Jacking in dole for maths gambling sysyem

looper333

I have been studying 6 hours daily for 17 weeks now after a couple of years researching and trying out different math equations in search of a winning formula. After numerous tweaks i have one that has produced the following results of paper trail only.( all based on horse racing but no knowledge of racing needed, only math)

Week 1 = 145
2= 245
3= 148
4= 438 ( 1 day)
5 = 447
6 = 198
7 = 277
8 = 501
9 = 634
10= -201
11= 444
12= 456
13= 322
14= 315
15= 356
16= -57
17= 70
Only red weeks were full weeks Mon to Sunday while the rest were from Monday to Saturday as in rules of math system with week 4 only needing one day to reach target as with math system rule.

Current week is at the moment standing on 163 profit for week

The Math equation system is all my own work and did not come easily, took years to get this far. I wouldn't give the equation to anybody for any price.

All results are equal to one unit equaling 10 euros so if i double the unit then you can double results outcome per week.

To start the system in real play a bank of 50 units would more than cover any bad period to date and keep the system ticking over with results above. ie 1 unit = 10 euros needs 500 euros start bank

It is only 18 week sin play paper trail so how long before i can say this could actually keep working, i am still waiting for the big nosedive but although last 2 weeks were ropey it still recovered and turned out not too bad.

I currently owe 250 in rent and 230 on ESB and i currently have 350 euros to my name after a nice win on a 15 euros accumulator.

Do i pay my bills or start playing for real with my current bank at 5 euros per unit until i increase bank. I won't get thrown out of apartment just yet but i am getting letters threatening eviction if not paid. It would take a few months to evict me legally and i am sure i could get away with esb for 4 months at least. It could take months before i get 300 odd bank again to start with as times are very hard and there just is no jobs although i admit i would not take a low paying job working with people who can hardly count. I have had very well paid jobs of over 2k a week before but not for a number of years.

Do i just go for this like a true Irishman or be a wimp and just pay bills and keep paper trailing for a few months until i can maybe get up a big enough bank to start. Saving small amounts of money a week is impossible unless i have a lot coming in.

If i do it and results remain positive then how long before i cut off security of dole ?

The King of Moo

It'll definitely work, because you have a system. That's what makes you different from every gambler ever.

Go for it!!

Samich

Pay them with the virtual money you've just won from your maths

jayteecork

How do I forward you payment for subscription to this foolproof system of yours?

The King of Moo

You know it's a good system, because it has maths.

Samich

Also why not just try it with €1 and see do you still get the same % profit.

frag420

wait im confused....................you are going to gamble maths??

Your system is flawed!!

davet82

Rainman?

rgmmg

If you can't afford to lose the money then don't gamble it.

Tombi!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E-3phMzrAfw

looper333

Ok i expected as much in terms of replies but first of all i would not give away this equation to anybody for any price so forget about that. I also realise systems don't usually work as i have studies many. This though is working in paper trail and you got to admit them results and trend is promising to say the least.

phasers

huh?

The King of Moo

looper333 wrote: »

Ok i expected as much in terms of replies but first of all i would not give away this equation to anybody for any price so forget about that. I also realise systems don't usually work as i have studies many. This though is working in paper trail and you got to admit them results and trend is promising to say the least.

What does this mean?

davet82

The King of Moo wrote: »

What does this mean?

Means dont give up your day job

looper333

The King of Moo wrote: »

What does this mean?

Paper trail means all the laws of equation are used but only with virtual money rather than real money.

chops018

So let me get this straight:

1. Set up a betting system.
2. ????
3. Profit.

Sounds great!

Antisocialiser

There's no chance your flatmate is The_Dazzler?

Boombastic

looper333 wrote: »

I currently owe 250 in rent and 230 on ESB and i currently have 350 euros to my name after a nice win on a 15 euros accumulator.

Do i pay my bills or start playing for real with my current bank at 5 euros per unit until i increase bank. I won't get thrown out of apartment just yet but i am getting letters threatening eviction if not paid. It would take a few months to evict me legally and i am sure i could get away with esb for 4 months at least. It could take months before i get 300 odd bank again to start with as times are very hard and there just is no jobs although i admit i would not take a low paying job working with people who can hardly count. I have had very well paid jobs of over 2k a week before but not for a number of years.

Do i just go for this like a true Irishman or be a wimp and just pay bills and keep paper trailing for a few months until i can maybe get up a big enough bank to start. Saving small amounts of money a week is impossible unless i have a lot coming in.

If i do it and results remain positive then how long before i cut off security of dole ?

Bills:rolleyes:


Go for the system OP, what's the worst than can happen? It seems rock solid

The King of Moo

looper333 wrote: »

Paper trail means all the laws of equation are used but only with virtual money rather than real money.

Ah ok. Like "on paper."

Definitely go for it so.

telekon

Weren't you complaining earlier about getting off your ass to collect your dole?

You do know you could have walked to the Post Office and back by now in the time that it took to write that post, don't you?

MaxSteele

OP you're as mad as a bag of cats.

IncognitoMan

rgmmg wrote: »

If you can't afford to lose the money then don't gamble it.

This. Never rely on gambling winnings to make bills. Start the system with what ever spare cash you have. If its such a good system you will have money in no time to gamble

Fupping Grasshole

I would like purchase your gambling system for the sum of 100 billion dollars.

A former colleague of mine is into the horses and told me once that overall he would expect to win back 80% of the money he gambled.

He didn't like my suggestion of saving the hassle of going to the bookies by just handing me 20% of any money he was going to bet and leaving it at that.

looper333

Fupping Grasshole wrote: »

I would like purchase your gambling system for the sum of 100 billion dollars.

Haha

Seriously though people all joking aside, taking them results so far and a knowledge of mathematical trends etc it would suggest this is worth going for. Everything in life can be described as a gamble of sorts but people do make livings. The entire bank system was people gambling on sure thinsg although once every few decades it goes belly up. I would be happy if this worked for 20 years and then went belly up in one year.

swimming in a sea

good luck to you pal, I can understand other peoples scepticism but no excuse for mocking.
I once thought I had a football system when I was a college student 10 years ago, oh it was a great night, I went to bed dreaming of all the money and things I was going to buy. but by the morning light i realised my maths were not quiet right:(

so here I am writing this from my work desk, wondering of what might have been.
Never stop believing mate!!!!!!!!!!!


Nathaniel in the King George on Saturday is a LOCK;)

AnonoBoy

I await tales of your heroic success to appear in the national papers with great anticipation.

There is NO F*CKING WAY this can possibly go badly for you.

:pac:

Grimebox

looper333 wrote: »

math equations

...

horse racing

I'm out

Wacker The Attacker

Horses arent mathematicians.

Therefore youre system is f*cked

Micky Dolenz

Best of luck with it.

I know two very successful pro gamblers, so successful in fact, they used to find it hard for a book marker to accept their bets.

Grimebox

I did my own quick maths equation there and I've calculated that you have wasted 624 hours coming up with this

looper333

swimming in a sea wrote: »

good luck to you pal, I can understand other peoples scepticism but no excuse for mocking.
I once thought I had a football system when I was a college student 10 years ago, oh it was a great night, I went to bed dreaming of all the money and things I was going to buy. but by the morning light i realised my maths were not quiet right:(

so here I am writing this from my work desk, wondering of what might have been.
Never stop believing mate!!!!!!!!!!!


Nathaniel in the King George on Saturday is a LOCK;)

Did your football system bring results over 18 weeks like these ones stated ? I realise people will mock and don't believe something in life could be so easy but this wasn't but i have studies for years and i have tweaked hundreds of details. There are many intelligent people out there who just don't get maths, it comes naturally to other people by chance.

Why would it hit newspapers ? lots of people make fortunes without recognition. Why attract thieves...

Ficheall

When was the final 'tweak' you mentioned made? At Week 0 or were some of the tweaks made during the trial period?

looper333 wrote: »

All results are equal to one unit equaling 10 euros so if i double the unit then you can double results outcome per week.

What is this 'units' bollocks of which you speak?
How much money did you put down in week 1, for example, to get your return of 145 euros?

The sequence you give exhibits a worrying downward trend.

looper333 wrote: »

If i do it and results remain positive then how long before i cut off security of dole ?

I don't think you need to worry overmuch about that.

If you gave some proper numbers instead of trying to make it sound convoluted, we could test whether the alleged profit has any statistical significance.

JustAddWater

Grimebox wrote: »

I did my own quick maths equation there and I've calculated that you have wasted 624 hours coming up with this

I did my own quick maths equation there and I've calculated that I have wasted .624 hours reading this thread

Ficheall

JustAddWater wrote: »

I did my own quick maths equation there and I've calculated that I have wasted .624 hours reading this thread

Not sure if poor mathematician or time-travelling illiterate.
fry.jpg

looper333

JustAddWater wrote: »

I did my own quick maths equation there and I've calculated that I have wasted .624 hours reading this thread

Ah how they mock... i will update my weekly progress. I have decided to ignore eviction warnings and start real play at 5 euros per unit so that would bring half the stated results. Hopefully i hit a good week to start on and can up my unit to 10 euros in line with virtual results. FAINT HEART NEVER WON FAIR LADY

I am pie

looper333 wrote: »

Ah how they mock... i will update my weekly progress. I have decided to ignore eviction warnings and start real play at 5 euros per unit so that would bring half the stated results. Hopefully i hit a good week to start on and can up my unit to 10 euros in line with virtual results. FAINT HEART NEVER WON FAIR LADY

Keep us posted. And remember, when you're out on your ear, sleeping rough and eating out of bins, the 'worked on paper' test doesn't lie..ever. You'll hit streak and the good times will be back again.

PizzamanIRL

Your username is fitting.

RayCon

looper333 wrote: »

Ah how they mock... Hopefully i hit a good week to start on and can up my unit to 10 euros in line with virtual results.

Not exactly what I'd call confident wording ...

Lon.C

I hope this works for you pal, I really do. But if you intend on logging your results here, it will mean feck all without proof. Sure I could be logging all sorts of numbers and proclaiming myself the next JP McManus.
Good luck!

Grimebox

From what I have read, you are a bad gambler. You are willing to gamble money you cannot afford and are flirting with the risk of ruin at every turn. Your sample size is too small to warrant trustworthy statistics. On top of that you seem to have tweaked your system over time meaning most of your results are meaningless. Given that, why should I put any confidence in your system? Why don't you share it with us so we can give some constructive criticism?

If your lucky you will go broke soon so you have no choice but to give up. Please don't listen to the likes of "Never stop believing mate!!!!!!!!!!!". This is encouraging delusional thinking. You are right that situations of arbitrage can occur and maybe you have found one but if your system can't stand up to scrutiny you are wasting your time.

looper333

Ficheall wrote: »

When was the final 'tweak' you mentioned made? At Week 0 or were some of the tweaks made during the trial period?


What is this 'units' bollocks of which you speak?
How much money did you put down in week 1, for example, to get your return of 145 euros?

The sequence you give exhibits a worrying downward trend.

I don't think you need to worry overmuch about that.

If you gave some proper numbers instead of trying to make it sound convoluted, we could test whether the alleged profit has any statistical significance.

Fair enough questions... It took me a couple of years and a lot of frustration before i started week 1 after i felt confident it was worth studying. This particular one is the evolution of all the mistakes. I have made maybe 5 or 6 important tweaks since starting week 1 with many coming in the first few weeks. The results are all inclusive of tweaks but nothing so major to completely change the equation. They simply upgraded it to avoid certain aspects.

The units is just simply to guide you on results. The equation determines how many units are placed and on what. There is never any big one off risk in any circumstance. You would need 50 units at least as a bank to start so if 10 euros was one unit as in results stated then you would need 500 bank to start.

As far as giving proper numbers i have daily figures in detail but i can hardly give you them. I agree it is hard for you to judge but you do say it is a worrying downward curve... last 2 weeks it has been so i am eager to see how and if it recovers but can it not be given some credit for overall weekly profits ? It is more up and down as a graph all the way through. 40 euros or 4 units profit per day as it stands.

Grimebox

looper333 wrote: »

As far as giving proper numbers i have daily figures in detail but i can hardly give you them.

Why not?

looper333

Grimebox wrote: »

From what I have read, you are a bad gambler. You are willing to gamble money you cannot afford and are flirting with the risk of ruin at every turn. Your sample size is too small to warrant trustworthy statistics. On top of that you seem to have tweaked your system over time meaning most of your results are meaningless. Given that, why should I put any confidence in your system? Why don't you share it with us so we can give some constructive criticism?

If your lucky you will go broke soon so you have no choice but to give up. Please don't listen to the likes of "Never stop believing mate!!!!!!!!!!!". This is encouraging delusional thinking. You are right that situations of arbitrage can occur and maybe you have found one but if your system can't stand up to scrutiny you are wasting your time.

I tend to agree sample size is too small for trustworthy statistics but the longer it goes on the more confident i become in it. As far as the tweaks are concerned i have thought long and hard whether they deem results meaningless but although i can not convince you without actual details, i am confident they do not deem stats meaningless as the tweaks are still in line with the overall equation. In some case they actually cut profits for the week rather than increase, they even themselves out a little but were designed to save time. The overall profits without the tweaks would still be very similar overall but time was saved. Theses tweaks still need a lot more weeks of study but real play could still be established without too much pain involved. Very valid points though but did you really have to end it with such negativity.

risteard7

Gambling is for fools. the bookies will allways win and on
the rare occasion you do win your only geeting back a fraction of what you lost
the previous weeks. even in the reccession i would say bookies do better
with all the dole money they get off fellas every week.

ever notice there is three or four windows to place bets in a shop and 1
window to pay out? paddy powers turnover every year is huge

Ficheall

looper333 wrote: »

I have made maybe 5 or 6 important tweaks since starting week 1 with many coming in the first few weeks.

I wouldn't trust anything made before the final tweak then, otherwise it's biased.

looper333 wrote: »

The units is just simply to guide you on results. The equation determines how many units are placed and on what. There is never any big one off risk in any circumstance. You would need 50 units at least as a bank to start so if 10 euros was one unit as in results stated then you would need 500 bank to start.

Mentioning units only serves to confuse the issue. Just speak in euros.

looper333 wrote: »

As far as giving proper numbers i have daily figures in detail but i can hardly give you them. I agree it is hard for you to judge but you do say it is a worrying downward curve... last 2 weeks it has been so i am eager to see how and if it recovers but can it not be given some credit for overall weekly profits ? It is more up and down as a graph all the way through. 40 euros or 4 units profit per day as it stands.

I didn't mean the daily figures - I meant something along the lines of
Week 1: Gambled x Gross return y Net (x-y)
Week 2: Gambled x Gross return y Net (x-y)
etc.
All you've given is a sequence of numbers which don't really tell us anything...

looper333

Grimebox wrote: »

Why not?

I can certainly give a few sample weeks of daily figures in terms of days profits, i can give you the worst period and best periods. Would that help anymore. I understand you can not get a full flavor because you don't know what the equations are but i was looking for some views on figures i give.

Zab

looper333 wrote: »

I realise people will mock and don't believe something in life could be so easy but this wasn't but i have studies for years and i have tweaked hundreds of details. There are many intelligent people out there who just don't get maths, it comes naturally to other people by chance.

Wagers have true odds, the actual probability of the event happening ( like 50% when flipping a coin ), and the odds that the bookie is offering you ( let's say the bookie offers 1.9 on the coin flip, which implies that it'd happen about 53% of the time ). Such a bet is said to have a negative expected value (or -EV), meaning that on average it returns less than you're wagering on it. If a bookie was offering 2.1 on the same coin flip then it would have a positive expected value (+EV). A bookmaker generally attempts to make all of the wagers they offer be -EV for the punter.

If your "system" is attempting to combine various -EV wagers in such a way that you end up making money anyway then it will ultimately fail. There is no way around this, it's just simple maths (actually, something external to the equation could change it, such as a bookmaker's bonus).

If your "system" is attempting to select wagers that are actually +EV then it has some possibility of success (at least mathematically). However, note that in this case you're essentially outsmarting the bookie or taking advantage of a mistake in their formula. The bookie is in the business of making money and if they notice this they will take action to stop it, either by limiting your account or fixing their formula.

All that said, the most likely situation here is that you're a bit mad and have concocted yet another system of nonsense to add to all the other gambling systems out there.

looper333

Ficheall wrote: »

I wouldn't trust anything made before the final tweak then, otherwise it's biased.


Mentioning units only serves to confuse the issue. Just speak in euros.


I didn't mean the daily figures - I meant something along the lines of
Week 1: Gambled x Gross return y Net (x-y)
Week 2: Gambled x Gross return y Net (x-y)
etc.
All you've given is a sequence of numbers which don't really tell us anything...

ok fair enough i will post up a couple of weeks results in that form in a few hours.

Logical_Bear

Why not post the OP in the gambling forum?

Personaly I think you're talking through your hoop

looper333

Zab wrote: »

Wagers have true odds, the actual probability of the event happening ( like 50% when flipping a coin ), and the odds that the bookie is offering you ( let's say the bookie offers 1.9 on the coin flip, which implies that it'd happen about 53% of the time ). Such a bet is said to have a negative expected value (or -EV), meaning that on average it returns less than you're wagering on it. If a bookie was offering 2.1 on the same coin flip then it would have a positive expected value (+EV). A bookmaker generally attempts to make all of the wagers they offer be -EV for the punter.

If your "system" is attempting to combine various -EV wagers in such a way that you end up making money anyway then it will ultimately fail. There is no way around this, it's just simple maths (actually, something external to the equation could change it, such as a bookmaker's bonus).

If your "system" is attempting to select wagers that are actually +EV then it has some possibility of success (at least mathematically). However, note that in this case you're essentially outsmarting the bookie or taking advantage of a mistake in their formula. The bookie is in the business of making money and if they notice this they will take action to stop it, either by limiting your account or fixing their formula.

All that said, the most likely situation here is that you're a bit mad and have concocted yet another system of nonsense to add to all the other gambling systems out there.

I do not bet with bookies ever, i only trade and so get the true price on offer. If you don't know how to do that then it is not for me to tell you. I still wouldn't describe this as a system but i guess some people would, i see it as an equation.. perhaps the same thing.