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(Article) Think hardware: Ireland’s master plan to generate 20,000 new jobs
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13-07-2012 12:30PM#1
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General Atomic wrote: »Enterprise Ireland and other funding agencies have been granted a lot of money in order to stimulate indigenous industries. I'm part of a start-up that will be receiving matching funds from them with very favorable conditions attached. There is support out there for home-grown companies but you do need to seek it out and go through some red tape.
Agreed.. but matching grants etc. do require equal funding from other sources.. Getting technological funding from banks or investors in Ireland I would imagine would be somewhat complicated and slow hence why i imagine Mr. Casey is in SV where investor funding is far more readily available... you won't see 20K jobs 6 months from now here..
(I should clarify, I have never attempted to secure external funding for designs, and I have no interest in that particular path, I am happy with the invention side alone... but there are enough good companies failing recently due to restricted funding that I imagine it's a slow and complicated process if even achievable)
Edit - Meant to say.. Best of luck with the new venture
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I'd rather the government focus on creating an environment conducive to indigenous growth, not necessarily directly funding enterprises. For example, provide incentives for people to start their own business, like welfare supports in the event that the business doesn’t work out for example, so people are more inclined to take a risk. Also, get rid of the absolutely ridiculous criteria that need to be fulfilled in order to secure a work permit to attract more talented individuals to the country.
I think most people will agree that most elements need to be somewhat in place for such a colossal ramp in hardware manufacturing to take place in such a short space, especially if you are going to manu. new indigenous designs and not just have a price war with India/China to manufacture multinational designs.
Article wise, maybe it's me but it was a bit disappointing that it stated master plan, but then no mention what that actual plan was.. Just that we could.. possibly.. maybe :cool:
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Maybe this is a topic for another thread
but what effect will 3-D printing on manufacturing in Ireland and Europe.
for job creation and larg-scale manufacturing in Ireland
Do these machines off-set the cheap labour costs for many products?
See this short demo here on youtube for what I am on about (i.e. 3-D printing)
If anyone is aware of another thread somewhere on Boards.ie please direct me.
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Cork boy 55 wrote: »Maybe this is a topic for another thread
but what effect will 3-D printing on manufacturing in Ireland and Europe.
for job creation and larg-scale manufacturing in Ireland
Do these machines off-set the cheap labour costs for many products?
See this short demo here on youtube for what I am on about (i.e. 3-D printing)
If anyone is aware of another thread somewhere on Boards.ie please direct me.
Ha ha!
Yes, I think you need to find another thread for spoof and FunTheory videos
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golfwallah wrote: »Ha ha!
Yes, I think you need to find another thread for spoof and FunTheory videos.
It's real enough, HP (among others) have a product: http://www8.hp.com/uk/en/products/3d-printers/index.html0 -
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Cork boy 55 wrote: »Maybe this is a topic for another thread
but what effect will 3-D printing on manufacturing in Ireland and Europe.
for job creation and larg-scale manufacturing in Ireland
Do these machines off-set the cheap labour costs for many products?
See this short demo here on youtube for what I am on about (i.e. 3-D printing)
If anyone is aware of another thread somewhere on Boards.ie please direct me.
That's been around for about 6 years, while impressive it typically only prints one thing and is a lot more expensive and time consuming than traditional moulding methods.
As a poster above said, 2 key things that need to be addressed in Ireland to encourage entrepreneurship are some sort of welfare scheme for entrepreneurs if their venture fails and secondly a large change in bankruptcy legislation. 2-3 years is sufficient, not 12.0 -
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Cork boy 55 wrote: »Maybe this is a topic for another thread
but what effect will 3-D printing on manufacturing in Ireland and Europe.
for job creation and larg-scale manufacturing in Ireland
Do these machines off-set the cheap labour costs for many products?
See this short demo here on youtube for what I am on about (i.e. 3-D printing)
If anyone is aware of another thread somewhere on Boards.ie please direct me.
They'll certainly have an impact in Ireland, I think - we have a surprising amount of medical prosthetics manufacturing here:Medical Device Sector in Ireland
Ireland has been extremely successful in developing an internationally renowned centre for medical technology, with over 250 companies currently developing and manufacturing medical devices. These companies employ approx 26,000 people and export medical products amounting to approximately €6 billion per annum, which represent 9% of Ireland’s total exports. A recent Government survey has shown that 80% of the companies in the sector are “innovation active.” Despite the current economic climate the Irish Medtech sector continued to do well in 2010. IBEC's most recent sector sentiment and investment survey showed that confidence in the future is high and two thirds of medical technology companies expect turnover to increase in 2012.
Fifteen of the world’s top 20 medical technologies (devices and diagnostics) companies are located in Ireland, including Abbott, Hospira, Medtronic, J&J, Baxter, Boston Scientific and Stryker.
I would suspect that prosthetics is exactly the kind of manufacturing sector that will be hit by 3D printing, because (from the point of view of the patient) you're ideally looking at personalised devices, which means manufacturing runs of one.
cordially,
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I think most people will agree that most elements need to be somewhat in place for such a colossal ramp in hardware manufacturing to take place in such a short space, especially if you are going to manu. new indigenous designs and not just have a price war with India/China to manufacture multinational designs.
Article wise, maybe it's me but it was a bit disappointing that it stated master plan, but then no mention what that actual plan was.. Just that we could.. possibly.. maybe :cool:
Watch this space i guess
It's about people being willing to jump out of their secure but restrained jobs in multinationals and having the initiative and ambition to strike forward into the unknown themselves. I think it's a cultural thing more than anything. This can of course can be helped along with the right incentives and the willingness of investors to make riskier but more lucrative bets.
In this sense the relative lack of downsizing among multinationals has actually hampered indigineous growth, such as happened following the failure of Digital in Galway decades ago. Maybe if Boston Scientific was to collapse you could have a real explosion of new businesses!
In some Asian countries the culture is very much about being your own boss, due to lack of good benefits and working conditions and the veneration that bosses are held in, being your own boss is a pretty good thing to go for!
It's my impression that a lot of start-ups in Ireland are dominated by academics who hold onto their day job, they bring the technology to fruition and then sell out to multinationals, who then transfer the IP and core technology overseas. The academics keep their day job and get a big pay day, they are happy with that.
The above discussions also highlight the usual idea in Ireland that you invent the product or make the product and it kind of sells itself. It doesn't work like that in the real world. Sales and marketing skills and understanding of global channels are pretty poor , one of the reasons again being that the multinationals mainly manufacture products in Ireland rather than focus on sales and business development. Yes there are sales offices sometimes, but not always, often it seems to be customer support back-office type functions.0 -
Looking at the point above - yes, I think you're right, there shouldn't be a price war between ireland and Asian countries. We just can't compete on that. What we can compete on is design, quality, lean manufacturing skills, our geographic position and our people.
We also need to bring back "big industry" but in a more collaborative fashion. I feel there is a culture of "dont steal my marbles" in ireland which is prohibiting large companies from setting up here. Take the car industry - thats big industry right? Ireland would be able to manage building a car if a manufacturing consortium, lead by a manufacturing entity thats familiar with big industry, would steer and allocate different parts of the job to different companies.
We could hire French/German/UK/US consultants that have better large industry knowledge than us - lets poach some and bring them over here, HYUNDAI style. All we'd need is to find a car manufacturer that would be willing to set up over here. Not too big, not too small, maybe someone like Tesla?
I visited the Audi factory in Ingolstadt and i was shocked to see how many suppliers they have. The industrial estate where the suppliers are is nearly 2/3 bigger than the Audi factory. Audi just put everything together and press the metal for the body and do the painting. So you have hundreds of suppliers, sometimes doing the same thing, working collaboratively on a larger project. Distance isn't a thing either - at Audi the motors are made in the Czech republic and shipped overnight to Ingolstadt to be assembled the next day. I takes roughly 7 hours to go from Donegal to Cork - I see everything converging to Cork (cos of the port) and then shipping out...0 -
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