No new Astra GTC OPC for Ireland

rob180

Went to my local Opel dealer today to enquire the new Astra OPC, specs and price . Was told Opel Ireland won't be getting it because the price would be around the €46000 mark :eek: Went home and check the prices from other European country and the average price was around €35000 mark. Where did the extra €11000 come from?

AltAccount

Taxes?

DELTATIP

rob180 wrote: »

Went to my local Opel dealer today to enquire the new Astra OPC, specs and price . Was told Opel Ireland won't be getting it because the price would be around the €46000 mark :eek: Went home and check the prices from other European country and the average price was around €35000 mark. Where did the extra €11000 come from?

Christ you can buy 2 opel astras 1.4i for that money and have change
for a bag of chips {lovely car all the same }

Jimbob 83

I would love to meet the people who came up with the VRT extras pricing list

"Whaaaaaaaaaaat it has a feckin cupholder aaaaaand two tone cloth seats jaaaaaysus my corrolla doesn't have that lob on afew hundred more"

paddy147

Enda Kennys back pocket for when he needs an OAP pension???

Anan1

Jimbob 83 wrote: »

I would love to meet the people who came up with the VRT extras pricing list

"Whaaaaaaaaaaat it has a feckin cupholder aaaaaand two tone cloth seats jaaaaaysus my corrolla doesn't have that lob on afew hundred more"

VRT is levied on the car and the options at the same rate. It makes no difference whether a feature is standard or optional, all that matters are the price charged by the manufacturer and the VRT rate.

rob180

Would have loved to test drive one though just to see the improvement over the Mk 1 OPC.

Guy:Incognito

Is the Megane 250 (265 now I think) not around €35,000 ? Would have thought the Astra would be similar.

Nissan doctor

The Irish market is dead to large engined or high performance cars these days unfortunatly.

Maybe they can do a paddy spec OPC with a 1.3cdti fitted:rolleyes:

unkel

I don't the price of €45k is that ridiculous really, the 280BHP OPC is a beast of a yoke - faster than any other hot hatch probably

When the 200BHP Mk5 Golf GTI came out they were €35k in a fairly basic spec. VRT and VAT are a lot higher now than they were then

Motor tax on the OPC would still be in the €677 band, which is remarkable enough for a hot hatch of that performance.

unkel

Nissan doctor wrote: »

The Irish market is dead to large engined or high performance cars these days unfortunatly.

It is for Japanese hot hatches with outdated engine technology and high emissions

Top Dog

Whats the list price on a Focus RS? Surely that would be its closest competitor?

Nissan doctor

Top Dog wrote: »

Whats the list price on a Focus RS? Surely that would be its closest competitor?

Starting at €35,170 ex. options according to ford.ie.

For its engine type and power its got very low emissions though(169 co2's). Maybe the OPC/VXR is much higher?

Top Dog

Bloody hell! If the RS kicks off 11k cheaper its no wonder Opel aren't going to bother!

vectra

Top Dog wrote: »

Whats the list price on a Focus RS? Surely that would be its closest competitor?

Leon Cupra R ?

bazz26

VRT is dictated by emissions and specification. The OPC obviously has high emmissions and probably comes with a high level of equipment which prices it out of the Irish market.

Most hot hatches disappeared here after 2008 because of high emissions which resulted in stupid retail prices and high motor tax. The best you can hope for now is the diet coke version in the shape of a highly tuned diesel version.

colm_mcm

Or just buy a BMW 123d or something instead.

unkel

bazz26 wrote: »

The OPC obviously has high emmissions

Did you miss my post?

The OPC has relatively very low emissions - 189g/km of CO2 (so 28%VRT and only €677 motor tax) which is pretty spectacular for a 280BHP hot hatch.

unkel

OK I'm getting a bit confused now about how the OPC would be €45k

Some facts I just gathered up for comparison:

OPC 280BHP 189g/km 28%VRT €677 motor tax €45k
Focus ST 250BHP 169g/km 24%VRT €481 motor tax €35k
Leon Cupra 265BHP 190g/km 28%VRT €677 motor tax €40k
Golf GTI 210BHP 170g/km 24%VRT €481 motor tax €35k
Golf GTI RS 270BHP 4WD 199g/km 32%VRT €1,129 motor tax €52k

I really don't know why the OPC would have to be sold here for €45. Compared to the others the RRP should be around the €40k mark

And apologies for my first post in this thread. From these figures one can clearly see that VRT now is actually lower for all of these cars (except the RS) compared to the 30% rate that applied to 2l cars before the VRT system change in '08

paddy147

45k would get you a nice tuned/fettled R34 GTR and close to 200mph too.

R.O.R

And we aren't going to get the 190ps diesel version of the Insignia that's coming in MY13 to the rest of Europe. Price hike over the 160ps would have been circa €3,000 and they can't justify that when it's only €500 from the 130 ---> 160.

Have a 2.0CDTi 165ps SRi GTC on the way to me today, so might have to give that a quick spin to see what it's like to go.

smash

Would the tax on the new OPC hit the highest bracket?

BronsonTB

smash wrote: »

Would the tax on the new OPC hit the highest bracket?

Eh...certainly not....

From motortax.ie...

Tax Band Annual
0 - 120 160
121 - 140 225
141 - 155 183
156 - 170 481
171 - 190 677
191 - 225 1129
226 - 999 2258

Tea 1000

unkel wrote: »

It is for Japanese hot hatches with outdated engine technology and high emissions

Ah go on outta that! You know all this CO2 malarkey is only ruining engines rather than being proof of a good one!

dar83

unkel wrote: »

OK I'm getting a bit confused now about how the OPC would be €45k

Some facts I just gathered up for comparison:

OPC 280BHP 189g/km 28%VRT €677 motor tax €45k
Focus ST 250BHP 169g/km 24%VRT €481 motor tax €35k
Leon Cupra 265BHP 190g/km 28%VRT €677 motor tax €40k
Golf GTI 210BHP 170g/km 24%VRT €481 motor tax €35k
Golf GTI RS 270BHP 4WD 199g/km 32%VRT €1,129 motor tax €52k

And that will be the lowest spec, ST1 as well. Yet again, Ireland doesn't look like getting the ST3 due to the price the VRT will add to it for it's "Luxury" items. So it'll be ST1 or ST2 spec again for Irish ST's.

smash

BronsonTB wrote: »

Eh...certainly not....

From motortax.ie...

Tax Band Annual
0 - 120 160
121 - 140 225
141 - 155 183
156 - 170 481
171 - 190 677
191 - 225 1129
226 - 999 2258

Looks like it would fall into the €677 tax bracket. Nice!

dr.fuzzenstein

colm_mcm wrote: »

Or just buy a BMW 123d or something instead.

Seen a 116d the other day. Filed under "You must have really wanted that BMW"

Henry Ford III

unkel wrote: »

OK I'm getting a bit confused now about how the OPC would be €45k

Some facts I just gathered up for comparison:

OPC 280BHP 189g/km 28%VRT €677 motor tax €45k
Focus ST 250BHP 169g/km 24%VRT €481 motor tax €35k
Leon Cupra 265BHP 190g/km 28%VRT €677 motor tax €40k
Golf GTI 210BHP 170g/km 24%VRT €481 motor tax €35k
Golf GTI RS 270BHP 4WD 199g/km 32%VRT €1,129 motor tax €52k

I really don't know why the OPC would have to be sold here for €45. Compared to the others the RRP should be around the €40k mark

And apologies for my first post in this thread. From these figures one can clearly see that VRT now is actually lower for all of these cars (except the RS) compared to the 30% rate that applied to 2l cars before the VRT system change in '08

€45k for an Astra OPC must be a made up figure. Based on the above it and the Seat Cupra wouldn't have a hope of making sales.

Fizman

Top Dog wrote: »

Whats the list price on a Focus RS? Surely that would be its closest competitor?

VW Golf R would be in there too I'd imagine?

coolisin

Its such a sad state of affairs that we are being forced to pay a premium or import to drive anything fun, that is shocking ROR for the fact we wont be getting an 190bhp insignia.

They'll be a nice rare car when they somebody does bring it in.

Brings up an interesting thought what cars are we missing out on Mazda 3 mps mk2, VRT pushed it way over the top along with the RX8 R3.

smash

coolisin wrote: »

Its such a sad state of affairs that we are being forced to pay a premium or import to drive anything fun, that is shocking ROR for the fact we wont be getting an 190bhp insignia.

They'll be a nice rare car when they somebody does bring it in.

Brings up an interesting thought what cars are we missing out on Mazda 3 mps mk2, VRT pushed it way over the top along with the RX8 R3.

Globally though, the CO2 stuff has really hit hard with small fun affordable cars. S2k, Type Rs etc

unkel

smash wrote: »

Would the tax on the new OPC hit the highest bracket?

Another one who didn't read my post

smash

unkel wrote: »

Another one who didn't read my post

Guilty as charged!

Bigus

Why not go with the new thinking

moderate power

narrow tyres
RWD
light weight=

high fun factor . GT 86

ShadowHearth

unkel wrote: »

OK I'm getting a bit confused now about how the OPC would be €45k

Some facts I just gathered up for comparison:

OPC 280BHP 189g/km 28%VRT €677 motor tax €45k
Focus ST 250BHP 169g/km 24%VRT €481 motor tax €35k
Leon Cupra 265BHP 190g/km 28%VRT €677 motor tax €40k
Golf GTI 210BHP 170g/km 24%VRT €481 motor tax €35k
Golf GTI RS 270BHP 4WD 199g/km 32%VRT €1,129 motor tax €52k

I really don't know why the OPC would have to be sold here for €45. Compared to the others the RRP should be around the €40k mark

And apologies for my first post in this thread. From these figures one can clearly see that VRT now is actually lower for all of these cars (except the RS) compared to the 30% rate that applied to 2l cars before the VRT system change in '08

To be fair all those figures on yearly tax are briliant. Some of them are lower then on CC based pre 08' stuff.
As long as tax is sub 800eu on these cars I would not mind paying it. Problems is initial price then and tax of tax on tax of a brand new car.
In a few years I am prety sure we will get a wave of uk imports of gti/opc/st here.

ShadowHearth

Bigus wrote: »

Why not go with the new thinking

moderate power

narrow tyres
RWD
light weight=

high fun factor . GT 86

As much as I love gt 86 it's not really light at 1.2 tons. Still rwd makes up for it!

fletch

Top Dog wrote: »

Whats the list price on a Focus RS? Surely that would be its closest competitor?

Nissan doctor wrote: »

Starting at €35,170 ex. options according to ford.ie.

For its engine type and power its got very low emissions though(169 co2's). Maybe the OPC/VXR is much higher?

I take it you are referring to the ST....I thought the RS was nearer €50k

dar83

fletch wrote: »

I take it you are referring to the ST....I thought the RS was nearer €50k

Yeah, the RS is about that, and also unavailable new anymore with the introduction of the Mk3 Focus.

Rumours of one being lines up for release in a couple of years, but can you imagine a 5-door RS? :eek:

Henry Ford III

Damn you all to hell!!!!

Just rang Ford and I'm getting a test sdrive in a new Focus ST.

It's not my fault either - it's the thread!!!

rob180

Henry Ford III wrote: »

Damn you all to hell!!!!

Just rang Ford and I'm getting a test drive in a new Focus ST.

It's not my fault either - it's the thread!!!

At lease you still get a chance to to test drive it. Read afew UK article about the VXR/OPC and reviews are pretty good. Yet again we Irish car enthusiasts are forced to buy bland rattling basic diesel car or pay over the odds for anything that resembles fun/fast.

Henry Ford III

rob180 wrote: »

At lease you still get a chance to to test drive it. Read afew UK article about the VXR/OPC and reviews are pretty good. Yet again we Irish car enthusiasts are forced to buy bland rattling basic diesel car or pay over the odds for anything that resembles fun/fast.

The new ST is in Ireland dude.

rob180

Henry Ford III wrote: »

The new ST is in Ireland dude.

Yeah i know , but it still so overprize compare to or European counterparts. Have to say the ST is no looker though and only available in 5dr and Estate.

Guy:Incognito

rob180 wrote: »

At lease you still get a chance to to test drive it. Read afew UK article about the VXR/OPC and reviews are pretty good. Yet again we Irish car enthusiasts are forced to buy bland rattling basic diesel car or pay over the odds for anything that resembles fun/fast.

How many enthusiasts go to a dealer with the intention of buying a 280bhp hot hatch and instead buy a 1.4 diesel ?

Henry Ford III

rob180 wrote: »

Yeah i know , but it still so overprize compare to or European counterparts. Have to say the ST is no looker though and only available in 5dr and Estate.

The issue is the VRT and none of us can avoid that (legally).

I'd happily have a 5 door or estate ST if it's a good enough car. Look are subjective. Some around here get fired up over a Skoda Superb!

dar83

The news ST is disappointing though. 5 door, Missing a cylinder (:P), looks like a Goldfish.

It's way too soft looking at the front as Standard, in fact the Titanium X Focus looks more aggresive, which is bizarre.

Which garage did you organise the Test Drive with if you don't mind me asking? I'm gonna give one a test drive myself when it's possible to do so, but I would really be looking for an ST3, so looks like Second hand in a couple of years and from England is where my only option will be.

Leonard Hofstadter

dar83 wrote: »

The news ST is disappointing though. 5 door, Missing a cylinder (:P), looks like a Goldfish.

It's way too soft looking at the front as Standard, in fact the Titanium X Focus looks more aggresive, which is bizarre.

Which garage did you organise the Test Drive with if you don't mind me asking? I'm gonna give one a test drive myself when it's possible to do so, but I would really be looking for an ST3, so looks like Second and in a couple of years and from England is where my only option will be.

The old one was missing a cylinder. The new one is missing two cylinders:D!

You know something, if there was demand for an Astra OPC in Ireland, I'm sure Opel would bring in one.

Unfortunately nobody will buy it, even the old favourite hot hatch of Irish buyers, the Golf GTI, isn't selling now. Even the GTD doesn't seem to be finding itself a lot of buyers either, and they always used to sell a lot of GTIs (relatively speaking) back in the day.

Unfortunately the only cars that are selling in Ireland are poverty spec diesels:rolleyes:!

dar83

captainspeed wrote: »

The old one was missing a cylinder. The new one is missing two cylinders:D!

What made it odd made it appealing!

You just wouldn't get the same sound from a 6 cylinder, or it would sound like most other 6 cylinders. It's only a Focus, it needed something to make it quirky.

Plus it was a throwback to the Audi Quattro S1, which I don't think is missing anything...

knipex

R.O.R wrote: »

And we aren't going to get the 190ps diesel version of the Insignia that's coming in MY13 to the rest of Europe. Price hike over the 160ps would have been circa €3,000 and they can't justify that when it's only €500 from the 130 ---> 160.

Have a 2.0CDTi 165ps SRi GTC on the way to me today, so might have to give that a quick spin to see what it's like to go.

The 130 and 160 are virtually the same engine the 190 is a twin turbo unit. Of course there is going to me more than a €500 premium. I would pay the 3K as the 160 is slightly underpowered and the twin turbo should give a better power curve.

Henry Ford III

dar83 wrote: »

The news ST is disappointing though. 5 door, Missing a cylinder (:P), looks like a Goldfish.

It's way too soft looking at the front as Standard, in fact the Titanium X Focus looks more aggresive, which is bizarre.

Which garage did you organise the Test Drive with if you don't mind me asking? I'm gonna give one a test drive myself when it's possible to do so, but I would really be looking for an ST3, so looks like Second hand in a couple of years and from England is where my only option will be.

5 cylinder lump was great, and sounded fantastic. It was heavy though and had heavy fuel consumption and C02.

New 4 pot is more powerful, and relatively C02 friendly. Won't have the warble though.

I'd prefer not to mention where the car is.

dar83

Henry Ford III wrote: »

5 cylinder lump was great, and sounded fantastic. It was heavy though and had heavy fuel consumption and C02.

New 4 pot is more powerful, and relatively C02 friendly. Won't have the warble though.

I'd prefer not to mention where the car is.

They've actually mimicked the warble close enough with the symposer pipe so it sounds close the Mk2 inside, but unfortunately from outside it just sounds like any other Turbo charged 4 cylinder.

No worries on the car, I have an idea anyway who will have them first so I'll give them a shout myself.

JoeA3

Fizman wrote: »

VW Golf R would be in there too I'd imagine?

Golf R is around the 50k mark!