Migrant workers demand new residency scheme

Notorioux

THE Irish Migrant Rights Centre today presented over 4,000 signatures to the Department of Justice calling for a new way for undocumented workers to earn residency rights here.

The petition has urged the Government to introduce an "earned residency scheme" where undocumented migrants can apply for legal status after five years.

A spokesperson for the campaign said that there were currently 30,000 undocumented people currently living in the Ireland.

They come from a wide range of countries including Brazil, the Philippines and Pakistan.

Around 30 people, including a number of undocumented migrants, presented the petition to the minister's special advisor at the department headquarters.

There is currently no process to allow undocumented migrants, such as those still working here despite an expired visa, to gain regularisation.

- Luke Byrne

Source: http://www.independent.ie/national-news/migrant-workers-demand-new-residency-scheme-3173005.html

I just saw this on RTE yesterday I just wanna know what are your thoughts about this?

Mena

What are yours?

christmas2012

it could bring an upsurge of migrants into the country,while our own are emigrating for jobs btw

Mena

christmas2012 wrote: »

it could bring an upsurge of migrants into the country,while our own are emigrating for jobs btw

How exactly? When it's specifically dealing with people here already.

Notorioux

IMO. They're in no position to demand anything if they're here illegally

DylanII

Seriously? If you cross the US border illegally you get shot in the face. If you cross the irish border you get told that you have to wait a while before you get your free house and social welfare

christmas2012

Mena wrote: »

How exactly? When it's specifically dealing with people here already.

it would encourage them to come over thats how

Procrastastudy

The Irish complaining about illegal migrant workers - the irony is most entertaining.

pontia

sort our own problems out before looking after other countries,we have enough here we cant get rid of already

Zambia

From the Figures 26000 Migrants dont care for the Scheme.

Majority wins

Super Poppa Smurf

As a migrant who has always followed the rule of the law, I do not think these folks should get amnesty. It is not right for folks like me who stand in lines with proper documentation and letters of reference over the years to rightly seek the right to stay within the state by legal means. It would be slap on the cheek for nurses, doctors, IT professionals, accountants, etc who all reside in the state as legal migrants. We have done things by the book, contributed to the economy, paid our taxes, and when the time is right as set by Irish law will become naturalized Irish citizens. There has to be a rule of law or this nation will change and we will not know what hit us. I would not be able to do my job without proper documentation so how do these folks still have jobs (when we have such high employment!!!). All I ask is that the legal migrants do not forgotten for their contribution to the state and be recognized for following the rule of the law.

IrishAm

The majority of these people work in menial jobs, if they were skilled, they could of availed of a work permit during the boom years.

Lots of permits bandied about then.

So, if they were regularised, wouldnt they then lose their main reason for being employed, i.e not being protected by labour laws(8.65 an hour, paid leave etc)?

I suspect they would be dropped by their employers like a hot potato and the state would have to look after them.

Anyway, yes they should be deported. Just like the illegals in America before some flute brings up that argument.

IrishAm

GCDLawstudent wrote: »

The Irish complaining about illegal migrant workers - the irony is most entertaining.

Why?

Are you referring to the illegal Irish in America? The Irish make up just 0.25% of the total of illegal immigrants in America(30,000). Most come from northern border countries and county Galway(Irish American conference 2010). There are twice as many illegal Canadians(65,000 as per wiki) as illegal Irish.

America has a population of 300,000,000 plus, is a continent sized nation with resources to boot. Ireland is a bankrupt rock on the west of Europe.

You are really comparing like with like there, pal.

IrishAm

DylanII wrote: »

If you cross the US border illegally you get shot in the face. If you cross the irish border you get told that you have to wait a while before you get your free house and social welfare

Cross the Canadian border off the beaten track and into Maine. Not a soul to be seen. More chance of getting attacked by a moose than getting shot.

MadsL

IrishAm wrote: »

Why?

Are you referring to the illegal Irish in America? The Irish make up just 0.25% of the total of illegal immigrants in America(30,000).

A greater percentage of the population of the entire country (Ireland) is in the US illegally.

Most come from northern border countries and county Galway(Irish American conference 2010).

So what?

There are twice as many illegal Canadians(65,000 as per wiki) as illegal Irish.

So Irish are illegal present in almost half the quantities of citizens of a country that shares a massive unpatrolled (mainly) shared land border.

America has a population of 300,000,000 plus, is a continent sized nation with resources to boot.

With a 8.2% unemployment rate and no generous regime of welfare payments.

Ireland is a bankrupt rock on the west of Europe.

Ah well then - all come over!

You are really comparing like with like there, pal.

Irish are 'different' are they?

Procrastastudy

IrishAm wrote: »

Why?

Are you referring to the illegal Irish in America? The Irish make up just 0.25% of the total of illegal immigrants in America(30,000). Most come from northern border countries and county Galway(Irish American conference 2010). There are twice as many illegal Canadians(65,000 as per wiki) as illegal Irish.

America has a population of 300,000,000 plus, is a continent sized nation with resources to boot. Ireland is a bankrupt rock on the west of Europe.

You are really comparing like with like there, pal.

Are you suggesting that illegal immigration drains our Germany's resources?

Notorioux wrote: »

IMO. They're in no position to demand anything if they're here illegally

They've have, at least some, constitutional rights according to Laurentiu.

My only concern is why they have to have such bloody difficult names to spell! Laurentiu, Leontjajv... cant we just call them Bob.

Sorry I'm being flippant and not contributing to the question posed by the OP. Illegal immigration is a fact of life. As it stands they are here working, probably being exploited but more importantly not paying taxes. If they've been here for a certain amount fo time, working and not been caught there should be a mechanism for making them at least 'documented'.

IrishAm

GCDLawstudent wrote: »

Are you suggesting that illegal immigration drains our Germany's resources?

Yes. We have enough non EU unskilled immigrants, thank you very much. Illegals are criminals. The state should treat them as such.

Procrastastudy

IrishAm wrote: »

Yes. We have enough non EU unskilled immigrants, thank you very much. Illegals are criminals. The state should treat them as such.

Lock um up in the Joy at the cost of €100,000 a year!! :eek:

IrishAm

MadsL wrote: »

Irish are 'different' are they?

No. Treat them however you deem fit. They are trespassers. Jail them, deport them, shoot them, I don't really care.

IrishAm

GCDLawstudent wrote: »

Lock um up in the Joy at the cost of €100,000 a year!! :eek:

Just get rid and have them blacklisted from ever stepping foot on EU soil again.

Procrastastudy

IrishAm wrote: »

Just get rid and have them blacklisted from ever stepping foot on EU soil again.

Given that they managed to avoid detection... never mind I don't think we'll agree on this one.

golden lane

IrishAm wrote: »

No. Treat them however you deem fit. They are trespassers. Jail them, deport them, shoot them, I don't really care.

you are right.....but the system unfairly puts the burden of care on you......

and you have not been asked if you want it.......

IrishAm

GCDLawstudent wrote: »

Given that they managed to avoid detection... never mind I don't think we'll agree on this one.

Indeed. Some have managed to avoid detection even though they are named in the article(giving their location) the OP linked to. Doesnt require James Bond to track them down, pal.

If the government offered a few quid for tip offs, Id have a dozen caught myself.

Procrastastudy

IrishAm wrote: »

Indeed. Some have managed to avoid detection even though they are named in the article the OP linked to. Doesnt require James Bond to track them down, pal.

If the government offered a few quid for tip offs, Id have a dozen caught myself.

Surely the lower taxes would be reward enough.

IrishAm

GCDLawstudent wrote: »

Surely the lower taxes would be reward enough.

The Immigration quango of Ireland suggest that there are 30,000 illegals. Probably much higher, but I digress. These people do not qualify for permits as they are unskilled. That's 30,000 EU/Irish citizens off the dole.

A nice chunk of change saved by the state.

Sweet as.

mikemac1

Avoid detection?

Seems the GNIB have never been to Gort

IrishAm

Uncle Chucks funding shall cease in 2016. So shall the Immigration Quango of Ireland.

Great news.

IrishAm

mikemac1 wrote: »

Avoid detection?

Seems the GNIB have never been to Gort

Yer man presumes these lads are like Snake from Metal Gear Solid. Travelling around, using stealth avoiding the GNIB, who are always on the prowl ready to pounce.

Procrastastudy

Of that 30,000 how many are doing actual bone fide jobs? I suspect many of them are working in take aways and cleaning firms that wouldn't be employing people if they weren't employing illegal migrant workers because the businesses wouldn't be there.

By making them legal at least they would be paying taxes. But your way could work too. It would mean a €20 for a kebab though. Still don't understand why you're not out there lowering taxes!

On the dole - do you think there are 30,000 that would take the jobs if they were available or do you think it'd be like the boom times again where doing certain jobs was below many Irish people. Its not as if there aren't jobs out there for the taking now.

golden lane

GCDLawstudent wrote: »

Of that 30,000 how many are doing actual bone fide jobs? I suspect many of them are working in take aways and cleaning firms that wouldn't be employing people if they weren't employing illegal migrant workers because the businesses wouldn't be there.

By making them legal at least they would be paying taxes. But your way could work too. It would mean a €20 for a kebab though. Still don't understand why you're not out there lowering taxes!

On the dole - do you think there are 30,000 that would take the jobs if they were available or do you think it'd be like the boom times again where doing certain jobs was below many Irish people. Its not as if there aren't jobs out there for the taking now.

that is is worst excuse i have ever read...........yes, you did write it....

IrishAm

GCDLawstudent wrote: »

Of that 30,000 how many are doing actual bone fide jobs? I suspect many of them are working in take aways and cleaning firms that wouldn't be employing people if they weren't employing illegal migrant workers because the businesses wouldn't be there.

By making them legal at least they would be paying taxes. But your way could work too. It would mean a €20 for a kebab though. Still don't understand why you're not out there lowering taxes!

On the dole - do you think there are 30,000 that would take the jobs if they were available or do you think it'd be like the boom times again where doing certain jobs was below many Irish people. Its not as if there aren't jobs out there for the taking now.

There are many people who would love to earn 8.65 euro an hour making kebabs.

Listening to you spoof on,I wonder, how did europeans ever survive throughout history without the aid of non europeans ?

Europe and indeed Ireland, is suffering an unprecedented unemployment crisis. Deport all illegals, rip up the Geneva convention, clamp down like a tonne of bricks on sham marriages and only allow highly skilled non EU citizens settle within the EU.

Unemployment crisis partly solved.

Notorioux

GCDLawstudent wrote: »

Of that 30,000 how many are doing actual bone fide jobs? I suspect many of them are working in take aways and cleaning firms that wouldn't be employing people if they weren't employing illegal migrant workers because the businesses wouldn't be there.

By making them legal at least they would be paying taxes. But your way could work too. It would mean a €20 for a kebab though. Still don't understand why you're not out there lowering taxes!

On the dole - do you think there are 30,000 that would take the jobs if they were available or do you think it'd be like the boom times again where doing certain jobs was below many Irish people. Its not as if there aren't jobs out there for the taking now.

What are you smokeing or sniffing? Get real. they will be straight down to the dole office, as soon as they get their passport.

Procrastastudy

Notorioux wrote: »

What are you smokeing or sniffing? Get real. they will be straight down to the dole office, as soon as they get their passport.

Oh grand - as long as you have an open mind, want a genuine discussion and weren't just posting to be inflammatory.

Its awful that someone shouldn't be self sustaining - not drain anymore from the larger group.

Let's give back all that money we've got from the EU! Show them we have the moral high ground!

IrishAm

Yesterday, he was waffling on about his Ghanaian friend wanting to become Ireland first black judge. I suspect he is as European as I am Ghanaian.

Back on topic.

How did the US's amnesty of illegals work out in the mid 80s?

Spain has had five or six, hows that working out?

Illegal immigration completely kerbed?:pac:

IrishAm

GCDLawstudent wrote: »

Oh grand - as long as you have an open mind, want a genuine discussion and weren't just posting to be inflammatory.

If I rob your gaff, avoid detection for seven years, then admit to it, would you press charges?

After all, you were suggesting we award those who avoided detection.

Gotta remain consistent, bud.

Procrastastudy

LOL - I'm English and have actually left my little hamlet in da country.

Please continue this is more entertaining than I thought.

Incidentally that Ghanian friend is willing to sink €30,000 into this country just in fees for education alone - not to mention learn its laws an embrace it's culture.

Funnily enough shes probably one of the most right wing people I know. Thinks being gay is a disease. You'd probably get on.

IrishAm

GCDLawstudent wrote: »

Let's give back all that money we've got from the EU! Show them we have the moral high ground!

If you think any of the 30,000 aforementioned illegals are from EU member states, I suggest you quit your course and apply for one of them kebab making jobs.

EU citizens in Ireland are not illegal immigrants.

Procrastastudy

IrishAm wrote: »

If you think any of the 30,000 aforementioned illegals are from EU member states, I suggest you quit your course and apply for one of them kebab making jobs.

EU citizens in Ireland are not illegal immigrants.

Would probably pay more tbh. Your problem seems to be someone living off someone else though. Aren't we doing that as a state?

IrishAm

GCDLawstudent wrote: »

Funnily enough shes probably one of the most right wing people I know. Thinks being gay is a disease. You'd probably get on.

I am very left wing. Wanting unskilled non europeans to remain non europeans does not make one right wing.

Thanks for tarring me with the homophobic brush.

Good lad.

Procrastastudy

IrishAm wrote: »

I am very left wing. Wanting unskilled non europeans to remain non europeans does not make one right wing.

Thanks for tarring me with the homophobic brush.

Good lad.

To be fair you have me there. I'd try and make another point but I'd say you've probably posted again by now.

IrishAm

GCDLawstudent wrote: »

To be fair you have me there. I'd try and make another point but I'd say you've probably posted again by now.

I have you? Its only a chat on the interwebs, not the world counsel.

Anyway, our current MoJ is very supportive of chancers. He was one of Scammy Pammys biggest supporters and called for her to be issued with leave to remain.

I think people with your view on this issue will be the ones happiest when this eventually plays out.

Chances of any of the 30,000 being deported. Very slim.

Chances of them eventually being given leave to remain and then, ultimately, citizenship. Very high.

Procrastastudy

world counsel - thats the job I want!!

Galwayguy35

GCDLawstudent wrote: »

The Irish complaining about illegal migrant workers - the irony is most entertaining.

It's our country we have every right to comment on illegal immegration.

Procrastastudy

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

It's our country we have every right to comment on illegal immegration.

Yes please do! I have the right to find it most entertaining.

@IrishAM - would you not support the contention that some states in the US rely on their illegal immigration as necessary to their economy?

IrishAm

The journal.ie did a piece on the candle light march held by illegals in Dublin last winter.

Apparently, the illegals are frightened and living in the shadows. So frightened, that they gave interviews disclosing their name and occupation to whatever flute from the Journal whom wrote the piece.

Give Paddy a good sob story about just wanting a better life(doesn't everyone?), mention the famine, the illegals in America and all that bollix and eventually he will give in.

Procrastastudy

IrishAm wrote: »

Give Paddy a good sob story about just wanting a better life(doesn't everyone?), mention the famine, the illegals in America and all that bollix and eventually he will give in.

Always found that was one of the greatest strengths of the Irish to be honest.

Simple solution would be to stop any form of social welfare payment surely? To anyone.

IrishAm

GCDLawstudent wrote: »

Yes please do! I have the right to find it most entertaining.

@IrishAM - would you not support the contention that some states in the US rely on their illegal immigration as necessary to their economy?

Having lived in America - no.

Employers in America are crying the poor mouth whilst paying illegal workers the square root of fook all. America has millions of unskilled citizens. The type that undertook the menial jobs up until relatively recently.

Anyway, America is not my concern and really has nothing to do with the topic in question.

Procrastastudy

You brought it up!

IrishAm

GCDLawstudent wrote: »

Always found that was one of the greatest strengths of the Irish to be honest.

What, to be suckers?

They went mad over a 100 euro household charge, all the while, 500 big ones was being siphoned out of every household in the form of "foreign aid".

Procrastastudy

If you want to continue this argument, which I'm finding most enjoyable, PM me I've just realised we're on page two and its just you and me back and forthing here.

pontia

what part of were bankrupt do you tools not understand ? fair enough if theres a very skilled job nobody here can do oversea people can be considered,low wage unskilled,forget it,follow australia,stop the pc bull****,its over