looking for somebody who knows a lot about kundalini in ireland

barrymanilow

Hi there ,

I am in the middle of a bit of a kundalini crisis . It has risen up to my face and is giving me lockjaw and causing the muscles in my face to go into spasm , Im having very sudden changes in mood and energy . I am looking for a support network , forum or a holistic health practioner who has knowledge and maybe experience of spontaneous kundalini awakening who i could sit down and talk to .If anyone can point me in the right direction it would be great .

gillad

Theres not much support in ireland..The lockjaw and spasms are caused by blockages in your own energy system.The people in the energy centre will be able to help you and advise you.The guys are korean and know all about kundalini,give them a ring before you go.
http://energytemple.ie/about/pure-spirit-energy-temple-centre/private-treatments

lolo62

barrymanilow wrote: »

Hi there ,

I am in the middle of a bit of a kundalini crisis . It has risen up to my face and is giving me lockjaw and causing the muscles in my face to go into spasm , Im having very sudden changes in mood and energy . I am looking for a support network , forum or a holistic health practioner who has knowledge and maybe experience of spontaneous kundalini awakening who i could sit down and talk to .If anyone can point me in the right direction it would be great .

can i recommend a bodywork therapist...? i have been in body work for a couple of years and have come to realise that this way of working is just the western equivilant of eastern 'kundalini'...its all the same just energy

bodywork helps with developing the skills to hold it while living your day to day life so it dosnt reach the kind of crisis point that interferes with work etc, then being able to dip your toe in at will and allow the emergence to take place over a period of time

pm if you would like more info and dont worry the jaw is abit freaky but its just energy looking for a release, i dont have lock-jaw but a lot going on for me with my jaw at the moment

dkin

I've had a similar problem recently. I've been doing a lot of mantra work and there has been a weird constriction and tension around my temple and jaw the last few weeks. It's not Kundalini energy in my case (thankfully) as it doesn't have that really tingly intense feeling to it that I sometimes feel around the root chakra, it's simply an energy blockage. Mine has gotten a lot better as I've continued mantra meditation, initially I was pretty paranoid that I had a brain aneurysm or something similar. I've read that having a lot of tension in the jaw muscles is actually very common.

What sparked it off?

lolo62

dkin wrote: »

I've had a similar problem recently. I've been doing a lot of mantra work and there has been a weird constriction and tension around my temple and jaw the last few weeks. It's not Kundalini energy in my case (thankfully) as it doesn't have that really tingly intense feeling to it that I sometimes feel around the root chakra, it's simply an energy blockage. Mine has gotten a lot better as I've continued mantra meditation, initially I was pretty paranoid that I had a brain aneurysm or something similar. I've read that having a lot of tension in the jaw muscles is actually very common.

What sparked it off?

do you think the energy is there anyway or it becomes blocked as it is trying to move through?

it makes sense to me that the energy is there anyway and awareness becomes more attuned so it feels amplified..like there is a big arrow pointing you to it
but it also makes sense to me that the energy is moving from one piont to another and gets stuck along the way because the muscles contract and dont allow it...what do you think?

(btw my biggest problem in energy work is my head so feel free to ignore my question if it is too heady!)

gillad

dkin wrote: »

What sparked it off?

Trauma is often the cause of an awakening to your energy,but there has been a huge increase in the energy vibrations over the last year and its going to continue and get stronger so buckle up and enjoy the ride:)
Anger(often hidden)is usually the cause of jaw problems and should be released(best to do it alone)
When i first started to feel my own energy move i read all about "kundalini" and worried myself about how i would manage but i just let the energy flow and it took care of itself.I still wonder sometimes is it kundalini or not but it doesnt matter what you call it,its all the same energy and im delighted and lucky to be aware of of it:)

gillad

lolo62 wrote: »

do you think the energy is there anyway or it becomes blocked as it is trying to move through?

it makes sense to me that the energy is there anyway and awareness becomes more attuned so it feels amplified..like there is a big arrow pointing you to it
but it also makes sense to me that the energy is moving from one piont to another and gets stuck along the way because the muscles contract and dont allow it...what do you think?

(btw my biggest problem in energy work is my head so feel free to ignore my question if it is too heady!)

The energy is always there like you said and moving slowly at first but what happens is when the energy starts to speed up and
there is a blockage in the chakras or meridians then the energy has to move into the flesh/muscles to get past the problem.Muscles not set up to channel so much energy and thats when you feel it with spasms or shakes.The big arrow points and says "Theres a problem that needs to be fixed"

barrymanilow

I m not sure if anything really sparked it off it just kind of happened I am fairly sure that its kundalini because ive researched it a little and i have a lot of the symptoms , also before my jaw was ever a problem it was in my heart chest area that i felt it working then once it cleared that it came up into my throath and now its my jaws and cheeks and its really sore . Id love to know that im doing everything i can right to help the process or whatever and that im not leaving anything out . I see the big arrows pointing at my jaws telling me this is something that needs sorting but as of now i havent a clue what exactly that is or how to proceed .Will this eventually work itself out on its own or does it need me to do things ?I ld defo pm you lola thanks very much

dkin

Generally the advice is to 'ground' yourself. That means go outside barefoot, take a swim in the sea, sit on a park bench in nature etc. The idea is to link yourself into the natural energy field.

Have a look at the aypsite forum dealing with Kundalini problems for more info and maybe search a bit through the threads.

Ed The Equalizer

Have you got any relief?

I've had good success releasing huge amounts of tension from the head and jaw area following minor kundalini issues a few years ago. I've found that I can't just focus on one area though, I need to systematically work my way around the body.

A lot of my jaw issues came from teeth extractions for braces as a teenager.

barrymanilow

Taok wrote: »

Have you got any relief?

I've had good success releasing huge amounts of tension from the head and jaw area following minor kundalini issues a few years ago. I've found that I can't just focus on one area though, I need to systematically work my way around the body.

A lot of my jaw issues came from teeth extractions for braces as a teenager.

Hi i cant say I have really , I think its going to take a long time the tension in there is probably set deep for years and itll be a slow process of gradually getting it out . Theres a lot of toothe grinding and the muscles in my face are constantly flexing all the way up to my temples . Of course I wish there was a magic pill that would instantly release it all but ive accepted that isnt the way it works .

Interesting you mention braces i had a very medieval brace in my early teen s ive actually had nightmares recently that it is still in my mouth . It could possibly be connected .

Ive read that the jaw muscles are linked to the shoulders and psoas muscles so i hear what your saying about whole body work .If you could tell me what methods you used to release jaw tension id be very grateful pm me or share here if you like :-)

Ed The Equalizer

barrymanilow wrote: »

Interesting you mention braces i had a very medieval brace in my early teen s ive actually had nightmares recently that it is still in my mouth . It could possibly be connected .

You're not alone, I have regular nightmares about still having braces. At least once a month. I suspect there's a connection alright.

barrymanilow wrote: »

Ive read that the jaw muscles are linked to the shoulders and psoas muscles so i hear what your saying about whole body work .If you could tell me what methods you used to release jaw tension id be very grateful pm me or share here if you like :-)

Yes absolutely... I'll talk to you by PM :-)

lolo62

Came across this recently I found it helpful
http://www.blueearthawakening.com/internal-storms-jaw-releases.html

dkin

Yes absolutely... I'll talk to you by PM :-)

Any chance, you could post it here?

I'm going through very similar symptoms myself. I've been meditating a lot particularly mantra meditation and it just seems to be releasing more and more energy from my left temple. It's not necessarily uncomfortable but a very interesting sensation.

macco66

Hi. Suffering from the same symptoms myself for the last 3 years and it's comforting to hear of others going through it too. They began after a particularly strong meditative experience in May '09 and my gut has always told me it was something to do with the meditation. Anyway, sick and tired of it now and have come to realise that more meditation only fuels my symptoms (tension in jaw, pain/tension/tingling in left side of head moving into face, scalp, neck and shoulders and down spine).

After having gone down the more traditional routes (GP, dentist, physio massage, eye testing, orofacial pain specialist), I've realised I have to head down the energy healing route as I'm sure it's either a blockage of energy, or 'Kundalini Syndrome' (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kundalini_syndrome). Anyway, I'll drop in to this thread and let you know if I get anywhere. Could be a good place where we can all learn from each other.

Best of luck!

jassjot.kaur

Sat Nam,

I just posted a thread about a forthcoming Open Day that might be worth coming to - there will be experienced kundalini yoga teachers in attendence who will be able to offer support and guidance.

HTH

barrymanilow

"After having gone down the more traditional routes (GP, dentist, physio massage, eye testing, orofacial pain specialist), I've realised I have to head down the energy healing route as I'm sure it's either a blockage of energy, or 'Kundalini Syndrome' (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kundalini_syndrome). Anyway, I'll drop in to this thread and let you know if I get anywhere. Could be a good place where we can all learn from each other."


Good Idea ! let us know how you get on , here are a few resources that ive found useful anyway.

http://theyogalunchbox.co.nz/2011/05/09/suggestions-on-what-to-do-if-youve-had-a-kundalini-awakening/

http://www.kundaliniguide.com/10things.html

I also got a book on amazon called kundalini rising which was good

Id like to say though that I think a lot of the info out there on Kundalini is dubious at best . Possibly because it is a syndrome that has only just recently been recognised by the west .There is a lot of mis- information out there . For every website that says to lay of sexual activity youll find another recommending you engage in it heavily , for every support group that says avoid meat another will say eat lots it , some say avoid meditation at all costs others say do loads of it .Id love to chat with somebody who has come out the other end of an experience like this and knows their stuff becuase it is quite debilitating and confusing at times .

dkin

If I grip my cheek, thumb inside fingers on the outside, I've noticed that one side is substantially more tense and feels thicker than the other. This is due to muscle tension I think as I tend to clench my left jaw when doing something difficult and this has probably resulted in a larger muscle on one side. Might be something to check.

macco66

I agree with you there Barry, about conflicting/dubious info etc. The only consistent thing I've noticed, is that for head pressure and jaw tension, it ALWAYS seems to occur on the left side as dkin says above. Is that the same for you Barry?

FWIW, I really wish I'd gotten some advice or guidance when I started meditating. Had no idea that there could be adverse affects. Hoping to find someone now who can steer me right. I've tried contacting that energy center in rathfarnham that was mentioned in the 2nd post. Are they still open? They haven't replied to my email and their phone rings out.

By the way, thought this fella had a few interesting things to say.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xq4NVSp35Rs

Some interesting bits in the comment section also. There's 2 follow up vids but I haven't gotten round to checking them out yet.

barrymanilow

Hi macco thanks for that video , yes its all the left side for me also its somthing to do with the signifigance of that side of the nervous system , your dead right a lot of practices such as meditation and yoga can kick of kundalini and ive never seen any warnings about it anywhere .It seems like it can be a shock if your unprepared or not seeking it . From what i have read the spasms from kundalini are cleansing and will eventually clear out the bulk of the tension in your body making you feel lighter and more peaceful supposedly , well thats what i tell myself to stop myself going nuts when its at its worst

dkin

I've always had a very weak Ida channel, this is easily checked by checking which nostril you breath out of most of the day. I tend to breath through my right nostril most of the time showing that the Ida energy channel is not flowing freely.

EDIT: From what I understand it is pretty normal in western society to be right side dominant

barrymanilow

http://www.mudrashram.com/kundaliniemergencies.html

another good resource

lolo62

I did a body work session on Tuesday...my jaw had been quite tight for a while before and after about half an hour if intense work my face has literally changed, my jaw has dropped about an inch...its amazing just how deep the energy is locked into the muscles
What I'm finding hardest at the moment is indigestion, its like there is an effervescent tablet sitting in my solar plexus, that and waking up in the middle of the nightfeeling like my legs are literally humming with energy
Another thing I find hard is that although I've moved what feels like an eternity of energy through my body it can seem like a never ending process
I'm glad I've reached a point now though where I can ground the energy because for a while it was pretty terrifying..

Ed The Equalizer

I've just read most of this website:

http://www.elcollie.com/

I was locked up in John of Gods for supposed psychosis when I went through a 3 month phase of hearing voices and feeling like I was being chased by demons but El Collie's story mentions many symptoms I had so I guess Kundalini was responsible.

There was one time I was watching a band playing in a bar and I focused really hard on the guitarist's guitar. Suddenly his pitch changed and it started to sound absolutely amazing. His face was priceless, it was like he had suddenly turned into Eddie Van Halen and for the rest of the song he was an absolute guitar god!

When it was over he just sat there in absolute awe, kissing his guitar. I don't even think anyone else in the small crowd twigged what was going on! But then, disaster... at the beginning of the next song he started playing and it was like the guitar had died. There was just a completely dull sound coming out of it. I was totally freaked out and left the bar. I guess at least he got to feel like that for once in his life and will never forget it!

One time, the voice said "that dog beside you is about to get very angry with you" - and sure he enough he immediately went crazy barking at me.

I was also noticing my house, particularly my bedroom was full of a really strong energy. One time I opened the door and it felt dazzling and there was a vortex in the centre of the room where I'd been standing trying to ground myself earlier in the day. I even brought a girl home one night and when she opened the bedroom door she fell backwards and vomited on the floor.

I used smoke a lot of weed and the last joint I smoked the voices started singing "the roof, the roof, the roof is on fire" and I felt my crown chakra blow wide open and all my energy flow out. Absolutely terrifying.

Towards the end when I was nearly suicidal, I ran 14km barefoot and then swam about 500m out to sea, late at night, and said to God "Take me or heal me". A tide drifted me towards a boat that was moored out there. I climbed up on the boat, exhausted, crying, but felt a lot of the bad stuff lifting. After an hour or so I was ready to swim back in but the tide was straight against me and I didn't think I'd make it. So I said "right God, if you want me alive you need to switch the tide". It instantly changed direction, and I dived in and swam back no problem.

I was away at the time but my mother came and rescued me and a week later I was in the lockup ward in John of Gods.

What's worked since then is no drink, no drugs, no yoga, no meditation, a quiet life, and many many hours of self myofascial release, particularly around the head area, using a completely self developed system. It creates room for the energy to flow in a more balanced way and now I feel like I'm undergoing a gradual controlled awakening. The energy is definitely increasing but it's all pleasant and enjoyable.

However, I do feel a bit trapped, like I've no choice but to continue to open up my body and accept the ever-increasing energy. If I don't I can see myself having the painful symptoms that others are discussing.

macco66

dkin wrote: »

If I grip my cheek, thumb inside fingers on the outside, I've noticed that one side is substantially more tense and feels thicker than the other. This is due to muscle tension I think as I tend to clench my left jaw when doing something difficult and this has probably resulted in a larger muscle on one side. Might be something to check.

If it's any comfort, I had an x-ray taken the other week and after years of tension in that area, there's no damage or ware to the jaw joint.

macco66

barrymanilow wrote: »

Hi macco thanks for that video , yes its all the left side for me also its somthing to do with the signifigance of that side of the nervous system , your dead right a lot of practices such as meditation and yoga can kick of kundalini and ive never seen any warnings about it anywhere .It seems like it can be a shock if your unprepared or not seeking it . From what i have read the spasms from kundalini are cleansing and will eventually clear out the bulk of the tension in your body making you feel lighter and more peaceful supposedly , well thats what i tell myself to stop myself going nuts when its at its worst

I hope you're right. It's taking it's ****ing time though!


After going to a specialist, he wants me to take Epilim (an anti-seizure med) for what he calls 'chronic headaches with elements of migraine'. I don't fancy taking medication however, as a), it's something I have massive reservations towards and b), I believe something like this can and should be worked through naturally and methodically. I also reckon that's the most vague diagnosis imaginable.

It's just a shame that trying to find someone near me with experience in this is so difficult.

Thought for the night - Who'd have thought that sitting in mindful peace could end up being so disruptive.

macco66

lolo62 wrote: »

I did a body work session on Tuesday...my jaw had been quite tight for a while before and after about half an hour if intense work my face has literally changed, my jaw has dropped about an inch...its amazing just how deep the energy is locked into the muscles
What I'm finding hardest at the moment is indigestion, its like there is an effervescent tablet sitting in my solar plexus, that and waking up in the middle of the nightfeeling like my legs are literally humming with energy
Another thing I find hard is that although I've moved what feels like an eternity of energy through my body it can seem like a never ending process
I'm glad I've reached a point now though where I can ground the energy because for a while it was pretty terrifying..

How are you managing to ground the energy lolo? I find that bringing awareness to my feet is not only good for grounding me but also helps to disperse the energy from my head.

lolo62

macco66 wrote: »

lolo62 wrote: »

I did a body work session on Tuesday...my jaw had been quite tight for a while before and after about half an hour if intense work my face has literally changed, my jaw has dropped about an inch...its amazing just how deep the energy is locked into the muscles
What I'm finding hardest at the moment is indigestion, its like there is an effervescent tablet sitting in my solar plexus, that and waking up in the middle of the nightfeeling like my legs are literally humming with energy
Another thing I find hard is that although I've moved what feels like an eternity of energy through my body it can seem like a never ending process
I'm glad I've reached a point now though where I can ground the energy because for a while it was pretty terrifying..

How are you managing to ground the energy lolo? I find that bringing awareness to my feet is not only good for grounding me but also helps to disperse the energy from my head.

Definitely, if i pull the energy up into my head I'm in the danger zone..the feet thing helps a lot but the main thing for me is self-soothing. my upbringing was very much about 'pulling yourself together' and keeping going no matter what...even if your leg falls off, so just being really gentle with myself and allowing sensations to be there without attaching thought to them

I used to go into panic mode with sensations as it felt like the stuff of science fiction, I would focus on the sensations and become so ungrounded that I wasn't even in my body any more...i never had a full blown psychotic episode but came dangerously close a few times
Luckily I have an amazing therapist who has been gently reassuring me all the way along 'its just energy', this has become my mantra

btw had a trip to the dentist recently and teeth are showing wear from clenching and grinding, she suggested a rubber thing while sleeping as besides wearing down teeth clenching can eventually cause gums to recede...
I had been avoiding the dentist for the past few years so glad I got them checked

barrymanilow

macco66 wrote: »

I hope you're right. It's taking it's ****ing time though!


After going to a specialist, he wants me to take Epilim (an anti-seizure med) for what he calls 'chronic headaches with elements of migraine'. I don't fancy taking medication however, as a), it's something I have massive reservations towards and b), I believe something like this can and should be worked through naturally and methodically. I also reckon that's the most vague diagnosis imaginable.

It's just a shame that trying to find someone near me with experience in this is so difficult.

Thought for the night - Who'd have thought that sitting in mindful peace could end up being so disruptive.

Hey macco far be it from me to give anyone medical advice on an internet forum but for me and from my own research i would be very reluctant to take medication to push down the process that is occuring even though it can be so hard to live with sometimes that is of course if you really think that it is your body trying to heal itself .

Something that I have recently come across is the work of a guy called David Bercelli , he has developed exercises which help the body to release tension through a sort of shaking which he claims is an entirely natural bodily response that we have learned to inhibit .he has a few vids on you tube and a book out

http://traumaprevention.com/2009/07/09/the-revolutionary-trauma-release-process/

I have found that the shaking exercises worked all up my body right to my jaw , im still suffering a lot in that area but i think this has helped loosen it up a little .

lolo62

barrymanilow wrote: »

macco66 wrote: »

I hope you're right. It's taking it's ****ing time though!


After going to a specialist, he wants me to take Epilim (an anti-seizure med) for what he calls 'chronic headaches with elements of migraine'. I don't fancy taking medication however, as a), it's something I have massive reservations towards and b), I believe something like this can and should be worked through naturally and methodically. I also reckon that's the most vague diagnosis imaginable.

It's just a shame that trying to find someone near me with experience in this is so difficult.

Thought for the night - Who'd have thought that sitting in mindful peace could end up being so disruptive.

Hey macco far be it from me to give anyone medical advice on an internet forum but for me and from my own research i would be very reluctant to take medication to push down the process that is occuring even though it can be so hard to live with sometimes that is of course if you really think that it is your body trying to heal itself .

Something that I have recently come across is the work of a guy called David Bercelli , he has developed exercises which help the body to release tension through a sort of shaking which he claims is an entirely natural bodily response that we have learned to inhibit .he has a few vids on you tube and a book out

http://traumaprevention.com/2009/07/09/the-revolutionary-trauma-release-process/

I have found that the shaking exercises worked all up my body right to my jaw , im still suffering a lot in that area but i think this has helped loosen it up a little .

I second that! In the same vein as what you're talking about Barrymanilow is a book called 'waking the tiger' looks at trauma from the perspective of animal instincts and how a gazelle for example gets up and shakes off the experience from its body after freezing to play dead, the experience is completed and the energy doesn't get trapped in the body in a frozen state

We have this ability innately too but have shut it down due to todays society being all in the head

Suceed

Tension around the jaw area would be a common symptom of stress.

Here's a 'progressive muscular relaxation' video, a simple technique to relieve muscle tension, which may help.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KRUdkxQOqWM

'Autogenic relaxation' may prove useful also.

macco66

I'm not aware of the work of David Bercelli, Barry, but funnily enough, I've studied the trauma therapy of Peter Levine (Waking the Tiger) and Babbette Rothschild (The Body Remembers) quite indepthly. Isn't it fundamentally based on the energy of the fight or flight process becoming 'locked down' and not being fully processed physiologically and psychologically, however? I was kind of coming from the thinking that if it IS kundalini energy causing these symptoms we're getting now, then that's newly awoken energy rather than a build up of old surplus energy, so regressive techniques like Levine's would only be healing old 'wounds' and not addressing this new build up of kundalini energy, if you know what I mean? What do you's all think? I'll definitely look in to that Bercelli fella though.

Lolo, I do think that's very important - uncritically and compassionately experiencing sensations in the body in order to process them. I think though, as you've found out, that this needs to be done safely and it sounds like you've found that safety in your therapist. Happy days! Have a look at Rothschild and the bits about containment and 'putting on the breaks'. Might give you further insight in to what you're doing now with your therapist?

Anyway, I haven't meditated in over 4 weeks and things are definitely subsiding, pressure and tension wise. In many places I've been reading over the last few weeks, the first bit of advice that keeps cropping up is 'STOP meditating immediately'. Meditation will only awaken further energy (through awareness, maybe?) and that's akin to adding more fuel to the fire, or adding more current to an underrated circuit, as I've seen it described in a few places.

At the moment, I'm finding grounding techniques and good, proper walks in nature to be doing the job for me. I'm gonna knock the pints on the head for a bit now and look in to proper diet as I think that might go some way to uprating that circuit/wire for taking this heightened energy/prahna, if you get me. I'm still gonna look for some assistance from someone experienced with energy and what not though. Not a chance I'm going down the prescription medicine route. I've MASSIVE reservations towards that whole industry.

Cheers for the PMR and autogenics tips as well, Suceed. Been too long since I've done them and I've forgotten the benefits of them when worked in to a routine.

macco66

One other thing... has anyone experienced irregular heart beat or palpitations in relation to this???

barrymanilow

macco66 wrote: »

I'm not aware of the work of David Bercelli, Barry, but funnily enough, I've studied the trauma therapy of Peter Levine (Waking the Tiger) and Babbette Rothschild (The Body Remembers) quite indepthly. Isn't it fundamentally based on the energy of the fight or flight process becoming 'locked down' and not being fully processed physiologically and psychologically, however? I was kind of coming from the thinking that if it IS kundalini energy causing these symptoms we're getting now, then that's newly awoken energy rather than a build up of old surplus energy, so regressive techniques like Levine's would only be healing old 'wounds' and not addressing this new build up of kundalini energy, if you know what I mean? What do you's all think? I'll definitely look in to that Bercelli fella though.



Anyway, I haven't meditated in over 4 weeks and things are definitely subsiding, pressure and tension wise. In many places I've been reading over the last few weeks, the first bit of advice that keeps cropping up is 'STOP meditating immediately'. Meditation will only awaken further energy (through awareness, maybe?) and that's akin to adding more fuel to the fire, or adding more current to an underrated circuit, as I've seen it described in a few places.

At the moment, I'm finding grounding techniques and good, proper walks in nature to be doing the job for me. I'm gonna knock the pints on the head for a bit now and look in to proper diet as I think that might go some way to uprating that circuit/wire for taking this heightened energy/prahna, if you get me. I'm still gonna look for some assistance from someone experienced with energy and what not though. Not a chance I'm going down the prescription medicine route. I've MASSIVE reservations towards that whole industry.

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Hi Macco ,

I agree, your right about Peter Levine and Rotschild , their work is about releasing old trauma and energy held in the musculature , but I also believe that if the body is to adjust to the new energy we seem to be experiencing then any old traumas will block that energy and will have to be processed . Its interesting that for me the energy brings about naturally the very shaking and vibrating that the exercices in david bercellis book are working towards .After reading his book I realised I had actually been doing the trembling exercises he was writing about already .This was happening as a result of me just letting my body move in whatever way it wanted to and just surrendering to the body . I think if the approaches of these guys can be used by someone who is struggling with kundalini that it might help the process along but i am also aware that it could be dangerous to do too much of this kind of work and thus overload the system with too much of the new energy relesed from a repressed trauma .

It sounds that you have made a lot of progress in grounding the energy . I am at a bit of a crossroads myself I am trying to decide if i should continue to surrender to the energy and let it do its thing or if I should take measures (if there are any) to slow it down . Medication would be a last option for me too and im not sure if it would make much difference . I am doing a lot of tai chi daily , Im not sure if its grounding and helping me to bring down the energy or if it is a form of meditation which is aggravating the situation . I guess the only way to be sure would be to lay off and see if anything changes .

Thanks again and let us know how you are getting on with it and if you come across anything else please share it up here .

The Circular Journey

OP, Could i suggest that you try make contact with Srila Swami Narayankaka Dhekane Maharaj in India? If your problem is actually related to kundalini, he would likely be able to sort it out, as many, many people have gone to him and been successfully relieved of such issues.

He is a bit old now, and so is harder to reach... but if you write an e-mail, then hopefully his students can bring the issue to his attention.

you can email on info@mahayoga.org or phone 0091 - 253 - 2311616

Hope that your issue resolves quick

lolo62

macco66 wrote: »

I'm not aware of the work of David Bercelli, Barry, but funnily enough, I've studied the trauma therapy of Peter Levine (Waking the Tiger) and Babbette Rothschild (The Body Remembers) quite indepthly. Isn't it fundamentally based on the energy of the fight or flight process becoming 'locked down' and not being fully processed physiologically and psychologically, however? I was kind of coming from the thinking that if it IS kundalini energy causing these symptoms we're getting now, then that's newly awoken energy rather than a build up of old surplus energy, so regressive techniques like Levine's would only be healing old 'wounds' and not addressing this new build up of kundalini energy, if you know what I mean? What do you's all think? I'll definitely look in to that Bercelli fella though.

Lolo, I do think that's very important - uncritically and compassionately experiencing sensations in the body in order to process them. I think though, as you've found out, that this needs to be done safely and it sounds like you've found that safety in your therapist. Happy days! Have a look at Rothschild and the bits about containment and 'putting on the breaks'. Might give you further insight in to what you're doing now with your therapist?

Have you worked with these therapies in a practical way? I've read 'waking the tiger' but have found that working with someone on a one to one basis is where the real work is done
Information is useful but reading a book is not going to be enough when working this way
A poster put it way better than I could further back in this thread, basically kundalini and trauma go hand in hand, there's just a stigma attached to the word trauma that makes 'kundalini' sound more appealing..it doesn't matter what words you use, the old wounds have to be healed to achieve enlightenment
I think where the differences lie is the speed at which the energy is moving and the ability/skills you have to contain it

My therapist works with energy if you re interested send me a pm

barrymanilow

I think Peter Levine explains trauma in the body very well here .

macco66

lolo62 wrote: »

Have you worked with these therapies in a practical way? I've read 'waking the tiger' but have found that working with someone on a one to one basis is where the real work is done
Information is useful but reading a book is not going to be enough when working this way
A poster put it way better than I could further back in this thread, basically kundalini and trauma go hand in hand, there's just a stigma attached to the word trauma that makes 'kundalini' sound more appealing..it doesn't matter what words you use, the old wounds have to be healed to achieve enlightenment
I think where the differences lie is the speed at which the energy is moving and the ability/skills you have to contain it

My therapist works with energy if you re interested send me a pm

Hi lolo. You're completely right. The more I'm looking in to it, the more I'm realising that trauma has to be dealt with to process whatever blockages are there.

Regards Peter Levine, it's only the underlying theory I know so can't really speak from any great experience. However, I think I'm going to go down the route of holotropic breathwork. It's been recommended to me by a very experienced and trusted therapist I know and from reading some of Stanislav Grof the last week or so, it sounds like it could be very appropriate for me personally.

I'm going to look in to finding group sessions/workshops in Dublin.

gillad

macco66 wrote: »

Hi lolo. You're completely right. The more I'm looking in to it, the more I'm realising that trauma has to be dealt with to process whatever blockages are there.

Regards Peter Levine, it's only the underlying theory I know so can't really speak from any great experience. However, I think I'm going to go down the route of holotropic breathwork. It's been recommended to me by a very experienced and trusted therapist I know and from reading some of Stanislav Grof the last week or so, it sounds like it could be very appropriate for me personally.

I'm going to look in to finding group sessions/workshops in Dublin.

Iv done holotropic breathwork and i highly recommend it.

lolo62

macco66 wrote: »

lolo62 wrote: »

Have you worked with these therapies in a practical way? I've read 'waking the tiger' but have found that working with someone on a one to one basis is where the real work is done
Information is useful but reading a book is not going to be enough when working this way
A poster put it way better than I could further back in this thread, basically kundalini and trauma go hand in hand, there's just a stigma attached to the word trauma that makes 'kundalini' sound more appealing..it doesn't matter what words you use, the old wounds have to be healed to achieve enlightenment
I think where the differences lie is the speed at which the energy is moving and the ability/skills you have to contain it

My therapist works with energy if you re interested send me a pm

Hi lolo. You're completely right. The more I'm looking in to it, the more I'm realising that trauma has to be dealt with to process whatever blockages are there.

Regards Peter Levine, it's only the underlying theory I know so can't really speak from any great experience. However, I think I'm going to go down the route of holotropic breathwork. It's been recommended to me by a very experienced and trusted therapist I know and from reading some of Stanislav Grof the last week or so, it sounds like it could be very appropriate for me personally.

I'm going to look in to finding group sessions/workshops in Dublin.

More power to you! holotropic breath work is not for the feint hearted

I've never done it but when I first heard about it and looked into the technique I remembered we used to do something similar while skipping classes in school but we called it the 'american dream'...dangerous stuff for bored teenagers to be playing around with!
Would love to get into it properly in the future

Shaman Martin Duffy does holotropic workshops down in Dunderry, he runs a meetup in town fortnightly that's good too, I've been to a few but not for a while. Its called spiritinthecity, great for getting more info on interesting spiritual topics

Keep us posted if you do some breathwork, I'd love to hear how it helps...if you can put it into words that is

lolo62

Wilhelm Reich is worth a mention here too as he worked extensively on what he called 'body armouring' with his patients
Then he discovered 'orgone' energy and developed a machine for capturing it to try and cure people of cancer (Kate bush wrote the song cloudbusting about him..the one with Donald Sutherland in the video) was branded a lunatic by his scientist piers, thrown in jail and a lot if his work was destroyed....surprise surprise

Alexander Lowen followed on from Reich, took body work to the next level and brought it to where it is today..

There are videos of both on YouTube

gillad

lolo62 wrote: »

Wilhelm Reich is worth a mention here too as he worked extensively on what he called 'body armouring' with his patients
Then he discovered 'orgone' energy and developed a machine for capturing it to try and cure people of cancer (Kate bush wrote the song cloudbusting about him..the one with Donald Sutherland in the video) was branded a lunatic by his scientist piers, thrown in jail and a lot if his work was destroyed....surprise surprise

Alexander Lowen followed on from Reich, took body work to the next level and brought it to where it is today..

There are videos of both on YouTube

Orgone Energy is better known Chi/Qi/Prana.The problem is that it cant be seen or measured(but it can be felt) so sceintists cant study or write about it yet so its going to stay in the backround until someone invents something that will prove its existence.

When you do Holotropic Breathwork,it increases the flow of this Energy in your body and it starts to clear the negative Energy/Emotions from the body.The Energy is released very dramatically but is sometimes followed by a state of bliss(i used to see it as my little reward).
I gave a link to the Energytemple in dublin at the start of this thread but that site is changed so here is the new link.This temple is all about Chi and its a much gentler way to release excessive Energy and i highly recommend it too.Try the Weekly empowerment sessions if you want to feel what Chi is like
http://energytemple.ie/

barrymanilow

Heres some stuff about TRE (trauma release exercises ) by David bercelli , Its helping me out a lot , the tremors that it induces are working all the way up to my face and jaw .After doing it I experience busrts of intense energy where i could just walk and walk for hours . My hunch is that its energy that was previously used up holding tight the chronically contracted muscles and with its release the body suddenly has a surplus that its not used to and must re integrate .

Alexander lowens work is amazing also ,i recommend the books joy , bioenergetics and narcissim .Narcissim is a great book where he illustrates how a narcissistic society is motivated by mental images and ideals(living in the head ) rather than the feelings in our bodies(living in the body) ,and it is often because we are just not connected to those feelings as we have learned to tighten our diagphrams and breathe shallow and clench our jaws and tighten our throats , all methods of reducing painful feelings which end up becoming stuck in the body .

He doesnt put emphasis on tremors in the body like TRE does but his system of analysing how peoples bodies and personalities exhibit their patterns of chronic tension is very interesting if your looking at healing the spirit through the body .

tune4yourhead

Thanks @Taok for sharing your experience. When I went through this six years ago there was not much online about it and definitely nothing on Irish sites. It was a long time before I met anyone aware of this process. Psychiatrists in this country should educate themselves in the differences between kundalini and mental illness, or at the very least acknowledge that it exists. It such an amazing thing to go through an awakening and life ever since has been a much more beautiful and fascinating place.

macco66

lolo62 wrote: »

More power to you! holotropic breath work is not for the feint hearted

I've never done it but when I first heard about it and looked into the technique I remembered we used to do something similar while skipping classes in school but we called it the 'american dream'...dangerous stuff for bored teenagers to be playing around with!
Would love to get into it properly in the future

Shaman Martin Duffy does holotropic workshops down in Dunderry, he runs a meetup in town fortnightly that's good too, I've been to a few but not for a while. Its called spiritinthecity, great for getting more info on interesting spiritual topics

Keep us posted if you do some breathwork, I'd love to hear how it helps...if you can put it into words that is

Well lolo, I did a Holotropic Breathwork session/workshop. I won't go into it on here as it was a personal and incredibly profound experience and to be honest, I wouldn't even know where to begin!

I went through two blissful days a few days later where for the first time in over 3 years I had zero tension/pressure and felt like I imagine other people normally feel like. It had been so long, I'd forgotten what it felt like to just feel normal. Alas, things along those lines are back to near where they were, but I'm also aware that they do surface again before they clear, and that I can't be expecting miracles from a days workshop and 3 hour journey.

Holy ****, is it an experience though! And one I'll hopefully do again soon.

Anyone else had any progress lately?

I might take a look at the TRE BarryM, but are you saying it only provides relief up as far as your shoulders?

barrymanilow

@Macco66

HI Macco , The tre involves the whole body from the feet right up as far as the face , anywhere that there is a muscle holding tension .I think its been great for helping me shake tension out of my jaws and lower back here is a link to the English site .

http://trelondon.com/

If you scroll down there is a bit about TRE in Dublin ,the guy who runs it holds workshops now and again in Dublin . I havent made it up to one yet I ve just been going on the book by D.Becelli and a few videos from youtube .

For me with this healing approach I found that it wasnt just a case of just doing the shaking exercises and then skipping happily into the sunset . By shaking the tension loose a lot of emotion associated with it rose to the surface and i had to feel and resolve what had been trapped in my body . So if your going D.I.Y Id say take it slow and steady and watch yourself , maybe do it twice a week and build up slowly give yourself time to integrate the stuff that you shake loose .

macco66

Looking at some of the TRE vids again there Barry, the movements in them are what I remember my body to have been instinctively doing during the breathwork. Where's a good place to get started? One of his books or is there a good resource of instructional vids anywhere on the net? Funds are at a serious minimum at the moment, otherwise I'd happily try TRE and holotropic workshops etc regularly. I'm quite happy to give it a go on my own. I've thankfully a very good therapeutic place for processing emotional stuff that's loosened up at the moment.

Cheers

barrymanilow

Hi Macco good to hear youve got a safe space for dealing with stuff, Id say that is half the battle .

I would start with his book which you can get on amazon . Its not too expensive and its really straightforward and accessible . Its not full of therapy/psychologic jargon . Straight talking .The book has a series of exercises that encourage the shaking to occur . I personally think that the key is to let go , get out of the way , surrender to the body and let it do what it needs to do .

I think this is good if your on a budget because once you figure out how to get the body shaking then you can do it on your own for free.

You can browse the tre website http://traumaprevention.com/

and you could try putting a search of trauma release exercises david bercelli into you tube . I havent found much in the way of actual instructional videos myself although I know he has a dvd that you can get on the website or on amazon which may have actual instructional videos .

lolo62

macco66 wrote: »

Well lolo, I did a Holotropic Breathwork session/workshop. I won't go into it on here as it was a personal and incredibly profound experience and to be honest, I wouldn't even know where to begin!

I went through two blissful days a few days later where for the first time in over 3 years I had zero tension/pressure and felt like I imagine other people normally feel like. It had been so long, I'd forgotten what it felt like to just feel normal. Alas, things along those lines are back to near where they were, but I'm also aware that they do surface again before they clear, and that I can't be expecting miracles from a days workshop and 3 hour journey.

Holy ****, is it an experience though! And one I'll hopefully do again soon.

Anyone else had any progress lately?

I might take a look at the TRE BarryM, but are you saying it only provides relief up as far as your shoulders?

That sounds fantastic macco66! Good for you, I have gotten quite comfortable in one to one sessions I need to brave the group situation..
I think the thing to remember with this is that it is a non linear process, that's one of my mantras anyway. the more blissful days (even moments) you have the clearer the vision is for you to hold through the darker ones while processing

In relation to the shaking thing, I have found that it can get stopped at the back of my neck, where my head and neck meet, I've had to really let rip with that and find vocalisations of all shapes and sizes help!
I've also had to do a lot of stamping as my legs were holding lots of stuff

Is also really important to ground the energy properly after too as you pointed out Barry, the feeling that comes needs to be integrated gently and slowing down after is essential making sure you are breathing into your belly

The other thing I wanted to ad to this is absolutely NO HEAD! I have to work hard at that, wanting to narrate everything to myself, it pulls you out of your experience instantly and you can end up trying to 'do' it which doesn't really help.

macco66

barrymanilow wrote: »

Hi Macco good to hear youve got a safe space for dealing with stuff, Id say that is half the battle .

I would start with his book which you can get on amazon . Its not too expensive and its really straightforward and accessible . Its not full of therapy/psychologic jargon . Straight talking .The book has a series of exercises that encourage the shaking to occur . I personally think that the key is to let go , get out of the way , surrender to the body and let it do what it needs to do .

I think this is good if your on a budget because once you figure out how to get the body shaking then you can do it on your own for free.

You can browse the tre website http://traumaprevention.com/

and you could try putting a search of trauma release exercises david bercelli into you tube . I havent found much in the way of actual instructional videos myself although I know he has a dvd that you can get on the website or on amazon which may have actual instructional videos .

Howya BM. Yeah, had a nose through his book in town on Saturday. Looks really concise and easy to digest so will pick it up at the weekend and get going from there. Affordable too at 17 quid. Looking forward to getting started.

Funny what you say about surrendering to the body and letting go. I was worried before the breathwork workshop that I wouldn't be able to do just that. I'd been given a word of advice though and that was to trust your breath and then follow it. Anyway, I followed my breath and over the duration, my body went through waves of shaking, just like what I see in the small bits of Bercelli vids that show the shaking (but more intense), and the vids on youtube that show animals just after the frozen state where they discharge all that flight or fight energy. None of this was a conscious decision because you pretty much give over your consciousness to the breath and become an observer of sorts. It was just following the breath and seeing where it takes you and what it does.

the holotropic breathwork works on the premise that our bodies naturally and instinctively know how to heal us once we access that altered state of consciousness brought on by breathing. I'm fairly sure that for my experience, my body activated that shaking/trembling freeze discharge. Don't know if you've checked out the holotropic stuff, but it really is an experience!

By the way, check out this if you've got 2 min...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eT4060GeodI

macco66

lolo62 wrote: »

That sounds fantastic macco66! Good for you, I have gotten quite comfortable in one to one sessions I need to brave the group situation..
I think the thing to remember with this is that it is a non linear process, that's one of my mantras anyway. the more blissful days (even moments) you have the clearer the vision is for you to hold through the darker ones while processing

In relation to the shaking thing, I have found that it can get stopped at the back of my neck, where my head and neck meet, I've had to really let rip with that and find vocalisations of all shapes and sizes help!
I've also had to do a lot of stamping as my legs were holding lots of stuff

Is also really important to ground the energy properly after too as you pointed out Barry, the feeling that comes needs to be integrated gently and slowing down after is essential making sure you are breathing into your belly

The other thing I wanted to ad to this is absolutely NO HEAD! I have to work hard at that, wanting to narrate everything to myself, it pulls you out of your experience instantly and you can end up trying to 'do' it which doesn't really help.

lolo62, DEFINITELY brave the group breathing! Someone on the day put it well, you're basically piggy-backing off the energy of everyone else in the room and that's what makes it so powerful. You can't really help but get swept up with it. I'd be willing to bet that you wouldn't find yourself nearly as much up in your head at a workshop. Fairly sure there's another one scheduled in the next few weeks. P.M. if you want and I can find you details.

I found the same with the neck as well. The waves would stop there and then sort of spasm and arch back. It probably has to though, no? You'd only be risking injuring your neck if you were to really shake through it I'm thinking. I was aware of the rest of the shaking being pretty violent so couldn't imagine it up through the neck. that's why I'm thinking this Berceli/TRE stuff might be a good way of working that stuff out in a more controlled and gentle fashion. What would ya think, Barry?