Pint of Guinness €3.50 and 2.8% vol

allthedoyles

Anyone know what the story is with this one .

a Pint of the black stuff for €3.50 and 2.8 % vol .......

I don't think its good value ..........don't taste the same as a regular pint of Guinness

B.A._Baracus

Never heard of 2.8% vol ... weird alright.

Is it a can?
or are pubs selling it?


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http://www.guinness.com/en-ie/thebeer-draught-midstrength.html

Guinness® Mid-Strength

Guinness Mid-Strength is brewed in exactly the same way as regular 4.2% alcohol Guinness. The same key ingredients are used, ensuring the same distinct quality and taste. The only difference from standard Guinness is the lower alcohol content of 2.8%.

Guinness Mid-Strength gives the Guinness adorer an alternative drink choice which is perfect for those more casual occasions: Mid-week, Sundays, watching the game with mates... Whatever the occasion, make it a Guinness Mid-Strength!

haha ... "mid-week" & "sundays" :pac: Its like they are trying to market alcohol for people who work. But yet do not wanna say the words "why wait till the weekend? drink during the week!"

Glico Man

The only Guinness that has 2.8% ABV was Guinness mid-strength and that hasn't been sold in about 5 years. Guinness draught, bottles and cans are generally between 4.1% and 4.3%

The ABV then varies from country to country and continent to continent.

scotchy

aaronh007 wrote: »

The only Guinness that has 2.8% ABV was Guinness mid-strength and that hasn't been sold in about 5 years. Guinness draught, bottles and cans are generally between 4.1% and 4.3%

The ABV then varies from country to country and continent to continent.

It's still on sale.

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Glico Man

scotchy wrote: »

It's still on sale.

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Really? Did not know that. Never saw it for sale anywhere in Cork, nor Belfast.

arybvtcw0eolkf

aaronh007 wrote: »

The only Guinness that has 2.8% ABV was Guinness mid-strength and that hasn't been sold in about 5 years. Guinness draught, bottles and cans are generally between 4.1% and 4.3%

The ABV then varies from country to country and continent to continent.

Its still on sale.

I was given a pint in my local recently and its fvcking disgusting crap.

Btw, Guinness EXPORT is the dogs bollox ~ somewhere around 7.3%

allthedoyles

Had a pint tonight too .....crap taste

Its called mid-strength and been targetted at drivers and casual drinkers .

But it ain't nice ( imo )

policarp

Why not try Beamish?

Cheaper than Guinness and more consistant.

mikemac1

Where is this on sale OP?

I've not seen this in 4 or 5 years

Very suprised

My advice: Drink Murphys

MrStuffins

policarp wrote: »

Why not try Beamish?

Cheaper than Guinness and more consistant.

You know what else is more consistent with Beamish?

The trots!

FanadMan

allthedoyles wrote: »

Anyone know what the story is with this one .

a Pint of the black stuff for €3.50 and 2.8 % vol .......

I don't think its good value ..........don't taste the same as a regular pint of Guinness

My local sells the real Guinness for the exact same price....and has been €3.50 for a few years

Where To

People these days are geting too soft

The only way to drink stout is out of a pint bottle, off the shelf with a hot poker stuck in it.

Still tastes sh1te but at least it put hairs on your chest.*




*hairy chested women are sexy too

Dravokivich

Blooming'eck that's a bit of a joke at that price. Then again, the price of drink is, in most Dublin pubs.

rubadub

Dravokivich wrote: »

Blooming'eck that's a bit of a joke at that price.

Its not too bad relatively speaking, instead of 2 pints of this somebody might opt for a regular pint and a pint of lemonade for the second.

A pint of schweppes in my local would be about €13, its over 4 1/2 bottles. To fill a pint glass with coke is €8.50

Plazaman

Classic reply from a punter in my local, where they sell the mid-strenght, when asked why he was drinking it.

"Ah sure I can have 3 or 4 of these and still drive home".

:eek:

Eh, No, I don't think it works like that.

Dravokivich

rubadub wrote: »

Its not too bad relatively speaking, instead of 2 pints of this somebody might opt for a regular pint and a pint of lemonade for the second.

A pint of schweppes in my local would be about €13, its over 4 1/2 bottles. To fill a pint glass with coke is €8.50

As I said, at that price. I generally drink in a slight range of pubs, mainly 3.60 / 4 for a pint. If I'm getting less from the drink, I don't want to be paying close to what I value as the full price.

I don't like the way they are setting the expectation that 3.50 is a reasonable price for this because it boosts the idea of a full %abv pint for a fiver, which I consider to be excessive.

biko

AH -> Beers
Never seen it sold around Galway.

antodeco

Save your self money. Order a normal pint, a pint of water and an empty pint glass. Pour half Guinness in the empty pint glass and half water. Mix. There you go. If it's what they do for low fat milk and diet coke, you can do it for Guinness.

Seaneh

Renee Ripe Fang wrote: »

Its still on sale.

I was given a pint in my local recently and its fvcking disgusting crap.

Btw, Guinness EXPORT is the dogs bollox ~ somewhere around 7.3%

You mean Guinness Foreign Extra?

Seaneh

biko wrote: »

AH -> Beers
Never seen it sold around Galway.

It's in a fair few pubs...

Seaneh

antodeco wrote: »

Save your self money. Order a normal pint, a pint of water and an empty pint glass. Pour half Guinness in the empty pint glass and half water. Mix. There you go. If it's what they do for low fat milk and diet coke, you can do it for Guinness.

That's not what they do for low fat milk or diet coke and it certainly isn't what they do for Guinness mid-strength.

biko

Seaneh wrote: »

It's in a fair few pubs...

Can you point out a few? I'll try out next time I'm out.

Seaneh

biko wrote: »

Can you point out a few? I'll try out next time I'm out.

Sheridans, The Huntsman off the top of my head, seen it in a few more though.

biko

Sweet, I'll try Sheridans next time I'm craving a pint with my hot wings.

adamski8

Plazaman wrote: »

Classic reply from a punter in my local, where they sell the mid-strenght, when asked why he was drinking it.

"Ah sure I can have 3 or 4 of these and still drive home".

:eek:

Eh, No, I don't think it works like that.

why not, nearly the same as having two 2 regular pints which takes about 2-3 hrs to metabolise and if he is drinking 4 pints of it probably he drinking over he course of 3 hrs so he should be pretty sober i would think.

the beer revolu

Seaneh wrote: »

You mean Guinness Foreign Extra?

Maybe they mean Guinness Special Export - hard to find, slightly stronger, much nicer bottle and more expensive.

allthedoyles

Plazaman wrote: »

Classic reply from a punter in my local, where they sell the mid-strenght, when asked why he was drinking it.

"Ah sure I can have 3 or 4 of these and still drive home".

:eek:

Eh, No, I don't think it works like that.

The publican also told me that this Guinness mid-strength was usually drank by customers that would be driving home afterwards .

Said they normally drink no more than 2 pints

rubadub

adamski8 wrote: »

nearly the same as having two 2 regular pints which takes about 2-3 hrs to metabolise

Yeah, people hear stuff like "you're allowed 1 pint", and take it as gospel, like it would hold up in court.

A 50stone man is not going to have the same blood alcohol level after 1 pint as an anorexic dwarf.

brick tamland

Quite popular in golf clubs and the likes where people might want a pint after their round and still be able to drive home

Ive also seen 1/2 strenght carlsberg on draft and pint bottles of 1/2 strenght bulmers. Ive had the bulmers once when driving and it was similar to the orignal

cullenswood

brick tamland wrote: »

Quite popular in golf clubs and the likes where people might want a pint after their round and still be able to drive home

Ive also seen 1/2 strenght carlsberg on draft and pint bottles of 1/2 strenght bulmers. Ive had the bulmers once when driving and it was similar to the orignal

Where did you see the half strength Carlsberg?

brick tamland

cullenswood wrote: »

Where did you see the half strength Carlsberg?

I seen it in some golf club bar or other ( sorry cant remember, Maybe corrstown ), a few years ago mind

I think the novelty may have worn off the mid strengt stuff a touch as they were in a lot of bars a few years ago, I havent seen much of them lately.

calvin_zola

Dravokivich wrote: »

Blooming'eck that's a bit of a joke at that price. Then again, the price of drink is, in most Dublin pubs.

am I wrong in thinking that mid strength beer is over priced in Ireland. I though that tax and duty was paid on the amount of alchol in the drink... this would make this drink relatively cheap. And it would make non alky erdinger cheaper aswell

BeerNut

calvin_zola wrote: »

I though that tax and duty was paid on the amount of alchol in the drink... this would make this drink relatively cheap.

Beer pricing doesn't work that way. A much more important factor than the alcohol content is how much people are willing to pay for it.

Before rubadub comes along to say it: compare, for example, the per ml price of a bottle of Heineken in the pub versus the same beer on draught in the same place.

the beer revolu

calvin_zola wrote: »

I though that tax and duty was paid on the amount of alchol in the drink... this would make this drink relatively cheap. And it would make non alky erdinger cheaper aswell

You are right, the duty on beer is calculated on the alcohol content, then the VAT is calculated on the value of the beer + the duty.

However, as Beernut points out, that doesn't determine the price in the pub - it just influences (along with whatever wholesalers add on) the cost price. The free (artificially restricted ) market determines the final price.

norrie rugger

I would imagine that the smaller scale brewing would also account for the price and that they would not want your honest publican buying it at a huge discount and passing it off as regular Guinness

calvin_zola

BeerNut wrote: »

Beer pricing doesn't work that way. A much more important factor than the alcohol content is how much people are willing to pay for it.

Before rubadub comes along to say it: compare, for example, the per ml price of a bottle of Heineken in the pub versus the same beer on draught in the same place.

the beer revolu wrote: »

You are right, the duty on beer is calculated on the alcohol content, then the VAT is calculated on the value of the beer + the duty.

However, as Beernut points out, that doesn't determine the price in the pub - it just influences (along with whatever wholesalers add on) the cost price. The free (artificially restricted ) market determines the final price.

norrie rugger wrote: »

I would imagine that the smaller scale brewing would also account for the price and that they would not want your honest publican buying it at a huge discount and passing it off as regular Guinness

On the ball, i get ye. Its a kind of marketing and perception effort. I never thought of the long neck heineken v draught heineken pric comparison.

the beer revolu

calvin_zola wrote: »

On the ball, i get ye. Its a kind of marketing and perception effort. I never thought of the long neck heineken v draught heineken pric comparison.

or what a full pint of coke/7UP would cost in a pub which has no alcohol or related duty.

calvin_zola

the beer revolu wrote: »

or what a full pint of coke/7UP would cost in a pub which has no alcohol or related duty.

If I am driving over to have a drink where the misses works its cheaper for me to buy a non alcholic erdinger thana pint of 7up, so that is what i usually buy

biko

biko wrote: »

Sweet, I'll try Sheridans next time I'm craving a pint with my hot wings.

Had one yesterday, never again. Not sure if it tasted like watered down Guinness or just tasted not nice, but I'll stick with the real stuff.

Heroditas

biko wrote: »

but I'll stick with the real stuff.

The real stuff is the Foreign Extra

Seaneh

biko wrote: »

Had one yesterday, never again. Not sure if it tasted like watered down Guinness or just tasted not nice, but I'll stick with the real stuff.

The real stuff would be the Extra Stout in the 500ml bottle, that is the original recipe, you can get it in a lot of bars.

The nitro'd stuff in pubs is piss they invented in the 60's to make it colder and more palatable to the masses, ie, reduce the flavour.

BeerNut

Seaneh wrote: »

The real stuff would be the Extra Stout in the 500ml bottle, that is the original recipe

:rolleyes: It's the same beer as the draught version, just carbonated differently.

the beer revolu

BeerNut wrote: »

:rolleyes: It's the same beer as the draught version, just carbonated differently.

Is it really identical in every other way?

BeerNut

I'm just going on their own FAQ:

Does GUINNESS® Draught use the same brewing recipe as Extra Stout?

The recipes for GUINNESS® Draught and GUINNESS® Extra Stout are very similar in all aspects. The difference is that GUINNESS® Draught is dispensed using a mixture of Nitrogen and Carbon Dioxide to produce the famous tight creamy head while GUINNESS® Extra Stout has more carbonation for increased refreshment.

Seaneh

BeerNut wrote: »

I'm just going on their own FAQ:

Does GUINNESS® Draught use the same brewing recipe as Extra Stout?

The recipes for GUINNESS® Draught and GUINNESS® Extra Stout are very similar in all aspects. The difference is that GUINNESS® Draught is dispensed using a mixture of Nitrogen and Carbon Dioxide to produce the famous tight creamy head while GUINNESS® Extra Stout has more carbonation for increased refreshment.

they taste extremely different. i'd been told before that the nitro recipe was only decades old and not the same as the Extra. was also told the extra was what was sold everywhere from the taps until being replaced by the nitro. their blurb says similar but not the same.

BeerNut

Both versions are pale malt and roast barley so have no ancestor older than the 1930s.

And both recipes have changed a lot over the 20th century. From the table here I think it's extremely likely that any Extra Stout drinker would have noticed the difference between a bottle in 1948 -- 4.08% ABV and 72.12% attenuated -- versus a bottle of the same beer in 1950 when it was attenuated all the way to 82.3%, leaving it 5% ABV. Guinness Extra Stout looks to have hit a post-war peak at 5.44% ABV in 1953 and must have been ash-dry at near 94% attenuation.

Nitro and non-nitro Guinness do taste extremely different, but that's mostly a testament to the importance of aroma propelled by carbonation in forming beer flavour.

rubadub

I seem to remember some regular here saying they heard draught guinness was a watered down version of either foreign extra or special export.

As for nitro vs CO2, some people here would have tasted both versions of "dark arts" porter.

I suppose if really interested you could let both go flat and compare a shot of each. I know guinness draught has nutritional info on the can, not sure about extra but you could compare. Also if draught really is watered down foreign extra/special export and you know their nutritional values then they should be in proportion.

calvin_zola wrote: »

I though that tax and duty was paid on the amount of alchol in the drink... this would make this drink relatively cheap. And it would make non alky erdinger cheaper aswell

With many non alcholic drinks they have to post process them to remove the alcohol, using the likes of reverse osmosis. So this increases production costs which can offset some of the savings on duty that you might expect.

I am not sure how mid strength is made, but perhaps it is brewed to normal strength with only a bit removed by reverse osmosis or something. e.g. the same raw materials might go into it, so its not like it would be cheaper that way, and then might have post processing costs.

Either way, as mentioned they charge what they can get. If you were to graph all sub 6% drinks in a pub they probably have a trend of getting more expensive per ml as the % goes down (due to ridiculously expensive soft drinks).

Its weird how people just accept the status quo of pricing like this, as its what they grew up with. A mate was having a lighthearted go at me for drinking "fancy beer" down the pub, it was a 500ml of staropramen, he was telling me it was a rip off at €5.10. Now this guy often drinks corona (330ml), if I told him I got one for €3.40 he would be saying its a bargain.

If longnecks were never out before and introduced amongst 500ml ones tomorrow I expect many more people would see the obvious discrepancy.

Same idea if 330ml cans were the norm and they brought out these 125-200ml bottles.

BeerNut

rubadub wrote: »

I seem to remember some regular here saying they heard draught guinness was a watered down version of either foreign extra or special export.

Probably me. But I have it on better authority than me that it isn't true. If you want to take my word for it