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You keep saying an AR/semi kills just like a bolt action, which is true- but guess which one fires 800 bullets a minute.
800 rounds a minute with a semi auto, someone has a quick trigger finger
BTW: I get the impression you think all these hoops (clubs/competency course/insurance,secure accomodation etc) and all that money is what you need for a semi-auto. No. Thats how much its going to cost you for any rifle/shotgun/firearm in this country. Like was already said, getting started in shooting isnt cheap.
Hunting isn't. Gun Club membership and Insurance 100 euro. Safe, second hand shotgun and license could be picked up for 400 quid.0 -
Perhaps I'm making waves here, but I can see, in the climate in which some of you live, that questions might be asked as to why you want to have an easily concealable firearm like this?
tac
Its a .22 with a 18.5" barrel..What's easily concealable about that?
A lot of cz's have a 16" factory barrel..0 -
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800 rounds a minute with a semi auto, someone has a quick trigger finger
Yeh I thought that myself but when I was in the states me and a friend bought an AR and it said in the manual the rate of fire is 800 rounds per minute. Although thats more or less what the rifle is capable of, not necessairly what you are capable of. Similar to those 50 cals hitting center mass on a person at over a mile away, the weapon is up to it- but is the shooter.
EDIT: Just to be clear, it was my friend bought the rifle not me- I just tagged along for the free shooting 0 -
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Its a .22 with a 18.5" barrel..What's easily concealable about that?
A lot of cz's have a 16" factory barrel..
Please read what the OP wrote in post #24 -
Quote - 'Huh, that's a big pile of money
I'll just drop the AR. I'm not that rich. So... what about this gun? People say it's good for beginners http://www.ruger.com/products/1022Takedown/models.html '
The Ruger 10/22 takedown model has a quickly-removable barrel assembly that makes the gun divide into two compact pieces.
To tell the truth I'm not certain whether such a 'concealable' firearm is actually legal in the RoI, let alone available yet. I was in Oregon last month and my local gun store was still awaiting his shipment. I hope that I can be put right, or wrong, as the case may be.
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Ah apologies I didnt realise it broke into 2.Please read what the OP wrote in post #24 -
Quote - 'Huh, that's a big pile of money I'll just drop the AR. I'm not that rich. So... what about this gun? People say it's good for beginners http://www.ruger.com/products/1022Takedown/models.html '
The Ruger 10/22 takedown model has a quickly-removable barrel assembly that makes the gun divide into two compact pieces.
To tell the truth I'm not certain whether such a 'concealable' firearm is actually legal in the RoI, let alone available yet. I was in Oregon last month and my local gun store was still awaiting his shipment. I hope that I can be put right, or wrong, as the case may be.
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Mind you, going by these definitions, every single ISSF rifle in the country is "concealable" because they are all in effect takedown stocks to one degree or another, whether it's just the buttplate that comes off or whether it's something like the new air rifle stocks:
It's not for concealability; it's because it lets you use a smaller, lighter Peli and pay less excess baggage when going to matches abroad. I would imagine the same is true of the 10/22 (hate that rifle btw, I prefer ones that are accurate when you buy them, not after you've spent two to three times the price of the rifle in aftermarket parts and done the manufacturer's job for them). A concealable firearm, to me at least, means one that is concealed in a usable condition, not one that's basicly in pieces that need to be assembled before you can use it. Otherwise, a bag of spare parts or a lump of iron ore could be concealed firearms
(BTW Mike, there are other reasons for having a firearm past hunting and target shooting, vets have them for humane dispatch, athletics clubs have starter pistols, etc, etc, etc...)0 -
(BTW Mike, there are other reasons for having a firearm past hunting and target shooting, vets have them for humane dispatch, athletics clubs have starter pistols, etc, etc, etc...)
Good point there Sparks Next time I have the dog with the vet I'll have to ask him does he have a pistol Suppose they can probably licence a centerfire pistol if they want can they? 0 -
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Mind you, going by these definitions, every single ISSF rifle in the country is "concealable" because they are all in effect takedown stocks to one degree or another, whether it's just the buttplate that comes off or whether it's something like the new air rifle stocks:
It's not for concealability; it's because it lets you use a smaller, lighter Peli and pay less excess baggage when going to matches abroad. I would imagine the same is true of the 10/22 (hate that rifle btw, I prefer ones that are accurate when you buy them, not after you've spent two to three times the price of the rifle in aftermarket parts and done the manufacturer's job for them). A concealable firearm, to me at least, means one that is concealed in a usable condition, not one that's basicly in pieces that need to be assembled before you can use it. Otherwise, a bag of spare parts or a lump of iron ore could be concealed firearms
(BTW Mike, there are other reasons for having a firearm past hunting and target shooting, vets have them for humane dispatch, athletics clubs have starter pistols, etc, etc, etc...)
I totally disagree with you, sir. The OP does not appear to be interested in either an ISSF rifle, or taking his firearm abroad. What he IS interested in is getting started in shooting for the very least amount of money necessary.
My point about a gun in the lower price market that is principally designed to be taken to pieces as a matter of convenience to the shooter is that it is not only more expensive than the basic 10/22 carbine [an already compact firearm] but is bound, in the RoI, to engender questions from the PTB.
I'm out.
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And my point, which you seem to have missed as well, is that "takedown" does not mean "concealable", and the AGS have no problem licencing takedown firearms.
I think the point Tac was getting at was that a takedown firearm, although not shootable whilst broken, can still be transported easily without arousing suspicion. And to be fair, although I missed his the point the first time around (sorry Tac
), I think he might be onto something- just because everybody here on boards/shooting knows better doesnt mean the AGS will. 0 -
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