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Frank Tests Positive at TdF

  • 17-07-2012 6:54pm
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 405 ✭✭


    Here

    ****e, big Frandy fan!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,147 ✭✭✭Morrisseeee


    :eek::eek::eek::eek::pac:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,526 ✭✭✭✭Darkglasses


    For all the good it did him


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,460 ✭✭✭Orizio


    I, for one, am absolutely gobsmacked.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,318 ✭✭✭✭Raam


    I'm not.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,454 ✭✭✭mloc123


    Raam wrote: »
    I'm not.

    You mean those payments to Dr Ferrari may not have been just an average consultation?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,818 ✭✭✭✭retalivity


    So him riding sh1te was all a ruse then??

    have to say though, im pretty surprised by this


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,181 ✭✭✭bryaner


    Tell me who's not on some form of gear and I'll be surprised..


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 405 ✭✭goldencleric


    Well Kolobnev got let off with the same thing so there's hope Frank might escape too - we can only pray.

    <snip>


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 465 ✭✭Undercover Elephant


    Can anyone explain to me what the benefit of taking a diuretic would be?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 405 ✭✭goldencleric


    Can anyone explain to me what the benefit of taking a diuretic would be?

    Make you piss and therefore eliminate traces of whatever drugs you have been taking.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,296 ✭✭✭✭Jawgap


    Why Xipamide - it's a diuretic?

    EDIT: The trunked one beat me to it!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,818 ✭✭✭✭retalivity


    twitter saying radioshack have kicked him off the tour


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 405 ✭✭goldencleric


    Plausible that it is from a supplement/ medicine as well of course.

    Kolobnev's story.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,668 ✭✭✭✭ednwireland


    http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2012/jul/17/tour-de-france-frank-schleck
    The Luxembourg rider Frank Schleck has failed a doping test, taken on July 14, for the banned diuretic Xipamide, cycling's governing body the UCI has said.

    Xipamide is a sulfonamide used for the treatment of oedema, fluid retention and hypertension.

    "Earlier today, the UCI advised the Luxembourger rider Frank Schleck of an adverse analytical finding (presence of the diuretic Xipamide …) in the urine sample collected from him at an in competition test at the Tour de France on 14 July 2012," the UCI said in a statement.
    retalivity wrote: »
    twitter saying radioshack have kicked him off the tour

    wonder if they will pay him now ?

    http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/schleck-cancellara-complained-to-uci-about-non-payment-team-owner-confirms

    My weather

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 465 ✭✭Undercover Elephant


    Make you piss and therefore eliminate traces of whatever drugs you have been taking.
    Does that work? I can understand how that would flush out an excess, but if the real dope is still effective then you must still be metabolising it. Unless you're just hoping to cut the quantity down enough that it doesn't show.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,296 ✭✭✭✭Jawgap


    Diuretics as masking agents

    ".....to mask the ingestion of other doping agents by reducing their concentration in urine. This effect may be accomplished either by increasing the urine volume, or by increasing the urinary pH"

    The articles seems to suggest they are used for a wide range of products, but mostly for stimulants.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,833 ✭✭✭niceonetom


    As far as I know, diuretics aren't performance enhancing (aside from the weight-loss effect of peeing) but are used as a masking agent and to speed the flushing of other banned substances from the body. I think it might be possible to use them to manipulate blood values too to hide the effects of micro-dosing from the blood passport system.

    From now on I'll mentally be referring to Andy as "the other shoe".


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,386 ✭✭✭lennymc


    nico moves up one place.

    fairly shocking tho.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,318 ✭✭✭✭Raam


    there's hope Frank might escape too - we can only pray.

    Eh, no! You've read about him, right? Of course, maybe you are being facetious, in which case, well played sir, you got me.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 142 ✭✭One_Time


    We're all avoiding the important issue here - will anyone with him in their fantasy tour team get his points stripped from them?

    Cos the guy in front of me in my league has him on his team :P


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,296 ✭✭✭✭Jawgap


    Here's another paper....

    The abuse of diuretics as performance-enhancing drugs and masking agents in sport doping: pharmacology, toxicology and analysis

    This bit might interesting....

    "It is important to note that the diuretics most abused by athletes (furosemide, hydrochlorothiazide and triamterene) have a short half-life and are therefore undetectable in urine if samples are not collected within 24–48 h after the last administration."

    Although, you'd wonder why take something like that during the race......

    "Caldwell et al. performed a diuretic-induced cycling workload reduction study to assess the effects of hypohydration on cycle ergometer performance. In this study, VO2 max (maximum oxygen uptake) and workload while cycling decrease in athletes after furosemide intake. Even after rehydration, muscular endurance and performance are greatly compromised by diuretic use."


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,151 ✭✭✭furiousox


    retalivity wrote: »
    twitter saying radioshack have kicked him off the tour

    Johan Bruyneel takes a very dim view of that kind of thing.

    CPL 593H



  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,006 ✭✭✭donfers


    :pac:


    EducatedMonkey ‏@EducatedMonkey for a guy on illegal substances #frankschleck has had a pretty ordinary #tourdefrance - giving a bad name to honest dopers out there


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Regional South East Moderators Posts: 11,394 Mod ✭✭✭✭Captain Havoc


    Please don't quote full articles, one paragraph only plus link

    https://ormondelanguagetours.com

    Walking Tours of Kilkenny in English, French or German.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Regional South East Moderators Posts: 11,394 Mod ✭✭✭✭Captain Havoc


    bryaner wrote: »
    Tell me who's not on some form of gear and I'll be surprised..

    I consider this drug speculating, any more and there will be bans

    https://ormondelanguagetours.com

    Walking Tours of Kilkenny in English, French or German.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,668 ✭✭✭✭ednwireland


    radioshack nissan trek statement

    http://www.radioshacknissantrek.com/news/frank-schleck-statement
    Our team attaches great value to transparency. Because of these values, we can announce the following as a response to the adverse analytical finding of xipamide in Fränk Schleck's urine sample of July 14 during the Tour de France.

    After being informed by the UCI about the presence of xipamide in the urine sample of Fränk Schleck on July 14, the team has decided to immediately withdraw Fränk Schleck from the Tour de France.

    Even though an abnormal A sample does not require these measures, Mr. Schleck and the team believe this is the right thing to do, to ensure the Tour de France can go on in calm and that Fränk Schleck can prepare his defense in accordance with the legal timing to do so.

    On the subject of xipamide the team can declare the following: it is not a product that is present in any of the medicine that the team uses and the reason for the presence of xipamide in the urine sample of Mr. Schleck is unclear to the team. Therefore, the team is not able to explain the adverse findings at this point.

    However, the team is fully determined to collaborate with the anti-doping agencies in order to resolve the matter.

    i'm guessing i can quote all of this (or i'm going to get sherlocked :o )

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,952 ✭✭✭funnights74


    I consider this drug speculating, any more and there will be bans

    Take a look on the CYCLING NEWS page in face book and no such speculative comments exists. Freedom of speech well and truly rules the roosts there and every comment under the sun is being posted about the schlecks and everyone they have had anything to do with. Their legal team will have a field day if these allegations prove untrue.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,981 ✭✭✭Diarmuid


    Frank Schleck cheating? Shocking


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,278 ✭✭✭kenmc


    aye, whodathunkit?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 236 ✭✭dermur


    If I were him I'd be asking Ferrari for my money back.


  • Administrators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 78,456 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Beasty


    Freedom of speech well and truly rules the roosts there
    ... but not here. The site owners determine policy (in conjunction with some of the senior guys who you will see on site). They have put in place rules that require us to stop any unsubstantiated allegations of this nature

    This policy is not something for discussion here. Any questions PM me


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 546 ✭✭✭elduggo


    dermur wrote: »
    If I were him I'd be asking Ferrari for my money back.

    was it not Fuentes he was found to be sending money to?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,365 ✭✭✭Lusk Doyle


    bryaner wrote: »
    Tell me who's not on some form of gear and I'll be surprised..

    I consider this drug speculating, any more and there will be bans

    If the whole boards thing goes tits up for you, there's always the chance of a job at the CAS for you. They'd eat up that sort of insight to prove cases ;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 236 ✭✭dermur


    elduggo wrote: »
    was it not Fuentes he was found to be sending money to?

    Yup - you're right.

    What'll be very interesting is how the peloton in general and Wiggins in particular reacts to this.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,414 ✭✭✭Bunnyhopper


    The Fuentes payments always looked dodgy, but what surprises me is that he might get caught out now, after all that.
    bryaner wrote: »
    Tell me who's not on some form of gear and I'll be surprised..

    Of course they're all using some form of gear. Derailleurs have been standard in the peloton for decades :D


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,917 ✭✭✭✭GT_TDI_150


    Bruyneel's team have a rider caught for doping?!?!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 135 ✭✭shoxter


    The whole RNT team is a joke, Bruyneel not getting on with the Schlecks, dropping Horner for the tour then reinstating him, the payment problems and now this. A lot of throwing the dummy out of the pram from Frank and Andy this year, something going on behind the scenes for a while now.The press release is basically cutting him loose, goodbye Radioshack?


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 11,669 Mod ✭✭✭✭RobFowl


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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 11,669 Mod ✭✭✭✭RobFowl




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 192 ✭✭paulieb2006


    Personally I am SHOCKED. He has had a tough year, not wanting to do the Giro and then crashing out of it. Andy not doing the Tour! Problems a plenty with RSNT team.
    One for the Conspiricy Theorists (has to be spelt wrong :D) though, whats the chances of someone contaminating his Biddon! Someone who he doesent get on with, someone who is under a bit or a lot of pressure from USADA. Might just take the spotlight away from him to try and sort out his own problems!!!!!! I am sure Xipamide is easily gotten in most chemists!!!!


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,207 ✭✭✭decisions


    Will this have any effect on the overall team classification?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,104 ✭✭✭alfalad


    Question for those in the know, it seems accepted that there are no real performance enhancing benefit to Xipamide (correct me if wrong) but it's primary use is as a masking agent. So does it only mask what ever it's masking in urine or does it also mask in blood? As in if someone had a blood sample taken instead of urine would they be caught out? Or is it a case of some drugs would only be detected in urine and not blood?

    Just to be clear asking a general question not saying that Frank was taking anything else, just trying to get an understanding. Maybe Frank likes to pee a lot.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,924 ✭✭✭wonderfullife


    maybe bit of a stupid question but this stuff is hardly over the counter in chemist type stuff is it?! Xipamide? And i can't see him getting it on prescription, so he has to get it somewhere.....

    ahhhh it's just sad, i like Frank!! liked anyway!

    Sad timing, it'll cast a shadow on the best stage tomorrow and the whole tour now.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,924 ✭✭✭wonderfullife


    decisions wrote: »
    Will this have any effect on the overall team classification?

    well yeah it'll drop them back a little, time wise, but still 1st overall afaik.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,512 ✭✭✭Sundy


    No surprises really. I have never trusted Schleck since his new of the payment came out. Many people over looked it because they were too distracted in witch hunting Lance and Contador.

    Glad he has been caught.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 159 ✭✭witty username


    Happy days, Nico up to 12th...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,718 ✭✭✭AstraMonti


    I would be very interested to see what Andy has to say...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,176 ✭✭✭Idleater


    Was watching a programme on bbc4 last night about the ben Johnson era up to the seoul Olympics. Interesting hearing from the athletes about how the (perceived) gap between their own performance and that of their rivals affected them.
    The LA Olympic medical centre wondering why they had so many water instead of urine samples thanks to the diuretics was "funny".


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 191 ✭✭bbolger


    Never been a fan of either of the the Schlecks tbh, but the UCI aren't doing much better in their handling of this (and most other cases) as per usual...

    http://inrng.com/2012/07/schleck-uci-vs-uci-rulebook/
    The rules vary depending on the class of banned substance discovered but let’s cut to the chase: tonight Franck Schleck has the right to stay in the race because if his A-sample is positive, his B-sample has yet to be tested. The UCI is using exactly the same wording as it deployed last year when Russia’s Sacha Kolobnev tested positive.

    The call that Radioshack-Nissan takes “the necessary steps to enable the Tour de France to continue in serenity” (identical wording was used with the Kolobnev case last year) is an open call for him leave the race. It is astonishing to see the governing body calling for its own rules and due process to be suspended.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 514 ✭✭✭jinkypolly


    The UCI once again showing themselves for the idiots they are. Breaking their own rules for a bit of grandstanding to show 'hey look at us, we really are fighting against doping'. Why was this announced and why before a B test are they pressuring teams to withdraw a rider from the tdf. Now a lot of people don't like Franck Schleck for one reason or another but whether that's the case or not he is still entitled to due process.


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