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BMW 520d... Why not in Black Sapphire???

  • 02-08-2012 9:48am
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    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,948 ✭✭✭


    Nearly decided on ordering a BMW 520d M-Sport. However, just found out they are not avaliable in Black Sapphire? Why on earth is this??

    Im not a fan of carbon black (although I know many people think this is far nicer than sapphire). And I dont really want to pay the extra for the Citrine black or the Azurite black... Besides... these wouldnt be my first choices anyway.

    I know there is Jet Black... But I far prefer the metallic look of Black Sapphire. Anyone know why when you could order a standard BMW you may have the Sapphire whereas when ordering an M-Sport (and therefore paying the extra few grand) you cant have the Sapphire colour.

    I know maybe it silly but am thinking of changing my car choice altogether coz of this. And I was fairly set on the 520 M-Sport. No need to comment bout keeping clean :). Am very aware it is harder to keep a black car looking shiney :).


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,226 ✭✭✭Stallingrad


    Thinking of a different marque because they don't have your shade of black? Oh to have your troubles!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,948 ✭✭✭Sligo1


    Thinking of a different marque because they don't have your shade of black? Oh to have your troubles!

    Lol... Well to be honest I dont see why anyone would happily spend that much on a car if they couldnt get it 100% what they wanted.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,815 ✭✭✭✭Anan1


    Have you emailed BMW to ask them?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,694 ✭✭✭✭L-M


    Before this thread even kicks off, I'm saying now any further comments not related directly to the OP's request will be deleted and the user will be infracted.

    The OP is buying a new BMW, he/she is allowed to have exactly what they want.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,102 ✭✭✭✭Drummerboy08


    Sophisto grey ll is a very nice colour in that car, just ordered one for a customer. Not many on the road with it either.

    To be fair, carbon black is also nice, very little between it and the old sapphire colour.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,948 ✭✭✭Sligo1


    Sophisto grey ll is a very nice colour in that car, just ordered one for a customer. Not many on the road with it either.

    To be fair, carbon black is also nice, very little between it and the old sapphire colour.

    Thanks. Just looked at Sophisto there, and agreed it is nice. Spose I just dont like the bluish tinge of the carbon. In the sunlight it kinda looks navy. Not a fan of dark blue really. Thinking you're obviously a retailer... any idea or reason they dont come in Sapphire?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,948 ✭✭✭Sligo1


    Anan1 wrote: »
    Have you emailed BMW to ask them?

    Nope. May well do tho. Would also be good to get others opinions on colour aswell. :). Am well aware colour may not be a top priority on people's list for buying a car... But id like to buy a car that im 100% about and colour definitely comes into the equation.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 674 ✭✭✭Dr.Rieux


    My cousin has one which I think is the Sophisto Grey II and I think it looks fantastic.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,102 ✭✭✭✭Drummerboy08


    I'm not a BMW dealer, I do a lot of fleet stuff.

    I think Sophisto is the best colour of the bunch. Supplied a 520d M Sport this week in jet black andI think it lets it down.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,948 ✭✭✭Sligo1


    Sophisto very nice... but for a young female?? Im driving a red 320 coupe at the mo!!! lol... It gonna be a big change!


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  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators Posts: 17,861 Mod ✭✭✭✭Henry Ford III


    ..The OP is buying a new BMW, he/she is allowed to have exactly what they want.

    If the colour simply isn't available no amount of wanting will change that.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,948 ✭✭✭Sligo1


    If the colour simply isn't available no amount of wanting will change that.

    Very true... But if I am paying I have a decision regarding what I choose to pay for. And if it's not avaliable I may equally choose not to purchase. Just wondering about the reason a plain black metallic car with no tingues or hues of other colours is not avaliable in such a popular car is all. I wouldve thought plain metallic black would have been fairly standard.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,038 ✭✭✭ian87


    Can you not pressure the dealer into making a special order?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,102 ✭✭✭✭Drummerboy08


    Sligo1 wrote: »
    Sophisto very nice... but for a young female?? Im driving a red 320 coupe at the mo!!! lol... It gonna be a big change!

    Why go for a 5 series at all then?!

    New 3 series is available in sapphire and your money would buy you more toys too.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,815 ✭✭✭✭Anan1


    Sligo1 wrote: »
    Nope. May well do tho. Would also be good to get others opinions on colour aswell. :). Am well aware colour may not be a top priority on people's list for buying a car... But id like to buy a car that im 100% about and colour definitely comes into the equation.
    I would. It may well be, for example, that the problem is only temporary.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,948 ✭✭✭Sligo1


    Why go for a 5 series at all then?!

    New 3 series is available in sapphire and your money would buy you more toys too.

    I have a massive dog and a baby on the way.... so need the space for trips up the country. Dog can go in boot! :). She usually sits in the back but will have to make way for baby! And im not gone on the 3-series tbh unless its the coupe which unfortunately just wouldnt be practical anymore! But space is the main reason.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,473 ✭✭✭✭Blazer


    Sligo1 wrote: »
    I have a massive dog and a baby on the way.... so need the space for trips up the country. Dog can go in boot! :). She usually sits in the back but will have to make way for baby! And im not gone on the 3-series tbh unless its the coupe which unfortunately just wouldnt be practical anymore! But space is the main reason.

    Go with alpine white...think the new 5 series looks great in this colour..
    Normally I love black but for some reason the F10 looks a helluva lot better in white/grey.
    Maybe because it stands out more I suppose..a black F10 looks like a 3 series/mondeo far away..

    attachment.php?attachmentid=367472&stc=1&d=1270473703


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 301 ✭✭VictorRomeo


    Sligo1 wrote: »
    I have a massive dog and a baby on the way.... so need the space for trips up the country. Dog can go in boot! :)

    Sorry, what now?! Please tell me you are joking, or you are buying an estate!


  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators Posts: 17,861 Mod ✭✭✭✭Henry Ford III


    Sligo1 wrote: »
    Very true... But if I am paying I have a decision regarding what I choose to pay for. And if it's not avaliable I may equally choose not to purchase. Just wondering about the reason a plain black metallic car with no tingues or hues of other colours is not avaliable in such a popular car is all. I wouldve thought plain metallic black would have been fairly standard.

    Dead right too. If they can't supply the exact colour you want why compromise?


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 40,361 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    alpine white with the upgraded 19" wheels.
    The 18" standard MSport wheels just look lost in the arches.

    attachment.php?attachmentid=403010&d=1277924178


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,815 ✭✭✭✭Anan1


    Sligo1 wrote: »
    I have a massive dog and a baby on the way.... so need the space for trips up the country. Dog can go in boot! :). She usually sits in the back but will have to make way for baby! And im not gone on the 3-series tbh unless its the coupe which unfortunately just wouldnt be practical anymore! But space is the main reason.
    Honestly, go for the estate. If you buy a saloon with a dog and a baby you'll regret it every single time you look at the car. Plus the estate looks better. :)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,948 ✭✭✭Sligo1


    Sorry, what now?! Please tell me you are joking, or you are buying an estate!

    Now why would I have to buy and estate? Paying extra for the ski shoot so doggy can be very comfortable in the boot while enjoying a view of the front.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,249 ✭✭✭pippip


    If the op buys a different car because BMW cannot supply the correct black then that is a compromise in itself.

    You would be driving your first choice colour in your second choice car.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,948 ✭✭✭Sligo1


    pippip wrote: »
    If the op buys a different car because BMW cannot supply the correct black then that is a compromise in itself.

    You would be driving your first choice colour in your second choice car.

    Well to be honest the 5 series wouldnt be my first choice anyway! The 6-series gran-coupe would be!!! :pac:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,815 ✭✭✭✭Anan1


    Sligo1 wrote: »
    Now why would I have to buy and estate? Paying extra for the ski shoot so doggy can be very comfortable in the boot while enjoying a view of the front.
    Firstly if you get seen putting a big dog in the boot of a saloon car you'll end up in court on animal cruelty charges, and secondly the boot space in an estate is far more accessible. Even without the dog an estate is better for anyone with a small child. And maybe you can even get the estate in Black Sapphire. ;)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,948 ✭✭✭Sligo1


    Anan1 wrote: »
    Firstly if you get seen putting a big dog in the boot of a saloon car you'll end up in court on animal cruelty charges, and secondly the boot space in an estate is far more accessible. Even without the dog an estate is better for anyone with a small child. And maybe you can even get the estate in Black Sapphire. ;)

    As I said, dog is sorted so no need to worry about cruelty. Paying extra for ski-shoot and also interior boot cover lifts. So thanks but will never be in court re. cruelty to animals. Very carefully thought out. Take care of her like a baby as it is. She wont have to bend or crouch or do anything to that effect. And will have more space than, me, hubby or baby... so all taken care of in that respect. Thank you for your concern tho ;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,473 ✭✭✭✭Blazer


    Why not tweet BMW directly or ask them on their facebook page?

    twitter

    https://twitter.com/BMWGroup

    facebook

    https://www.facebook.com/BMW.Ireland


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,005 ✭✭✭veetwin


    Sligo1 wrote: »
    Now why would I have to buy and estate? Paying extra for the ski shoot so doggy can be very comfortable in the boot while enjoying a view of the front.

    TBF the estate offers alot more than a ski chute and a view for the pooch. The load space is far more useable and you will never fill it even with kids/buggies/dogs. Would hate the idea of a dog in the boot of a saloon car.

    Also it looks class compared to the much more common saloon.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,694 ✭✭✭✭L-M


    veetwin wrote: »
    TBF the estate offers alot more than a ski chute and a view for the pooch. The load space is far more useable and you will never fill it even with kids/buggies/dogs. Would hate the idea of a dog in the boot of a saloon car.

    Also it looks class compared to the much more common saloon.

    My neighbour has this,

    attachment.php?attachmentid=506106&stc=1&d=1302106400

    Nyom nyom nyom nyom!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,380 ✭✭✭daRobot


    Sligo1 wrote: »
    Now why would I have to buy and estate? Paying extra for the ski shoot so doggy can be very comfortable in the boot while enjoying a view of the front.

    You're an absolute disgrace leaving the dog in the boot with a ski hatch open. I wouldn't even dream of doing that to my dog, and I have a ski hatch aswell.

    Get an estate with a dog guard and take proper care of your animal ffs.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,694 ✭✭✭✭L-M


    Sligo1 wrote: »
    As I said, dog is sorted so no need to worry about cruelty. Paying extra for ski-shoot and also interior boot cover lifts. So thanks but will never be in court re. cruelty to animals. Very carefully thought out. Take care of her like a baby as it is. She wont have to bend or crouch or do anything to that effect. And will have more space than, me, hubby or baby... so all taken care of in that respect. Thank you for your concern tho ;)
    daRobot wrote: »
    You're an absolute disgrace leaving the dog in the boot with a ski hatch open. I wouldn't even dream of doing that to my dog, and I have a ski hatch aswell.

    Get an estate with a dog guard and take proper care of your animal ffs.

    Read the thread in future, I'm also infracting you for ignoring my previous intsruction.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,141 ✭✭✭Yakuza


    Do BMW not offer an "Individual" option set any more - you could pretty much get any colour you wanted (paying for the privilege, mind!)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,948 ✭✭✭Sligo1


    daRobot wrote: »
    You're an absolute disgrace leaving the dog in the boot with a ski hatch open. I wouldn't even dream of doing that to my dog, and I have a ski hatch aswell.

    Get an estate with a dog guard and take proper care of your animal ffs.

    Dog guard already purchased. And have also checked safety and comfortability for dog. Friend also works in SPCA and have brought him to see car and he has verified this has plenty of room with air and light and also with removable interior boot cover. Definitely appropritate for an hour and a half car ride where we would be stopping every half hour to let her out anyway. So as I said, thank you for concern, but dog is treated like a baby and perhaps you should get facts straight before giving opinions that are no wanted, warranted or even valid as accurate description of me or the way I treat my dog. Thanks all the same tho. :)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,948 ✭✭✭Sligo1


    Off topic...Can I honestly ask, although the estate is obviously by far a more practical car for my needs..... Surely not everyone who has a dog and a baby would decide on this option??

    Surely many people who have a dog and a baby own a large saloon!!?? And surely they are very happy with their choice?
    Although it does look nice.... I really dont want an estate just yet....
    And I dont think everyone just for the sake of 1 dog and 1 baby buy this type of car.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,948 ✭✭✭Sligo1


    Yakuza wrote: »
    Do BMW not offer an "Individual" option set any more - you could pretty much get any colour you wanted (paying for the privilege, mind!)

    Thanks, im going to email them and ask.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,815 ✭✭✭✭Anan1


    Sligo1 wrote: »
    Off topic...Can I honestly ask, although the estate is obviously by far a more practical car for my needs..... Surely not everyone who has a dog and a baby would decide on this option??

    Surely many people who have a dog and a baby own a large saloon!!?? And surely they are very happy with their choice?
    Although it does look nice.... I really dont want an estate just yet....
    And I dont think everyone just for the sake of 1 dog and 1 baby buy this type of car.
    You could get by with a dog and a baby in a 92 Polo if you had to, but you have the money to make motoring a pleasure - why make your life needlessly harder? This isn't aimed at you, but as a general point i'm constantly puzzled by the aversion of the Irish middle classes to estates - the rest of Europe and the old money here prefer them, and with very good reason.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,022 ✭✭✭sReq | uTeK


    daRobot wrote: »
    You're an absolute disgrace leaving the dog in the boot with a ski hatch open. I wouldn't even dream of doing that to my dog, and I have a ski hatch aswell.

    Get an estate with a dog guard and take proper care of your animal ffs.

    I've never heard such dribble in all my life, do you think the OP is driving across europe, she's already stated it's a 1 1/2 hour journey of which the dog gets taken out during it, whats the problem? Have you bothered to ask the OP how many time she makes this trip? Who are you to tell the OP that it's a disgrace? The OP is making sure the dog is comfortable in every way possible, I don't believe that you should have to compromise style (Which is subjective of course) and purchase an estate just because you have a dog.

    I don't mind estates, they're nice, they're practical, but each to their own.

    I mean the OP has asked about a colour of a car and certain people derail the thread bringing in animal cruelty as they have nothing better to do while they sit at home behind their computer unemployed wishing they could afford a nice new BMW.

    You got to love Green Envy, a trait well versed in Ireland.

    BACK ON TOP. OP the white BMW posted in the photos is by far and away the nicest :)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,948 ✭✭✭Sligo1


    Anan1 wrote: »
    You could get by with a dog and a baby in a 92 Polo if you had to, but you have the money to make motoring a pleasure - why make your life needlessly harder? This isn't aimed at you, but as a general point i'm constantly puzzled by the aversion of the Irish middle classes to estates - the rest of Europe and the old money here prefer them, and with very good reason.

    I do agree with your point. It would be the more practical option. If im honest. I love the car I have now. A fairly new 320i coupe. I LOVE IT. And dont want rid and if it was just the baby I could keep it. But because of our lovely and ''Very well taken care of dog'':pac:... we dont just want to ''get by''... and I have chosen to purchase a larger car for the sake of not ''just getting by.''....Just didnt want to expand to an estate... if that makes sense.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,948 ✭✭✭Sligo1


    But back on the topic of colour!!..... Thanks all for replies


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,032 ✭✭✭Jimbob 83


    There must be a black option, just pressure your dealer tbh


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,051 ✭✭✭keysersoze0330


    Sligo1 wrote: »
    But back on the topic of colour!!..... Thanks all for replies

    All you can do is wait for a reply and see if its available.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,815 ✭✭✭✭Anan1


    Sligo1 wrote: »
    I do agree with your point. It would be the more practical option. If im honest. I love the car I have now. A fairly new 320i coupe. I LOVE IT. And dont want rid and if it was just the baby I could keep it. But because of our lovely and ''Very well taken care of dog'':pac:... we dont just want to ''get by''... and I have chosen to purchase a larger car for the sake of not ''just getting by.''....Just didnt want to expand to an estate... if that makes sense.
    I know exactly what you mean - my only concern is that you be happy long term with whatever decision you make. Have you a friend with a baby? If so, why not bring the friend, the baby, all the baby's stuff - seat, pram, nappies, etc, and the dog (washed of course!) down to the dealership and try both options?

    @Jimbob - BMW can be funny sometimes. I remember at one point the E90 325d was not available with automatic. The 320d was, and the 330d and 335d too, but not the 325. Made no sense, and yet there it was.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,380 ✭✭✭daRobot


    I've never heard such dribble in all my life, do you think the OP is driving across europe, she's already stated it's a 1 1/2 hour journey of which the dog gets taken out during it, whats the problem? Have you bothered to ask the OP how many time she makes this trip? Who are you to tell the OP that it's a disgrace? The OP is making sure the dog is comfortable in every way possible, I don't believe that you should have to compromise style (Which is subjective of course) and purchase an estate just because you have a dog.

    I don't mind estates, they're nice, they're practical, but each to their own.

    I mean the OP has asked about a colour of a car and certain people derail the thread bringing in animal cruelty as they have nothing better to do while they sit at home behind their computer unemployed wishing they could afford a nice new BMW.

    You got to love Green Envy, a trait well versed in Ireland.

    BACK ON TOP. OP the white BMW posted in the photos is by far and away the nicest :)


    I'm actually considering moving on my LS430 for the exact reasons above, and getting a 530/535d touring, but I will be driving across Europe on occasion (economy is also a factor)

    Envious? Please don't make me laugh, an f10 is well within my reach without finance, and how anyone spends their money is entirely their own business.

    But to be clear: If you have a big dog, as I do (Doberman), and you're considering buying new forget the saloon, you have something far better suited to your needs, in the estate, which is certainly no compromise on style.

    Picking the saloon for style reasons, when the estate is the correct choice for your needs, is not being kind to your dog. My point was harshly made sure, and apologies for that but I think you should reconsider your choice.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,051 ✭✭✭keysersoze0330


    As anan1 said, there seems to be a stigma attached to the estate here, compared to the UK and Europe.

    I must say, seeing some of the pics of the newer cars in estates like the 520 would make me consider one as an alternative to a saloon, with or without dog or child


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,948 ✭✭✭Sligo1


    daRobot wrote: »
    I'm actually considering moving on my LS430 for the exact reasons above, and getting a 530/535d touring, but I will be driving across Europe on occasion (economy is also a factor)

    Envious? Please don't make me laugh, an f10 is well within my reach without finance, and how anyone spends their money is entirely their own business.

    But to be clear: If you have a big dog, as I do (Doberman), and you're considering buying new forget the saloon, you have something far better suited to your needs, in the estate, which is certainly no compromise on style.

    Picking the saloon for style reasons, when the estate is the correct choice for your needs, is not being kind to your dog. My point was harshly made sure, and apologies for that but I think you should reconsider your choice.


    Well to be honest... I dont really care what you can and cant afford with or without finance! If I wasnt thinking of practical needs, but just style I would be getting the the 6- series gran-coupe TBH!!!

    And as for your so called '' point ".... im sorry but you didnt really have one in regards to the dog!!! and i dont see how you could call anyone a ''disgrace'' without knowing the facts! Goodluck


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,022 ✭✭✭sReq | uTeK


    daRobot wrote: »
    I'm actually considering moving on my LS430 for the exact reasons above, and getting a 530/535d touring, but I will be driving across Europe on occasion (economy is also a factor)

    Envious? Please don't make me laugh, an f10 is well within my reach without finance, and how anyone spends their money is entirely their own business.

    But to be clear: If you have a big dog, as I do (Doberman), and you're considering buying new forget the saloon, you have something far better suited to your needs, in the estate, which is certainly no compromise on style.

    Picking the saloon for style reasons, when the estate is the correct choice for your needs, is not being kind to your dog. My point was harshly made sure, and apologies for that but I think you should reconsider your choice.

    I think you're missing the point. There is NOTHING wrong IMO and obviously in the eyes of most people who've read the thread with having a dog in the boot of a car, SO LONG as appropriate measures have been taken to ensure the dog's journey is as comfortable as those traveling with it. In this case it would seem to me that the OP is taking all necessary precautions to ensure the dog has a suitable 1 1/2 hour journey (Whenever it's undertaken)
    Not only that the OP has stated numerous times that the dog is well looked after and treated as a baby and is given a break between journeys.

    Now with all that in mind, why would you POSSIBLY throw in with "Dog Cruelty" If you want to talk about cruel by all means look at yourself, I know I'd rather have a big dog in the boot of a car for 1 1/2 journeys the odd time than clumped into an estate while I tour around Europe on 10+ hour drives.

    Also you fail to factor in that what you may think is stylish may well be hideously ugly to others, style is subjective, each to their own.
    I guess when your quick to ram accusations of dog cruelty down a thread for no apparent reason you'd hardly take into consideration that your views may not necessarily meet the views of the general public.

    :eek:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,815 ✭✭✭✭Anan1


    I think you're missing the point. There is NOTHING wrong IMO and obviously in the eyes of most people who've read the thread with having a dog in the boot of a car, SO LONG as appropriate measures have been taken to ensure the dog's journey is as comfortable as those traveling with it. In this case it would seem to me that the OP is taking all necessary precautions to ensure the dog has a suitable 1 1/2 hour journey (Whenever it's undertaken)
    Not only that the OP has stated numerous times that the dog is well looked after and treated as a baby and is given a break between journeys.

    Now with all that in mind, why would you POSSIBLY throw in with "Dog Cruelty" If you want to talk about cruel by all means look at yourself, I know I'd rather have a big dog in the boot of a car for 1 1/2 journeys the odd time than clumped into an estate while I tour around Europe on 10+ hour drives.

    Also you fail to factor in that what you may think is stylish may well be hideously ugly to others, style is subjective, each to their own.
    I guess when your quick to ram accusations of dog cruelty down a thread for no apparent reason you'd hardly take into consideration that your views may not necessarily meet the views of the general public.

    :eek:
    Whatever way you cut it, if the dog were choosing they'd go for the estate. :)


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 40,361 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    Anan1 wrote: »
    Whatever way you cut it, if the dog were choosing they'd go for the estate. :)

    getting the damn dog out of bed in the moring and out to get a job to pay for the thing is another issue alltogether :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,022 ✭✭✭sReq | uTeK


    Anan1 wrote: »
    Whatever way you cut it, if the dog were choosing they'd go for the estate. :)

    Would he really?

    I'd liken it to business class v economy.

    If I told you you had a choice, get to a destination with relative comfort in a short space of time say 1 1/2 hours.

    Or arrive at the same destination 10 hours later?

    I know what one I'd be taking.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,815 ✭✭✭✭Anan1


    Would he really?

    I'd liken it to business class v economy.

    If I told you you had a choice, get to a destination with relative comfort in a short space of time say 1 1/2 hours.

    Or arrive at the same destination 10 hours later?

    I know what one I'd be taking.
    The dog's journey time will be the same regardless of whether the OP chooses a saloon or an estate.


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