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Quiet & Cool but High Performance gaming
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06-07-2012 9:43am#1Hey guys, I'm planning to return to the PC gaming master race after many years of using Macs and consoles. I built all my own machines from 1996 to 2006 so I'm no stranger to a screwdriver, but I'm very out of touch when it comes to the latest tech.
I'm very spoilt by my iMac in terms of noise. I'm not keen on having a hovercraft on my desk again but still want a high-end machine.
1. What is your budget? 2500
2. What will be the main purpose of the computer? Gaming and software development
3. Do you need a copy of Windows? Yes
4. Can you use any parts from an old computer? No
5. Do you need a monitor? Yes
5a. If yes, what size do you need. 24 or 27 inch
6. Do you need any of these peripherals? Yes, I'm really picky when it comes to peripherals for ergonomic reasons, so I'll do some research on my own. For speakers, to be honest I'd prefer them integrated into the monitor to keep things tidy, I'll be using headphones if I need good sound quality
7. Are you willing to try overclocking? On the contrary I want to buy high-end components that are run well within spec, I want my machine to be as stable, cool, and quiet as possible. My home is very well insulated so my office gets uncomfortably hot even with just the iMac running!
8. How can you pay? I'd prefer credit card just in case something goes wrong, but for a great deal I'd be flexible.
9. When are you purchasing? Between August and October
10. If you need help building it, where are you based? No help needed.
From my preliminary research, here's what I'm interested in:
Intel Ivy Bridge
X77 mobo with support for wifi, dual graphics cards
Nvidia 680? 690? dual?
8-16 GB RAM
120+GB SSD boot/game drive (I'm interested in a RAID 0 configuration here for more performance, but what's the story with trim support?)
1+TB storage drive
optical drive
mid sized case, quiet as possible. 3-4 internal bays, 1-2 external. All the better if it lacks side windows, bright lights etc.
A high-end IPS display with USB, good speakers
80 plus gold or better power supply with enough capacity to handle 2 graphics cards
Thanks in advance for any suggestions!0
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Glad I didnt decide on a yamakasi myself, if I need a dual-card GPU just to run a decent framerate on a 1440 res screen, and then no guaranatee of even being able to get above 60hz on it
Btw, are platimax power units really that good, I would have suggested something like this http://www1.hardwareversand.de/700+-+800+Watts/38017/Super-Flower+SF750P14XE+Golden+Green+Pro+80plus+gold.article
Edit : oh didn't notice it had a 'platinum' rating, not sure if the price premium is warranted over a gold rated though.0 -
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Bah I placed the order yesterday so that's that. I'll probably never go SLI anyway - by the time I decide I need more performance there will no doubt be a single card that is a decent upgrade. I also went with a Catleap monitor. Now I play the waiting game!
Thanks for the help guys.0 -
Are you just running 1 monitor? You'll be getting max frame rates on most games if so
Just curious though, I assumed you weren't planning on overclocking from what you posted earlier in this thread. If so, why the need for a h100 cooling system??0 -
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I just thought it looked neat. If it can make the machine quieter / cooler than a standard cpu fan then it's worth it to me.
I'm kinda along the lines of you. I could have gone cheaper, but I am overclocking and want some watercooling experience before I go into custom kits etc. One thing to be aware of is that the stock rad fans are crazy loud, so I'm replacing them with two of these0 -
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Skylinehead wrote: »http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_7_editions#Comparison_chart
Outlines the differences in versions.
hah, I ordered a total of 16gb for some future proofing
Won't be able to improve on that now, even though the mobo supports 32gb afaik....
192gb is a BIG step up in ram capacity though.0 -
Dr_Teeth congrats on going for the best vga out there,but water cooling on 5i is waste of money,same as blu ray cdrom,2tb hdd and windows.For that money you could saved for i7 cpu and proper cooler on it,maybe extra ssd drive for raid 0.As dvd rom costs pennys now same as couple silent coolers and few sheets of noise isolating rubber,as most noise comes from vga.But its your money and your choice you made,so looking forward to see some pics how it comes together 0
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Dr_Teeth congrats on going for the best vga out there,but water cooling on 5i is waste of money,same as blu ray cdrom,2tb hdd and windows.For that money you could saved for i7 cpu and proper cooler on it,maybe extra ssd drive for raid 0.As dvd rom costs pennys now same as couple silent coolers and few sheets of noise isolating rubber,as most noise comes from vga.But its your money and your choice you made,so looking forward to see some pics how it comes together
i7 doesn't add anything other than hyperthreading, so for gaming it's useless - only useful for rendering and the likes. And I fail to see how a 2TB drive is pointless, we'll all have to add storage capacity eventually.0 -
and games arent renderedSkylinehead wrote: »i7 doesn't add anything other than hyperthreading, so for gaming it's useless - only useful for rendering and the likes. And I fail to see how a 2TB drive is pointless, we'll all have to add storage capacity eventually. ? must be never seen a character in pixels before its rendered.As for hdd it doesn't work well with ssd as if there are files on it eventually lags develop between two of them,might not be noticable on internal hardrive but external ones do slow pc quite a lot especially if they arent used for a while because due to energy saving and other options they tend to go into sleep mode or power saving mode which takes at least couple seconds to access files. 0 -
and games arent rendered ? must be never seen a character in pixels before its rendered.As for hdd it doesn't work well with ssd as if there are files on it eventually lags develop between two of them,might not be noticable on internal hardrive but external ones do slow pc quite a lot especially if they arent used for a while because due to energy saving and other options they tend to go into sleep mode or power saving mode which takes at least couple seconds to access files.
Right, show me actual proof that the i7 is in fact better than the i5 by a decent margin.
It was a trick question; it isn't. There are no benefits of getting an i7 over an i5 if you're gaming.0 -
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As for hdd it doesn't work well with ssd as if there are files on it eventually lags develop between two of them,might not be noticable on internal hardrive but external ones do slow pc quite a lot especially if they arent used for a while because due to energy saving and other options they tend to go into sleep mode or power saving mode which takes at least couple seconds to access files.
What on earth do you mean that HDD and SSD don't work well together and that lag develops between the two?
Are you saying that a hard drive is slower than SSD?
Yes, HDDs go to sleep after a while with energy savings. You can usually switch off power saving features if you want to maximise performance. However, it's a good thing, in my opinion, and allows HDDs to keep an average power consumption lower than many SSDs as they can almost completely shut themselves off.
What would you propose instead? Four 512GB SSDs?
I think that SSD + HDD combination is an excellent way to balance speed with storage. It would be nice to have large SSDs for all your needs but you have to be realistic with regard to cost. It also wouldn't be wise to over-invest in a technology that's falling rapidly in price!ZeroThreat wrote: »I'm currently waiting for all the parts for my own build to arrive.
The cooler looks ever bigger here than I thought...
http://www.evga.com/forums/tm.aspx?m=1234230&mpage=1
Apparently it's quite hard to install too but the results are rewarding.
It might be no harm to get an extra pair of hands to save you some trouble. Some heatsinks can be a right pain to put together by yourself.0 -
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With an SSD there is three states the flash memory can be in.
Unused - has never been written to
Used - Currently has data stored in it
Empty - Previously contained data but has been deleted so it's ready to be written to again.
There is a performance difference between Unused and Empty, an SSD is much quicker to write to an Unused piece of flash as it can just directly write the data to it whereas when an SSD wants to write to a piece of flash marked as Empty it first reads the data that is in that piece of flash then writes the new data to the flash.
TRIM goes through your SSD looking for all those nasty pieces of flash that are marked Empty and converts the flash to Unused again. This helps keeps SSDs running closer to their rated performance while they are being used. So if you put SSDs into RAID and they lose TRIM they degrade in performance quite quickly.
I don't have the terminology correct but you should get the idea, hopefully
Here is an article that goes gives some info on the RAID situation, it's very long and it's not all about RAID but still an interesting read
http://techreport.com/articles.x/22358/10 -
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Monotype what i meant if you have lets say a 5gb game and half of its files end up on hdd other half on ssd,youd have glitches then in game in some parts of it,especially if the hdd was like 1tb full of random stuff,Unless im wrong.As for cpu i dont have a chart which compares performance versus price i5-i7 cpusas prices vary on each from couple hundred to thousand or so.
for the guy with large cooler that looks awesome like 911 tower how much did the cooler set you aside ?? 0 -
Monotype what i meant if you have lets say a 5gb game and half of its files end up on hdd other half on ssd,youd have glitches then in game in some parts of it,especially if the hdd was like 1tb full of random stuff,Unless im wrong.As for cpu i dont have a chart which compares performance versus price i5-i7 cpusas prices vary on each from couple hundred to thousand or so.
for the guy with large cooler that looks awesome like 911 tower how much did the cooler set you aside ??
Very little of that make any sense. I think what you are describing is Intel RST which apparently works really well. If you're talking about installing half a game on one drive and half on another manually I'm yet to see that done.0 -
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The parts I listed in Post #19 have shipped! How long to deliveries from Hardwareversand usually take? I haven't got a shipping confirmation for the Catleap monitor yet. 0
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Monotype what i meant if you have lets say a 5gb game and half of its files end up on hdd other half on ssd,youd have glitches then in game in some parts of it,especially if the hdd was like 1tb full of random stuff,Unless im wrong.As for cpu i dont have a chart which compares performance versus price i5-i7 cpusas prices vary on each from couple hundred to thousand or so.
for the guy with large cooler that looks awesome like 911 tower how much did the cooler set you aside ??GCDLawstudent wrote: »Very little of that make any sense. I think what you are describing is Intel RST which apparently works really well. If you're talking about installing half a game on one drive and half on another manually I'm yet to see that done.
That could happen if you moved say a particular steam game to the SSD but it relied on other parts. Most of the time it's irrelevant as you're not going to be splitting games. You're not going to experience sudden lags and glitches - That's what RAM is for! When the game is loaded, it should have near the same speeds. It's the loading that makes the difference. It can be the case where a game is poorly written for PC and designed for low quantities of RAM in consoles - you could end up with more accessing from the drive then. Finally, if the drive was full of random stuff, data could be scattered around - but that's what we have defragmentation for!
All in all, it's just nitpicking with small 'if's that could happen and there's no good solution apart from bucket-loads of cash.0 -
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