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Fukushima nuclear disaster was 'man-made' says damning new report

  • 05-07-2012 10:08PM
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    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,009 ✭✭✭✭


    Two aspects of looking at this, was it man's negligence that was partially responsible for this or was the whole incident deliberately caused by man?.

    The nuclear accident at Fukushima in Japan last year was a ‘man-made disaster’ and not completely caused by the devastating tsunami, a new report has said.

    The Japanese parliamentary panel today submitted its final report on the catastrophe. The probe is the third of its kind in Japan since the world’s worst nuclear crisis in a generation.

    In a damning report, the Diet’s Fukushima Nuclear Accident Independent Investigation Commission said:

    ‘The TEPCO Fukushima Nuclear Power Plant accident was the result of collusion between the government, the regulators and TEPCO, and the lack of governance by said parties.’

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2169061/Fukushima-nuclear-disaster-man-says-damning-new-report.html

    The Tsunami and follow up explosions were deliberate according to this report.

    http://www.pakalertpress.com/2012/07/05/311-was-japans-911-its-all-documented-folks/

    3/11 was Japan’s 9/11. It’s all documented folks!

    Not saying I agree with this theory but there are certainly some very interesting photos and points raised that would definitely not find its way into main stream media.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,568 ✭✭✭✭Cookie_Monster


    ‘The TEPCO Fukushima Nuclear Power Plant accident was the result of collusion between the government, the regulators and TEPCO, and the lack of governance by said parties.’

    so it was an accident but at the same time deliberate?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,377 ✭✭✭zenno


    Well you could say it was man-made because why would you build all your nuclear power plants exactly on top of an earthquake fault-line.

    They obviously knew there was a huge faultline directly under where they built them all. Very lacking of common sense to do so do you not think. Would you build your house on top of a nuclear bomb ? of course not but they did something similar.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,087 ✭✭✭Duiske


    zenno wrote: »
    Well you could say it was man-made because why would you build all your nuclear power plants exactly on top of an earthquake fault-line.

    They obviously knew there was a huge faultline directly under where they built them all. Very lacking of common sense to do so do you not think. Would you build your house on top of a nuclear bomb ? of course not but they did something similar.

    Apart from power being cut the plant suffered relatively little damage from both the quake and the tsunami. I think part of the man-made issue comes from the fact that the back-up generators were placed in the basement of the plant, and were knocked out when the basements flooded. They also had a plan in place to cover all the generators being knocked out, connector points that would allow for mobile generators being brought into the site and hooked into the system. Here's where it gets a bit stupid though. The connection points for the mobile generators were beside the generators, in the flooded basement. In the end it came down to bad emergency planning. Quite simply, inaccessible basement = meltdown.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,696 ✭✭✭Jonny7


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    The Tsunami and follow up explosions were deliberate according to this report.

    The report is not saying the Tsunami was man-made, its saying there was negligence in the location of the reactor, etc. Bad planning basically.

    NOT A GIANT SECRET TSUNAMI MACHINE.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,696 ✭✭✭Jonny7


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    Not saying I agree with this theory but there are certainly some very interesting photos and points raised that would definitely not find its way into main stream media.

    Go to news.google.ie type in "fukushima".


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,441 ✭✭✭✭endacl


    Of course it was 'man-made'. A nuclear reactor is not a natural feature of any landscape. Men made it. Well, i'd imagine there were women involved too, but you get my gist.

    What's your point?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,009 ✭✭✭✭Run_to_da_hills


    You obviously didn't bother reading the link.
    Jonny7 wrote: »
    Go to news.google.ie type in "fukushima".

    Find me this in any mainstream newspaper.

    http://www.jimstonefreelance.com/fukushimatoptext.jpg
    Jonny7 wrote: »
    The report is not saying the Tsunami was man-made, its saying there was negligence in the location of the reactor, etc. Bad planning basically.

    NOT A GIANT SECRET TSUNAMI MACHINE.

    Underwater Nuclear explosions as the article suggested


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,009 ✭✭✭✭Run_to_da_hills


    endacl wrote: »
    You won't find it in a mainstream newspaper. Because its bonkers. That's what the internet is for. It's an outlet for bonkers.

    So you would call that high definition aerial view of the devastated Fukushima power plant as bonkers?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,455 ✭✭✭✭Monty Burnz


    Perhaps we should make a list of disasters that aren't man-made - it would be very short! ;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,441 ✭✭✭✭endacl


    endacl wrote: »
    You won't find it in a mainstream newspaper. Because its bonkers. That's what the internet is for. It's an outlet for bonkers.

    So you would call that high definition aerial view of the devastated Fukushima power plant as bonkers?
    That's a high definition aerial view? The one in your op? Have you redefined 'high definition'?

    The graphic you quoted isn't bonkers. It's just a colourful picture. A bonkers interpretation of the graphic is, well.....

    Bonkers.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,684 ✭✭✭JustinDee


    "Man made", eh?
    "Caused by man" or "man's fault". This means deliberate, does it?
    Oh dear . . .


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,009 ✭✭✭✭Run_to_da_hills


    JustinDee wrote: »
    "Man made", eh?
    "Caused by man" or "man's fault". This means deliberate, does it?
    Oh dear . . .


    Prepare for a another possible Fukushima.

    Explosives discovered on forklift at Swedish Nuke Plant.

    http://www.woodtv.com/dpps/news/international/swedish-police-baffled-by-explosives-near-nukes-wd12-jgr_4214070

    Different mainstream press version of the story which states that the explosives were found on a vehicle outside the premises.

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/explosives-found-near-swedish-nuclear-plant-7873542.html


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,441 ✭✭✭✭endacl


    JustinDee wrote: »
    "Man made", eh?
    "Caused by man" or "man's fault". This means deliberate, does it?
    Oh dear . . .


    Prepare for a another possible Fukushima.

    Explosives discovered on forklift at Swedish Nuke Plant.

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/explosives-found-near-swedish-nuclear-plant-7873542.html
    Well done. Find one more and you have a pattern.

    Tell you what....

    Answer the 666/999 question (that is, engage in discussion), and I'll engage in discussion.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,455 ✭✭✭✭Monty Burnz


    Prepare for a another possible Fukushima.

    Explosives discovered on forklift at Swedish Nuke Plant.

    http://www.woodtv.com/dpps/news/international/swedish-police-baffled-by-explosives-near-nukes-wd12-jgr_4214070

    Different mainstream press version of the story which states that the explosives were found on a vehicle outside the premises.

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/explosives-found-near-swedish-nuclear-plant-7873542.html
    FALSE FLAG!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,441 ✭✭✭✭endacl


    Prepare for a another possible Fukushima.

    Explosives discovered on forklift at Swedish Nuke Plant.

    http://www.woodtv.com/dpps/news/international/swedish-police-baffled-by-explosives-near-nukes-wd12-jgr_4214070

    Different mainstream press version of the story which states that the explosives were found on a vehicle outside the premises.

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/explosives-found-near-swedish-nuclear-plant-7873542.html
    FALSE FLAG!
    Are you working for 'them' by any chance?

    Well?

    Monty...?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,684 ✭✭✭JustinDee


    Prepare for a another possible Fukushima.

    Explosives discovered on forklift at Swedish Nuke Plant.

    http://www.woodtv.com/dpps/news/international/swedish-police-baffled-by-explosives-near-nukes-wd12-jgr_4214070

    Different mainstream press version of the story which states that the explosives were found on a vehicle outside the premises.

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/explosives-found-near-swedish-nuclear-plant-7873542.html

    Oh ffs.
    Its as if you wish it was all a big conspiracy. Sometimes sh*t just happens. Sh*t like tsunamis and earthquakes. I guess you have to witness one of either to fathom them.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,696 ✭✭✭Jonny7


    You obviously didn't bother reading the link.

    I was referring to the Daily Mail link
    Underwater Nuclear explosions as the article suggested

    How do you know it wasn't Godzilla? or have someone not written an "article" on that yet?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,441 ✭✭✭✭endacl


    Godzilla? Now that would just be silly.

    On the other hand, there has now been a radioactive discharge into the sea off the Japanese coast...

    Watch this space!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,305 ✭✭✭Joshua J


    endacl wrote: »
    Godzilla? Now that would just be silly.

    On the other hand, there has now been a radioactive discharge into the sea off the Japanese coast...

    Watch this space!

    Dude why is every second post in this thread some spammy smart assed comment from you?. Unfortunately for everyone you're not very funny. Give it a rest eh.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,455 ✭✭✭✭Monty Burnz


    endacl wrote: »
    Are you working for 'them' by any chance?

    Well?

    Monty...?
    I would have gotten away with it if it wasn't for you pesky kids.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,441 ✭✭✭✭endacl


    Joshua J wrote: »
    endacl wrote: »
    Godzilla? Now that would just be silly.

    On the other hand, there has now been a radioactive discharge into the sea off the Japanese coast...

    Watch this space!

    Dude why is every second post in this thread some spammy smart assed comment from you?. Unfortunately for everyone you're not very funny. Give it a rest eh.
    Follow some similar threads. You'll figure it out.

    Sorry you're not enjoying my contributions. I'll do better in future.

    ;-)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,922 ✭✭✭hooradiation


    zenno wrote: »
    Well you could say it was man-made because why would you build all your nuclear power plants exactly on top of an earthquake fault-line.

    They obviously knew there was a huge faultline directly under where they built them all. Very lacking of common sense to do so do you not think. Would you build your house on top of a nuclear bomb ? of course not but they did something similar.

    Not even close to being similar, really.

    The major failure for fukushima was placing the backup generators in the basement and their subsequent flooding.
    Bad disaster plans have nothing to do with the physical proximity vis-a-vis fault lines. That aside, the plant stood up very well to an earthquake orders of magnitude beyond what it was specced to stand up to and the accompanying tsunami.
    Of course, that doesn't really matter too much when your backup generators get flooded, but the concept that "Durr, building near faultlines is bad!" is nonsense.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,455 ✭✭✭✭Monty Burnz


    It's interesting that Japan has an image as a high-tech, futuristic country, but when you go there and learn a bit about the place they are absolutely 3rd world in some respects. The levels of routine corruption there put Fianna Fail in the shade.

    An example that may be relevant in this case is the situation in Japan where there is a practice whereby the civil servants responsible for regulating a particular industry are usually hired by the companies they are used to regulate when they retire from the civil service. So the guys who are supposed to be working to protect the public are - by the time they get to senior positions in the regulatory bodies - just killing time until they earn the big money from these companies, or at worst are already working for the interests of these companies they are supposed to be regulating. They practically invented regulatory capture in Japan.


  • Posts: 25,611 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    An example that may be relevant in this case is the situation in Japan where there is a practice whereby the civil servants responsible for regulating a particular industry are usually hired by the companies they are used to regulate when they retire from the civil service. So the guys who are supposed to be working to protect the public are - by the time they get to senior positions in the regulatory bodies - just killing time until they earn the big money from these companies, or at worst are already working for the interests of these companies they are supposed to be regulating. They practically invented regulatory capture in Japan.

    Is that just a Japanese phenomenon? It's pretty damn common in the west as well.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,029 ✭✭✭shedweller


    Kobe, 1995:




    Japan 2011 (exact location unknown):



    Japan 2011(location also unknown):



    That doesn't look like a 9.0 to me. I've been in a 6.3 and it moved more than that.


    Here's a table of the richter scale:
    Richter_Scale.jpg
    And another:
    80153368.png
    Now, we can go on about how much better modern building techniques are but that doesn't cut the mustard i'm afraid.
    Suspicious shed is suspicious......:)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,922 ✭✭✭hooradiation


    Look at two sets of youtube videos and going "that doesn't look like an earthquake of X magnitude" cuts even less mustard.

    It was measured by at least two agencies that I know of (the JMA and the USGC) so unless you've something more compelling than eyeballing some youtube clips to go against, i think you're overestimating your ability to discern at a glance the moment magnitude of an earthquake.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,568 ✭✭✭✭Cookie_Monster


    Perspective.

    Christchurch got hit by a 7.0 and was flattened. New Plymouth got hit by a 7.0 last week and there was no damage. Why? Depth makes all the difference, quakes can be same magnitude but shallow ones cause far more movement and damage.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 194 ✭✭daelight


    Conspiracy Theory? Not at all. The ineptness and collusion between government and cartels such as TEPCO is well known and documented in this country. The report is clear and factual, there is no consipracy.

    3/11 is our 9/11? Nice sensational play on dates, must have taken you months to cobble that together.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,029 ✭✭✭shedweller


    Perspective.

    Christchurch got hit by a 7.0 and was flattened. New Plymouth got hit by a 7.0 last week and there was no damage. Why? Depth makes all the difference, quakes can be same magnitude but shallow ones cause far more movement and damage.
    You are of course, correct. But the movement of objects on the ground is a very good indicator of how much the ground is moving, is it not. So if those objects aren't moving a lot in the 2011 videos i posted above then, i believe, it was simply not a 9.0 where the video was shot. I've been trying to understand how an earthquakes strength decays with distance from the epicentre. Perhaps somebody can enlighten me.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,455 ✭✭✭✭Monty Burnz


    shedweller wrote: »
    You are of course, correct. But the movement of objects on the ground is a very good indicator of how much the ground is moving, is it not. So if those objects aren't moving a lot in the 2011 videos i posted above then, i believe, it was simply not a 9.0 where the video was shot. I've been trying to understand how an earthquakes strength decays with distance from the epicentre. Perhaps somebody can enlighten me.
    Why would the US geological survey (and other agencies) lie about this though?


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