UK judge forces Apple to state on its site that Samsung didn't copy the iPad

PogMoThoin

Apple is being forced by a British judge to tacitly state that Samsung didn't copy its iPad design. According to Bloomberg, Judge Colin Birss said that Apple has to post a notice both on its website and several British newspapers and magazines, to help correct the "damaging impression the South Korea-based company was copying Apple's product." The online part will reportedly stay there for six months. Apple lost its case against Samsung in the UK earlier this month, with the same judge awkwardly branding the 10-inch Android tablet "not as cool" as the iPad.

http://www.engadget.com/2012/07/18/uk-judge-forces-apple-samsung-tablet-not-ipad-copy/

Delighted by this, I'm sick to fúck of Apple patent trolling.

Pushtrak

Tacitly? Tacitly is where something is implied, but not stated. This is asking for something to be stated on the site. Article fail.

ejmaztec

They should have a financial health warning on them as well: "This product is vastly over-priced and could seriously damage your wealth".

efb

anti apple thread yawn...

PogMoThoin

efb wrote: »

anti apple thread yawn...

Nope, anti patent trolling thread.

efb

PogMoThoin wrote: »

Nope, anti patent trolling thread.

yes, the posts seem to reinforce this... tacitly, of course...

PogMoThoin

Imagine what the world would be like if Henry Ford sued the shít out of anyone who put an engine in a carriage, this is how stupid this is.

Wibbs

To be somewhat fair to Apple(and they can be and are right cnuts at times, actually a lot of the time and getting worse) there are a lot of suspiciously iphone/ipad near clones out there. I suppose they're still fuming because the lost the original desktop GUI "war", a GUI they went a helluva way in coming up with*.

I also find it interesting that those who whine about how apple are shíte when they come up with something, then get real hardons when other companies follow/copy them. Ever see an original pre iphone Android mockup? It looks like a Blackberry and acted like one too, cos that's where they thought the market was. Hell I recall many anti apple types laughing at the iphone at first. Funny how things change eh? Now if a dyed in the wool iphone user was given the average Android phone they'd have few problems picking it up. However if they were given a phone with the newer MicroSoft phone OS there would be a learning curve, because to give credit to MS they actually made an effort(good one IMHO) and re imagined the phone GUI.








*before someone starts wittering on about them nicking the idea from Xerox, read more. No really. Then download a X parc GUI emulator, then do the same with the first apple GUI, then compare and contrast. Apple came up with among other things we take for granted today like double clicking icons, dragging, dropdown menus, a menubar, and a trash/recycle folder/can and had already written most of the code before they went to Palo Alto. Plus they paid to licence the ideas.

At the time Bill Gates was concerned that Apple would sue over the Windows they were coming up with because of how closely it followed the Mac. Why do we (thankfully)have windows today? The guy runnung apple at the time John Sculley(Beige biz school type), signed an agreement to allow Microsoft to use Mac OS concepts. Gobshíte, but good for the rest of us.

Never mind other innovations. If you're using a laptop, take a look at it. Keyboard at top with palmrests below? That was apple. Trackpad? Guess who. USB, first wireless laptop, first CD/CD writer built in the list is very long. They made multimedia and plug and play a reality when the rest of the PC world was still looking at command lines, hoping for the best.

Shryke

Apple brought a competitor to court over having a Slide to Unlock bar. That's how ridiculous Apple are being with this global bombardment of litigation.

RUCKING FETARD

HANDS people who knew this Thread was moved from AH from post 3....

PogMoThoin

The BBC running the story now

A UK judge has ordered Apple to publish announcements that Samsung did not copy the design of its iPad, according to the Bloomberg news agency.

It said the judge said one notice should remain on Apple's website for at least six months, while other adverts should be placed in various newspapers and magazines.

http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-18895384

RUCKING FETARD

Apple’s lawyers sharpen their knives: Nexus 7 has hidden Smart Cover feature [video]


Patent war talks to be hosted by UN agency to protect innovation

Wibbs

Wibbs wrote: »

Never mind other innovations. If you're using a laptop, take a look at it. Keyboard at top with palmrests below? That was apple. Trackpad? Guess who. USB, first wireless laptop, first CD/CD writer built in the list is very long. They made multimedia and plug and play a reality when the rest of the PC world was still looking at command lines, hoping for the best.

Toshiba released the first laptop with a CD-ROM drive, approx a year before Apple.

Apple were definitely not the first computer with USB ports. Most major manufacturers had computers with USB ports, again about a year before Apple.

Odaise Gaelach

Deleted User wrote: »

Toshiba released the first laptop with a CD-ROM drive, approx a year before Apple.

Apple were definitely not the first computer with USB ports. Most major manufacturers had computers with USB ports, again about a year before Apple.

Didn't Apple have Firewire instead?

PrzemoF

Wibbs wrote: »

To be somewhat fair to Apple(and they can be and are right cnuts at times, actually a lot of the time and getting worse) there are a lot of suspiciously iphone/ipad near clones out there.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LG_Prada
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPhone

Hint: compare the dates

RUCKING FETARD

Mac OS is unix based aswell. Tell ya that themselves.


http://support.apple.com/kb/TA25634

yoyo

The whole Apple patent thing does amuse me. Android was in development around the same time as ios, its quite obvious a touchscreen with icons would be the choice for a smartphone (after all my ancient Palm Pilot had a dashboard/launcher with similar icons...). I was reading recently Apple won't allow developers make a web browser for ios (Google Chrome for Ios is merely a skin on top of Safari), and any browser must use the Safari rendering engine, as well as Safari remains the default browser (can't be changed).
Microsoft has been brought to EU courts and sued because they included Internet Explorer with their OS, seemingly Apple are never anti competitive... I'm delighted to hear this and hopefully it will make Apple think twice about more stupid lawsuits. Patenting the "Slide to Unlock" feature that some swedish manufacturer used on a touch phone years ago...

Nick

PrzemoF

yoyo wrote: »

The whole Apple patent thing does amuse me.

Me too, except that WE are paying for it. Lawyers are not earning peanuts and there is also m$ tax on quite a few android devices. :mad:

witnessmenow

RUCKING FETARD wrote: »

Apple’s lawyers sharpen their knives: Nexus 7 has hidden Smart Cover feature [video]


Patent war talks to be hosted by UN agency to protect innovation

In the video you've linked to, the nintendo DS did that first. When you closed over the lid, the magnet in the speaker triggered a sensor to turn off the screen ... nintendo to sue apple ?

Janedoe10

I think these 2 links some up this thread.

http://www.expertreviews.co.uk/gadgets/1286638/top-ten-things-people-think-apple-invented-but-actually-didn-t/2


http://www.loopinsight.com/2012/01/09/apple-didnt-invent-______-but-apple-made-it-better/

yoyo

witnessmenow wrote: »

In the video you've linked to, the nintendo DS did that first. When you closed over the lid, the magnet in the speaker triggered a sensor to turn off the screen ... nintendo to sue apple ?

The Dell XPS M1530 also uses a magnet to detect if the lid is open or closed. Next to the webcam in the screen is a small magnet, when the lid is closed this magnet hits off a spot on the palm rest which triggers the mode, and the XPS was out well before the iPad :rolleyes:

Nick

Overheal

yoyo wrote: »

The whole Apple patent thing does amuse me. Android was in development around the same time as ios, its quite obvious a touchscreen with icons would be the choice for a smartphone (after all my ancient Palm Pilot had a dashboard/launcher with similar icons...). I was reading recently Apple won't allow developers make a web browser for ios (Google Chrome for Ios is merely a skin on top of Safari), and any browser must use the Safari rendering engine, as well as Safari remains the default browser (can't be changed).
Microsoft has been brought to EU courts and sued because they included Internet Explorer with their OS, seemingly Apple are never anti competitive... I'm delighted to hear this and hopefully it will make Apple think twice about more stupid lawsuits. Patenting the "Slide to Unlock" feature that some swedish manufacturer used on a touch phone years ago...

Nick

How do you explain Photon?

PogMoThoin

Overheal wrote: »

How do you explain Photon?

"Apps that browse the Web must use the iOS WebKit framework and WebKit JavaScript," state the current version of the guidelines.

One of the top-five browser makers, Norway's Opera Software, has circumvented the rule, and had its Opera Mini approved for App Store distribution, because its software isn't really a stand-alone browser. Instead, Opera Mini is a proxy that takes URL requests, sends them to Opera's servers, where the pages are rendered and compressed before the data heads back to the device.

Opera Mini debuted on the App Store in April 2010.

Apple has not suddenly voided the WebKit requirements, as Google confirmed today. "Rendering and the JavaScript engine are provided by iOS through UIWebView, so Chrome for iOS does not use Chrome V8 JavaScript engine," a Google spokeswoman said in an email reply to questions.

From here:
http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9228636/Google_touts_release_of_Safari_ized_Chrome_for_iPhone_iPad?mm_ref=http%253A%252F%252Fwww.google.com%252Fsearch%253Fhl%253Den%2526gl%253DIE%2526ie%253DUTF-8%2526source%253Dandroid-browser%2526q%253Dios%252Ball%252Bbrowsers%252Bsafari%252Bengine

yoyo

Overheal wrote: »

How do you explain Photon?

It appears the browser streams the flash content which is probably running on another server, although I don't know how it works. The actual app doesn't seem to be rendering flash (it references to activating a button for streaming). Its probably like the OnLive gaming platform works

Nick

Snowbat

yoyo wrote: »

Microsoft has been brought to EU courts and sued because they included Internet Explorer with their OS, seemingly Apple are never anti competitive...

Apple does not have a dominant position to abuse.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Union_competition_law#Dominance_and_monopoly

If a firm has a dominant position, because it has beyond a 39.7% market share[19] then there is "a special responsibility not to allow its conduct to impair competition on the common market"[20]

Apple has been investigated before, but that was for a possible violation EU free-trade rules.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_Inc._litigation#European_antitrust_investigation

The Commission began an antitrust investigation in 2007 of Apple's business practices after the complaint was made,[18] but ultimately the Commission probe found no agreements between Apple and major record labels on how iTunes is run in Europe,[19] only that Apple had been paying higher wholesale prices to U.K. music labels and was passing the cost along to U.K. customers.[20][19]

PogMoThoin

How about refusing to give a two year warranty, expecting the customer to pay for after care.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/07/02/apple-italy-antitrust-idUSL6E8I2FRD20120702

RUCKING FETARD

RUCKING FETARD

They got a stay on having to put the notice on their site. For now. lol.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-07-26/apple-gets-stay-on-posting-notice-over-samsung-tablet.html

RUCKING FETARD

Here we go, this is the big one....

http://news.cnet.com/8301-13579_3-57482823-37/apple-samsung-trial-gets-its-jury/

RUCKING FETARD

Didn't think it would...Apple want $2.5Billion, Samsung want $455million....judge has discretion to triple any judgement if infringement took place....

http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/261234/applesamsung_patent_battle_now_in_jurys_hands.html

http://www.usatoday.com/tech/news/story/2012-08-21/apple-samsung-trial/57194440/1

Overheal

I wonder how they found an impartial jury. They'd have to find 12 people in California. In California. That have not used or are not all that initially familiar with either Apple or Samsung products. How they pulled that off, I have no clue.

RUCKING FETARD

Overheal wrote: »

I wonder how they found an impartial jury. They'd have to find 12 people in California. In California. That have not used or are not all that initially familiar with either Apple or Samsung products. How they pulled that off, I have no clue.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/connieguglielmo/2012/07/30/apple-samsung-trial-starts-with-jury-selection-still-underway/

Judge Koh, overseeing jury selection today, told 74 potential jurors that both Apple and Samsung are suing each other over patent infringement. “If you are ultimately selected as a juror, it will be an interesting case,” she said. The court set out to find 18 possible jurors (each side was then able to reject 4 to winnow the pool to 10) who can be “fair and impartial” in making a decision on the case.


That proved a little tricky, as jurors were questioned this morning about their suitability to serve. Judge Koh asked if they have or had worked at Apple, Samsung, Google or Motorola. She asked what phones and other products they owned and whether they had plans to buy new products in the near term. Judge Kohn also asked what material they had read about the trial and if they, or if any of their family, owned shares of those companies. She asked if they used Facebook and Twitter, and if they had a blog.


Many said they owned iPhones and iPads, as well as Samsung smartphones and TVs. A few said they read the best-selling biography of Steve Jobs by Walter Isaacson. The first round of potential jurors, questioned this morning, contained at least one current Apple employee, who was dismissed after saying he would like his employer to win. There was also Google interface designer Steve Okamoto, who has a patent pending related to Android (Samsung uses Android’s mobile operating system) – he wasn’t selected.



The father of a member of Apple’s legal team and the father of an economist employed by Google were also in the pool. A few said they have friends who work at Apple and Google.


The father of the Apple legal employee was dismissed after he said that he had also consulted for Apple, his brother worked at the company in its early days and that “the feeling is bred into the family that we’re an Apple kind of family.” Neither Apple nor Samsung challenged his dismissal.


Several potential jurors also said they were considering buying a new smartphone in the near future and that it would be an iPhone.


Lawyers on each side were given 20 minutes for follow up questions, asking again if those who had read anything about the trial beforehand would be able to remain fair and impartial and base their decisions solely on the evidence before them. The potential jurors all agreed they could.
There were moments of levity. Samsung lawyer Bill Price asked one juror about her comment that she is considering buying an iPad. She said she was interested in the device because she could use it while enjoying being outside in her backyard.
“Other companies sell tablets, too,” Price said, prompting some laughter from courtroom observers.
“Yes, but Apple comes up with really nice stuff.”


Jury selection was completed late in the day, with seven men and three women sworn in.

PrzemoF

Triple the bet! It's like a good texas hold'em! :eek:

My personal opinion: lawers are gambling using money made by designers/engineers and rest of the company. And even if apple/samsung has to pay for the infrigment lawyers are still making money....

Overheal

Sounds like Jury selection was a circus :P probably took them hours to ask all those questions. I was screened for jury duty back in July - only a few people stood up with exceptions to the case (eg. has anyone in your family ever been involved in a workmans comp case, worked with this lawyer firm, visited this doctor, etc) and I was still in there from 8AM to 3.

RUCKING FETARD

The worlds most valuable company (if you don't include inflation-->stick to hit Fanboys with)....................just got richer.


edit:http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10000872396390444812704577610012314155098.html?mod=googlenews_wsj

The future of the Android ecosystem is now tinged with uncertainty, with other Android hardware and software designs seen to be vulnerable to lawsuits.

"It's got to create some concern for that ecosystem," Baird analyst William Power said. "The legal risks are bound to make a manufacturer think twice."

Microsoft's software, on the other hand, uses an interface of "tiles" that's markedly different from the icon-based concepts in the iPhone and Android.

Torqay

RUCKING FETARD wrote: »

The worlds most valuable company (if you don't include inflation-->stick to hit Fanboys with)....................just got richer.

I don't think so. This will not end in some Californian court.

Meanwhile legal departments at Google and Amazon will get very busy, their tablets are next on Apple's list (as is anything else of a squared design with rounded corners and icons on the display) because they are a very annoying competition for the new iPad Mini, which is supposed to be "unveiled" in September.

Thunderbird2

Samsung have to hand over 1 billion to apple for copying features of the iPad .
Just heard it on the radio .

yoyo

Thunderbird2 wrote: »

Samsung have to hand over 1 billion to apple for copying features of the iPad .
Just heard it on the radio .

I'm fairly sure they will appeal it,

Nick

ED E

Thunderbird2 wrote: »

Samsung have to hand over 1 billion to apple for copying features of the iPad .
Just heard it on the radio .

Few hours too late there buddy.

PrzemoF

'Enrique Gutierrez25 Aug 2012 (edited) - Public
I can't make this stuff up

I'm sitting in a Starbucks doing random whatever over an iced americano. While I waiting for my drink, I watched a guy with his friend, pick up a newspaper; and start to remark on the Samsung Apple verdict.

Guy: "Wait, so what they're saying is, Samsung is the same as Apple?"'

The rest here:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/114476892281222708332/posts/246srfbqg6G

The only reason why I'm not laughing aloud is because I'm sitting in the middle of an open office space

Torqay

Gutierrez got balls... going into a Starbucks with a Samsung laptop and smartphone. He got lucky they didn't burn him at the stake for blasphemy.

RUCKING FETARD

Chinese company uses leaked photos to copy, patent iPhone 5 design

Memo to Samsung (005930): Now this is how you get away with copying Apple (AAPL)! GizChina reports that a Chinese manufacturer has used leaked photos of Apple’s next-generation iPhone to slap together a quick knockoff of the device called the Goophone I5 and release it before Apple has a chance to launch the genuine article later this month. What’s more, the company has actually patented the knockoff design in China and is poised to sue Apple if it launches the next-generation iPhone in China later this year. For any Chinese readers who are interested in buying a not-quite-iPhone, GizChina says that the Goophone will feature “a Nvidia Tegra 3 quad-core 1.4Ghz CPU, 1GB RAM, Android 4.0 ICS with an iOS 6 theme, 8 megapixel rear camera and a 4-inch screen with an impressive retina display resolution of 1280 x 720.”

lolololol


Bruce Willis Might Sue Apple Over iTunes

N64

http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/blog/2012/sep/03/no-apple-bruce-willis

The story was "broke" by the Daily Mail, so no surprises there.

RUCKING FETARD

Apple Ditches Samsung as iPhone 5 Memory, Display Supplier

Torqay

Apparently, Foxconn commandeered a few hundred slave labourers from a nearby university for their iPhone 5 assembly lines.

Link

blatantrereg

Judge rules that iPads were not new, useful, and non-obvious, but they do look cool.

PrzemoF

MOBILE PHONE FLOGGER Apple has sicced its lawyers on a Polish grocery store because its name might confuse some people.

The store is called A.pl and that's apparently enough to get Apple's lawyers involved these days.

The Inquirer (http://s.tt/1n48W)

That news really made my day!

I heard all apple orchard owners are next on the list!

RUCKING FETARD

Apple seeks additional $707 million from Samsung in patent win
"shakes head"

Big queues in Belfast for new iPhone 5

Up to 700 people queued outside the Apple store in Belfast city centre to buy the latest iPhone earlier this morning.

stupid head

Torqay wrote: »

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Never even said Ta Ra or nothing. Bye T. Good Poster, I'm watching for the re-reg.


Samsung to pay Apple another $290 million for patent infringement

The retrial comes after last year's ruling that Samsung owed Apple a grand total of $1.05 billion, however the retrial was initiated when Judge Lucy Koh determined about $450 million of that needed to be reevaluated. Since Samsung has already been ordered to pay $598 million, adding in the new figure of $290 million brings Apple's monetary awards to $888 million.


This most likely will not be the last we hear about this feud between the two tech giants. The loser today will probably file for appeal, plus another trial is set to begin in 2014 with some newer devices in question for infringement. Unless Samsung is successful with an appeal, it just lost fairly close to $1 billion. That's no easy payment to make, even with these companies often throwing around millions of dollars like it's pocket change.