Fluoride endgame approaches....

kumate_champ07

Aquarius34 wrote: »

Ah, bull****, you just can't turn into practical sense. High doses? But if it's in drinking water, you are going to be taking it in high doses we are are drinking tap water all the time. Just as you are smoking it, drinking it, eating it, and eating it in foods that were made out of fluoridated water. It's toxic waste, so tell me what is the point in it?

It's used on rat's It is used to protect there teeth though?

We are overdosed on all sorts of fluoride. Why is there so much emphasis to overdose us with it? Oh it's to protect our teeth right? I wonder why people are so docile and why so many of us have cancer these days? Surely it's not the fluoride. If it's in small doses, then it's not protecting our teeth then? Surely they could of thought of some other mineral that's not so poisonous to protect our teeth.

The elite really love to protect our teeth.. What is the campaign, war on tooth decay? Like war on terrorism?

Looking forward to your response. "grins teeth"

Irish tap water contains .6mg - .8mg fluoride per litre

the lethal dose for most adult humans is estimated at 5 to 10 g (which is equivalent to 32 to 64 mg/kg elemental fluoride/kg body weight).[1][2][3] Ingestion of fluoride can produce gastrointestinal discomfort at doses at least 15 to 20 times lower (0.2–0.3 mg/kg) than lethal doses.


for an average Irish man weighing 12 stone (78kg)

26-39litres can produce gastrointestinal discomfort but you wont notice because the h2o will have killed you by around the 10th liter

41666litres of Irish tap water contains a lethal dose of fluoride!!!

Aquarius34

kumate_champ07 wrote: »

Irish tap water contains .6mg - .8mg fluoride per litre

the lethal dose for most adult humans is estimated at 5 to 10 g (which is equivalent to 32 to 64 mg/kg elemental fluoride/kg body weight).[1][2][3] Ingestion of fluoride can produce gastrointestinal discomfort at doses at least 15 to 20 times lower (0.2–0.3 mg/kg) than lethal doses.


for an average Irish man weighing 12 stone (78kg)

26-39litres can produce gastrointestinal discomfort but you wont notice because the h2o will have killed you by around the 10th liter

41666litres of Irish tap water contains a lethal dose of fluoride!!!

It is still poison.

You are drinking tap water all the time, it is in food made with fluoridated water. It is in ciggerettes. It's added to foods. It's added to toothpaste. It's chemical toxic waste that has no benefit to the human body whatsoever.

The argument is that it protects teeth. It doesn't because you are swallowing it and once fluoride gets in the body it accumulates and the kidneys cannot flush all of it out especially given just how much fluroide people in this country are consuming daily.

The government don't f*cking care about your teeth, so get real.

kumate_champ07

Aquarius34 wrote: »

blah blah blah ...so get real.

I am keeping it real. for the record I dont think it should be in Irish tap water,
but I think youre either trolling or delusional & paranoid

Aquarius34

kumate_champ07 wrote: »

I am keeping it real. for the record I dont think it should be in Irish tap water,
but I think youre either trolling or delusional & paranoid

Been intelligent and responsible with your own body, isn't been paranoid.

You are over dosed with fluoride constantly once it's in tap water. Think how much of it absorbs into your body in the morning.

• Processed cereal
• drinking a glass of water
• smoking ciggarettes
• having a shower

That's before you even start your day.....

It accumulates in the body, and like other heavy metals it will eventually trigger cancer in the body.

The only dilemma I have is that it's still in our tap water. I am realistic,we can't remove all chemicals and poisons but we can control or keep it at levels that don't hinder our bodies. For example i have to use this shiit for taking a shower, and I am within my rights not to have this shiit been put on my body as I wash myself. It's f*cking absurd that this goes on. Completely a breach of our human rights, it's a crime against the people of this world, to actively poison people.

You still haven't answered my questions. So ignoring it doesn't stand to you well.

kumate_champ07

Aquarius34 wrote: »

You still haven't answered my questions. So ignoring it doesn't stand to you well.

I didnt see you ask me any questions, you typed false statements.

what are your questions?

did you know red meat, lentils, beans, poultry, fish, leaf vegetables, watercress all contain a heavy metal called iron, which in high doses can be toxic

Jimoslimos

Aquarius34 wrote: »

It accumulates in the body, and like other heavy metals it will eventually trigger cancer in the body.

It isn't a metal (ion) and it ain't heavy.

Aquarius34

kumate_champ07 wrote: »

I didnt see you ask me any questions, you typed false statements.

what are your questions?

did you know red meat, lentils, beans, poultry, fish, leaf vegetables, watercress all contain a heavy metal called iron, which in high doses can be toxic

But I can choose what I want in my body, not fluoride when it's pumped into my tap water. Iron is different to sodium fluoride (and has benefits) as you need Iron because it makes up most of your blood to transport food and nutrients around the body. Not all metals/minerals are needed. Some are needed in different required amounts.

Where the f8ck is common sense in this country? I can't understand why people defend fluoridation. It's like a broken record stuck on repeat.

Aquarius34

Jimoslimos wrote: »

It isn't a metal (ion) and it ain't heavy.

Don't correct me, until you get it into your skull that sodium fluoride is harmful to the human body.

kumate_champ07

Aquarius34 wrote: »

But I can choose what I want in my body, not fluoride when it's pumped into my tap water. Iron is different to sodium fluoride (and has benefits) as you need Iron because it makes up most of your blood to transport food and nutrients around the body. Not all metals/minerals are needed and some are needed in different required amounts.

Where the f8ck is common sense in this country? I can't understand why people defend fluoridation. It's like a broken record stuck on repeat.

no not by law, you have limited choice. certain natural herbs arent legally allowed in Ireland, but fine in the UK.
I believe all drugs should be legalized( with heavy regualtions)

Im not defending it, just pointing out the flaws in your 'logic'.

Calibos

This is just getting embarressing at this stage.

Aquarius34

kumate_champ07 wrote: »

no not by law, you have limited choice. certain natural herbs arent legally allowed in Ireland, but fine in the UK.
I believe all drugs should be legalized( with heavy regualtions)

Im not defending it, just pointing out the flaws in your 'logic'.

I don't care what the law states. I am not a slave to anyone. I am responsible for my own health and body, No one tells me what to do with my body or tell me what I can or cannot take.

starlings

Aquarius34 wrote: »

I don't care what the law states. I am not a slave to anyone. I am responsible for my own health and body, No one tells me what to do with my body or tell me what I can or cannot take.

It would seem, unfortunately, that no one can reason with you either.

AnonoBoy

Aquarius34 wrote: »

No one tells me what to do with my body or tell me what I can or cannot take.

Except of course for the fact that they do.

Whether you want them to or not, the laws of the land apply to you and all the Freeman nonsense in the world won't change that.

So if you want to take heroin or cocaine or if you want an abortion in this country then it's a no-no for you.

I'm still waiting of course to hear you explain how fluoride controls people's minds! But I imagine I will never get a response on that which makes any sense, seeing as it actually doesn't! :pac:

Aquarius34

AnonoBoy wrote: »

Except of course for the fact that they do.

No they do not.

Whether you want them to or not, the laws of the land apply to you and all the Freeman nonsense in the world won't change that.

No it does not. If someone inteferes with my free will, they will be dealt with because I don't interfere with other's. So I know where I stand.

So if you want to take heroin or cocaine or if you want an abortion in this country then it's a no-no for you.

I do what I will with my choices. If it affects or harms others, then it's a no no. I am not a woman, so I can't have an abortion. I don't do drugs. So neither apply, again.

I'm still waiting of course to hear you explain how fluoride controls people's minds! But I imagine I will never get a response on that which makes any sense, seeing as it actually doesn't! :pac:

We are all waiting for you to get real.
I am taking none of your crap!

AnonoBoy

Aquarius34 wrote: »

No it does not. If someone inteferes with my free will, they will be dealt with

How will they be dealt with? Ninja skills?

Explain exactly how you will deal with people who try to enforce laws you don't agree with.

We are all waiting for you to get real.
I am taking none of your crap!

Who's this 'we' that are waiting? You and who exactly?

Classic avoiding of answering a question. Go on, explain how fluoride is used to control minds. At least give it a go. I want to see your understanding of chemistry at work.

You're priceless dude. Absolutely priceless.

--Kaiser--

Aquarius34 wrote: »

Ah, bull****, you just can't turn into practical sense. High doses? But if it's in drinking water, you are going to be taking it in high doses we are are drinking tap water all the time. Just as you are smoking it, drinking it, eating it, and eating it in foods that were made out of fluoridated water. It's toxic waste, so tell me what is the point in it?

This was already dealt with in this post, but you either ignore these type of posts or talk drivel like.....

It's used on rat's It is used to protect there teeth though?

...this kind of nonsense

We are overdosed on all sorts of fluoride. Why is there so much emphasis to overdose us with it? Oh it's to protect our teeth right? I wonder why people are so docile and why so many of us have cancer these days? Surely it's not the fluoride. If it's in small doses, then it's not protecting our teeth then? Surely they could of thought of some other mineral that's not so poisonous to protect our teeth.

Meaningless speculation

The elite really love to protect our teeth.. What is the campaign, war on tooth decay? Like war on terrorism?

Looking forward to your response. "grins teeth"

.....the elite?.......terrorism?..... As if you hadn't already marked yourself out as a delusional, two pencils up the nose, underpants on head, tin hatted conspiracy theorist

Aquarius34

--Kaiser-- wrote: »

This was always dealt with in this post, but you either ignore these type of posts or talk drivel like.....



...this kind of nonsense



Meaningless speculation



.....the elite?.......terrorism?..... As if you hadn't already marked yourself out as a delusional, two pencils up the nose, underpants on head, tin hatted conspiracy theorist

You can deny the issues here all you want. But the issue is not dealt with until sodium fluoride is removed from our food and water. Putting sodium fluoride into our water is not acceptable.

darkhorse

AnonoBoy wrote: »

So if you want to take heroin or cocaine .

If I, or anyone else for that matter, think it is wrong to ingest fluoride in large amounts, I am hardly going to want to ingest heroin or cocaine, making your analogy a bit silly.

Aquarius34

AnonoBoy wrote: »

How will they be dealt with? Ninja skills?

Explain exactly how you will deal with people who try to enforce laws you don't agree with.

The same way that I deal with you. It's not acceptable. I keep it simple and I make it clear as to what I will not accept from others.

Who's this 'we' that are waiting? You and who exactly?

Not catching on yet?

Classic avoiding of answering a question. Go on, explain how fluoride is used to control minds. At least give it a go. I want to see your understanding of chemistry at work.

You're priceless dude. Absolutely priceless.

It calcifies the pineal gland and causes brain damage. Why do you think the Nazis used it in concentration camps and why people are so docile in the western world. Especially places like here and USA. It's clearly simple to understand what is going on when you have awareness. But it's you who is deliberately ignoring the facts.

--Kaiser--

Aquarius34 wrote: »

It calcifies the pineal gland and causes brain damage. Why do you think the Nazis used it in concentration camps and why people are so docile in the western world. Especially places like here and USA. It's clearly simple to understand what is going on when you have awareness. But it's you who is deliberately ignoring the facts.

The facts, eh? Let's have some then. Take your time

opinion guy

AnonoBoy wrote: »

You're priceless dude. Absolutely priceless.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ed7fal_S2QM

Aquarius34

--Kaiser-- wrote: »

The facts, eh? Let's have some then. Take your time

There is no time left on the matter. You need face reality on the matter.

darkhorse

--Kaiser-- wrote: »

The facts, eh? Let's have some then. Take your time

See post 557.

Aquarius34

Anyone supporting fluoridation, are supporting the mass population of this country to be poisoned. It's not something someone with any sane mind can just sit around and ignore as to what sodium fluoride does once it's in our bodies.

kumate_champ07

Aquarius34 wrote: »

There is no time left on the matter. You need face reality on the matter.

no time left? if your dont have time to post facts dont post anything else,

bye bye

Aquarius34

kumate_champ07 wrote: »

no time left? if your dont have time to post facts dont post anything else,

bye bye

You choose to ignore the facts.

Sarky

You have yet to present any. But you know that. You do know that by continually posting waffle on the interwebs the Elite will easily track you down and silence your Voice of Truth, yes? Run, there isn't much time!

jma

--Kaiser-- wrote: »

The facts, eh? Let's have some then. Take your time

We've covered a lot of facts here about water fluoridation. I don't know why you keep asking for more. To summarise, here are some of the important ones:

* Ireland is practically the only EU country that gets public fluoridated water (over 70% of the population), apart from parts in the UK (about 11%) and Spain (about 10%). Do Irish people have better, healthier teeth than the rest of Europe?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fluoridation_by_country

* Fluoridation is unethical and a bad medical practice. It's a chemical that is neither licensed nor regulated as a medicine that's added to the public drinking water for the purpose of public health. So, essentially, it's unsupervised, unconsented mass medication using an unlicensed and unregulated substance.

This is partially opinion, but hydrofluosilicic acid is not a medicinal product, and is therefore not regulated by the IMB. According to Minister for Health Noonan, 1996, "Hydrofluosilicic acid is one form in which fluoride/s are available. Others include sodium fluoride and sodium-silico fluoride. All are obtained either as (a) primary products only or as (b) byproducts of the fertiliser industry."

http://oireachtasdebates.oireachtas.ie/debates%20authoring/DebatesWebPack.nsf/takes/dail1996042500042#N4

* The dose cannot be controlled. Once the fluoride is added to the water, the amount of fluoride a person ingests cannot be controlled, simply because different people drink different amounts of water and get fluoride from lots of different sources with lots of different concentrations. As I said before, one person could be getting 800% more fluoride than the next, simply by drinking 8 times more water during the day. You don't need a degree in chemistry to understand that.

This is methematical and common sense.

* Fluoride has absolutely no nutritious value to the body. No disease, not even caries, is caused by a fluoride deficiency. In fact, there is sufficient evidence to suggest that fluoride inhibits or interferes with important natural biological processes within the body.

National Academy of Sciences. (1989). Recommended Dietary Allowances: 10th Edition. Commission on Life Sciences, National Research Council, National Academy Press. p. 235.

Institute of Medicine. (1997). Dietary Reference Intakes for Calcium, Phosphorus, Magnesium, Vitamin D, and Fluoride. Standing Committee on the Scientific Evaluation of Dietary Reference Intakes, Food and Nutrition Board. National Academy Press.

European Commission. (2011). Critical review of any new evidence on the hazard profile, health effects, and human exposure to fluoride and the fluoridating agents of drinking water. Scientific Committee on Health and Environmental Risks (SCHER).

Cheng KK, et al. (2007). Adding fluoride to water supplies. British Medical Journal 335:699-702.

National Research Council (1993). Health Effects of Ingested Fluoride. National Academy Press, Washington DC. p. 30.

* Fluoride, no matter what dose, accumulates in the body over time. Only about 50% of daily intake is excreted through the kidneys (a healthy adult kidney, that is). The rest is absorbed by bones, teeth, and glands. At the very least, this can lead to dental and skeletal fluorosis over time. Children, the elderly and people with impaired kidney function are at a much higher risk because their bodies absorb much more fluoride.

Marier J and Rose D. (1977). Environmental Fluoride. National Research Council of Canada. Associate Committee on Scientific Criteria for Environmental Quality. NRCC No. 16081, Ottawa, Canada.

Luke J. (2001). Fluoride deposition in the aged human pineal gland. Caries Research 35: 125-128.


Luke J. (1997). The Effect of Fluoride on the Physiology of the Pineal Gland. Ph.D. Thesis. University of Surrey, Guildord.

Dai G, et al. (2004). Distributive regulation of bone substance change in various population sub-groups with different fluoride concentrations in drinking water. Chinese Journal of Endemiology.

Dai G. (1988). Quantitative epidemiologic study of the relationship between the content of fluoride and endemic fluorosis. Chinese Journal of Endemiology

* Tooth decay does not go up when fluoridation is stopped. An increase in tooth decay has not been shown in areas where fluoridation has been stopped. This means there's absolutely no valid reason to keep doing it.

Kunzel W, Fischer T. (2000). Caries prevalence after cessation of water fluoridation in La Salud, Cuba. Caries Research.34: 20- 5.

Kunzel W, et al. (2000). Decline in caries prevalence after the cessation of water fluoridation in former East Germany. Community Dentistry and Oral Epidemiology. 28: 382-389.


Kunzel W, Fischer T. (1997). Rise and fall of caries prevalence in German towns with different F concentrations in drinking water.Caries Research. 31: 166-73.

* Young kids are being over-exposed to fluoride. New borns and infants alone are being exposed to fluoride just when their bodies and organs are at critical development stages. Less than half of Irish mothers breastfeed their children, and the babies getting formula milk are exposed to much more fluoride than breastfed babies. Natural breast milk contains only about 0.006 ppm of fluoride, which also backs up the point that fluoride has no nutritious benefits.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2612944/ (accessed 17/01/2013)
http://www.breastfeeding.ie/policy_strategy (accessed 17/01/2013)

Beltran-Aguilar et al 2010: Prevalence and severity of dental fluorosis in the United States, 1999-2004.

Agency for Toxic Substances & Disease Registry (ATSDR) (2003). Toxicological profile for fluorides, hydrogen fluoride, and fluorine. Atlanta, GA: U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, Public Health Service.

Whitford GM. (1994). Intake and metabolism of fluoride. Advances in Dental Research 8:5-14.

Ekstrand J, et al. (1994). Fluoride pharmacokinetics in infancy. Pediatric Res. 35:157-63.

* There is enough evidence to suggest that fluoride has neurotoxic effects and can interfere with brain functions. However, there is not enough research or evidence to be able to say that long-term exposure to fluoride has does not have negative effects on brain function.

Morgan L, et al. (1998). Investigation of the possible associations between fluorosis, fluoride exposure, and childhood behavior problems. Pediatric Dentistry. 20: 244-252.

Mullenix P, et al. (1995). Neurotoxicity of sodium fluoride in rats. Neurotoxicology and Teratology. 17: 169-177.

Sawan RMM et al. (2010) Fluoride Increases Lead Concentrations in Whole Blood and in Calcified Tissues from Lead-Exposed Rats.Toxicology. 271 1–2: 21–26.

Varner JA et al. (1998). Chronic Administration of Aluminum-Fluoride or Sodium-Fluoride to Rats in Drinking Water:Alterations in Neuronal and Cerebrovascular Integrity. Brain Research. 78 (1–2): 284–98.

Choi AL, et al. (2012). Developmental Fluoride Neurotoxicity: A Systematic Review and Meta-Analysis. Environmental Health Perspectives 2012 Jul 20.

Galletti P, Joyet G. (1958). Effect of fluorine on thyroidal iodine metabolism in hyperthyroidism. Journal of Clinical Endocrinology 18(10):1102-1110.

Hong F, et al. (2001). Research on the effects of fluoride on child intellectual development under different environmental conditions. Chinese Primary Health Care 15: 56-57.

* Many countries oppose fluoridation because of environmental, safety and/or ethical reasons. More and more scientists, doctors, dentists and other experts are opposing fluoridation. In a public survey here in Ireland, 45% of people expressed concern. This shows us that there is a concern and all of the above facts SHOULD tell us that our concerns are justified.

This is common knowledge and common sense.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fluoridation_by_country

There are a lot more facts out there, and anyone genuinely interested should take a little bit of time to educate themselves and draw a proper, educated conclusion with regards to the advantages and disadvantages of water fluoridation, instead of echoing the same lines over and over again - things like "Everything is toxic in doses" and "It's all about the dose". We're not talking about occassional exposure, we're talking about regular and constant exposure over a very long period of time.

Sarky

Not interested in backing any of that up? It's only polite to show where your claims are coming from. If they're good sources, then you might have a point.



So... Any time now, ta.

kumate_champ07

jma wrote: »

We've covered a lot of facts here about water fluoridation. I don't know why you keep asking for more. To summarise, here are some of the important ones:

* Ireland is practically the only EU country that gets public fluoridated water (over 70% of the population), apart from parts in the UK (about 11%) and Spain (about 10%). Do Irish people have better, healthier teeth than the rest of Europe?

* Fluoridation is unethical and a bad medical practice. It's a chemical that is neither licensed nor regulated as a medicine that's added to the public drinking water for the purpose of public health. So, essentially, it's unsupervised, unconsented mass medication using an unlicensed and unregulated substance.

* The dose cannot be controlled. Once the fluoride is added to the water, the amount of fluoride a person ingests cannot be controlled, simply because different people drink different amounts of water and get fluoride from lots of different sources with lots of different concentrations. As I said before, one person could be getting 800% more fluoride than the next, simply by drinking 8 times more water during the day. You don't need a degree in chemistry to understand that.

* Fluoride is absolutely no nutritious value to the body. No disease, not even caries, is caused by a fluoride deficiency. In fact, there is sufficient evidence to suggest that fluoride inhibits or interferes with important natural biological processes within the body.

* Fluoride, no matter what dose, accumulates in the body over time. Only about 50% of daily intake is excreted through the kidneys (a healthy adult kidney, that is). The rest is absorbed by bones, teeth, and glands. At the very least, this can lead to dental and skeletal fluorosis over time. Children, the elderly and people with impaired kidney function are at a much higher risk because their bodies absorb much more fluoride.

* Tooth decay does not go up when fluoridation is stopped. An increase in tooth decay has not been shown in areas where fluoridation has been stopped. This means there's absolutely no valid reason to keep doing it.

* Young kids are being over-exposed to fluoride. New borns and infants alone are being exposed to fluoride just when their bodies and organs are at critical development stages. Less than half of Irish mothers breastfeed their children, and the babies getting formula milk are exposed to much more fluoride than breastfed babies. Natural breast milk contains only about 0.006 ppm of fluoride, which also backs up the point that fluoride has no nutritious benefits.

* There is enough evidence to suggest that fluoride has neurotoxic effects and can interfere with brain functions. However, there is not enough research or evidence to be able to say that long-term exposure to fluoride has does not have negative effects on brain function.

* Many countries oppose fluoridation because of environmental, safety and/or ethical reasons. More and more scientists, doctors, dentists and other experts are opposing fluoridation. In a public survey here in Ireland, 45% of people expressed concern. This shows us that there is a concern and all of the above facts SHOULD tell us that our concerns are justified.

There are a lot more facts out there, and anyone genuinely interested should take a little bit of time to educate themselves and draw a proper, educated conclusion with regards to the advantages and disadvantages of water fluoridation, instead of echoing the same lines over and over again - things like "Everything is toxic in doses" and "It's all about the dose". We're not talking about occassional exposure, we're talking about regular and constant exposure over a very long period of time.

A fact (derived from the Latin factum, see below) is something that has really occurred or is actually the case. The usual test for a statement of fact is verifiability, that is whether it can be proven to correspond to experience. Standard reference works are often used to check facts. Scientific facts are verified by repeatable experiments.