If this is true then it is very very sad !

Com1186

http://www.donegaldaily.com/2012/07/02/woman-had-to-drive-garda-to-her-burgled-home-because-no-patrol-car-available/



:mad:

crusher000

Ahh the new Ireland it really is a blast. More cuts on the way people. Europe needs to be told to back off. Debts will be paid but shouldn't ne at the expense of front line services and education . But us Paddies love to be beaten down with a stick and say hit us harder we can take it.

cursai

It's a pretty common occurrence the last couple of years. Nobody heard about it too much cause the gardai(actual gardai not administration) are not allowed to express a voice about it.

POGAN

cursai wrote: »

It's a pretty common occurrence the last couple of years. Nobody heard about it too much cause the gardai(actual gardai not administration) are not allowed to express a voice about it.

If they do then you get left behind with crap resource

Mister Jingles

Well if they have new Ford's on the way soon hopefully something like this wouldn't happen again.

POGAN

Mister Jingles wrote: »

Well if they have new Ford's on the way soon hopefully something like this wouldn't happen again.

Won't hold my breath. Not enough cars not more than 150 cars over two year period no where near enough

WilcoOut

will be back to the official bicycle days

hardCopy

Surely the station should have a bike at least?

Mister Jingles

POGAN wrote: »

Won't hold my breath. Not enough cars not more than 150 cars over two year period no where near enough

True, I still can't understand why they don't just get used cars. Or do what they did with that X5.

WilcoOut

hardCopy wrote: »

Surely the station should have a bike at least?

prob nobody in the station with the course done or the gear for it :rolleyes:

Zambia

hardCopy wrote: »

Surely the station should have a bike at least?

Mister Jingles

No matter what the circumstances are, are Gardai not allowed to use their own car in the course of there duty ?

King Ludvig

Can’t remember where from (think it was an inspectorate report) but I was only reading this morning about gardaí in small stations which don't have a patrol car having to go to the district HQ in the hope that a patrol car will be available or failing that resorting to using their personal cars for issuing summonses and the likes

In a way stories like the OP posted are a good thing, they hopefully will some pressure and embarrassment on management and the government to sort out the problem with resources.

POGAN

Mister Jingles wrote: »

POGAN wrote: »

Won't hold my breath. Not enough cars not more than 150 cars over two year period no where near enough

True, I still can't understand why they don't just get used cars. Or do what they did with that X5.

Ya x5 and mondeo st,wouldn't use used cars tho leasing maybe way to go, let's see what will happen seen two BMW in the depot it's positive. Really hope they keep them like the focus estate in Dublin, mondeo estate in tip etc from 2010 tender

POGAN

King Ludvig wrote: »

Can’t remember where from (think it was an inspectorate report) but I was only reading this morning about gardaí in small stations which don't have a patrol car having to go to the district HQ in the hope that a patrol car will be available or failing that resorting to using their personal cars for issuing summonses and the likes

In a way stories like the OP posted are a good thing, they hopefully will some pressure and embarrassment on management and the government to sort out the problem with resources.

Think that was Kerry disrict can't be 100% tho

Eru

Mister Jingles wrote: »

No matter what the circumstances are, are Gardai not allowed to use their own car in the course of there duty ?

They can if they request permission AND get appropriate insurance but generally it wont happen and why would they? Only end up in the **** either with GSOC or the many around here that are only looking for something to give out about.

kub

I appreciate where rural people are coming from with these concerns. I am also aware that some terrible crimes do take place in the country side. but having said that, perhaps they might start thinking that, resources are probably put where they are needed most. Most especially to urban areas, where crime is a constant concern, not just in the middle of a recession. I also noted how the article mentioned 4 other burglaries in that area, which is probably an hourly average in an Urban area.

Having said that I must say I can almost sense that particular Garda's embarrassment.

Random

i know this is just one scenario described but ffs give the ****in gardai some ****in equipment. i dont want to have to wait for someone to go and pickup a garda from the local station while i get murdered down a back alley.

****in tds claiming expenses for touring the country muttering on about a ****in household charge. put the travel expenses toward enabling the ****in gardai to be able to ****in travel around.

wake the **** up you stupid ****in government and whoever makes these ****in decisions. stop taking resources away from police / fire / ambulance. some of us may need them to save our ****in life some ****in day.

rant over.

tom traubert

Rather than embarass myself firstly, and the job secondly, I would have done that call in my own car. If a mileage claim was subsequently turned down I would have re-submitted it as often as it took until it was paid.

To be honest, I wonder is the story a publicity stunt.

Oh yeah, to the poster, Kub, I think, who enlightens us country bumpkins that burglaries may happen at the rate of 4 per hour in urban areas! Do you/ye think that my elderly Ma (or anyone elses) would give a flying sh1te what the burglary rate is elsewhere when she's standing in HER gaff with the place torn assunder around her.

If there's not a significant redeployment of members, from Dublin in particular, to certain country divisions there will be some Chiefs and Supts exploding like angry birds such is the shortage is certain places.

Edit: Of course, this is a thread about scarce vehicles. I should have added that I have a sub-district of over 50 square miles (I sh1t you not!). We, my colleague (x1) and I, have not had a car for almost two years now. We rely on our neighbouring sub-district for transport.

Zambia

That's pretty shocking that you don't have a car at all. Back in the 90s this scenario used to happen quite a lot in Africa. I recall stories of how people had to go and pick up the cops when they found raiders outside their homes. I never thought in 2012 that would happen in Ireland.

Tyron Jara

tom traubert wrote: »

Rather than embarass myself firstly, and the job secondly, I would have done that call in my own car. If a mileage claim was subsequently turned down I would have re-submitted it as often as it took until it was paid.

To be honest, I wonder is the story a publicity stunt.

Oh yeah, to the poster, Kub, I think, who enlightens us country bumpkins that burglaries may happen at the rate of 4 per hour in urban areas! Do you/ye think that my elderly Ma (or anyone elses) would give a flying sh1te what the burglary rate is elsewhere when she's standing in HER gaff with the place torn assunder around her.

If there's not a significant redeployment of members, from Dublin in particular, to certain country divisions there will be some Chiefs and Supts exploding like angry birds such is the shortage is certain places.

Edit: Of course, this is a thread about scarce vehicles. I should have added that I have a sub-district of over 50 square miles (I sh1t you not!). We, my colleague (x1) and I, have not had a car for almost two years now. We rely on our neighbouring sub-district for transport.

If its a publicity stunt that wakes our government up to the serious issues such as a patrol car then im all for it.

Secondly I say any guard would use there own car if someone really needed them but then there is the attitude of why should we do it if were not provided the proper equipment. No patrol car for two years thats some disgrace but a reality. You know the government are cutting cutting cutting because of the bail out but there must be some EU directive that states a police force or service must be up to some standards. I mean they have it for the army, navy and god knows what else is there any for AGS because they must be breaking it by now??????

SerialComplaint

Tyron Jara wrote: »

Secondly I say any guard would use there own car if someone really needed them but then there is the attitude of why should we do it if were not provided the proper equipment.

It's nothing to do with equipment. They wouldn't be insured to drive on their employer's business.

Tyron Jara

SerialComplaint wrote: »

It's nothing to do with equipment. They wouldn't be insured to drive on their employer's business.

Oh really?? I didnt know that. Has there ever been a time were members were encouraged to use their own vehicles??
The vehicle situation is beyond a joke at this stage...with the new roster it shows they havent thought things out at all as theres barely one vehicle a station these days.

starviewadams

Maybe AGS could rent out advertising space on the sides of patrol cars/vans/stations etc in exchange for the advertisers providing them with new vehicles,sort of like the Dublin bikes/JC Decaux deal.

Sounds ridiculous but you have to think outside the box in this day and age,any new cars are better then none!

starviewadams

starviewadams wrote: »

Maybe AGS could rent out advertising space on the sides of patrol cars/vans/stations etc in exchange for the advertisers providing them with new vehicles,sort of like the Dublin bikes/JC Decaux deal.

Or license out the logo/livery to companies to make Garda halloween costumes, model scale cars, action figures, etc. as most other Police services do?

tom traubert

SerialComplaint wrote: »

Tyron Jara wrote: »

Secondly I say any guard would use there own car if someone really needed them but then there is the attitude of why should we do it if were not provided the proper equipment.

It's nothing to do with equipment. They wouldn't be insured to drive on their employer's business.

Once the employee purchases a policy which indemnifies the employer it is sufficient.

Full "class 2" insurance is not a requirement.

SerialComplaint

tom traubert wrote: »

Once the employee purchases a policy which indemnifies the employer it is sufficient.

Full "class 2" insurance is not a requirement.

Sufficient for who? The employer or the car owner?

It's not just about indemnifying the employer. The employee/car owner needs to know that he is covered for damage to his car or any damage he causes to other people or cars while driving on Garda business. Given that Garda business can involve unique situations, including at times, high speed chases, or being a target for other vehicles, the chances of finding an insurer to cover this are slim.

kub

So is it all bull so when for example on a TV cop show, some police man commandeer's a passing motorists car, Hollywood stuff, or can American Police officers do this and be covered for it by law?

Just wondering would this not be a handy law to pass now in this country? Imagine it, Gardai waiting at some junction at rush hour selecting some suitable vehicle for the day.

Actually the way things are going I am beginning to imagine Gardai at the side of roadways tumbing lifts.

tom traubert

SerialComplaint wrote: »

tom traubert wrote: »

Once the employee purchases a policy which indemnifies the employer it is sufficient.

Full "class 2" insurance is not a requirement.

Sufficient for who? The employer or the car owner?

It's not just about indemnifying the employer. The employee/car owner needs to know that he is covered for damage to his car or any damage he causes to other people or cars while driving on Garda business. Given that Garda business can involve unique situations, including at times, high speed chases, or being a target for other vehicles, the chances of finding an insurer to cover this are slim.

Sufficient for the employer. If I use my own car in the course of a working day I do so knowing that the state is indemnified. I am covered to the same extent as I am when driving to and from work.

The important thing is knowing when to use your own car and when not to. Usually, it is only used when travelling to or from courts or other similar run of the mill journeys. That being said though, if a call such as a burglary came in and I had to get to the location and no official transport was available I would use my own car rather than make a distressed householder wait longer than was reasonable.

For me it's about the application of common sense, something that seems to be sadly lacking in many areas if our organisation a lot of the time.

audidiesel

why should we use our own vehicles to respond to calls. if god forbid something happens i can be damn sure the state wont help me out and as a result my insurance premiums rise etc.

i would not use my own car for anything outside court or a course. anything other than that the state either supplies a vehicle or i just dont go.

suppose i went to a burglary in my own car. while there i saw the suspect driving off in a car. what am i to do then? follow in my own car? id hate to be the poor sod who opens that can of worms.

id say that as it stands in a lot of places, if its far out and theres no transport available, then it could be a few hours before a call is responded to. its not the situation any of us want and it is a disgrace but theres not much we can do about it at present until they shore up the fleet.

tom traubert

audidiesel wrote: »

why should we use our own vehicles to respond to calls...................

No member is obliged to use their own vehicle. Ever.

As I've already said, common sense dictates when I am willing to use mine.

"What if" scenarios annoy me like mosquitos do. If everything started with a "what if" we'd rot in our beds and do nothing with, or for, ourselves.

I'm as pissed off as the next man with the way things are going in work but I'm not going to lie down in the face of it either.

Iwannahurl

Woman drives garda to crime scene

She contacted gardaí at her local station in Newtowncunningham but was told the garda on duty did not have any transport.

She then drove to the Garda station, which was about a mile [1.6km] from her house, and brought the garda back to examine the scene of the break-in.



Making strides against crime

A chara, – I was surprised to read that there is a garda in Donegal who could not visit a house that had been burgled because it was a mile from his barracks, and he did not have a patrol car (Home News, July 4th).

I am 79, and can walk a mile in 20 minutes, and cycle it in seven. Indeed I have a friend who is 87, and he can do the same thing. – Yours, etc,

JAMES HARDEN,
Adare, Co Limerick.

SerialComplaint

tom traubert wrote: »

Sufficient for the employer. If I use my own car in the course of a working day I do so knowing that the state is indemnified. I am covered to the same extent as I am when driving to and from work.

No, you're not. Your current policy covers you for driving to/from work. It doesn't cover you for driving FOR work, unless you have specifically extended your cover to include driving on Garda business. Unless you have that cover, you would be driving uninsured - just like most of those take-away delivery drivers nixering in their own cars in the evenings.

Pappa Charlie

Iwannahurl wrote: »

Woman drives garda to crime scene

She contacted gardaí at her local station in Newtowncunningham but was told the garda on duty did not have any transport.

She then drove to the Garda station, which was about a mile [1.6km] from her house, and brought the garda back to examine the scene of the break-in.



Making strides against crime

A chara, – I was surprised to read that there is a garda in Donegal who could not visit a house that had been burgled because it was a mile from his barracks, and he did not have a patrol car (Home News, July 4th).

I am 79, and can walk a mile in 20 minutes, and cycle it in seven. Indeed I have a friend who is 87, and he can do the same thing. – Yours, etc,

JAMES HARDEN,
Adare, Co Limerick.

I have a feeling it was more of a case of the injured party wanting a Garda at their house ASAP and hense the lift in the car. The weather conditions may also have been a factor as it has been raining quite alot recently if you havent noticed. Its great that James can walk the mile in 20 minutes and long may he continue to do it, but hes not trying to provide a service and maybe the next call would 7 or 8 miles away and the one after that and indeed after that. James might find after a week that he too would like the use of a car to do the job in a rural area!

tom traubert

SerialComplaint wrote: »

tom traubert wrote: »

Sufficient for the employer. If I use my own car in the course of a working day I do so knowing that the state is indemnified. I am covered to the same extent as I am when driving to and from work.

No, you're not...............

Yes I am.

SerialComplaint

tom traubert wrote: »

Yes I am.

You're not covered to drive your car on work business, unless you have bought the extra cover required.

See http://www.glennons.ie/personal/motor-information-centre/calculator/#4

Unless you buy 'Class 1' cover, you're not covered for business use. And good luck with trying to buy Class 1 cover as a Garda.

mikemac1

cursai wrote: »

It's a pretty common occurrence the last couple of years. Nobody heard about it too much cause the gardai(actual gardai not administration) are not allowed to express a voice about it.

I've heard the GRA speak out before

Where were they over this?

tom traubert

SerialComplaint wrote: »

tom traubert wrote: »

Yes I am.

You're not covered to drive your car on work business, unless you have bought the extra cover required.

See http://www.glennons.ie/personal/motor-information-centre/calculator/#4

Unless you buy 'Class 1' cover, you're not covered for business use. And good luck with trying to buy Class 1 cover as a Garda.

You are correct re: the necessity to purchase "class 1" cover. I've had no issue with getting it at reasonable cost at any stage of my career.

The only insurer that flatly refused to quote me last year due to my occupation was FBD.

Perhaps it's an age / experience / ncb issue for some members?

Triangla

Let's hope a few minsters get broken into an experience the same.

Might get something done, crazy that we have people employed to protect us and don't give them the means with which to do it.

starviewadams

They'd probably just send the helicopter out if a ministers house gets burgaled!