The Gay Megathread (see mod note on post #2212)

Giacomo McGubbin

Maynooth has been infiltrated in every respect I can think of since the 70's. The place should have been closed years ago.
It's a miracle the decent students that manage to become ordained via Maynooth are able to come through it relatively unscathed.
Mind you the Irish college in Rome doesn't seem much safer.

aloyisious

Maybe I've got this all wrong about the Grindr app but from what I've seen written about it, it seem's that if one uses it on mobile, it responds by indicating there are others with the app downloaded to their phones present. That in itself may not indicate one's preference but could indicate the former was interested in locating people with Grindr and assume there were homosexuals in the same room or location as a result of getting responses..... If true it could be embarrassing if straight people of a certain profession were to try use it for locating homosexuals and instead end up chasing each others tails instead (pun intended). I just can't imagine it being used within hallowed ground but........ The "oh, I just had it downloaded purely for research purposes" excuse might be met with disbelief.

lazygal

Giacomo McGubbin wrote: »

Maynooth has been infiltrated in every respect I can think of since the 70's. The place should have been closed years ago.
It's a miracle the decent students that manage to become ordained via Maynooth are able to come through it relatively unscathed.
Mind you the Irish college in Rome doesn't seem much safer.

Infiltrated by whom or what?

aloyisious

A friend told me yesterday that some people there were trying to insert the Latin Mass into use there against Vatican changes, trying to turn the clock back.

Edit..... it seem's there's a row going on at Maynooth within the church regarding it and RCC theology and some of it's basic foundations.

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/religion-and-beliefs/why-the-catholic-right-wants-cleanout-in-maynooth-1.2745542

Absolam

Insert eh? Along with all the infiltration and research going on Grindr must be absolutely blowing up, maybe it was the rising cost of all the network traffic that prompted the Archbishop to move the students elsewhere

aloyisious

RTE's Sean O'Rourke show is running a clip with interviews of named present and former seminarians at Maynooth, and their experiences there............................

Update: Listening and reading today about the monsignor at Maynooth explaining why he declined to look at a photo image on a phone, allegedly one of a seminarian behaving in an improper manner, and accept his reason for doing so. Something tell's me that various agendas are being followed by persons in the RCC seminary at Maynooth, not the greatest of which is an anti-homoasexual agenda. It look's like it's based on various persons views on what's important as theological within the RCC.

aloyisious

Interesting Ray D'arcy show, Irish lesbian woman bishop member of their catholic priests association. She was ordained into the priesthood by a RCC bishop. Ray follow's this up with Patricia Murphy (a psychologist) answering questions sent to his show, woman asking if she should ask her brother, whom she thinks is gay, if he is gay or whether to keep quiet.

ScumLord

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While i'm all for openness when it comes to actual priests administering etc, I think this issue needed to be sorted out behind closed doors.

They can't do that without alienating the average person. It's been said that this new information age is to companies what the first time light broke through into the ocean was like for animals in the oceans, it changed everything and lead to the evolution of eyes, what was once in darkness was open for everything to see and there was nowhere to hide anymore.

The internet has obliterated the curtain that companies and organisations used to hide behind. For any business or organisation they have to be open to the public or the public won't trust that they're not up to no good. If the church continues to operate behind closed doors (which they should never be doing, the church is supposed to be the focal point of a community, not a hierarchy) they will lose even more respect, trust and patrons.

ScumLord

ScumLord wrote: »

They can't do that without alienating the average person. It's been said that this new information age is to companies what the first time light broke through into the ocean was like for animals in the oceans, it changed everything and lead to the evolution of eyes, what was once in darkness was open for everything to see and there was nowhere to hide anymore.

The internet has obliterated the curtain that companies and organisations used to hide behind. For any business or organisation they have to be open to the public or the public won't trust that they're not up to no good. If the church continues to operate behind closed doors (which they should never be doing, the church is supposed to be the focal point of a community, not a hierarchy) they will lose even more respect, trust and patrons.

I'm talking about a person training to be a priest. It's not a national issue if a trainee priest is on Grindr - it's a personal matter. A priest on Grindr is a different matter.

smacl

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I'm talking about a person training to be a priest. It's not a national issue if a trainee priest is on Grindr - it's a personal matter. A priest on Grindr is a different matter.

I'm sure this is obvious, but why the distinction?

smacl

smacl wrote: »

I'm sure this is obvious

Well I don't have to say anymore so then, do I?:)

marienbad

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Well I don't have to say anymore so then, do I?:)

Please do . I for one don't follow your reasoning

marienbad

marienbad wrote: »

Please do . I for one don't follow your reasoning

I'd be more interested in your view on why it is in the national interest to know why a student who is working through issues, related to a legal sexual nature, are anyone's business other than his own?

marienbad

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I'd be more interested in your view on why it is in the national interest to know why a student who is working through issues, related to a legal sexual nature, are anyone's business other than his own?

I never said it was in the national interest , I am curious as to why you think there should be a difference between a student and a priest concerning issues relating to a legal sexual nature , as you put it.

marienbad

marienbad wrote: »

I never said it was in the national interest , I am curious as to why you think there should be a difference between a student and a priest concerning issues relating to a legal sexual nature , as you put it.

You won't tie me up in knots, that's for sure honey. Read my posts. they're perfectly clear and I haven't deviated from them since i put forward my argument.

marienbad

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You won't tie me up in knots, that's for sure honey. Read my posts. they're perfectly clear and I haven't deviated from them since i put forward my argument.

Listen James I have no interest in playing rope games with you , I am just genuinely curious why you differentiate between a priest and a non priest on what are clearly personal issues .

If you don't want to answer no prob . We can leave it there

marienbad

marienbad wrote: »

Listen James

James?

marienbad

Deleted User wrote: »

James?

You don't know where your Pseudonym/Avatar comes from ?

http://jamesbond.wikia.com/wiki/Plenty_O'Toole

marienbad

marienbad wrote: »

You don't know where your Pseudonym/Avatar comes from ?

http://jamesbond.wikia.com/wiki/Plenty_O'Toole

You're being so cryptic that i can't possibly have a discussion with you under the current terms of this forum.

PlentyOhToole.

marienbad

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You're being so cryptic that i can't possibly have a discussion with you under the current terms of this forum.

PlentyOhToole.

Promises Promises Plenty - maybe we should go on that thing the priests were on - grindr ?:)

aloyisious

Would Grindr be an appropriate app for PlentyOToole to be using, as distinct from, say; Tinder? Just saying is all, :-,).

Edit, deleted the h.

Delirium

aloyisious wrote: »

Would Grindr be an appropriate app for PlentyOhToole to be using, as distinct from, say; Tinder? Just saying is all, :-,)

MOD NOTE

It would be appreciated if you would avoid getting personal with other posters, i.e. speculating on their sexuality.

Please avoid such comments in future posts.

Thanks for your attention.

aloyisious

Delirium wrote: »

MOD NOTE

It would be appreciated if you would avoid getting personal with other posters, i.e. speculating on their sexuality.

Please avoid such comments in future posts.

Thanks for your attention.

Sorry, didn't see that coming. I meant it as banter in the light of Ian Fleming's P.O.T being female & not likely to be a Grindr user. I should have used P.O.T. instead of the boards.ie user-title.

solodeogloria

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I'm talking about a person training to be a priest. It's not a national issue if a trainee priest is on Grindr - it's a personal matter. A priest on Grindr is a different matter.

Good morning!

Before I start, it's worth pointing out that I'm a Protestant.

Forgive me, but if someone is a student to be in ministry surely we should be expecting them to be of good character and to model what Christian living looks like.

Here's what Paul says on the matter in 1 Timothy 3:

1 Timothy 3:1-13 wrote:

The saying is trustworthy: If anyone aspires to the office of overseer, he desires a noble task. Therefore an overseer must be above reproach, the husband of one wife, sober-minded, self-controlled, respectable, hospitable, able to teach, not a drunkard, not violent but gentle, not quarrelsome, not a lover of money. He must manage his own household well, with all dignity keeping his children submissive, for if someone does not know how to manage his own household, how will he care for God's church? He must not be a recent convert, or he may become puffed up with conceit and fall into the condemnation of the devil. Moreover, he must be well thought of by outsiders, so that he may not fall into disgrace, into a snare of the devil.

Deacons likewise must be dignified, not double-tongued, not addicted to much wine, not greedy for dishonest gain. They must hold the mystery of the faith with a clear conscience. And let them also be tested first; then let them serve as deacons if they prove themselves blameless. Their wives likewise must be dignified, not slanderers, but sober-minded, faithful in all things. Let deacons each be the husband of one wife, managing their children and their own households well. For those who serve well as deacons gain a good standing for themselves and also great confidence in the faith that is in Christ Jesus.

Notice a Christian minister in Paul's view is meant to follow the Christian model of relationships. In fact a Christian minister is meant to be mature in the Christian faith. Discernment seems to be lacking if we can dismiss this as "just being a student".

Being a minister in a Christian church is a big responsibility. People shouldn't be seen as "just students". If someone is in the process of being an ordained minister in a church then it shouldn't be acceptable for them to be living in a manner that is contrary to Biblical teaching.

Much thanks in the Lord Jesus Christ,
solodeogloria

aloyisious

solodeogloria wrote: »

Good morning!

Before I start, it's worth pointing out that I'm a Protestant.

Forgive me, but if someone is a student to be in ministry surely we should be expecting them to be of good character and to model what Christian living looks like.

Here's what Paul says on the matter in 1 Timothy 3:


Notice a Christian minister in Paul's view is meant to follow the Christian model of relationships. In fact a Christian minister is meant to be mature in the Christian faith. Discernment seems to be lacking if we can dismiss this as "just being a student".

Being a minister in a Christian church is a big responsibility. People shouldn't be seen as "just students". If someone is in the process of being an ordained minister in a church then it shouldn't be acceptable for them to be living in a manner that is contrary to Biblical teaching.

Much thanks in the Lord Jesus Christ,
solodeogloria

Ummm, where is the evidence that any of the students were living in a manner that is contrary to Biblical teaching? All that seem's to have been offered as evidence is media-hearsay which (while informative) is of the third-hand anonymous type. It's entirely possible that the seminarian-students referred to in the reports are innocent of the reported alleged Grindr "offences".

Being a student at a seminary one is just that (one of learning for the ministry) and not a minister. Part of that seminarian's training would include the bible, with the purpose of leading to a ministerial understanding and behaviour of the type you mean.

Re St Paul, he could hardly have been referring to a Christian minister as the churches (plural) did not exist back then as they do now. I think he (a Jewish man, a Roman citizen and convert) would have been referring to Jesus Christ (his teacher, also a Jewish man) referencing back to the instructions of Yahweh to his people. The concept of a Christian religion would probably never have existed in anyone's mind.

It would appear that the reference (1 Timothy 3:1-13) you mention is subject to interpretation. Personally I would like the majority Christian church here to include marriage rites being open to it's priestly ministers. It's possible that marriage might lead the ministers to the path of marital faithfulness to his church's biblical teachings as well, and maybe a better understanding of the concept of marriage outside that currently being taught by the majority Christian church here, different to that of the other major Christian religion in these isles.

solodeogloria

Good evening!

On a Roman Catholic level the magisterum and church teaching prohibit this kind of sexual behaviour.

From a Reformed perspective (which I hold to) one would lean towards homosexual acts amongst other forms of sexual activity outside of marriage being prohibited. These have been discussed in previous posts on this thread. I personally have made a Biblical case in previous posts.

Christian trainee ministers should be seeking to live godly lives in the present age much like congregation members except that ministers are to teach others and as a result are held to a higher standard (see James chapter 3).

Much thanks in the Lord Jesus Christ,
solodeogloria

lazybones32

aloyisious wrote: »

Ummm, where is the evidence that any of the students were living in a manner that is contrary to Biblical teaching? All that seem's to have been offered as evidence is media-hearsay which (while informative) is of the third-hand anonymous type. It's entirely possible that the seminarian-students referred to in the reports are innocent of the reported alleged Grindr "offences".

You do recall that it was you who brought up this topic? You were quite happy to continue posting the hearsay and your own interpretations, ideas, etc.

aloyisious

lazybones32 wrote: »

You do recall that it was you who brought up this topic? You were quite happy to continue posting the hearsay and your own interpretations, ideas, etc.

Fair enough point. I was just musing philo-sophically, as it were, at the church getting it's knickers in a twist over anonymous reports of alleged homosexual activities within Maynooth, seeing as it (the church) is a straight institution. God alone know's it took me years to accept I'm not straight, so I still can't quite get my head around how strange the curious pre-occupation a straight institution has with homosexuals, like they still get the wobbles when one of us show's up.

The odds are slim that I would be interested in taking a priest for a walk on the wild side, though I do admire Benny's choice in footwear, the poor dears are so busy looking over their shoulders at their priestly colleagues.

lazybones32

The Church didn't get in a twist about it: the Indo ran a story, based on an anonymous letter (reminiscent of the UCD debacle earlier this year) and certain folk either swallowed the story whole or suspended their ability to think and question their sources, either innocently or deliberately.

The Church isn't as preoccupied with topics as media outlets portray: the Vatican releases statements weekly but they M.M only report on topics that will generate clicks or discussion on their webpages. Chuir se dallamullog air (this is a Dutch laptop, so I've no fadas)

aloyisious

@lazybones32:Off-topic, for the fadas, have you tried pressing the Ctrl and Alt buttons together while pressing the specific letter, ala Séan or Seán? I'd have thought, being continental, the Dutch might use literary accents, like the French.

Well, I never! I'd never have put the M.M. into the frame as propaganda-ists. Denis, rein in your hordes.