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Physical force republican groups unite to form new IRA

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    #32
    robbiezero
    Registered Users Posts: 4,339 ✭✭✭robbiezero


    Dotsey wrote: »
    the wheels are in motion for a 32 county Ireland and it will only come through dialogue, openness, respect and reconciliation.

    Do you really think the wheels are in motion?
    I think its centuries away if ever.


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    #33
    JustinDee
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,684 ✭✭✭JustinDee


    Fenian Army wrote: »
    Intransigence from people who should really know better has thrust these groups together and sprung a "new IRA", an atmosphere of unity has been forged by the powers that be, something which could have been easily prevented by using some common sense.
    Wow. For a change, its everybody else's fault but the protagonists themselves.
    Quelle surprise . . .


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    #34
    SocSocPol
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,043 ✭✭✭SocSocPol


    Sometimes the greater good of society has to be protected and the individual rights of the few sacrificed for the greater good of society.
    These guys are hoods, thugs, criminals nothing else. Since the people north and South endorsed the Belfast Agreement these thugs have continued to murder and maim remember Masserene, Omagh, Constables Carroll and Kerr?
    The only way to fight fire is with fire and the Real Politic of this situation demands that any and all coercive measure required , from internment to shoot to kill be enacted to halt these criminals now.


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    #35
    Fenian Army
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,483 ✭✭✭Fenian Army


    JustinDee wrote: »
    Wow. For a change, its everybody else's fault but the protagonists themselves.
    Quelle surprise . . .
    Why do you think the groups involved, which have been at each others throats for years, have unified?

    Instead of this division being encouraged, the opposite has happened, unity has been encouraged by giving them things to rally around, ie prisons.

    This is a bad development for the peace process.

    It is Britians fault, namely the secretary of state and Mi5. This could have easily been prevented.


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    #36
    I am pie
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,652 ✭✭✭I am pie


    It's the fault of a bunch of dinosaurs who did not accept the will of the majority of the people of Ireland. Blaming anyone else is quite disrespectful to the rest of us who continue to show our lack of support for these toerags at election time. Sinn Fein's vote grows precisely because they have moved away from their physical force past.

    My hope, although the security forces will never admit it, is that a single organisation which a unified command will be easier to infiltrate, monitor and disrupt. So long as this is done in a way which doesn't offer up any martyrs then I believe the expertise is in place to control these clowns, at least I hope so.

    If my comments seem disrespectful, it is intentional. I have absolute no respect for anyone associated with these murderers.


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    #37
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    Fenian Army wrote: »
    Why do you think the groups involved, which have been at each others throats for years, have unified?

    Instead of this division being encouraged, the opposite has happened, unity has been encouraged by giving them things to rally around, ie prisons.

    This is a bad development for the peace process.

    It is Britians fault, namely the secretary of state and Mi5. This could have easily been prevented.

    Do tell, how might Britain have appeased criminals such as these?

    I would class them as a criminal gang, because that is what the are.


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    #38
    JustinDee
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,684 ✭✭✭JustinDee


    Fenian Army wrote: »
    Why do you think the groups involved, which have been at each others throats for years, have unified?

    Instead of this division being encouraged, the opposite has happened, unity has been encouraged by giving them things to rally around, ie prisons.

    This is a bad development for the peace process.

    It is Britians fault, namely the secretary of state and Mi5. This could have easily been prevented.
    Bollocks.
    The fault lies with those who refuse to accept what the overwhelming majority of the electorate on this island want and bugger all else. The sooner they realise this, the better. Usurping the democratic wishes of population, particularly via violent means, is nothing more than fascism, allegedly one of the original causes of their struggle in the first place.
    I'd actually pity these ill-educated, misinformed deludées along with any excuse who supports them if it weren't for their means. Seriously lost characters.

    Its about time certain Irish folk grew up and realised that everything to blame is not across the ditch but right on their own effing doorstep.


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    #39
    Fenian Army
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,483 ✭✭✭Fenian Army


    JustinDee wrote: »
    Bollocks.
    The fault lies with those who refuse to accept what the overwhelming majority of the electorate on this island want and bugger all else. The sooner they realise this, the better. Usurping the democratic wishes of population, particularly via violent means, is nothing more than fascism, allegedly one of the original causes of their struggle in the first place.
    I'd actually pity these ill-educated, misinformed deludées along with any excuse who supports them if it weren't for their means. Seriously lost characters.

    Its about time certain Irish folk grew up and realised that everything to blame is not across the ditch but right on their own effing doorstep.
    Well if you say its bollocks then it must be.

    What I'm saying is that this could have easily been prevented with a common sense approach, but it hasnt been, because of intransigence and sheer stupidity.

    It shouldn't be an unreasonable "concession" to have a just legal system which doesn't breach peoples human rights and a decent, safe and secure prison like Portlaiose. The issue in the prisons has forged unity, if this had have been removed by having a good system in place (if people object so much why are they content to have the system in Portlaoise?) not only would it not be bringing these groups together but it would starve them of their most potent propaganda.

    But it seems I'm totally unreasonable and full of bollocks for wanting to further the peace process.


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    #40
    Crooked Jack
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    SocSocPol wrote: »
    Sometimes the greater good of society has to be protected and the individual rights of the few sacrificed for the greater good of society.
    These guys are hoods, thugs, criminals nothing else. Since the people north and South endorsed the Belfast Agreement these thugs have continued to murder and maim remember Masserene, Omagh, Constables Carroll and Kerr?
    The only way to fight fire is with fire and the Real Politic of this situation demands that any and all coercive measure required , from internment to shoot to kill be enacted to halt these criminals now.

    Oh my God. You are suggesting this new group be stamped out by the two things that swelled the ranks of the PIRA and gave them their biggest ever boosts.
    There are a lot of people on here talking a lot of crap about something they know very little about.


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    #41
    Triangla
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    New republican armed threat = more soldiers drafted in to deal with it

    Epic fail there lads


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    #42
    old hippy
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    These clowns do not represent Ireland & they will receive very little support. By continuing the conflict they are actually declaring war on the wishes of the majority of the people in the Republic and the 6 counties who want peace.


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    #43
    Fenian Army
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,483 ✭✭✭Fenian Army


    Triangla wrote: »
    New republican armed threat = more soldiers drafted in to deal with it

    Epic fail there lads
    You don't comprehend the situation.

    That is exactly what they want, to shatter normalization and, as they would say, smash the false reality SF have built up and reveal the north as being just as much under the control, and at the mercy of, the Brits as ever before.

    So it's not an "epic fail". Brits on the street would be a win for them.


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    #44
    JustinDee
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    Fenian Army wrote: »
    You don't comprehend the situation
    I do. They and their apologists don't. That's the problem.


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    #45
    Fenian Army
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,483 ✭✭✭Fenian Army


    JustinDee wrote: »
    I do. They and their apologists don't. That's the problem.
    Congratulations.

    But that comment was not said to you... Are you aiming that "apologist" jibe at me? Looks that way seen as you dismissed the rest of my post.


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    #46
    maddragon
    Registered Users Posts: 590 ✭✭✭maddragon


    LoYL wrote: »
    So the PIRA joins with the RIRA, the CIRA and the OIRA to form the PORC IRA. They should smuggle sausages.

    That's a very hammy comment.


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    #47
    celtictiger32
    Registered Users Posts: 2,488 ✭✭✭celtictiger32


    poeticseraphim wrote: »
    They should be hunted down and exiled.

    Seriously they are hated ...by Irish people ..they are oppressive to Irish culture.

    I wonder how SF will try to spin it?? It should destroy their gains.

    They have effectively destroyed any chance of the South accepting the Idea of a united Ireland now never mind the North.

    They should be treated as nothing more than criminals.

    Forget about them...they are as oppressive as any foreign force really anti democratic scum.

    why should sf have to try and spin it at all? and how would it destroy their gains? these are dissident republican groups that have been condemned by sf on numerous occasions.


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    #48
    Triangla
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    Fenian Army wrote: »
    You don't comprehend the situation.

    That is exactly what they want, to shatter normalization and, as they would say, smash the false reality SF have built up and reveal the north as being just as much under the control, and at the mercy of, the Brits as ever before.

    So it's not an "epic fail". Brits on the street would be a win for them.

    I comprehend alright - don't worry about that.

    It's an epic fail, let's hope they someday achieve their goal so that they stop complaining about British rule and start giving out about Irish government rule like the rest of us!


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    #49
    Fenian Army
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,483 ✭✭✭Fenian Army


    Triangla wrote: »
    I comprehend alright - don't worry about that.

    It's an epic fail, let's hope they someday achieve their goal so that they stop complaining about British rule and start giving out about Irish government rule like the rest of us!
    How is it an epic fail if it's what they want?


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    #50
    Triangla
    Registered Users Posts: 818 ✭✭✭Triangla


    It's an epic fail in my opinion.

    If it's what they want - it's an even more epic fail.

    Epic fail squared?


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    #51
    Fenian Army
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,483 ✭✭✭Fenian Army


    Triangla wrote: »
    It's an epic fail in my opinion.

    If it's what they want - it's an even more epic fail.

    Epic fail squared?
    I thought you were saying it was an "epic fail" from their POV.


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    #52
    Genghis Khan.
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 53 ✭✭Genghis Khan.


    I hope some one puts a knapsack on their back and kills these Republican terrorists. Victory to the Red hand!


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    #53
    maddragon
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    Genghis Khan. wrote: »
    I hope some one puts a knapsack on their back and kills these Republican terrorists. Victory to the Red hand!

    Tyrone are out of this years GAA football championship.


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    #54
    Richard Hillman
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    The groups were so small and rag tag that they probably amalgamated to look even slightly respectable. We've all seen the little marches and ceremonies they have. Its just a bunch of overweight drunks. These groups are infiltrated to the balls by Mi5 and the Gardai.

    Every time they move a large bomb it gets caught and its not a coincidence. When they use smaller bombs or shoot anybody the infiltrators have to ignore it how not to raise suspicion. Although saying that they would be thicker than we all think they are if they dont think that there isnt undercover people in their movement.

    Amalgimating groups makes it easier for the Gardai and Mi5 to control them. It was probably them who did it for them :pac:


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    #55
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    Fenian Army wrote: »
    You don't comprehend the situation.

    That is exactly what they want, to shatter normalization and, as they would say, smash the false reality SF have built up and reveal the north as being just as much under the control, and at the mercy of, the Brits as ever before.

    So it's not an "epic fail". Brits on the street would be a win for them.


    I would imagine their wishes would lie closer to something along the lines of consolidating the drug trade/protection rackets. Sure they might want chaos, but only because that will help them to get away with more crime.

    Why are you such and out and out believer that these men are in some way "dedicated to the cause". They are no more dedicated to the cause of one Ireland than the US are for democracy in the Middle East. It's a phony cause for selfish purposes.


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    #56
    Genghis Khan.
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 53 ✭✭Genghis Khan.


    maddragon wrote: »
    Tyrone are out of this years GAA football championship.
    Ulster Protestants are ready and prepared to defend themselves if they must from Republican aggression.


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    #57
    whitelines
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    Fenian Army wrote: »
    You don't comprehend the situation.

    That is exactly what they want, to shatter normalization and, as they would say, smash the false reality SF have built up and reveal the north as being just as much under the control, and at the mercy of, the Brits as ever before.

    So it's not an "epic fail". Brits on the street would be a win for them.

    Everyone knows that The UK is totally in control of all it's territory including Northern Ireland - no one and I mean no one is under any illusion about that reality.


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    #58
    celtictiger32
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    Genghis Khan. wrote: »
    I hope some one puts a knapsack on their back and kills these Republican terrorists. Victory to the Red hand!

    seriously?.............. get over yourself!:rolleyes:


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    #59
    southsiderosie
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    Genghis Khan. wrote: »
    I hope some one puts a knapsack on their back and kills these Republican terrorists. Victory to the Red hand!

    MOD NOTE:

    Banned for one month.

    Let me make this clear: celebration and/or promotion of murder is strictly prohibited in this forum.


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    #60
    Fenian Army
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,483 ✭✭✭Fenian Army


    Rojomcdojo wrote: »
    I would imagine their wishes would lie closer to something along the lines of consolidating the drug trade/protection rackets. Sure they might want chaos, but only because that will help them to get away with more crime.

    Why are you such and out and out believer that these men are in some way "dedicated to the cause". They are no more dedicated to the cause of one Ireland than the US are for democracy in the Middle East. It's a phony cause for selfish purposes.

    I believe it, because it is true.

    What you say makes no sense, crime gangs get away with stuff and are under a much smaller spotlight with much more lenient consequences for their actions than IRA members are.

    So if they were interested in crime, profits etc why not just be an ordinary criminal?

    What you say is a myth the media (Herald in particular) like to spread. It's really unnecessary, surely they are bad enough without making things up.


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    #61
    stovelid
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    While they certainly pose a danger, they won't have anything near to the factors that surrounded their forebears: public sympathy and so on and should be easier for the state to ruthlessly snuff out.

    One thing I would worry about is that they provoke a resurgence of loyalism though.


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