Cavan v. Kildare Match Thread - Sun. 15th of July 3pm

Clareman

Due to the other thread being dragged into a slagging match I've decided to start a new thread to discuss the match.

The Match itself throws in at 3pm on Sunday the 15th of July in Kingspan Breffni Pk in Cavan.

Cavan come into this game after beating Fermanagh by 3-13 to 0-15 in the first round of the play-offs, they had already lost to Donegal by 1-16 to 1-10 in the Ulster championship.

Kildare come into the game after beating Offally by 0-09 to 0-16 in the Leinster Quarter Final, they went on to lose the Leinster semi-final to Meath by 1-17 to 1-11.

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blackbelt

Clareman wrote: »

Kildare come into the game after beating Offally by 0-19 to 0-16 in the Leinster Quarter Final, they went on to lose the Leinster semi-final to Meath by 1-17 to 1-11.

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Offaly must be happy with that result.

Lemlin

The Celt, Cavan newspaper, is out this morning and I picked up a copy.

Some notable points:

1. Team is expected to be pretty much the same team that played Fermanagh.
2. David Givney is working on injury rehabilitation and it is hoped he will be fit.
3. Cavan have no major injury concerns, besides Givney, ahead of the game.
4. County board still expecting 8,000 to 10,000.

The Cavan team and scorers that played Fermanagh (taken from the Irish Times match report):

CAVAN : 1 James Reilly; 4 D Tighe, 2 K Clarke, 3 P O’Reilly; 5 M McKeever, 7 F Flanagan, 6 D Reilly (0-1); 8 D Givney, 9 T Corr (0-1); 12 R Flanagan, 11 G McKiernan (1-1), 10 N Smith (0-1); 13 N McDermott (1-1, 0-1 free), 14 E Keating (1-1), 15 J Brady (0-5, 0-2 frees). Subs: K Tierney (0-1) for Givney (35 mins), J McLoughlin for Clarke (half-time), D McKiernan (0-1) for McKeever (46 mins), K Meehan for Smith (67 mins). Yellow cards: K Clarke (11 mins); T Corr (22 mins); G McKiernan (65 mins).

One part of the article which struck me was that a county board official said Cavan will not be naming their team early as they were disappointed with what they felt was unwarranted criticisim from a pundit after they made 2 changes ahead of the Donegal game. I'm wondering was it Martin McHugh? I know he was quite harsh to Cavan when analysing the game for the BBC after the match calling Cavan the worst team in Ulster. The result against Fermanagh was the best tonic for him!

Tom Joad

Lemlin wrote: »

The Celt, Cavan newspaper, is out this morning and I picked up a copy.

Some notable points:

1. Team is expected to be pretty much the same team that played Fermanagh.
2. David Givney is working on injury rehabilitation and it is hoped he will be fit.
3. Cavan have no major injury concerns, besides Givney, ahead of the game.
4. County board still expecting 8,000 to 10,000.

One part of the article which struck me was that a county board official said Cavan will not be naming their team early as they were disappointed with what they felt was unwarranted criticisim from a pundit after they made 2 changes ahead of the Donegal game. I'm wondering was it Martin McHugh? I know he was quite harsh to Cavan when analysing the game for the BBC after the match calling Cavan the worst team in Ulster. The result against Fermanagh was the best tonic for him!

Would have expected an unchanged team, obviously barring injuries, but I hope that Givney is not played unless he is pretty damn close to 100% - we tried playing McKiernan against Donegal when he was clearly not fit and could have wrecked him for the summer. - we need to learn from things like this if we are to progress.

I hope that the county setup does pay any heed to any pundit in deciding when to name the team - McHugh has been harsh on Cavan for a long while now to be honest and even if Cavan were to overcome Kildare (big if I know) he would highlight the frailties in the Kildare team rather than praising Cavan.

I would expect closer to 15k in Breffni on Sunday especially if its a good day.

blackbelt

Lemlin wrote: »

I'm wondering was it Martin McHugh? I know he was quite harsh to Cavan when analysing the game for the BBC after the match calling Cavan the worst team in Ulster. The result against Fermanagh was the best tonic for him!

Don't be too surprised.McHugh seems to be making a name for himself by trying to be Brollyish with his scathing criticisms of teams like Meath,Dublin, Cavan and Kerry. He even criticised the Irish soccer fans who sang the Fields Of Athenry. The more I see him on the Sunday Game, the more I want to switch off.

ShamoBuc

2 threads for one game!!! - I hope it doesn't disappoint, although I doubt it will.
Looking forward to this one. I expect it will be a nailed on certainty for at least one team to finish with 14 or less. The tension at throw in will be something else. I hope the ref doesn't lose it as every foul will probably be greated with a roar from the crowd.
I reckon Kildare should win it but with everything that has gone on I won't be putting any money on it.

largepants

Not sure about Kildare after last game aganist Meath. Was it a bad day or was it the beginning of the end for this particular regime? Sunday will tell a lot.I don't know much about Cavan but I'm sure they'll be up for this one. Nothing like a bit of fire in the belly for a big performance. Honestly would be more than happy to come away with a slim victory depite the way the bookies have it priced up. What are the chances of a bit of aggro in the stands on Sunday? I'd hate to see that happen but it could easily.

Tom Joad

blackbelt wrote: »

Don't be too surprised.McHugh seems to be making a name for himself by trying to be Brollyish with his scathing criticisms of teams like Meath,Dublin, Cavan and Kerry. He even criticised the Irish soccer fans who sang the Fields Of Athenry. The more I see him on the Sunday Game, the more I want to switch off.

Yeah you are probably right - he needs to make a name by being as controversial as possible but in different ways he's more annoying when he's on the BBC coverage.

Tom Joad

largepants wrote: »

Not sure about Kildare after last game aganist Meath. Was it a bad day or was it the beginning of the end for this particular regime? Sunday will tell a lot.I don't know much about Cavan but I'm sure they'll be up for this one. Nothing like a bit of fire in the belly for a big performance. Honestly would be more than happy to come away with a slim victory depite the way the bookies have it priced up. What are the chances of a bit of aggro in the stands on Sunday? I'd hate to see that happen but it could easily.

Cavan will be up for the game alright but they will need to put in an exceptional 70 minute performance to beat Kildare and Kildare would need to have another off day to win. Cavan have to get a good start to have any chance.

Let's not either start on aggro in the stands - there are always a few arsehole everywhere but i'd like to think that the vast majority will have a bit of banter but there will be no issues..

Lemlin

Tom Joad wrote: »

Would have expected an unchanged team, obviously barring injuries, but I hope that Givney is not played unless he is pretty damn close to 100% - we tried playing McKiernan against Donegal when he was clearly not fit and could have wrecked him for the summer. - we need to learn from things like this if we are to progress.

I hope that the county setup does pay any heed to any pundit in deciding when to name the team - McHugh has been harsh on Cavan for a long while now to be honest and even if Cavan were to overcome Kildare (big if I know) he would highlight the frailties in the Kildare team rather than praising Cavan.

I would expect closer to 15k in Breffni on Sunday especially if its a good day.

McHugh seems a bit bitter to be honest. He is always very harsh on Cavan in any reporting he does.

Givney has been good in the league this year but he was very poor last year in both championship games. If he's not 100%, I think there should be no problem in dropping him for Declan McKiernan, who had a superb final for the juniors against Kildare and who was good against Fermanagh in his sub appearance.

I'd like to see the half back line changed. Perhaps bringing Jason McLoughlin or Joshua Hayes in would strengthen it or even moving Mossie Corr back from midfield if needed. It was our weakest link against Fermanagh though and needs to be amended IMO.

shamoBuc wrote:

2 threads for one game!!! - I hope it doesn't disappoint, although I doubt it will.
Looking forward to this one. I expect it will be a nailed on certainty for at least one team to finish with 14 or less. The tension at throw in will be something else. I hope the ref doesn't lose it as every foul will probably be greated with a roar from the crowd.
I reckon Kildare should win it but with everything that has gone on I won't be putting any money on it.

This is where experience could be key. I'm still unaware of the average age of the Kildare team and, despite asking on the previous thread, no-one here seems to be able to work it out. Kildare have big game experience though. The Cavan team don't. The average age of the Cavan starting 15 is 23 and our inexperience could punish us on the day. I wouldn't think of Cavan as a dirty team but all too often we've had players sent off for stupid reasons. Cullivan against Donegal last year, Gareth Smith in the Longford game. We had Mossie Corr and Lorcan Mulvey sent off in 2010 against Wicklow. Cavan need to keep 15 men on the field. We've managed to do that in the two games so far but lads like KIllian Clarke are still young and a tad naieve and I'd imagine that's why Hyland knew to pull him off at half time against Fermanagh.

As for trouble in the crowd, I'm sure there'll be plenty of roaring from the stands and the odd bit of abuse will be thrown (usually at the referee at Cavan games!) but the Cavan crowd are always well behaved. I actually don't know what sort of attendance to expect for this game. It's 2004 or 2005 since Breffni Park had 20,000 at a Cavan game so, unless the Johnston factor kicks in, I can't see a large crowd or that hostile an atmosphere. The Cavan fans were drowned out by Meath in the double header last year for example.

Edit: I've heard Marty Duffy will be reffing by the way.

DoctaDee

Marty gets Cavan/Kildare & Dublin/Meath !! ... the human fire blanket .. sure to dampen the sparks of a decent game with his constant whistling :rolleyes:

jonniebgood1

Kildare team is announced

There is no place in the starting XV for Seanie Johnston, and it remains to be seen if the controversial forward has recovered well enough from a shoulder injury to take his place among the substitutes.

Johnston’s return to his native county has made this a highly-anticipated encounter at Kingspajn Breffni Park.

Kildare boss Kieran McGeeney has made a raft of positional alterations, but just two players have been axed after the Leinster semi-final defeat to Meath.

Ollie Lyons and Padraig O’Neill have been omitted, with Andriú MacLochlainn and Robert Kelly coming in.

Kildare (SF v Cavan): Shane Connolly; Andriú MacLochlainn, Michael Foley, Peter Kelly; Emmet Bolton, Morgan O’Flaherty, Hugh McGrillen; Daryl Flynn, Robert Kelly; Eoghan O’Flaherty, Mikey Conway, Alan Smith; John Doyle, Tomás O’Connor, James Kavanagh. http://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/football/2012/0711/328705-kildare-make-two-changes-for-cavan-encounter/

Last minute switches aside there is no miracle start for Johnston. I expect him to be on the bench in case Kildare need to change the game which should not be required.

DARK-KNIGHT

If anything starts in stands I'll be walking out of breffni as I'm not going to see that I'm going to see a match!!

I expect Cavan to put a good account of themselves in but tbh can see Kildare easily winning this as you don't become a bad team after one bad result. Kildares pace, stamina, work rate and class should come into play all over the pitch.

I can't see Kildare caught out sleeping again but even if they are it's gonna take a mammoth effort from Cavan to get close to them.

To all involved good luck and let the game flow without argy Bargy crap

Tom Joad

DARK-KNIGHT wrote: »

If anything starts in stands I'll be walking out of breffni as I'm not going to see that I'm going to see a match!!

To all involved good luck and let the game flow without argy Bargy crap

I really don't see anything kicking off but should be a bit of banter - heard that a lot of clubs were making some welcome home jelly banners

Disappointed with choice of ref to be honest.

lilywhites28

Tom Joad wrote: »

I really don't see anything kicking off but should be a bit of banter - heard that a lot of clubs were making some welcome home jelly banners

Some have made some on our side to. Should be entertaining.

Lemlin

lilywhites28 wrote: »

Tom Joad wrote: »

I really don't see anything kicking off but should be a bit of banter - heard that a lot of clubs were making some welcome home jelly banners

Some have made some on our side to. Should be entertaining.

Can't see what banners Kildare would have that would be aimed at Cavan, unless they are just generic ones.

One of the best I've seen planned from Cavan so far is "Well home Seanie... it's like you never left"!.

I only realised when reading a bit of history in an article yesterday that Kildare's last All Ireland win was 1928 when they beat Cavan on a scoreline of 2-6 to 2-5. We got our revenge in 1935 though beating Kildare 3-6 to 2-5.

This thread was a bit of an anti climax. A week and a half of posting and then we get to three or four days before the game and nobody is interested.

blackbelt

I think the closure of the original thread derailed a lot of momentum in the discussion though it was a call that needed to be made. I don;t foresee any trouble in all fairness but I really do think SJ will be making an appearance.

premierstone

Lemlin wrote: »

lilywhites28 wrote: »

This thread was a bit of an anti climax. A week and a half of posting and then we get to three or four days before the game and nobody is interested.

Well to be fair Lemlin if the Seanie affair had never happened its a game no one outsied the two participating counties would have any real interest in at all, and now that it appears Seanie won't even be in attendance, a wise move IMO, its just another qualifier.

Lemlin

premierstone wrote: »

Lemlin wrote: »

Well to be fair Lemlin if the Seanie affair had never happened its a game no one outsied the two participating counties would have any real interest in at all, and now that it appears Seanie won't even be in attendance, a wise move IMO, its just another qualifier.

You are correct. This game would be written off as Kildare giving another poor team a drubbing in the qualifiers but for "seaniewatch" as some are dubbing it. Indeed, I expect it still will be Kildare giving another poor team a drubbing in the qualifiers but, until full time on Sunday, or Kildare take an unassailable lead in the match, there's always a small glimmer of hope for us Cavan fans that we'll pull of a miracle. And by small I mean miniscule.

There's an interesting article in Cavan's local paper, the Anglo Clent, by a KIldare journalist called Ronan Flanagan (not the Cavan player who is a school teacher!). He admits what everyone knows - that journalists regularly use Twitter, Facebook and forums for research. What he states he found interesting though, and it has been seen on here IMO, is that the minute a discussion on the topic is attempted at all on the KIldare GAA forums, alot of individuals become very scatching of those individuals who bring the topic up and refuse to discuss it.

The most interesting part of the article though is the end where it states that, whatever Kildare do accomplish this season in the championship, will be a sideshow to "seaniewatch". Until Kildare are out of the championship, the journalist feels the transfer will be an overbearing factor that will shadow over even the best of performances. To be honest, from the amount of discussion the topic has generated on here. I'd have to agree.

Tristram

Is Ollie Lyons injured or why is he out of the starting fifteen?

Tom Joad

Lemlin, I think we are all just fatigued by the whole thing and the thread has just fizzled out because of that. Without Seaniegate this match wouldn't excite anyone and tbh know that Seanie hasn't been named in the starting 15 everyone is moving on.

For Kildare they just want to get this game out of the way and move on for the bigger challenges ahead. As an aside I was talking to a few mates in Kildare yesterday about the game and they were a bit embarrassed about the whole Seanie thing - might be why some Kildare fans don't want to discuss it.

For Cavan, we want a good performance and a bit of heart from the lads - this could be a big step in the development of the team - Kildare are a nice footballing team and are totally different to Ulster teams that we are more used to playing. They will let us play a bit of football but will always be a bit too classy for us - on a dry day would expect a fairly high score to be racked up.

Not expecting a Cavan win but if things go our way we could be in with a chance - we need a wet crappy day, a good start and Kildare to be below par but a good start is absolutely vital. This match will be decided in the first 15 minutes!!

Tom Joad

blackbelt wrote: »

I think the closure of the original thread derailed a lot of momentum in the discussion though it was a call that needed to be made. I don;t foresee any trouble in all fairness but I really do think SJ will be making an appearance.

Hard to call at this stage but if McGeeney was planning to use Seanie he has done everything right this week in damping down the controversy in as much as he can - nothing to stop him deciding a hour before the game to start Seanie.

Lemlin

Tom Joad wrote: »

Lemlin, I think we are all just fatigued by the whole thing and the thread has just fizzled out because of that. Without Seaniegate this match wouldn't excite anyone and tbh know that Seanie hasn't been named in the starting 15 everyone is moving on.

For Kildare they just want to get this game out of the way and move on for the bigger challenges ahead. As an aside I was talking to a few mates in Kildare yesterday about the game and they were a bit embarrassed about the whole Seanie thing - might be why some Kildare fans don't want to discuss it.

For Cavan, we want a good performance and a bit of heart from the lads - this could be a big step in the development of the team - Kildare are a nice footballing team and are totally different to Ulster teams that we are more used to playing. They will let us play a bit of football but will always be a bit too classy for us - on a dry day would expect a fairly high score to be racked up.

Not expecting a Cavan win but if things go our way we could be in with a chance - we need a wet crappy day, a good start and Kildare to be below par but a good start is absolutely vital. This match will be decided in the first 15 minutes!!

The one bit of hope I have is that we started extremely well against Donegal and it was only when McGuiness saw how well we were playing after ten minutes that he reverted to the blanket defence. There's no doubting that Kildare are bigger and stronger than Cavan and the extra years of conditioning will be a big help to them but this Cavan team does have two advantages: players who can kick scores from range and speed. Givney, McKiernan, McKeever, Keating and Brady are all fit to kick points from the 40 or around it. Cavan scored 1-10 against Donegal and 3-13 against Fermanagh so this is a team that creates chances and can take them.

The Kildare team didn't like players running at them against Meath. Forde for Meath was particularly good at it. I'd get Niall Smith and maybe Ronan Flanagan doing the same. Smith has speed to burn and could be huge in this game.

There's no doubting that Cavan are huge outsiders (5-1 in the bookies I believe) but as I said above, until Kildare take an unassilable lead, there'll be a glimmer of hope and the longer Cavan can keep in the game, the more it'll lift the crowd. I do think KIldare are a good team but I saw them in Navan last year and, having watched the Armagh and Tyrone teams during the noughties, they just didn't seem of the same calibre.

Cavan have nothing to fear, nothing to lose and should really go for it. We've a young team who have a number of underage Ulster medals between them, not to mention older players who have won Sigerson cups, so if everything clicks and the team perform, there's no reason we can't give a decent account of ourselves. That's all people expect at this juncture.

Alaska1

Tristram wrote: »

Is Ollie Lyons injured or why is he out of the starting fifteen?

Disipline breach.

Lemlin

No sign of a sling here anyway:

http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-football/seanie-johnston-finetunes-preparations-on-home-turf-3167339.html

Seanie Johnston fine-tuned his preparations for a potential Kildare debut on Sunday with a kicking practice session at his old Cavan Gaels club on Wednesday night.

Some Cavan Gaels members were surprised to see Johnston and a friend engage in a kickabout on Terry Coyle Park, just a few hundred metres from his original homeplace.

Judging by his involvement in a training session in Hawkfield on Tuesday night and this run-out on his old home turf 24 hours later, Johnston appears to have overcome a shoulder injury, sustained in training last week, which placed a doubt about his availability for Sunday's qualifier game against Cavan in Kingspan Breffni Park.

Johnston has retained links with Cavan Gaels, despite his transfer to St Kevin's in Kildare to facilitate his desire to continue playing inter-county football with the Lilywhites.

When his appeal against the Central Competitions Control Committee decision to block his transfer was upheld in late May, Cavan Gaels were among the first to wish him well.

It remains to be seen if he will play any part in Sunday's second-round qualifier. Kildare named a team without him, but he may feature among the replacements.

I don't expect him to play a part on Sunday. Although I'm wondering is this some sort of mind game that he was put up to by McGeeney. There are a good few of the Cavan panel playing with the Gaels (Meehan, Maloney Dernham, Niall Smith) so it's interesting that he choose the week of the game to turn up for a kick around.

celt262

Rumours on other boards that the little ***** will start.

Lemlin

celt262 wrote: »

Rumours on other boards that the little ****e will start.

I talked to a couple of Gaels clubmen I know and they feel he'd have no problem playing against Cavan.

If that's true, it'll be sad to see to be honest, I know the lad is disappointed with the way he was treated but you'd expect him to show some degree of loyalty towards his home county.

I'm just wondering have DCU and the management there any part to play in this. I've heard the DCU manager Niall Moyna giving out in the past about county teams not allowing him access to players and some other items and I've heard he can be quite outspoken. I also heard a Cavan player talk years ago about how DCU was so professional compared to Cavan.

Johnston and Mortimer have both left their counties for different reasons and both played for DCU.

celt262

Thanks for quoting it.

Tom Joad

Lemlin wrote: »

I don't expect him to play a part on Sunday. Although I'm wondering is this some sort of mind game that he was put up to by McGeeney. There are a good few of the Cavan panel playing with the Gaels (Meehan, Maloney Dernham, Niall Smith) so it's interesting that he choose the week of the game to turn up for a kick around.

AFAIK Gaels have their golf classic this week so probably why he was about Terry Coyle Park - as far as I concerned he's an amateur footbal and while I don't agree with him joining Kildare, it's nice to see that he can still feel he is welcome in Cavan.

On the banner front, my favourite is 2012 Lenister Titles - Cavan 1, Kildare 0

Tristram

Alaska1 wrote: »

Disipline breach.

That's disappointing to hear. Minor I hope.

jonniebgood1

Tom Joad wrote: »

AFAIK Gaels have their golf classic this week so probably why he was about Terry Coyle Park - as far as I concerned he's an amateur footbal and while I don't agree with him joining Kildare, it's nice to see that he can still feel he is welcome in Cavan.

Golf in Terry Coyle Park!!!!

His kickabout suggests he is fit. I would have thought the reason he is around Terry Coyle park was clear- i.e. where he is from.

If he is fit but yet McGeeney does not pick him then how come they bothered to go about signing him up/ recruiting him. Its a sorry episode at this stage, will he try and take other Cavan players if they impress on Sunday? I can't see Cavan beating Kildare based on the last couple of years results, the only chink of light for them is that they are inspired because of this issue. And if that happens then surely McGeeney will be gone. All of which makes picking Johnston or not picking him vital. I think it will be certain that because of this that he will play at some stage on Sunday.

Tom Joad

Tom Joad wrote: »

AFAIK Gaels have their golf classic this week so probably why he was about Terry Coyle Park - as far as I concerned he's an amateur footbal and while I don't agree with him joining Kildare, it's nice to see that he can still feel he is welcome in Cavan.

On the banner front, my favourite is 2012 Lenister Titles - Cavan 1, Kildare 0

I enjoyed "Podge Reilly eats Jelly for Breakfast" myself!

I hope the issues surrounding this game can bring the Cavan supporters together with the team. When the team ran out for the Donegal game there was a small smattering of applause in the covered stand. When the Donegal side ran out there was a ferocious roar from the entire Donegal crowd. That sort of a reaction is earned over time of course but it's essential we lift them as much as possible come Sunday afternoon. Perhaps this whole thing will make the Cavan support get behind the lads loyal to Cavan.

The only chance we have to get close to Kildare is to be absolutely clinical. Keating can't afford to be missing goal chances like he did against Fermanagh. We can't go forward and kick 12+ wides. We need to be clinical and ruthless with any chances we get. Kildare are capable of racking up a huge score against our defence which is limited in physicality and ability.

Cavan usually start brightly and fade after 20 minutes, we will need to keep a massive level of intensity throughout, if we lose focues and fade out of the game for periods Kildare will hammer us.

The realist in me is expecting a routine Kildare victory but I would absolutely love to see something special happen in Breffni Park. Win or Lose our reputation as a footballing county is intact. C'Mon Cavan!!

lilywhites28

"Can't see what banners Kildare would have that would be aimed at Cavan, unless they are just generic ones."

Lemlin ah no only a bit of harmless banter.

Regarding: Ollie lyons I feel is an important cog in the machine. He is extremely quick and kildare would miss his runs. Once he bursts through and takes off he is hard to catch. Can also score on occassion.

Cavan team named.

James Reilly.
Padraic O'Reilly.
Killian Clarke.
Darragh Tighe.
Fergal Flanagan.
Damien Reilly.
Mark McKeever.
David Givney.
Thomas Corr.
Niall Smith.
Gearoid McKiernan.
Ronan Flanagan.
Niall McDermott.
Eugene Keating.
Jack Brady.


James Farrelly.
Martin Dunne.
Conor McClarey.
Kevin Meehan.
Joshua Hayes.
Robert Maloney-Derham.
Declan McKiernan.
Damien Barkey.
Kevin Tierney.
Jason McLoughlin.
Barry Reilly.

Same as the Fermanagh game if I remember correctly? Interesting to see Barry Reilly making the bench.
Looking at the bench it's all U21's from the last 3 years bar Hayes. All with potential to develop into fine footballers. I would like to see McClarey getting a run, he has a touch of Jason Reilly about him in his ability to sniff out goals.

As for the starting side, I'd worry for Tighe, I don't think he has what it takes to make it at this level, he got a few bad roastings in the U21 Campaign last year and didn't do well against Fermanagh either. Feargal Flanagan has been very poor this year too at all levels and Hyland's faith in him when Joshua Hayes has impressed so much all year is puzzling.

Hard to see how that team will get any change from Kildare or how we will keep their score down, if we put up a good show and don't lie down for them I'll be happy.

jamesie_boy

Is this on tv?

Diego Maradona

No

Lemlin

Diego Maradona wrote: »

No

Any news on that sling Diego?

Seanie played in the Cavan Gaels golf classic this week. Very strange for a lad who had his arm in a sling last week to be able to play a game that requires swinging like golf this week.

Diego Maradona

Lemlin wrote: »

Any news on that sling Diego?

Seanie played in the Cavan Gaels golf classic this week. Very strange for a lad who had his arm in a sling last week to be able to play a game that requires swinging like golf this week.

Your obsessiveness on all things Seanie is staggering, can you not let it go?

By the way he didn't actually play in the golf classic he was there alright but didn't play golf.

Lemlin

Diego Maradona wrote: »

Lemlin wrote: »

Any news on that sling Diego?

Seanie played in the Cavan Gaels golf classic this week. Very strange for a lad who had his arm in a sling last week to be able to play a game that requires swinging like golf this week.

Your obsessiveness on all things Seanie is staggering, can you not let it go?

By the way he didn't actually play in the golf classic he was there alright but didn't play golf.

I'm just showing up the waffle you were talking by saying he was in a sling last week.

And again, I'll ask, what proof have you that he didn't play? I'm not trying to squabble but I'm growing tired of people like yourself making these statements with no proof whatsoever to back them up.

Diego Maradona

Lemlin wrote: »

I'm just showing up the waffle you were talking by saying he was in a sling last week.

And again, I'll ask, what proof have you that he didn't play? I'm not trying to squabble but I'm growing tired of people like yourself making these statements with no proof whatsoever to back them up.

Have you proof he did play in the golf classic?

Lemlin

KeepTheFaith wrote: »

Cavan team named.

James Reilly.
Padraic O'Reilly.
Killian Clarke.
Darragh Tighe.
Fergal Flanagan.
Damien Reilly.
Mark McKeever.
David Givney.
Thomas Corr.
Niall Smith.
Gearoid McKiernan.
Ronan Flanagan.
Niall McDermott.
Eugene Keating.
Jack Brady.


James Farrelly.
Martin Dunne.
Conor McClarey.
Kevin Meehan.
Joshua Hayes.
Robert Maloney-Derham.
Declan McKiernan.
Damien Barkey.
Kevin Tierney.
Jason McLoughlin.
Barry Reilly.

Same as the Fermanagh game if I remember correctly? Interesting to see Barry Reilly making the bench.
Looking at the bench it's all U21's from the last 3 years bar Hayes. All with potential to develop into fine footballers. I would like to see McClarey getting a run, he has a touch of Jason Reilly about him in his ability to sniff out goals.

As for the starting side, I'd worry for Tighe, I don't think he has what it takes to make it at this level, he got a few bad roastings in the U21 Campaign last year and didn't do well against Fermanagh either. Feargal Flanagan has been very poor this year too at all levels and Hyland's faith in him when Joshua Hayes has impressed so much all year is puzzling.

Hard to see how that team will get any change from Kildare or how we will keep their score down, if we put up a good show and don't lie down for them I'll be happy.

I'm surprised Damien Barkey isn't starting. He was our best back in the league games that I attended earlier this year.

I'm very worried about the half back line. I feel we'll struggle again there and I'm hoping there'll be changes to this team and it's just been announced to throw something to the media.

jonniebgood1

Diego Maradona wrote: »

Your obsessiveness on all things Seanie is staggering, can you not let it go?

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No need to be so sensitive about it. Its the obvious point of interest about this game so of course people will talk about it.

I expect him to make an appearance at some stage. No matter what the scenario is, Cavan winning/ Kildare winning/ game level, McGeeney will have to bring him on or will lose all sense of credibility for making the transfer (thats if he has any left after this episode!).

Lemlin

Diego Maradona wrote: »

Lemlin wrote: »

I'm just showing up the waffle you were talking by saying he was in a sling last week.

And again, I'll ask, what proof have you that he didn't play? I'm not trying to squabble but I'm growing tired of people like yourself making these statements with no proof whatsoever to back them up.

Have you proof he did play in the golf classic?

You're some man. I'll tell you what. When I get my proof of the sling and that he didn't play, I'll give you my proof of the contrary.

Diego Maradona

Lemlin wrote: »

You're some man. I'll tell you what. When I get my proof of the sling and that he didn't play, I'll give you my proof of the contrary.

So thats a no then? Thought so. :rolleyes:

RealityCheck

For me Cavan will make a game of it for about 55 mins before Kildare pull away winning by about 6.

Seanie Johnston will not make an appearance.

blackbelt

Well will one of you please step up to the plate and provide the evidence? It is not a game of chess lads.

Clareman

Final warning, if you want to squabble with other members over trivial points find somewhere else (ideally PM so I don't have to see them), if squabbling/bickering continues I will ban all members involved until Monday.

Diego Maradona

RealityCheck wrote: »

For me Cavan will make a game of it for about 55 mins before Kildare pull away winning by about 6.

Seanie Johnston will not make an appearance.

I think you are right, I'd be very surprised if Seanie is used at any stage.

The first ten minutes will be crucial if Cavan can get off to a good start it could be a very uncomfortable game for us but if Kildare can start well I think we will win by 10+.

blackbelt

This debate between Lemlin and Diego Maradonna can continue, I'm looking for one or both to provide this evidence whether SJ played golf or not.So we can continue off from where you left off.

I'll be monitoring this and to reinforce what Clareman said, no petty insults or abuse or somebody will be banned.

Lemlin

Diego Maradona wrote: »

Lemlin wrote: »

You're some man. I'll tell you what. When I get my proof of the sling and that he didn't play, I'll give you my proof of the contrary.

So thats a no then? Thought so. :rolleyes:

I'll tell you what. I'll meet you half way. Proof of the sling as I asked you for that a week ago. Then I'll provide proof he did play in the golf classic, even though I asked you for proof he didn't play first.

I think that's fair enough. Then you can throw around all you like.

Lemlin

blackbelt wrote: »

This debate between Lemlin and Diego Maradonna can continue, I'm looking for one or both to provide this evidence whether SJ played golf or not.So we can continue off from where you left off.

I'll be monitoring this and to reinforce what Clareman said, no petty insults or abuse or somebody will be banned.

I've spoken to individuals from the club who state he played. Now they aren't on this site but it's also been said on Hogan Stand Cavan by posters that he played.