Legends mod

TheKeenMachine

So basically I'm going to have a lot of free time on my hands over the next couple of months and I've decided to do a legends mod on the Editor. As a Manchester United fan, I've got a fair idea for their squad. Obviously I would know legends from other clubs too but I'd prefer to hear fans of those clubs tell me who they'd like to see. I'll be doing 23 man squads with 2 players in every outfield position and three keepers. For the record, my Manchester United team is as follows:
GK: Schmeichel, Stepney, VDS
RB: Gary Neville, Carey
CB: Bruce, Pallister, Buchan, Foulkes
LB: Irwin, Albiston
CM: Keane, Edwards, Robson, Scholes
RM: Coppell, Best
LM: Giggs, Meredith
ST: Charlton, Law, Cantona, Taylor/Rooney.
Thanks in advance for any feedback.

WilcoOut

brilliant idea, are you looking for ideas on teams for other clubs?

Paul Tergat

Ronaldo for United for start!

EveAlex

Liverpool FC


Retired players only?

GK: Bruce Grobbelaar, Ray Clemence, Jerzy Dudek (for his champions league exploits)
LB: Alan Kennedy, Steve Nicol
RB: Phil Neal, Tommy Smith
CB: Ron Yeates, Alan Hansen, Mark Lawrenson, Emlyn Hughes
LW: Billy Liddel, Steve Highway
CM: Graeme Souness, John Barnes, Jan Molby, Didi Hamann
RW: Ray Kennedy, Ian Callaghan
ST: Kenny Dalglish, Ian Rush, Kevin Keegan, Robbie Fowler (maybe ian st john, roger hunt instead of fowler)

*Gerrard and Reina would make the list only they are currently playing*

JaMarcus Hustle

Eh, George Best?

TheKeenMachine

JaMarcus Hustle wrote: »

Eh, George Best?

Jaysus I knew I forgot someone

@ WilcoOut Yes please

@ Paul Tergat I think I'll put Ronaldo on the Madrid team as he has a better record there

@ EveAlex No not only retired players, thanks for the feedback. Who would you exclude for Gerrard and Reina? Would Ronnie Whelan not make the team?

EveAlex

reina instead of dudek

gerrard instead of hamann

if you were to elect whelan, he would replace either molby or kennedy

WilcoOut

OP,

have you begun your work on the database yet??

hows it going for ya?

TheKeenMachine

WilcoOut wrote: »

OP,

have you begun your work on the database yet??

hows it going for ya?

I'm out of the country until Monday, so I probably won't be starting until Tuesday. However, I have been researching some teams and I think I have both Leeds and Arsenal squads prepared.

PerrinV2

how are you gonna decide on the players stats?
Everyones pretty good

gnfnrhead

TheKeenMachine wrote: »

I'm out of the country until Monday, so I probably won't be starting until Tuesday. However, I have been researching some teams and I think I have both Leeds and Arsenal squads prepared.

For Arsenal you really just need to take the Invincible first 11 and add the likes of Wright, Adams etc to it. I'd imagine Arsenal would be one of the easiest to do. If you wanted I could put up a team sheet of what I'd have done if you want to compare it to yours?

TheKeenMachine

PerrinV2 wrote: »

how are you gonna decide on the players stats?
Everyones pretty good

To be honest, I'm not sure yet whether to make their stats respective of their own abilities, or relative to other legends

@gnfnrhead Your take would be much appreciated. Below is my take, but I'm no expert.

Arsenal


GK: David Seaman, Pat Jennings, Jens Lehmann
RB: Lee Dixon, Pat Rice 
CB: Tony Adams, Martin Keown, Dave O'Leary, Sol Campbell
LB: Nigel Winterburn, Bob McNab
RM: Freddie Ljunberg, Paul Merson
CM: Patrick Viera, Ray Parlour, Liam Brady, Cesc Fabregas
LM: Graham Rix, Marc Overmars
ST: Theirry Henry, Ian Wright, Denis Bergkamp, RVP


Leeds


GK: Nigel Martyn, David Sprake , David Harvey
RB: Paul Reaney, Neil Aspin
CB: John Charles, Norman Hunter, Jack Charlton, Lucas Radebe
LB: Paul Madeley, Terry Cooper
RM: Gordon Strachan, Gary Speed
CM: Billy Bremner, John Giles, Bobby Collins, David Batty
LM: Eddie Gray, Gary McAllister
ST: Peter Lorimer, Allan Clarke, Mick Jones, Joe Jordan

gnfnrhead

I'd definitely have Pires in there, Gilberto too, at the expense of Fabregas or Parlour. Petit and Cole would be in with a shout too.

Pires is the big omission for me. Everyone else you can make an argument either way for.

TheKeenMachine

gnfnrhead wrote: »

I'd definitely have Pires in there, Gilberto too, at the expense of Fabregas or Parlour. Petit and Cole would be in with a shout too.

Pires is the big omission for me. Everyone else you can make an argument either way for.

Thanks for the feedback. Completely forgot about Pires, who should I take out, Rix or Overmars? I considered the other 3. Petit and Gilberto were a coin toss for inclusion but Fabregas had stayed at the club for longer than both, thus his inclusion. Cole is my least favourite player of all time, and I couldn't bring myself to include him, especially as he wasn't a definite.

tvercetti

Good Idea OP, but I would recommend narrowing it down to Legends of the Premier League era. It would be very straight forward picking squads from the past 20 years and for most of us we could give more input. Most of the big premier league clubs would only have had 2 top players for each position in the past 20 years.

TheKeenMachine

tvercetti wrote: »

Good Idea OP, but I would recommend narrowing it down to Legends of the Premier League era. It would be very straight forward picking squads from the past 20 years and for most of us we could give more input. Most of the big premier league clubs would only have had 2 top players for each position in the past 20 years.

While I agree it would be more straightforward, I think if I'm going to do this, I want to do it properly. I want to see Best, Moore, Pele, Maradona et al in action. It's not a bad idea though. If anyone can even give me squads based on the Premier League it would be much aprecciated. I can then add older players if needs be.

Also, and this is to everyone, what should the make-up of the Premier League look like? I'm thinking along the lines of:

Manchester United
Liverpool
Arsenal
Leeds United
Chelsea
Nottingham Forest
Wolves
Aston Villa
Manchester City
Everton
Tottenham Hotspur
Newcastle United
Blackburn Rovers
Sunderland
West Ham United

After that, I'm not sure. Bolton? Wimbledon? Preston?

Thanks again for any feedback.

gnfnrhead

TheKeenMachine wrote: »

Thanks for the feedback. Completely forgot about Pires, who should I take out, Rix or Overmars? I considered the other 3. Petit and Gilberto were a coin toss for inclusion but Fabregas had stayed at the club for longer than both, thus his inclusion. Cole is my least favourite player of all time, and I couldn't bring myself to include him, especially as he wasn't a definite.

Honestly, I'm not sure. Overmars was great for us and would be better known but Rix was captain for a while and had a great partnership with Brady from what I've seen. Overmars might be easier to put in since he player much more recently, it would be easier to judge his stats. Think it's another coin toss!

TheKeenMachine

gnfnrhead wrote: »

TheKeenMachine wrote: »

Thanks for the feedback. Completely forgot about Pires, who should I take out, Rix or Overmars? I considered the other 3. Petit and Gilberto were a coin toss for inclusion but Fabregas had stayed at the club for longer than both, thus his inclusion. Cole is my least favourite player of all time, and I couldn't bring myself to include him, especially as he wasn't a definite.

Honestly, I'm not sure. Overmars was great for us and would be better known but Rix was captain for a while and had a great partnership with Brady from what I've seen. Overmars might be easier to put in since he player much more recently, it would be easier to judge his stats. Think it's another coin toss!

I think I'll plump for Rix based on the fact that he played more games, was captain etc.
Also, I've put together squads for Juve and Real, as follows:

Juventus

GK: Gianluigi Buffon, Gianpiero Combi, Dino Zoff
RB: Ciro Ferrara, Claudio Gentile
CB: Sergio Brio, Antonio Cabrini, Sandro Salvadore, Gaetano Scirea
LB: Pietro Rava, Marco Tardelli
RM: Alessandro del Piero, Michel Platini
CM: Giuseppe Furino, Zinedine Zidane, Didier Deschamps, Edgar Davids
LM: Pavel Nedved, Paolo Rossi
ST: Roberto Baggio, Giampiero Boniperti, David Trezuget, John Hansen

Real Madrid

GK: Iker Casillas, Ricardo Zamora, Santiago Canizares
RB: Miguel Noguera, Chendo
CB: Fernando Hierro, Jose Santamaria, Manolo Sanchís, Gregorio Benito
LB: Jose Antonio Camacho, Roberto Carlos
RM: Cristiano Ronaldo, Luis Figo
CM: Alfredo di Stefano, Pirri, Guti, Fernando Rendondo/Bernd Schuster
LM: Fransisco Gento, Ferenc Puskas
ST: Santillano, Ronaldo, Raul, Hugo Sanchez

PerrinV2

How many italien/spainish teams are you playing to do?

WilcoOut

tvercetti wrote: »

I would recommend narrowing it down to Legends of the Premier League era.

well if we did that it would justify having chelsea (dont know any chelsea legends pre premier league) and i suppose it would also give arsenal a fighting chance too

but if its gonna be a legends mod, it should be done with all the greats

just my opinion

TheKeenMachine

PerrinV2 wrote: »

How many italien/spainish teams are you playing to do?

Well, Real and Barca from Spain, Juventus and maybe the Milan teams from Italy, Celtic and probably Rangers from Scotland, Ajax from Holland, Bayern Munich from Germany. Along with this I'll also be putting in one or two legends at other clubs i.e Pele at Santos, Garrincha at Botafago, Boniek at Widzew Lodz etc.

PerrinV2

Parma had a cracking team during the 90's even though most moved on
Buffon,Thuram,Crespo,Cannavaro,Sensini,nakata,Veron(well only for a year) but the list goes on

MrKingsley

TheKeenMachine wrote: »

Manchester United
Liverpool
Arsenal
Leeds United
Chelsea
Nottingham Forest
Wolves
Aston Villa
Manchester City
Everton
Tottenham Hotspur
Newcastle United
Blackburn Rovers
Sunderland
West Ham United

After that, I'm not sure. Bolton? Wimbledon? Preston?

Thanks again for any feedback.

Id definitely have Bolton in there. Maybe ahead of sunderland/wolves.

THe main reason being that the quality of players they had for 2/3 seasons under big sam. Might just add more to the game if jayjay,djorkaeff,campo etc were involved instead of kevin doyle and big nialler

TheKeenMachine

MrKingsley wrote: »

Id definitely have Bolton in there. Maybe ahead of sunderland/wolves.

THe main reason being that the quality of players they had for 2/3 seasons under big sam. Might just add more to the game if jayjay,djorkaeff,campo etc were involved instead of kevin doyle and big nialler

Alright, cheers, Bolton are in, although I doubt Kev will make the Wolves team anyway.

@PerrinV2 Some of those guys will be at other clubs but if they're not I'll stick them in at Parma.

Another general question now: How do I put player's faces on their profile using the editor? I've never been able before.

Finally, I've completed Forest and Everton's squads.

Nottingham Forest

GK: Peter Shilton, Steve Sutton, Peter Grummitt
RB: Bill Whare, Viv Anderson
CB: Bob Chapman, Bob McKinlay, Des Walker, Kenny Burns
LB: Stuart Pearce, Larry Lloyd
RM: Ian Storey-Moore, Nigel Clough
CM: Martin O'Neill, Ian Bowyer, John McGovern, Jack Burkitt
LM: John Robertson, Archie Gemmill
ST: Grenville Morris, Garry Birtles, Trevor Francis, Stan Collymore


Everton

GK: Neville Southall, Ted Sagar, Gordon West
RB: Gary Stevens, Tommy Jones
CB: Brian Labone, Kevin Ratcliffe, Mick Lyons, Dave Watson
LB: Ray Wilson, Jack Taylor
RM: Duncan McKenzie, Roy Vernon
CM: Colin Harvey, Alan Ball, Howard Kendall, Barry Horne
LM: Kevin Sheedy, Derek Temple
ST: Dixie Dean, Tommy Lawton, Bob Latchford, Andy Gray

WilcoOut

cannot wait to see the real madrid and barca teams

but who will figo play for!??!

and will real or juventus get zidane!?

TheKeenMachine

WilcoOut wrote: »

cannot wait to see the real madrid and barca teams

but who will figo play for!??!

and will real or juventus get zidane!?

Real are above somewhere, and Barca will be in my next update.

Figo will play for Madrid, as I don't think Barca fans consider him a legend!

Juve get Zidane because I have a feeling Real will be too good.

Three more teams done now: Celtic, Ajax and Spurs

Tottenham Hotspur

GK: Pat Jennings*, Bill Brown, Ted Ditchburn
RB: Peter Baker, Stephen Carr
CB: Mike England, Gary Mabbutt, Phil Beal, Ledley King
LB: Ron Henry, Chris Hughton
RM: Darren Anderton, Bill Nicholson
CM: Ossie Ardiles, Glenn Hoddle, Danny Blanchflower, Steffen Freund
LM: Chris Waddle, Dave Mackay
ST: Jurgen Klinsmann, Jimmy Greaves, Robbie Keane, Teddy Sheringham

*Jack Kelsey will replace Jennings at Arsenal

Celtic

GK: Ronnie Simpson, Packie Bonner, John Thomson
RB: Danny McGrain, Jimmy Craig
CB: Billy McNeill, Bobby Murdoch, Bobby Evans, Johannes Eōvaldsson
LB: Tommy Gemmell, Jimmy McStay
RM: Jimmy Johnstone, Paddy Crerand
CM: Tommy Burns, Bobby Murdoch, Bertie Auld, Paul McStay, Peter Grant
LM: George Connelly, Bertie Auld
ST: Henrik Larsson, Jimmy McGrory, Bobby Lennox, Stevie Chalmers

Ajax

GK: Stanley Menzo, Piet Schrijvers, VDS**
RB: Wim Suurbier, Michael Reiziger 
CB: Frank de Boer, Danny Blind, Horst Blankenburg, Velibor Vasovic
LB: Ruud Krol, Maxwell
RM: Frank Rijkaard, Clarence Seedorf
CM: Johann Cruyff, Ronald de Boer, Wim Anderiesen, Arie Haan
LM: Piet Keizer, Marc Overmars
ST: Marco van Basten, Ruud Geels, Sjaak Swart, Henk Groot

**Harry Gregg will replace van der Sar at Man. United

WilcoOut

ray clemence is already at liverpool?

TheKeenMachine

WilcoOut wrote: »

ray clemence is already at liverpool?

Cheers Wilco, good spot. Dudek will slot in at Liverpool.

And as promised, here is the Barca team.

Barcelona

GK: Victor Valdes, Antoni Ramallets, Salvador Salmudi
RB: Eladio Silvestre, Dani Alves
CB: Carlos Puyol, Joan Segarra, Ronald Koeman, Miguelli
LB: Sergio Barjuan, Sigfríd Gracia
RM: Hristo Stroichov, Diego Maradona
CM: Xavi, Andres Iniesta, Michael Laudrup, Bernd Schuster
LM: Lionel Messi, Ronaldinho
ST: Romario, Samuel Eto'o, Rivaldo, Carles Rexach

PerrinV2

Barca's team is beast

WilcoOut

id advocate leaving clemence the the pool, hes a legend there.......

he also the only post war GK in LFCs hall of fame

inforfun

That Ajax team is missing Mr. Ajax, Sjaak Swart.

I could do you a Feyenoord team, if you want.

TheKeenMachine

inforfun wrote: »

That Ajax team is missing Mr. Ajax, Sjaak Swart.

I could do you a Feyenoord team, if you want.

Cheers mate, fixed. If you wouldn't mind making a Feyenoord team, please do. Although I hadn't planned on doing them, if I haven't bored myself to death at the end, I'll stick them in.

@WilcoOut No problem, Ted Ditchburn in at Spurs.

WilcoOut

fair play to ya! do you want me to look into a few teams for ya...........make life easier on you

inforfun

TheKeenMachine wrote: »

Cheers mate, fixed. If you wouldn't mind making a Feyenoord team, please do. Although I hadn't planned on doing them, if I haven't bored myself to death at the end, I'll stick them in.

@WilcoOut No problem, Ted Ditchburn in at Spurs.

What are the rules?

Like how many players for each position? I think i have a fair idea from the teams posted here but would like to know anyway.

TheKeenMachine

WilcoOut wrote: »

fair play to ya! do you want me to look into a few teams for ya...........make life easier on you

That would be great, much appreciated!

@inforfun

2 players in every outfield position and three keepers. Positions are just normal: GK, RB, LB, CB, RM, LM, CM, ST. If a player was a half-back I generally just slot him in in centre mid or fullback.

Manchester City

GK: Bert Trautmann, Frank Swift, Joe Corrigan
RB: Tony Book, Tommy Booth
CB: Mike Doyle, Malcom Allison, Sam Cowan, Richard Dunne
LB: Glyn Pardoe, Willie Donachie
RM: Mike Summerbee, Ernie Toseland
CM: Alan Oakes, Colin Bell, David Silva, Roy Paul
LM: Eric Brook, Roy Clarke
ST: Tommy Johnson, Francis Lee, Shaun Goater, Joe Hayes

Bayern Munich

GK: Oliver Kahn, Sepp Maier, Raimond Aumann 
RB: Philip Lahm, Udo Horsmann
CB: Franz Beckenbauer, Klaus Augenthaler, Georg Schwarzenbeck, Thomas Helmer
LB: Bixente Lizarazu, Hans Pflüger
RM: Franz Roth, Hasan Salihamidzic
CM: Mehmet Scholl, Bastien Schweinsteiger, Lothar Matthäus, Paul Breitner
LM: Uli Hoeness, Steffan Effenberg
ST: Gerd Muller, Karl-Heinz Rummenigge, Roland Wohlfarth, Giovane Elber

inforfun

Feyenoord

GK
Eddy Pieters Graafland/Eddy Treijtel/Ed de Goey

RB
Bennie Wijnstekers/Piet Romeijn

CB
Rinus Israel/Theo Laseroms/John de Wolf/Wim Rijsbergen

LB
Cor Veldhoen/Ruud Heus

RM
Wim Jansen/Dirk Kuyt

CM
Paul Bosvelt/Franz Hasil/Henk Wery/John Dahl Tomasson

LM
Wim van Hanegem/Coen Moulijn

ST
Ove Kindvall/Pierre van Hooijdonk/Joszef Kiprich/Julio Ricardo Cruz

Kind of tough to put this together as throughout their history a 4-3-3 system was played.

So at least 3 of them are a bit out of position. Kuyt, Tomasson, Moulijn who were more attackers than midfielders

TheKeenMachine

inforfun wrote: »

Feyenoord

GK
Eddy Pieters Graafland/Eddy Treijtel/Ed de Goey

RB
Bennie Wijnstekers/Piet Romeijn

CB
Rinus Israel/Theo Laseroms/John de Wolf/Wim Rijsbergen

LB
Cor Veldhoen/Ruud Heus

RM
Wim Jansen/Dirk Kuyt

CM
Paul Bosvelt/Franz Hasil/Henk Wery/John Dahl Tomasson

LM
Wim van Hanegem/Coen Moulijn

ST
Ove Kindvall/Pierre van Hooijdonk/Joszef Kiprich/Julio Ricardo Cruz

Kind of tough to put this together as throughout their history a 4-3-3 system was played.

So at least 3 of them are a bit out of position. Kuyt, Tomasson, Moulijn who were more attackers than midfielders

Thank you very much, inforfun. Already, however, I've reached a snag - my laptop has broken!
I'm hoping it's fixable though - hope is not yet lost!

Mc Love

My Blackburn Rovers legends team if you will:

GK: Tim Flowers, Brad Friedel, Roger Jones
RB: Lucas Neill, Bob Crompton
CB: Derek Fazackerley, Colin Hendry, Henning Berg,Ryan Nelsen
LB: Bill Eckersley, Graeme le Saux
CM: Ronnie Clayton, Tim Sherwood, Tugay Kerimoğlu, Stuart Metcalfe
RM: Bryan Douglas, Stuart Ripley
LM: Damien Duff, Jason Wilcox
ST: Alan Shearer, Chris Sutton, Simon Garner, Matt Jansen

TheKeenMachine

Mc Love wrote: »

My Blackburn Rovers legends team if you will:

GK: Tim Flowers, Brad Friedel, Roger Jones
RB: Lucas Neill, Bob Crompton
CB: Derek Fazackerley, Colin Hendry, Henning Berg,Ryan Nelsen
LB: Bill Eckersley, Graeme le Saux
CM: Ronnie Clayton, Tim Sherwood, Tugay Kerimoğlu, Stuart Metcalfe
RM: Bryan Douglas, Stuart Ripley
LM: Damien Duff, Jason Wilcox
ST: Alan Shearer, Chris Sutton, Simon Garner, Matt Jansen

Shearer will probably go to Newcastle, any ideas on replacements?

Mc Love

newcastle? really? ah crap! His scoring record for rovers is much better than his record for the magpies! But if you are putting him there I guess you can put Tommy Briggs in instead!

Junior D

Bolton

Obviously I'm still young, so I can't give a definite team, but I'd say, in no particular order:

GK: Jussi Jaaskelainen, Keith Brannigan, Eddie Hopkinson

LB: Ricardo Gardner, Simon Charlton

CB: Sam Allardyce, Paul Jones, Bruno N'Gotty, Tommy Banks

RB: Gundi Bergsson, Jason McAteer

RM: Per Frandsen, Youri Djokaeff

CM: Jay-Jay Okocha (<3), Peter Reid, Ivan Campo, Eidur Gudjohnsen

LM: Peter Thompson, Alan Thompson

ST: Nat Lofthouse, John McGinlay, Frank Worthington, Andy Walker


Big shout out to those who couldn't make it:
Fernando Hierro, Fred Hill, Alan Stubbs, John Byrom, Kevin Davies and a few others.

Some of these I honestly haven't really seen like Eddie Hopkinson or Tommy Banks.
But from what I've heard and read they deserve their place.

I'm sure many of you have seen this, but might not have known who it was.
Frank Worthington:

grohlisagod

I think Derby deserve a spot in the Premier League. Won 2 titles under Brian Clough and made a European Cup semi. Also part of the Premier League for 6 or 7 years.

Southampton too were in the top division for donkeys years.

grohlisagod

PerrinV2 wrote: »

Parma had a cracking team during the 90's even though most moved on
Buffon,Thuram,Crespo,Cannavaro,Sensini,nakata,Veron(well only for a year) but the list goes on

Going into the 2000s too - Bennarrivo, Marco Di Vaio, Johan Micoud, Zola, Matias Almeyda, Chiesa, Dino Baggio and Diego Fuser.

Mc Love

grohlisagod wrote: »

I think Derby deserve a spot in the Premier League. Won 2 titles under Brian Clough and made a European Cup semi. Also part of the Premier League for 6 or 7 years.

Southampton too were in the top division for donkeys years.

Yeah but southampton were useless and always hanging around the bottom

grohlisagod

Mc Love wrote: »

Yeah but southampton were useless and always hanging around the bottom

This is true!

EveAlex

hows the project going!?

would love to get to play it soon

flanno_7hi

Georgi Kinkladze


ahem...Man city

2nd Row Donkey

TheKeenMachine wrote: »

Tottenham Hotspur

GK: Pat Jennings*, Bill Brown, Ted Ditchburn
RB: Peter Baker, Stephen Carr
CB: Mike England, Gary Mabbutt, Phil Beal, Ledley King
LB: Ron Henry, Chris Hughton
RM: Darren Anderton, Bill Nicholson
CM: Ossie Ardiles, Glenn Hoddle, Danny Blanchflower, Steffen Freund
LM: Chris Waddle, Dave Mackay
ST: Jurgen Klinsmann, Jimmy Greaves, Robbie Keane, Teddy Sheringham

*Jack Kelsey will replace Jennings at Arsenal

If you can find room for Steffen Freund, there's room for Ginola Surely!