Armoured Cars , Tanks & Guns 1916-1924

R.Dub.Fusilier

Just thought i would start a photo/picture thread where posters came put up photos they have of military vechiles both Irish and British dating from the Easter Rising to the Civil War.

No need to debate the politics of the period justput up and share your photos

vintary

Jeffery quad armoured car in British service on patrol in Belfast September 1920. ( note the Dublin Reg number "RI 4873".

tac foley

I've got a ton of pics of Sliabh na mBan taken on a trip to the Curragh back in 2001, but I dare say that with its popularity and recent rebuild on youTube you'll all be posting pics.

tac

johnny_doyle

Slight variation.

Attached is a driving licence for Frank Nichols from Brentwood in Essex, a member of 17th (Armoured Car) Battalion, Tank Corps who were based in Marlborough Barracks, Dublin during the Tan War.

His medal group were up for sale a while back

http://www.dnw.co.uk/medals/auctionarchive/viewspecialcollections/itemdetail.lasso?itemid=39342

He was in Cork for part of his tour of Ireland. Discharged 21/4/1920.

He had enlisted for service with the Royal Flying Corps but was transferred to the Tank Corps by the army compulsorily.

tac foley

The July issue of Military Classic Vehicle magazine has a great article on Irish harmoured cars.

I assume that you don't need a firearms license to go buy it.

tac

R.Dub.Fusilier

another few trucks and armoured cars all taken in Dublin.

R.Dub.Fusilier

these two are taken in Dublin , my guess is that its on Dame Street don't know if its British or Irish. Any ideas ??

johnny_doyle

a Free State dispatch rider courtesy of a similar thread from the old Dublin.ie forums.

The civilian registration numbers on military vehicles can be a handy dating tool.

The YI registration is Dublin after April 1921 through to 1927.

RI was in use for Dublin Dec 1903 to April 1921.

For the Belfast Crossley, OI was the Belfast registration prefix from Jan 1904 to 1922.

The following photo in the South Dub Libraries collection is labelled Easter 1916 but the registration number is later than that (plus 2 other dating clues that say it's not Easter 1916)

http://source.southdublinlibraries.ie/bitstream/10599/4858/2/wm_4639.jpg

tac foley

johnny_doyle wrote: »

a Free State dispatch rider courtesy of a similar thread from the old Dublin.ie forums.

The civilian registration numbers on military vehicles can be a handy dating tool.

The YI registration is Dublin after April 1921 through to 1927.

RI was in use for Dublin Dec 1903 to April 1921.

For the Belfast Crossley, OI was the Belfast registration prefix from Jan 1904 to 1922.

The following photo in the South Dub Libraries collection is labelled Easter 1916 but the registration number is later than that (plus 2 other dating clues that say it's not Easter 1916)

http://source.southdublinlibraries.ie/bitstream/10599/4858/2/wm_4639.jpg

That's all very useful information to which I'll add a bit more -

CK = RR armoured cars operated by the BA = wartime registrations.

Later on, six of these were renumbered XI in the north.

Thanks to David Fletcher of the Tank Museum. Bovington, for that info.

tac

vintary

A lot of stuff been printed lately on the Rolls Royce armoured car including the Irish Rolls Royce. That article on the Irish Rolls mentioned by “tac Foley in post 5” July Classic military vehicle magazine written by David Fletcher, I found quit interesting,,, although I did email David Fletcher with some correction.

vintary

RE post 6

First two image “rather than retype further information on what’s going on in the image, your welcome to have a look at my Peerless armoured car blog page. http://peerlessarmouredcar.blogspot.ie/

Image three is a armoured Lancia on Capel street Dublin, crew named “Fernside”



RE post 7

Both images, accident on Dame street Dublin. More information on my armoured Lancia blog page if you’re interested. http://armouredlancia.blogspot.ie/

I also have more Irish military vehicles blog pages if you’re interested drop in have a look “it’s free” http://militaryvehiclesireland.blogspot.ie/

johnny_doyle

not a military vehicle but one of the era that Boards.ie members may have come across. Possibly used after some of the military actions of the period and appears to have been in the funeral cortege of Michael Collins

http://www.ivvcc.ie/php/site.php?page=/articles/html/1

I think the IK registration was a Dublin County code used from 1903 to March 1927. Pembroke Urban District Council's fire engine purchased in 1910 was numbered IK 686. Both vehicles are handy as dating reference points.

The Irish Times Book of the Century by Fintan O'Toole has a nice photo of IK 686 with other Fire Brigade vehicles IK 1614, IK 1413 and IK 1414.

From Tim Pat Coogan and George Morrison's book The Irish Civil War with a huge collection of photos :

p 16 a Crossley Tender outside Harcourt railway station carrying Auxilliaries, IK 3033

p84 UVF Motor Cycle Corps - OI 282, IJ 767, BO 1076, OI 2615, OI 497 and then some

p 182/3 Lancia armoured cars pictured at the start of the Civil War next to the artillery piece firing on the Four Courts are registered as OI 9213 (chalked with "We have no time for Truceleers") and OI 9173 (labelled Ashtown). They appear in this image
http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd1/GenghisMcCann/Lancia%20Triota%20Armoured%20Lorry/lancia.jpg

Ralph Riccio's "AFV's in Irish Service since 1922" has a nice photo of the "Fernside" armoured car with an anti grenade mesh on top.


Nice image of a Crossley tender NC 1785 here
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~donegal/CrossleyTender.jpg

A Lancia in Belfast with anti-grenade mesh
http://photosales.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/media/7i8ca-LHyf5f1rnOTt1LUQ..a

johnny_doyle

better picture of a Lancia with cage

http://www.flickr.com/photos/bc-burnslibrary/6130397840/

NLI has a great range of photos on Flickr that show a number of military vehicles

http://www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland/6393759933/in/photostream

http://www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland/6340864262/in/photostream

http://www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland/5980824888/in/photostream

johnny_doyle

tank in Limerick with the Royal Welsh/Welch Fusiliers

http://mdonovan.free.fr/rwf/pages/2_rwf_limerick.htm

Also from Limerick, sample Irish Motor Directory listings (I'm keen to see the equivalent for Dublin and Belfast given the number of military vehicles that appear to have been registered in these cities)

http://limerick.ie/history/localstudies/ownersoflimerick-registeredmotorvehicles1912-1914/

R.Dub.Fusilier

pictures 1 & 2 are from the same raid , i think it my be Talbot Street. no 4 is near to Capel Street as the fruit market can be seen in the background of the photo.

pedroeibar1

johnny_doyle wrote: »

tank in Limerick with the Royal Welsh/Welch Fusiliers

http://mdonovan.free.fr/rwf/pages/2_rwf_limerick.htm

Also from Limerick, sample Irish Motor Directory listings (I'm keen to see the equivalent for Dublin and Belfast given the number of military vehicles that appear to have been registered in these cities)

http://limerick.ie/history/localstudies/ownersoflimerick-registeredmotorvehicles1912-1914/

The goat is the giveaway for the Royal Welch. The poet Robert Graves served with them and was less than complementary about their time in Limerick, where his grandfather had been CoI bishop for many years. (It's in 'Goodbye to All That' - cannot locate my copy to quote exact comment, he went to Limerick after his time in the trenches.)

R.Dub.Fusilier

R.Dub.Fusilier wrote: »

pictures 1 & 2 are from the same raid , i think it my be Talbot Street. no 4 is near to Capel Street as the fruit market can be seen in the background of the photo.

I was wrong about pics 1&2 it is more likely to be Capel Street. the 2 pics are in this page from The Graphic dated January 1922

johnny_doyle

nice pic here of BA trucks departing for England

http://www.flickr.com/photos/23885771@N03/4847180170/

vintary

R.Dub.Fusilier wrote: »

pictures 1 & 2 are from the same raid , i think it my be Talbot Street. no 4 is near to Capel Street as the fruit market can be seen in the background of the photo.

excellent photos I have not seen photo 1+4 before and such good quality photos aswell.

johnny_doyle

a BA lorry at the Customs House


Sleep Soldier Sleep (about Padraig O'Connor 4th Batt, Dublin ASU) contains some info the the shooting by members of the 4th Batt mentioned in the caption.

johnny_doyle

the RTE stills library is worth a visit for a variety of pics including military vehicles,

https://stillslibrary.rte.ie/indexplus/page/Home.html

the Joseph Cashman collection in the RTE stills library has this image of Michael O'Leary VC being driven through Dublin on a recruitment drive.

johnny_doyle

car at the handover of Parkgate in 1922. Looks to be a British soldier in the passenger seat

http://irishvolunteers.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/GHQ-Parkgate-handover-1922.jpg

R.Dub.Fusilier

Some Free State veichles

R.Dub.Fusilier

Improvised armoured cars from the Easter Rising. these have been up before on boards as far as i know but in case some havent come across them i have put them up again.

Charawacky

Picture FS Troops in Truck

Crossley 25/30

Note
Nearside front has twins fitted
Spare is now a single from the nearside front
Must have had a puncture!

Tom

nuac

A volunteer Moran of Mulranny Mayo built a armoured car by fixing a boiler "liberated" from the GSR Hotel there and installing same on a lorry chassis. Used on an attack on CLifden ( during the Civil War, I think ).

It was called the Queen of the West. Photograph of it in the family pub, ( once also a garage ) Dohertys Mulranny

R.Dub.Fusilier

Here is a pic of two tanks in Co. Cork

R.Dub.Fusilier

a couple of others.

vintary

Queen of the west (its a crossley chassis)

nuac

re Queen of the West

Article in 2003 edition of Cathair na Mart ( Westport Historical Society by Vincent Keane, a local historian. Describes it's building by Tom Moran Mulranny, a great mechanic. Built on a Lancia chassis, on which a boiler from GSR Hotel Mulranny was fitted. Lancia engine unable to cope, so Tom Moran installed a Crossley lorry engine. Took part in attach on Clifden, then held by Free State troops. Got as far as police barracks, but defenders were able to shoot tyres off.

Later captured by Free State when they retook Clifden, and re-named "The Girl I left behind me". Brought to Westport and Keane believes it was then brought to Military Barracks Mullingar.

No photograph with the article but VK says there is a photograph in Joe Baker's book My stand for Freedom. Joe came to Westport from Omagh area. He was involved in the W of I and in the Civil War on the Republican side. He ran a business inWestport for many years afterwards but as far as I know spoke little of those days. He was a very modest man.

gobnaitolunacy

nuac wrote: »

re Queen of the West

Article in 2003 edition of Cathair na Mart ( Westport Historical Society by Vincent Keane, a local historian. Describes it's building by Tom Moran Mulranny, a great mechanic. Built on a Lancia chassis, on which a boiler from GSR Hotel Mulranny was fitted. Lancia engine unable to cope, so Tom Moran installed a Crossley lorry engine. Took part in attach on Clifden, then held by Free State troops. Got as far as police barracks, but defenders were able to shoot tyres off.

Later captured by Free State when they retook Clifden, and re-named "The Girl I left behind me". Brought to Westport and Keane believes it was then brought to Military Barracks Mullingar.

No photograph with the article but VK says there is a photograph in Joe Baker's book My stand for Freedom. Joe came to Westport from Omagh area. He was involved in the W of I and in the Civil War on the Republican side. He ran a business inWestport for many years afterwards but as far as I know spoke little of those days. He was a very modest man.

Looks a bit 'agricultural'.
Did it ever become a museum piece or was it scrapped?