Nobodys perfect.

kneemos

So why do we give criminals such a hard time.They should do the time of course but often they are victims of circumstance as well.A lot of us might do the same in thier shoes.

davet82

Nobodys perfect.

Pfffft.... speak for yourself :rolleyes:

krudler

Serious lack of good trolls in AH these days.

westendgirlie

kneemos wrote: »

So why do we give criminals such a hard time.They should do the time of course but often they are victims of circumstance as well.A lot of us might do the same in thier shoes.

Fess up OP. Were you naughty over the weekend?

dan1895

Pobody's nerfect

Jesus Shaves

kneemos wrote: »

So why do we give criminals such a hard time.They should do the time of course but often they are victims of circumstance as well.A lot of us might do the same in thier shoes.

Not true, a lot of us wouldn't go around stabbing people at a concert, a lot of us wouldn't rob cars to use for burglaries, a lot of us wouldn't sell drugs, a lot of us wouldn't murder our mothers partner and then cut off his head.

You're wrong

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

In before every someone unleshes the pinko, liberal, bleeding heart, PC rhetoric. And Bill O'Reilly.

dan1895

kneemos wrote: »

So why do we give criminals such a hard time.They should do the time of course but often they are victims of circumstance as well.A lot of us might do the same in thier shoes.

If anything thing they're not given a hard enough time

Scioch

Ikky Poo2 wrote: »

In before every someone unleshes the pinko, liberal, bleeding heart, PC rhetoric. And Bill O'Reilly.

Man Fcuk Bill O'Reilly.

saiint

Yes your right
because when a person rapes a women and does the time
of course hes a victim because of his mental state, we should all feel sorry for the criminal who raped a women
same if a person shoots another person killing that person
we should still feel sorry for that murderer because hes a victim because he wasnt in his right mind when killing the other person.
Nobodys perfect
but still theirs more people who are not perfect and not killing/raping/abusing anyone then their are killing/raping/abusing anyone

speedboatchase

kneemos wrote: »

So why do we give criminals such a hard time.They should do the time of course but often they are victims of circumstance as well.A lot of us might do the same in thier shoes.

Cultural relavitism - the foe of individual responsibility and critical thought.

theteal

krudler wrote: »

Serious lack of good trolls in AH these days.

victims of circumstance really

allibastor

if given the chance i would shoot everyone of you who looked at me cock-eyed.

and whats al this crap about tolerance and forgiveness i hear all the time, what a load.

Ms.M

Do we give criminals a hard time? In what way?

Lumbo

allibastor wrote: »

if given the chance i would shoot everyone of you who looked at me cock-eyed.

and whats al this crap about tolerance and forgiveness i hear all the time, what a load.

What if the person had a lazy eye?

kneemos

speedboatchase wrote: »

Cultural relavitism - the foe of individual responsibility and critical thought.

Did'nt say it was acceptable, I said they should do time.

allibastor

Lumbo wrote: »

What if the person had a lazy eye?

well, now, i don't know if i would be able to medically examine him at the time, though best to be safe and not sorry and shoot him anyway. i don't buy into this whole what-if thing.

Dravokivich

kneemos wrote: »

So why do we give criminals such a hard time.They should do the time of course but often they are victims of circumstance as well.A lot of us might do the same in thier shoes.

Yeah, if only they didn't break into someone's house / shop, hold up a securtiy team transferring money, deal drugs they'd be fine standing memebers of soceity, but because they found themselves in such circumstances...

No wait sorry, but because they were found by others to be envolved in such activities, we give them a hard time. If there's 1 thing I don't like it's being inconvienced by others. And has happened to me too much by bikes being knicked when I was younger and parts off my bikes being knicked over the last few years. If you are going to be such a pain in the arse to soceity, expect soceity to be a pain in the arse to you, IMO.

super_furry

AH trolling is a lost art.

kneemos

Ms.M wrote: »

Do we give criminals a hard time? In what way?

If society regards you as a scumbag and a lowlife you don't have much to live up to .

Dravokivich

kneemos wrote: »

If society regards you as a scumbag and a lowlife you don't have much to live up to .

I form my opinion based on how one presents themselves. If they are to act as a scumbag and a lowlife, then I'll consider them as such. I'm fairly sure that'd be how most people take to it as well.

kneemos

Dravokivich wrote: »

I form my opinion based on how one presents themselves. If they are to act as a scumbag and a lowlife, then I'll consider them as such. I'm fairly sure that'd be how most people take to it as well.

Thus perpetuating the problem.

Dravokivich

kneemos wrote: »

Thus perpetuating the problem.

Only if you completely missunderstood what I said.

talla10

Your right OP!! At long last we have someone who is prepared to speak out against the injustice against the lawless minority!!

Lets start by giving them free housing....free medical care...free money...free travel....no jail sentences....

Bad Panda

In keeping with the OP's tone, I'd just like to state that I'm unemployed, I've no intention of getting a job (sure why would I?) as I can live very comfortably on state benefits and take a couple of holidays a year all thanks to you, the tax payer.

Next trolling thread please.

RobbieTheRobber

saiint wrote: »

Yes your right
because when a person rapes a women and does the time
of course hes a victim because of his mental state, we should all feel sorry for the criminal who raped a women
same if a person shoots another person killing that person
we should still feel sorry for that murderer because hes a victim because he wasnt in his right mind when killing the other person.
Nobodys perfect
but still theirs more people who are not perfect and not killing/raping/abusing anyone then their are killing/raping/abusing anyone

Rape and murder do not make anything near the majority of crimes committed they are very much minority crimes.
So basing how we deal with criminals and citing these as examples of criminality to justify your point is well pointless.

erin1977

Lumbo wrote: »

What if the person had a lazy eye?

Or cross eyed?? Better hope he doesn't run across any visually impaired folks! lol

Nailz

Well it really does depend on what the crime is to be honest, and if it's done a numerous amount of times. I don't really care a lot for "social circumstance" in cases of major or full-time crime, it's just bullshit excuses.

kneemos

I think if society embraced criminals rather than shunning them we would get a better result.

Bad Panda

kneemos wrote: »

I think if society embraced criminals rather than shunning them we would get a better result.

If I broke into your house and beat your wife/girlfriend/mother and stabbed you in the leg, would give me a hug?

Mena

kneemos wrote: »

I think if society embraced criminals rather than shunning them we would get a better result.

That's a pretty meaningless statement. What do you mean exactly, in practical terms by embracing them, and then getting a better result?

erin1977

kneemos wrote: »

I think if society embraced criminals rather than shunning them we would get a better result.

Makes me want to go out and snuggle a pedophile!!

kneemos

Bad Panda wrote: »

If I broke into your house and beat your wife/girlfriend/mother and stabbed you in the leg, would give me a hug?

As I said in my op I would lock you up.

allibastor

erin1977 wrote: »

Or cross eyed?? Better hope he doesn't run across any visually impaired folks! lol

better not.just in keeping the general non-sense of the thread and all.

Stiffler2

kneemos wrote: »

So why do we give criminals such a hard time.They should do the time of course but often they are victims of circumstance as well.A lot of us might do the same in thier shoes.

I think society is mixed up, imo the criminals ( big time one's ) are the smart ones, we are the stupid ones.

Think about it, we work hard all our lives, pay tax for a house the size of shoebox, lucky if we have €100 to spend at the weekend, tied down to the man and the law and on the radar.

At least criminals don't work, don't pay tax, stick their fingers up at "the man" and the good ones have more cash than you will see in your lifetime.

So ask yourself, who are the real fools


Think for youself people, don't be sheep, don't think or be what society wants you to be.

Personally I wish I was a criminal, a big one though, like Gilligan or The General

my 2 cents

minidazzler

kneemos wrote: »

So why do we give criminals such a hard time.They should do the time of course but often they are victims of circumstance as well.A lot of us might do the same in thier shoes.

The majority of people who come before the courts more than once are regular offenders who keep committing crimes and keep getting away with it just because they are all apparently victims of such "circumstance". Sometimes a scumbag is just a scumbag.

kneemos

Mena wrote: »

That's a pretty meaningless statement. What do you mean exactly, in practical terms by embracing them, and then getting a better result?

Mental illness is huge issue amongst criminals.That could be dealt with much more effectively.Also self policing is not impossible.

RobbieTheRobber

minidazzler wrote: »

The majority of people who come before the courts more than once are regular offenders who keep committing crimes and keep getting away with it just because they are all apparently victims of such "circumstance". Sometimes a scumbag is just a scumbag.

So your a proponent of Cesare Lombroso then.
Should we just go back to measuring skulls to see who is a scumbag who is not?

Kolido

Bad Panda wrote: »

If I broke into your house and beat your wife/girlfriend/mother and stabbed you in the leg, would give me a hug?

A bear hug

kneemos

If you think what we are doing at the moment is working then there is no need to change.

kneemos

Self policing works among Irish football fans,it has also worked in Dublin in moving out drug dealers.

emul8ter25

dan1895 wrote: »

If anything thing they're not given a hard enough time

Winner.

Criminals just keep on committing crimes because they know if they get caught the punishment is a joke....

in this country that is.

kneemos

emul8ter25 wrote: »

Winner.

Criminals just keep on committing crimes because they know if they get caught the punishment is a joke....

in this country that is.

You get your hands cut off in some countries but people still steal.How harsh do you want to go.?

crazy cabbage

HOLD ON A MIN

Rant mode on

A study was done in New Zeland (i think) where they studied a group of indivuadles from birth to there 20's and they could ididentifie a genetic mutation - an abnormal gene - which did have a strong relation to the predisposition to commit violence but only if the individual had also been subjected to sever child abuse.

In other words a child with this abnormal gene whould be no more likely to be violent than people with normal genes as long as they weren't abused as children.

I am not saying that violence in genetic. That is silly. I am saying that there is a genetic contribution to how an organism responds to enviroment.

So if you accept this you begin to realise that when a terrible crime is commited that it is generaly that fault of society. (where society is the enviroment that the child grew up in)

In my view that is two types of crinimals:
!st = ones that do something 'bad' in the heat of the moment.
2nd = And ones that will continously do bad things

1st
There was a case resenctly enough (wont say names) where a man murdered a women he was having an affair with. Now while that is terrible and makes me sick it also has to be said that he thought that she was going to come out and tell everyone about it. He acted in self interested. He stood to loose his wife and kids. Now while i am not condoning anything and he done an truly terrible thing he still was in an horrible choice.
It is easy for us to take the morral high ground when we were never faced with a chooice like that. However it has to be said he had no history or violence and would likly never commite a crime again. He done a terrible thing, yes, but was a victim of circumstance.

2nd
Watched a documentry recently about the prison system in america (will have a look for it now). There was one person in there who had raped and tourchered and murdered lots of people. Really really horrible to hear aboout it. But then the presenter started asking him about his past and he told them he was in and out of jail/young offenders since he was 11 (ish forget exatly). He was also abused as a child by his patents. When you look at it like that we (being society) failed that young person. He was raised wrong and society ****ed up. he should have been taken aside as a teenager and thought properly instead of left where he was where small crimes slowly became bigger and bigger until he was raping and murdering people.

No one is born 'bad'. Anyone who becomes 'bad' it is the fault/ faliours of society that ultamatly lead them to becoming bad.

emul8ter25

kneemos wrote: »

You get your hands cut off in some countries but people still steal.How harsh do you want to go.?

harsh enough so that the punishment is actually a discouragement to doing the same thing again.

right now its not.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

kneemos wrote: »

If you think what we are doing at the moment is working then there is no need to change.

The problem is that what we do doesn't work, so people wnat to do it more! Jail doesn't work? Build more jails!

crazy cabbage wrote: »

HOLD ON A MIN

Rant mode on

A study was done in New Zeland (i think) where they studied a group of indivuadles from birth to there 20's and they could ididentifie a genetic mutation - an abnormal gene - which did have a strong relation to the predisposition to commit violence but only if the individual had also been subjected to sever child abuse.

In other words a child with this abnormal gene whould be no more likely to be violent than people with normal genes as long as they weren't abused as children.

I am not saying that violence in genetic. That is silly. I am saying that there is a genetic contribution to how an organism responds to enviroment.

So if you accept this you begin to realise that when a terrible crime is commited that it is generaly that fault of society. (where society is the enviroment that the child grew up in)

In my view that is two types of crinimals:
!st = ones that do something 'bad' in the heat of the moment.
2nd = And ones that will continously do bad things

1st
There was a case resenctly enough (wont say names) where a man murdered a women he was having an affair with. Now while that is terrible and makes me sick it also has to be said that he thought that she was going to come out and tell everyone about it. He acted in self interested. He stood to loose his wife and kids. Now while i am not condoning anything and he done an truly terrible thing he still was in an horrible choice.
It is easy for us to take the morral high ground when we were never faced with a chooice like that. However it has to be said he had no history or violence and would likly never commite a crime again. He done a terrible thing, yes, but was a victim of circumstance.

2nd
Watched a documentry recently about the prison system in america (will have a look for it now). There was one person in there who had raped and tourchered and murdered lots of people. Really really horrible to hear aboout it. But then the presenter started asking him about his past and he told them he was in and out of jail/young offenders since he was 11 (ish forget exatly). He was also abused as a child by his patents. When you look at it like that we (being society) failed that young person. He was raised wrong and society ****ed up. he should have been taken aside as a teenager and thought properly instead of left where he was where small crimes slowly became bigger and bigger until he was raping and murdering people.

No one is born 'bad'. Anyone who becomes 'bad' it is the fault/ faliours of society that ultamatly lead them to becoming bad.

I think some people are born with or find it hard to develpp a sense of right and wrong, but it is rare. The problem is that it's soooo easy just to attach that label to everyone who commits a crime. Far easier than to take a step back, do some research, and actually find otu what the root causes of crime actually are.

No way in hell people are going to be able to solve a problem without understandign the problem. And the majority of people who knee-jerk have absolutel no idea what the probelm is and absolutely no interest or effort is made in finding out.

paddyandy

We don't give them a hard enough time;that's why we have so many .Siberia for a year would knock the guff out of them .Not those holiday camps .

crazy cabbage

paddyandy wrote: »

We don't give them a hard enough time;that's why we have so many .Siberia for a year would knock the guff out of them .Not those holiday camps .

Giving them a harder time is defently not the right thing to do. Please read my post on prevouse page. Actully no. I will get it for you.

crazy cabbage wrote: »

HOLD ON A MIN

Rant mode on

A study was done in New Zeland (i think) where they studied a group of indivuadles from birth to there 20's and they could ididentifie a genetic mutation - an abnormal gene - which did have a strong relation to the predisposition to commit violence but only if the individual had also been subjected to sever child abuse.

In other words a child with this abnormal gene whould be no more likely to be violent than people with normal genes as long as they weren't abused as children.

I am not saying that violence in genetic. That is silly. I am saying that there is a genetic contribution to how an organism responds to enviroment.

So if you accept this you begin to realise that when a terrible crime is commited that it is generaly that fault of society. (where society is the enviroment that the child grew up in)

In my view that is two types of crinimals:
!st = ones that do something 'bad' in the heat of the moment.
2nd = And ones that will continously do bad things

1st
There was a case resenctly enough (wont say names) where a man murdered a women he was having an affair with. Now while that is terrible and makes me sick it also has to be said that he thought that she was going to come out and tell everyone about it. He acted in self interested. He stood to loose his wife and kids. Now while i am not condoning anything and he done an truly terrible thing he still was in an horrible choice.
It is easy for us to take the morral high ground when we were never faced with a chooice like that. However it has to be said he had no history or violence and would likly never commite a crime again. He done a terrible thing, yes, but was a victim of circumstance.

2nd
Watched a documentry recently about the prison system in america (will have a look for it now). There was one person in there who had raped and tourchered and murdered lots of people. Really really horrible to hear aboout it. But then the presenter started asking him about his past and he told them he was in and out of jail/young offenders since he was 11 (ish forget exatly). He was also abused as a child by his patents. When you look at it like that we (being society) failed that young person. He was raised wrong and society ****ed up. he should have been taken aside as a teenager and thought properly instead of left where he was where small crimes slowly became bigger and bigger until he was raping and murdering people.

No one is born 'bad'. Anyone who becomes 'bad' it is the fault/ faliours of society that ultamatly lead them to becoming bad.

Giving them a harder time is not going to slove anything

paddyandy

There is no crime in some parts of the world because they don't tolerate it .

gaffer91

I think is well documented by now that the conditions in Mountjoy are an absolute disgrace. Overcrowding, sleeping on filthy floors, "slopping out" and son are simply unacceptable in the year 2012. Yes these guys are criminals but they are still people and we must treat them with at least a certain amount of respect and dignity.

crazy cabbage

paddyandy wrote: »

There is no crime in some parts of the world because they don't tolerate it .

There is no crime in some parts of the world becouse people are brought up in a an enviroment which also has no crime.