about their stand-up skills.

Yes, comparing Katie & Toney is like comparing GSP & Ken Shamrock.

However, put both Katie & Toney on their backs and you're no longer talking GSP & Shamrock, you're talking Art Jimmerson & Art Jimmerson :P

Did you read the original post Stuffings? The question was how long she would need to train to get good enough to compete? 3? 5? 7? years? It's not impossible if she had the interest, a 4 time world champion and a Olypmic gold medalist in the making could dedicate 3 years to bjj and wrestling and beat everyone apart from the very best in my opinion.

Nobody is saying she could go and win it tomorrow.

for god's sake

MrStuffins

Librium wrote: »

Did you read the original post Stuffings? The question was how long she would need to train to get good enough to compete? 3? 5? 7? years? It's not impossible if she had the interest, a 4 time world champion and a Olypmic gold medalist in the making could dedicate 3 years to bjj and wrestling and beat everyone apart from the very best in my opinion.

Nobody is saying she could go and win it tomorrow.

for god's sake

Relax the cacks there son!

Yes I read the OP.

It's impossible to answer definitively.

She's 26. IMO she would never get to Ronda Rousey's level.

She's Boxing Olympic Medal standard. Ronda is Olympic Medal standard in Judo. Rousey's grappling wins 99/100 in MMA IMO.

Librium

MrStuffins wrote: »

Relax the cacks there son!

Yes I read the OP.

It's impossible to answer definitively.

She's 26. IMO she would never get to Ronda Rousey's level.

She's Boxing Olympic Medal standard. Ronda is Olympic Medal standard in Judo. Rousey's grappling wins 99/100 in MMA IMO.

how many fights you've had yourself ?

Clive

Librium wrote: »

If katie converted to mma after the olympics how long do you think it would take before she could compete with the ronda rousey?

If she started training full time with a good team, she'd probably be ready for an amateur fight in about a year IMO. After that it really comes down to whether she would be any good at MMA or not.

Mellor

MrStuffins wrote: »

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She's 26. IMO she would never get to Ronda Rousey's level.

She's Boxing Olympic Medal standard. Ronda is Olympic Medal standard in Judo. Rousey's grappling wins 99/100 in MMA IMO.

Ah sure Ronda was only 4th best in Beijing

Professey Chin

Mellor wrote: »

Ah sure Ronda was only 4th best in Beijing

3rd :P

Oh wait. 2 bronze medals. Never mind :pac:

El Guapo!

Librium wrote: »

how many fights you've had yourself ?

That's an irrelevant question.
I hate when that question pops up in discussions.

MrStuffins

Librium wrote: »

how many fights you've had yourself ?

I've no idea what this has to do with the discussion.

Mellor wrote: »

Ah sure Ronda was only 4th best in Beijing

I wasn't aware of the ins and outs of the competition actually. (Also, i actually until now thought she got a Silver Medal for some reason).

Maybe Kayla Harrison will have a say as to which Olympians can make an impact in MMA

Jason McCabe

It would basically boil down to her desire

Then picking the correct team. I think wrestling would suit her better than BJJ as she wants to keep it standing

SaoriseBiker

MrStuffins wrote: »

Relax the cacks there son!

Yes I read the OP.

It's impossible to answer definitively.

She's 26. IMO she would never get to Ronda Rousey's level.

She's Boxing Olympic Medal standard. Ronda is Olympic Medal standard in Judo. Rousey's grappling wins 99/100 in MMA IMO.

RR lost her quarterfinal to the ex-world champion but qualified for a Bronze medal match through the repechage bracket. Rousey defeated by to win a bronze medal (note: Judo offers two bronze medals per weight class). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ronda_Rousey

I think Katie will win gold, still even with 2 or 3 years top coaching in the states, wouldn't be up to Rousey at MMA though A person can be an excellent striker, Crocop, Cung Lee etc doesn't mean they can cross over to MMA with huge success.

SBG Ireland

SaoriseBiker wrote: »

MrStuffins wrote: »

Relax the cacks there son!

Yes I read the OP.

It's impossible to answer definitively.

She's 26. IMO she would never get to Ronda Rousey's level.

She's Boxing Olympic Medal standard. Ronda is Olympic Medal standard in Judo. Rousey's grappling wins 99/100 in MMA IMO.

RR lost her quarterfinal to the ex-world champion but qualified for a Bronze medal match through the repechage bracket. Rousey defeated by to win a bronze medal (note: Judo offers two bronze medals per weight class). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ronda_Rousey

I think Katie will win gold, still even with 2 or 3 years top coaching in the states, wouldn't be up to Rousey at MMA though A person can be an excellent striker, Crocop, Cung Lee etc doesn't mean they can cross over to MMA with huge success.

Yeah would have to be 'the states' for top coaching...not like Ireland would produce a world champion female fighter...

MMAIRELANDFAN

SBG Ireland wrote: »

Yeah would have to be 'the states' for top coaching...not like Ireland would produce a world champion female fighter...

Doesn't change the fact there is better coaching in the states and also more fighting opportunities

SBG Ireland

MMAIRELANDFAN wrote: »

SBG Ireland wrote: »

Yeah would have to be 'the states' for top coaching...not like Ireland would produce a world champion female fighter...

Doesn't change the fact there is better coaching in the states and also more fighting opportunities

Yup that's how most Irish think alright

Anyway rather than discuss how she'd do in a different sport id rather congratulate her on how amazing she's doing right now. another fantastic fight today, gold tomorrow! Comon katie!!

cowzerp

Could a soccer player be a great GAA football player, they could but then again they may not.

After Katie Getting us at least a silver we should just be happy to have her as 1 of our own, Combat sports all gain from this in Ireland and all get a boost that we can compete on a world level.

Gold tomorrow Katie, Hard work and dedication=success.

MrStuffins

Katie Taylor v Ais the Bash!

Paul Cowzer special guest referee!

Let's do this!

laoch na mona

taylor would destroy her before it went to the ground

Professey Chin

laoch na mona wrote: »

taylor would destroy her before it went to the ground

Based on?

MrStuffins

laoch na mona wrote: »

taylor would destroy her before it went to the ground

Now now, we're only having a joke!

laoch na mona

The Great Chinholio wrote: »

Based on?

magic

laoch na mona

MrStuffins wrote: »

Now now, we're only having a joke!

shur thats my first post

pablohoney87

Dean09 wrote: »

That's an irrelevant question.
I hate when that question pops up in discussions.

In all fairness its a valid question in some discussions. Certainly not this one though

El Guapo!

pablohoney87 wrote: »

In all fairness its a valid question in some discussions. Certainly not this one though

Yeah I agree. In some discussions about maybe training practices or something like that, then it could be a fair question. But more often than not it pops up in here when it has no bearing on the conversation at all.

Librium

Well one lad seems quite certain about how one professional level athlete would fair in another discipline without having competed or trained in either sport. I would put much weight in his opinion. Very interested to hear the cage fighters opinions.

El Guapo!

Librium wrote: »

Well one lad seems quite certain about how one professional level athlete would fair in another discipline without having competed or trained in either sport.

Who said that?

Digitalism

Dean09 wrote: »

Who said that?

I think hes referring to MrStuffins, saying that he wouldn't take much heed to someones opinion, if that someone hasn't trained in MMA. Which is a fair point.

Does MrStuffins compete/train, as hes definitely the most active poster here. Genuine question, as you seem to have good knowledge about the sport.

cowzerp

OK as a fan and a fighter, there is certainly understanding of the sport that you can get from training, competing etc that you cant from watching.

In saying that there is fighters out there who know little about the sport and sometimes not even much about tactics etc, they leave that to there coaches to work on, I know fighters who would never watch the sport and love training /competing and i know fans who are very knowledgeable

Fighters who are fans in my opinion can see it from a more realistic perspective but its not a guarantee you will know more.

The Bored One

Sigh. Lord discussions like this always get silly very quickly.
There are way too many hypotheticals and things we don't know to make any sort of prediction of how well she'd do. Making predictions of her beating an existing champion in a sport she's never competed or trained in before is pretty pointless. Even if you state that this is after she's had training (in the sport she's openly said she has no interest in) its still pretty pointless.
Because we have no idea how well she'd respond to that training. Would she show any apptitude for it? Would she find it too difficult to stop thinking like a boxer? Way too many unknowns to make any sort of definitive statement either way.

Tinie

I think the most simple answer to this, is no, Taylor would not beat Ronda in an MMA or Judo fight, even if she trained for years, as shes too old really to. Reason being is that she has no experience in the sport and Rousey is a quality MMA fighter.

On the other hand, Ronda would never beat Taylor in an boxing match, as Taylor has far too much experience and quality in boxing compared to Rousey.


Its like those age old arguments about Mayweather/Pac man vs Anderson Silva/GSP whatever.