Homeland - Season 2 [Showtime - US] **Spoilers!**

Richard Dower

Very popular program, here and on the net. Deserving of a fresh thread....there are tons of S2 scoops and spoilers in the wild, but lets start with some footage , season 2 promo

http://www.tvguide.com/News/Homeland-Season2-Trailer-1049873.aspx

stevenmu

Tentatively looking forward to this. Really enjoyed the first season, but I'm not sure if a second season can live up to it.

thesultan

First season was amazing

Mr. Guappa

First season was great up until the scene in the bunker.. that was such a let-down.

don ramo

spoiler for the starting point of season 2

“We’re picking up the story about six months later [when Season 2 starts]. [Carrie] is in a very fragile place… She’s sort of convalesced and she’s back in life, but not at the job she’s been working at for her adult life,” Gordon told Access.
So how does Carrie (played by Claire Danes) work her way back into the CIA after being ousted?
“There is a threat of an attack on U.S. soil and there’s a source in the Middle East that will only talk to Carrie,” he revealed.
As for Brody (played by Damian Lewis), he’ll have a new life in the U.S. government.
“His career has emerged in the last six months as a Congressman, and his ascent will continue,” Gordon continued.

sounds interesting, good to know where they plan on starting from, really looking forward to this:)

JP Liz V1

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PMWyw1OpJWk

dfbemt

Getting closer now

Can't frickin wait.........................................

JP Liz V1

Danes is preggers in real life, it would be an interesting twist having Carrie preggers by Brody if it will be written in :cool:

kevin12345

Homeland AND Revenge airing the same day. :eek::D

October 1st cannot come fast enough!

Jax Teller

kevin12345 wrote: »

Homeland AND Revenge airing the same day. :eek::D

October 1st cannot come fast enough!

Dexter is back the same night

tvnutz

Great new trailer

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xh_TPjZJCRc

don ramo

tvnutz wrote: »

Great new trailer

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xh_TPjZJCRc

Cannot wait :D:D:D

fitzcoff

Any clue when this will be shown on RTE?

Richard Dower

2x01 sneak peek: http://www.spoilertv.com/2012/08/homeland-episode-201-smile-sneak-peek.html

Basq

tvnutz wrote: »

Great new trailer

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xh_TPjZJCRc

Fantastic trailer..

.. and promos need more music from Scala - they make everything 100 times more epic!

dfbemt

Some other clips making an appearance

dfbemt

A clip from between Season 1 and Season 2 also available

http://www.spoilertv.com/2012/08/homeland-episode-201-smile-sneak-peek.html

And some more clips from Season 2

http://www.spoilertv.com/2012/08/homeland-season-2-claire-danes-returns.html

More clips at end of the above snippet.

Can't wait, getting closer

Richard Dower

20 minute sneak peak! http://www.spoilertv.com/2012/09/homeland-season-2-20-minute-sneak-peek.html

Mc Love

Some how not able to access that in work for some unknown reason, but thought this is a pretty good clip too:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hP0zwr4RBwc

Basq

I caved and watched the 20 minute preview..

.. went by far too quick - and now gonna wait a week and a half to see the rest!

donnacha

fitzcoff wrote: »

Any clue when this will be shown on RTE?

Its been show Sunday Nights in the US (Sept 30th) and I'm nearly sure RTE had one of their "see it first" ads on last night saying they'll be showing it on Monday Oct 1st though I stand to be corrected. C4 look like they'll be showing it Oct 7th.

fitzcoff

Saw ad for it, and it is starting on the 2nd of October on RTE 2, can't wait

qwabercd

Can't wait for this, great end to the last season (although I thought it went stale fro a couple of episodes in the middle). Not sure why but I love Saul Berenson, class character!

Anyone else think this really should've been a one-season show?

irish son

Deleted User wrote: »

Anyone else think this really should've been a one-season show?

I kind of thought that too but in saying that Im glad its back for a second season because it was my favourite new show of last year. We should probably reserve judgement until after the first few episodes of this year and we see where its going.

Richard Dower

Kicks off....now:

VinLieger

Pretty good opener, really looking forward to the rest of the season.
One problem and its kind of nitpicking but this stuff annoys me is when Estes was talking about the number of predators over Baghdad, 8000-9000? seriously? can we not try for a bit of realism please?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Atomics_MQ-1_Predator

expectationlost

VinLieger wrote: »

Pretty good opener, really looking forward to the rest of the season.
One problem and its kind of nitpicking but this stuff annoys me is when Estes was talking about the number of predators over Baghdad, 8000-9000? seriously? can we not try for a bit of realism please?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Atomics_MQ-1_Predator

they both said predators but he could have meant US drones everywhere

what i found more unplausible was that he got up everynight to pray and his wife never noticed.

FouxDaFaFa

I really liked the first episode. I was worried about how it would be done, but it's given me great hope for the rest of the season now. I'm liking the character of Brody's daughter more and more. She notices so much more than the mother, kind of like a young Carrie. She's going to be extremely important this season.

dfbemt

Yeah, couldn't wait until tomorrow night on Network 2 and had to watch Showtime.

Good opener.

Couldn't understand why Brody

wrote down the code numbers instead of taking a picture with his phone

!!!! Strange one, especially in these technological times.

Looks like the daughter will be huge. She has shown that she has

looked into the whole Muslim thing by helping to bury the Koran

The trailer at the end is always good and the trailer at the end of Episode 1 left me looking forward to next week already.

Episode 1 finished already, only 11 more to go until December 16th. Can't friggin wait........

TwoShedsJackson

dfbemt wrote: »

Couldn't understand why Brody

wrote down the code numbers instead of taking a picture with his phone

!!!! Strange one, especially in these technological times.

They took his phone off him at the security check on his way in, they specifically mentioned it, probably to head off those sorts of questions - can't see a secret agency being too big on camera phones allowed on the premises.

hairybowsie

just don't understand how brody can put the death of nazir's son above his own life and his family. No flashback to him being brainwashed. And now the new series seems to be following the same pattern. No development in character. Where is it heading? He becomes president? And then? Also think references to attacks on iranian nuclear facilities is treading on very sketchy ground.

VinLieger

hairybowsie wrote: »

just don't understand how brody can put the death of nazir's son above his own life and his family. No flashback to him being brainwashed.

He was beaten relentlessly for god knows how long then made to think he killed his squadmate and friend, this pushed him over the edge, then nazir rehabilitated him in his own house basically remade him moulded him into what he wanted and made him think how he wanted and taught how to be a muslim. All the while he grew to love Isa as his own child and when he saw his dead body it was the key to getting him to do whatever Nazir wanted.
If you missed all that i dont know what to tell you

hairybowsie wrote: »

And now the new series seems to be following the same pattern. No development in character. Where is it heading? He becomes president? And then?

Development in character? Did you miss the season 1 finale? He was all set to pop the VP along with most of the US cabinet and didnt due to a call from his daughter, which gave him a slight bit of humanity back. And what the hell does that last bit mean? How do we know where its heading? Wait and see and stop second guessing the plot of the entire series after 1 episode.

hairybowsie wrote: »

Also think references to attacks on iranian nuclear facilities is treading on very sketchy ground.

What? How? Yes it may have been a more physical attack than has ever happened in reality but ever heard of Stuxnet?
Also its only a TV show how is it treading on skecthy ground?

FouxDaFaFa

hairybowsie wrote: »

just don't understand how brody can put the death of nazir's son above his own life and his family.

It's not just that. He came back to a government that, in his mind, gave up on him and is only interested in him now to use him as a poster boy for patriotism. They also lie and joke about drone attacks, like the one Isa was killed in. He probably feels like he was sent to war under false pretences. It hasn't made him love his own family any less, he just wants to send a message to a government he sees as corrupt.

MeIsGod

After watching the first episode of the 2nd season last night i think he should have just blown himself up in the bunker at the end of season one. it would have been a great finish to a great show. ive a feeling they could go all prison break on this and tear the arse out of it, i hope im wrong though.

oxygen

I have to say I was doubtful about a season 2 for this show, but I loved the opening episode. They were able to jump straight in at the deep end, the start of season 1 was fairly slow going tbf

I do think there were enough plot strands to justify carrying this out for a season 2. Im not sure how long it can go on for, but I dont see why they couldnt get 3 or 4 seasons out of it.

Some of the high points from last night where

His daughters understanding of his new belief's.
His wife's lack of understaing about this new belief's, and her kindof valid reasons for this.

Carrie Matteson's wry smile when she knees your man in the nads.
The office scene, I didnt think he was going to do it, and when he did I was on the edge of my seat

So glad he didnt blow himself up at the end of season one, quality tv!

oxygen

Does **spoilers** in the thread mean we need to include them or we can remove them?

Basq

oxygen_temp wrote: »

Does **spoilers** in the thread mean we need to include them or we can remove them?

No need for spoiler tags for anything that has aired in the US, but discussion of promos / leaked plotlines / casting decisions should be in spoiler tags.

gnfnrhead

oxygen_temp wrote: »

The office scene, I didnt think he was going to do it, and when he did I was on the edge of my seat

Same here, I was thinking if I was in that position I'd need three or four visits to get it done. One to find where the safe is, another to open it and find where the file is before the third one being to get the actual info. But that probably wouldn't have been as entertaining

Snickers Man

Deleted User wrote: »

Anyone else think this really should've been a one-season show?

Really worried that this could become this year's Lost. Starting off gripping and thought provoking and in the end disappearing up its own arse with utterly implausible and ridiculous plot lines.

EG A sergeant who has been living in a hole for eight years comes home and within a few months is elected to congress and six months later is a likely VP candidate? Come on.

Also the character development is implausible. Even if you buy into his seething anger at the murderous activity of his own establishment at targeting children in drone strikes, or at least describing them as "being within the acceptable matrix parameters" of legitimate activity, how he goes from attempting a suicide bomb attack on his government to cooly executing his former colleague shortly afterwards (last series) to telling the sleeper in Episode 1 of the new series that "I'm not a terrorist and Nazir is clear about that" is just wrong.

I'll still be glued to it next week, though....:)

tvnutz

Snickers Man wrote: »

EG A sergeant who has been living in a hole for eight years comes home and within a few months is elected to congress and six months later is a likely VP candidate? Come on.

It's been more than a year between seasons, and America likes its heroes,wouldn't be surprised of someone like him getting elected so quickly.

Sure Barack Obama's rise came out of nowhere really.

expectationlost

i don't think the bombing of the iranian sites is beyond imagination seeing a similar stuff has happened and we also had a pow who ran pres and probably could have ran sooner had he not got involved in scandal.

oxygen

expectationlost wrote: »

i don't think the bombing of the iranian sites is beyond imagination seeing a similar stuff has happened and we also had a pow who ran pres and probably could have ran sooner had he not got involved in scandal.

I might have misunderstood your comment, which possible presidential candidate was a POW?

I have to say I was a little bit taken back by the vice presidency story. Not because he was a POW. I dont think the US government or public would be worried about his being turned. But IIRC he doesnt have a great education? He is a soldier who has just been returned from a war zone who has been 8 years cut off completely from current affairs and world politics.

Also I dont think the attacks on Iranian nuclear facilities are at all far fetched. I think its remarkably current for a TV show with a production value that means it needs to be filmed 6-8 months in advance.

TwoShedsJackson

gnfnrhead wrote: »

Same here, I was thinking if I was in that position I'd need three or four visits to get it done. One to find where the safe is, another to open it and find where the file is before the third one being to get the actual info. But that probably wouldn't have been as entertaining

It was a little odd that they could get him the code to the safe, but not tell him where it is.

Dandelion6

Thought it was a bit of a snoozer TBH.

hairybowsie

VinLieger wrote: »

He was beaten relentlessly for god knows how long then made to think he killed his squadmate and friend, this pushed him over the edge, then nazir rehabilitated him in his own house basically remade him moulded him into what he wanted and made him think how he wanted and taught how to be a muslim. All the while he grew to love Isa as his own child and when he saw his dead body it was the key to getting him to do whatever Nazir wanted.
If you missed all that i dont know what to tell you

I didn't miss it - I just don't buy it. Nazir rehabilitated him ... we haven't seen too much of that backstory yet. But surely, while having a huge amount of sympathy for Nazir, his cause and his son .. and maybe actively helping .. it is too much of a stretch (IMO) to believe that he is putting the cause above his own existence and the welfare of his family. Would you kill yourself in memory of someone else's kid and leave your own kids fatherless? Ok .. he is probably mentally unstable .. but if so it doesn't really come through in the episodes (apart from his sitting in the corner for hours and his staring episode in Gettysburg)

On the one hand, he is this devout Muslim and disciplined etc, and on the other hand he is having an affair and drinking alcohol which last time I checked is not part of Islam.

VinLieger wrote: »

Development in character? Did you miss the season 1 finale? He was all set to pop the VP along with most of the US cabinet and didnt due to a call from his daughter, which gave him a slight bit of humanity back. And what the hell does that last bit mean? How do we know where its heading? Wait and see and stop second guessing the plot of the entire series after 1 episode.

Yes .. he gained some humanity back .. but is now back in cahoots again with Nazir. No development.

I think they are making it up as they go along. It would have been better for him to blow himself up and then Carrie would have been proven right. And then the story could moves to another suspect. A new bad guy every season .. bit like Dexter. Don't know how they can stretch this story over multiple seasons. .. and fast tracking him to Vice president already beggars belief.

VinLieger wrote: »

What? How? Yes it may have been a more physical attack than has ever happened in reality but ever heard of Stuxnet?
Also its only a TV show how is it treading on skecthy ground?

Sketchy .. because the situation is already so tense .. looks like the writers are trying to second guess what might happen. Also building a story involving Iran with Nazir is bordering on propaganda. And the infantile discussion about Iran in the church ..
At least the West Wing had the good sense to make up a name for a country and so avoid getting into that.

MagicMarker

hairybowsie wrote: »

I didn't miss it - I just don't buy it. Nazir rehabilitated him ... we haven't seen too much of that backstory yet.

Did you watch any of the 1st season? That backstory was given plenty of air time.

hairybowsie wrote: »

Yes .. he gained some humanity back .. but is now back in cahoots again with Nazir. No development.

Apart from the fact that instead of blowing up the VP, he's now entered into the political ranks in order to influence from within. You know, that whole development thing we finished off last season with, setting us up for season 2? Exactly what were you expecting in the very first episode of the 2nd season?

hairybowsie wrote: »

I think they are making it up as they go along. It would have been better for him to blow himself up and then Carrie would have been proven right. And then the story could moves to another suspect. A new bad guy every season .. bit like Dexter. Don't know how they can stretch this story over multiple seasons. .. and fast tracking him to Vice president already beggars belief..

Of course they're making it up, it's called fiction for a reason. Or do you think they get all the actors together in a big room and then improvise the script? Stop talking nonsense tbh.

astrofool

oxygen_temp wrote: »

I might have misunderstood your comment, which possible presidential candidate was a POW?

John McCain for President and James Stockdale for Vice President.

oxygen

astrofool wrote: »

John McCain for President and James Stockdale for Vice President.

Ah yea, cool, if you take 50 years off Mc Cain he is basically Brody. I suppose a recent POW would gain the sort of notoriety required to be a running mate. Makes the show even a little more believable I think

irish son

hairybowsie wrote: »

I didn't miss it - I just don't buy it. Nazir rehabilitated him ... we haven't seen too much of that backstory yet. But surely, while having a huge amount of sympathy for Nazir, his cause and his son .. and maybe actively helping .. it is too much of a stretch (IMO) to believe that he is putting the cause above his own existence and the welfare of his family. Would you kill yourself in memory of someone else's kid and leave your own kids fatherless? Ok .. he is probably mentally unstable .. but if so it doesn't really come through in the episodes (apart from his sitting in the corner for hours and his staring episode in Gettysburg)

If he didn't agree to do this he would be dead by now already so he owes Nazir his life. Also he is not doing it just for Nazir's son but for all the innocent people over there being killed in American attacks so he is sacrificing himself to hopefully save thousands of lives.

Duck Soup

The whole premise of Homeland was a stretch right from the off - you either bought into it or you didn't. It didn't stop the first season being a barnstormer.

Following on from that, you stay within the logic of the premise you've accepted. If Brody was able to blow up a room of high-ranking brass in the first season, it was because that was the most valuable thing he could do at the time. As a congressman and potential veep candidate in the second season, the same logic applies that he is best used infiltrating the highest echelons. I'd also note in passing that not only was John McCain rumoured to be mentally unstable after his POW experiences, there was also a whispering campaign during his 2007 primaries that he had made a number of broadcasts on behalf of the Viet Cong and that he was something of a Manchurian candidate. Absolute bollocks of course, but a possible pointer to some of the origins of the series.