Saorsat Installation

Currahee01

Has anyone any advice on tuning in saorsat on a Ferguson Ariva 150? Cant seem to get anything no matter what I do. Have tried TP at 10765/25000/V but no luck.

Ronnie Raygun

Are you using the Inverto Ka band lnb or the similar Triax?

Currahee01

Not 100% sure (I didnt install the dish) but I think its the Ka lnb.

Ronnie Raygun

Presumably you also receive the UK channels with this dish or dishes?

Currahee01

I have a separate dish for free view.

Ronnie Raygun wrote: »

Presumably you also receive the UK channels with this dish or dishes?

Ronnie Raygun

Do you have the receiver set up to select the Saorsat feed when you are scanning for Saorsat channels? You're not just scanning 28 east with these tp settings?

Currahee01

Scanning on Eurobird 9A. Have tried all the lnb options but best I can get is ITVHD, Alibi HD and some other channel (on unicable) but all scrambled. I'm sure its just a matter of changing a setting on the box, just not sure which one!!

Ronnie Raygun wrote: »

Do you have the receiver set up to select the Saorsat feed when you are scanning for Saorsat channels? You're not just scanning 28 east with these tp settings?

Peter Rhea

So this receiver hasn't been tuned to Saorsat at any point? Did you have another already working with Saorsat?

If you have 2 dishes, the lnb output from each should be connected to a DiSEqC switch & once the receiver knows which satellite position relates to which switch port, it will automatically switch whenever you select a channel on that satellite.

Gerry Wicklow

If you are getting ITV1 HD and Alibi, you are scanning 28 degrees. You do realise you need a dish or at least an KA Band LNB pointed at 9 degrees. Just changing the setting on the box wont work.

Currahee01

The receiver is new so hasn't been used before. Previous receiver was for freesat. The Desiqc switch is activated with new dish in port 1. Receiver is getting a signal from both dishes.

Peter Rhea wrote: »

So this receiver hasn't been tuned to Saorsat at any point? Did you have another already working with Saorsat?

If you have 2 dishes, the lnb output from each should be connected to a DiSEqC switch & once the receiver knows which satellite position relates to which switch port, it will automatically switch whenever you select a channel on that satellite.

Peter Rhea

You shouldn't mess with the lnb settings: if the receiver is working with the channels on 28 east (universal lnb LO settings) & you switch to Ka-sat, the tp parameters you gave in your 1st post should get you Saorsat, although I think the exact SR is 24995 ks/s.

Currahee01

Definitely not scanning 28. Have two dishes, one pointing at 28 and the other at 9. Receiver picking up signals from both. No problems with the 28, all channels coming in. I think the lnb on 9 is ka, I didn't install it so can't be sure.

I suppose I'm looking to find out what settings I need to change on the receiver...lnb frequency, TP, etc.

Gerry Wicklow wrote: »

If you are getting ITV1 HD and Alibi, you are scanning 28 degrees. You do realise you need a dish or at least an KA Band LNB pointed at 9 degrees. Just changing the setting on the box wont work.

Peter Rhea

You're not getting ITV HD & Alibi from 9 degrees east. Why did the installer not set up the receiver for you?

Currahee01

I've tried tuning with all the lnb settings (default was Universal 9750-10600) and changed SR to 24995. It could be a faulty lnb.

Peter Rhea wrote: »

You shouldn't mess with the lnb settings: if the receiver is working with the channels on 28 east (universal lnb LO settings) & you switch to Ka-sat, the tp parameters you gave in your 1st post should get you Saorsat, although I think the exact SR is 24995 ks/s.

Currahee01

The installer tried a couple of boxes but couldn't tune in saorsat. He is due to come back again but I'd like to try and set it up myself in the meantime.
I don't know where those channels are coming from. They only show up when I change the lnb frequency to unicable.

Peter Rhea wrote: »

You're not getting ITV HD & Alibi from 9 degrees east. Why did the installer not set up the receiver for you?

Peter Rhea

Lnbs rarely develop faults. It's a simple setup to receive signals from 2 satellite positions, ka band or not. The 10765 V setting switches the ka lnb to left hand polarity & tunes the receiver to the correct IF.

Only other thing would be if you're using a dish with a double reflector in which case I think you would select horizontal pol.

A few pics of the setup (dish, lnb, switch) would help.

St Senan

How is the receiver picking up Alibi??? that channel is not free on satellite. if you have paid someone to install this system for you then he should be rectifying this for you let him sort it out as he got paid to do.

Gerry Wicklow

The usual settings for a KA LNB are the standard (universal 9750 / 10600) and scan 10765 V 25000 1/2 QPSK DVB-S2.
You shouldn't be getting ANY other stations from this LNB. Are you sure you have the disecq switch setting right? As mentioned above, it is unlikely to be a faulty LNB.

Currahee01

Just tried switching to H. Will try and get some pictures tomorow.

Peter Rhea wrote: »

Lnbs rarely develop faults. It's a simple setup to receive signals from 2 satellite positions, ka band or not. The 10765 V setting switches the ka lnb to left hand polarity & tunes the receiver to the correct IF.

Only other thing would be if you're using a dish with a double reflector in which case I think you would select horizontal pol.

A few pics of the setup (dish, lnb, switch) would help.

Currahee01

There is no issue in terms of payment or anything like that. The installer is due back to finish it and will be paid when its working. I just wanted to have a go in the meantime.

The channels (ItvHD, AlibiHD and 5338) came in 400 times but all scrambled.

Navarre wrote: »

How is the receiver picking up Alibi??? that channel is not free on satellite. if you have paid someone to install this system for you then he should be rectifying this for you let him sort it out as he got paid to do.

St Senan

Currahee01 wrote: »

There is no issue in terms of payment or anything like that. The installer is due back to finish it and will be paid when its working. I just wanted to have a go in the meantime.

The channels (ItvHD, AlibiHD and 5338) came in 400 times but all scrambled.

I am not saying there is an Issue with payments. But why didn't the installer finish the job the day he started it. Its up to the installer to make sure everything is working properly for the customer. Do you know if the receiver has been disecq enabled to receive the KA signal . My advice to you is to leave it alone until this guy comes back to finish the Job.

Gerry Wicklow

I repeat, the fact that you are getting ITV, Alibi or anything other than SaorSat means that you are scanning 28 degrees. Either the disecq switch is not changing or the dish is not pointing at 9 degrees. A faulty disecq normally defaults to input 1.

Peter Rhea

OP, do you actually need to use Saorsat? If you can receive Saorview, you'd be better off just going with that & you have the combo box & all.

swoofer

you dont say what size dish you are using and tuning a ka band is trickier than the other. If the dish is 80cm you should be ok. This is the best method. Ignore the switch for the time being. So just connect the sat cable from the dish that is pointing at 9east and put on the OLD lnb ie one used for sky. Now put in this channel 11727V27500, channel name is ANN and it has a dirty big logo in red on top right = ANN. Its very powerful. The dish elevation has to be set as well. And there is another post on here about that. I think its 28. I get soarsat on a sky 60cm but i am over in the west. When you get ANN you now know dish is pointing at 9east. swop lnb put in saorsat frequency and with a ka band lnb there is no skew it will work anyway. It has to spot on so get best signal on ann i get 84s and 92q on a 1.1m. when you have pictures you can sort out switch then. NB make sure its a ka lnb, they are 35 euro or were last time i looked.

have a look here for dish elevation and show your installer if he is having bother
http://www.satsig.net/saorsat/saorsat-dish-pointing-ireland.htm

Peter Rhea

Or just let the installer finish what he started & never mind messing around with his work.

swoofer

good point, leave wellenough alone or it could cost you a lot more, i missed bit about installer

Cesium Clock

With the right equipment and knowledge aligning a dish to 9 east is no more difficult than aligning a dish to 28east,

Setting up a receiver with diseqc should not be an issue either, basic stuff,

Currahee01

I would have thought so

Cesium Clock wrote: »

Setting up a receiver with diseqc should not be an issue either, basic stuff,

St Senan

Currahee01 This all seems strange you are living in the same area as my self why has this installer set up 9e for you to receive saorsat. Saorview is widely available here in Co Wexford with TV3 and 3e on it. Can you see MT Leinster.
I dont install saorsat in places where I know saorview is receivable and so strong. From reading your posts it seems you had a dish up already receiving 28east so an aerial and a combo (or keep your original freesat box and use a saorview box) was all that's needed for you to get Irish and UK channels. A job like that should not take more than 2 and half hours.

Cantona's Collars

No problems receiving saorview here either in Enniscorthy, Mount Leinster is overlooking the town.No need for saorsat at all,from the op's posts it sounds like the installer doesn't know what they are doing.Stick up an aerial & plug it onto a saorview box,lo & behold you'll get saorview (with tv3 & 3e)

Currahee01

I cant recieve Saorview, can barely pick up radio stations. Have tried three different aerials with my Opticum receiver with no luck.
The installer thinks that the lnb is faulty so we will wait and see.

veyron

hi all anyone help trying to put in saorsat using three s2 hd recievers i have one directly feeding of the ka lnb into a disec switch lnb 1 and astra 28 feeding into other port lnb 2 and cable out into reciecer and working perfectly, the other two boxes feed the same way except i have the second ka feed spilt through a power pass splitter and both legs fed into two disec switches and astra 28 as well and single cable to each other reciever and i cant get these two to work signal is coming and going, have i a faulty splitter or two much power

Cantona's Collars

Currahee01 wrote: »

I cant recieve Saorview, can barely pick up radio stations. Have tried three different aerials with my Opticum receiver with no luck.
The installer thinks that the lnb is faulty so we will wait and see.

Bit strange that you can't get saorview,where abouts in the South East are you? The area is pretty much covered as regards saorview reception.Was it a reputable installer you used to put up the aerials? My analogue reception is dire yet a simple aerial in the attic gives me perfect saorview reception.

Cesium Clock

veyron wrote: »

hi all anyone help trying to put in saorsat using three s2 hd recievers i have one directly feeding of the ka lnb into a disec switch lnb 1 and astra 28 feeding into other port lnb 2 and cable out into reciecer and working perfectly, the other two boxes feed the same way except i have the second ka feed spilt through a power pass splitter and both legs fed into two disec switches and astra 28 as well and single cable to each other reciever and i cant get these two to work signal is coming and going, have i a faulty splitter or two much power

What's the frequency range of the splitter?

Ronnie Raygun

veyron wrote: »

... the other two boxes feed the same way except i have the second ka feed spilt through a power pass splitter and both legs fed into two disec switches and astra 28 as well and single cable to each other reciever and i cant get these two to work signal is coming and going, have i a faulty splitter or two much power

Is it only the Saorsat signal giving trouble or 28 east as well?

zg3409

Any update? How did you both get on? Can you answer the questions asked?