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Tips on transplanting a large Camellia

  • 01-07-2012 1:11pm
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 185 ✭✭


    Hi.
    I have a large Camellia, about 8 years old in a pot. The pot dimensions are 50cms diameter x 50cms high. The height of the camellia is about 140cms from the top of the pot. This year is the first time there were no buds - normally it's a mass of red flowers in Spring time. I'm wondering if it is pot bound? I was thinking of transplanting it into the ground, but I think it will be very difficult to get out of the pot. Has anyone any suggestions about how I could get it out without damaging it?

    Thanks in advance.


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 15,858 ✭✭✭✭paddy147


    Monsclara wrote: »
    Hi.
    I have a large Camellia, about 8 years old in a pot. The pot dimensions are 50cms diameter x 50cms high. The height of the camellia is about 140cms from the top of the pot. This year is the first time there were no buds - normally it's a mass of red flowers in Spring time. I'm wondering if it is pot bound? I was thinking of transplanting it into the ground, but I think it will be very difficult to get out of the pot. Has anyone any suggestions about how I could get it out without damaging it?

    Thanks in advance.


    If its a large plastic pot,then just cut/scour it down the sides in 4 places with a sharp stanley blade,and peel the pot away and down the plant.Then you have the plant and its base exposed to transplant.

    Thats what we did with some large baux balls.:)

    Make sure to have a 2nd person there with you,as large plants with their soil base can weigh alot when trying to lift them clean from the pots.You dont want/need a back injury.:(;)

    If its pot bound,then gently pull out some of the roots so that they will find the new soil and spread out.:)

    Also add in some new compost and also plant food too.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,109 ✭✭✭Oldtree


    Make sure that the rootball is thoroughly saturated with water before replanting. Put tray under pot and keep filling tray until pot absorbs no more water.

    My camelia 'apollo' seems to like an organic liquid feed mixed with a bit of liquid seaweed, got a great flowering this year. It is in a damp spot and took a few years to get going.

    As paddy147 says, dont be afraid to break up a bit of the pots compost to get the roots to spread out a bit if rootbound.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 185 ✭✭Monsclara


    Paddy147, Oldtree - thanks for getting back to me. One of my (several!) problems is the camellia is in one of those bronze type pots - not sure of the material but have attached pic. So I'm reluctant to take it apart. My plan was to try and get it out of the pot and put it in the ground where the cobblelock is. But I'm now wondering about the practicalities of that idea. Because of its size, it blocks everything behind it, hence the idea of planting it in the ground in the corner (where there is hardly any sun). But reading your suggestions I'm not sure this is a wise way to tackle it. I think because of its size, it would need a massive hole in the ground and it would be difficult to retain the pot. So the alternative is to just push it into the corner, in the pot and keep it as year round foliage. Would this make any sense? It is a shame as it was an amazing show in the springtime - couple of pics attached when it was younger. Not sure what to do.:confused:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,109 ✭✭✭Oldtree


    Ok bit clearer now. getting bit big for that pot so probably best to move now, its not going to get any easier. You are going to have to dig it out. By the shape of the pot you would have to stick a fairly sharp concrete trowel or somesuch (I have one and its fab for planting small stuff) straight down by the edges to meet where the pot curves in, all around the edge, then hold the plant up and see if you can tap the pot off. You may damage some roots, but could then do a little bit of pruning at the same time to balance that out.

    211192.jpg

    the planting hole would not need to be much bigger but break up the bottom of the hole to allow the roots to get an easy start. Pelleted chicken manure at bottom of hole, yum yum. Liquid seaweed to enhance micro nutirents to help recover from shock and a cup of tea for you too.

    lovely healthy looking plant.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 15,858 ✭✭✭✭paddy147


    Its a "dig it out" job unfortunately.

    A long faced spade or a plasterers/blocklayers trowel and make the cuts/ slices into the pot around the edges.

    Then lever it/tease it out gently by the base of the plant and take your time doing it too.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,109 ✭✭✭Oldtree


    if there is a hole in the bottom of the pot it would help to prod the rootball up with somthing! ;):o


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 15,858 ✭✭✭✭paddy147


    Or a lump hammer???;):D

    Only kidding.:)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 357 ✭✭cozzie55


    IF you don't have a shovel handy then use a long kitchen/bread knife. Your guaranteed to destroy the roots but once you water etc etc as mentioned above it should recover from the shock.
    I would say don't do the job while its overly warm and dry as the plant will dry out too quickly. This weather is good for it but you may be better off leaving it till september/october. I would be doubtful of getting many buds on the plant next year if you want though.
    I'd say your best bet is to wait and transplant later in the year but in the mean time feed the plant as much as possible with good fertiliser.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,834 ✭✭✭Sonnenblumen


    Monsclara wrote: »
    Hi.
    I have a large Camellia, about 8 years old in a pot. The pot dimensions are 50cms diameter x 50cms high. The height of the camellia is about 140cms from the top of the pot. This year is the first time there were no buds - normally it's a mass of red flowers in Spring time. I'm wondering if it is pot bound? I was thinking of transplanting it into the ground, but I think it will be very difficult to get out of the pot. Has anyone any suggestions about how I could get it out without damaging it?

    Thanks in advance.

    I doubt the problems affecting your Camellia have anything to do with 'pot-bound' and transplanting now would exacerbate the current problem. Drought (during previous summer) is more likely to be the cause for lack of buds this year.

    Camellias are very vulnerable to drought and transplanting during the summer period into ground/pot would not be advisable.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,109 ✭✭✭Oldtree


    I doubt the problems affecting your Camellia have anything to do with 'pot-bound' and transplanting now would exacerbate the current problem. Drought (during previous summer) is more likely to be the cause for lack of buds this year.

    Camellias are very vulnerable to drought and transplanting during the summer period into ground/pot would not be advisable.

    I dont think it could be said that we have a drought here at the moment, nor is one likely to arrive any time soon. As long as the same watering regimen is maintained for this summer, and perhaps for next spring if dry, it matters not whether the plant is in a pot or transplanted. In fact it could benefit the plant to allow it to set new roots before the winter. This is not really transplanting, as such, more a potting up issue.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 185 ✭✭Monsclara


    Oldtree wrote: »
    Ok bit clearer now. getting bit big for that pot so probably best to move now, its not going to get any easier. You are going to have to dig it out. By the shape of the pot you would have to stick a fairly sharp concrete trowel or somesuch (I have one and its fab for planting small stuff) straight down by the edges to meet where the pot curves in, all around the edge, then hold the plant up and see if you can tap the pot off. You may damage some roots, but could then do a little bit of pruning at the same time to balance that out.

    211192.jpg

    the planting hole would not need to be much bigger but break up the bottom of the hole to allow the roots to get an easy start. Pelleted chicken manure at bottom of hole, yum yum. Liquid seaweed to enhance micro nutirents to help recover from shock and a cup of tea for you too.

    lovely healthy looking plant.
    Oldtree: you're a whiz on the Photoshop - thank you. This looks like it's going to be a long project and several cups of tea and many posts :rolleyes:. Your last ingredients look like something you would read in one of these noveau chef/recipe books - for plants of course. I'll give it a go and keep you posted.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 185 ✭✭Monsclara


    paddy147 wrote: »
    Its a "dig it out" job unfortunately.

    A long faced spade or a plasterers/blocklayers trowel and make the cuts/ slices into the pot around the edges.

    Then lever it/tease it out gently by the base of the plant and take your time doing it too.

    Thanks Paddy. I'll keep you posted :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 185 ✭✭Monsclara


    paddy147 wrote: »
    Or a lump hammer???;):D

    Only kidding.:)

    :eek:


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 182 ✭✭Burt Lancaster


    Ask Prince Charles

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 185 ✭✭Monsclara


    cozzie55 wrote: »
    IF you don't have a shovel handy then use a long kitchen/bread knife. Your guaranteed to destroy the roots but once you water etc etc as mentioned above it should recover from the shock.
    I would say don't do the job while its overly warm and dry as the plant will dry out too quickly. This weather is good for it but you may be better off leaving it till september/october. I would be doubtful of getting many buds on the plant next year if you want though.
    I'd say your best bet is to wait and transplant later in the year but in the mean time feed the plant as much as possible with good fertiliser.

    Thanks Cozzie55. Given the advice so far, it will be September before I get my head around this project! I'll see how difficult it's going to be and if difficulty levels seen very high, I will be glad to postpone til the autumn - and not necessarily autumn 2012:rolleyes:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,834 ✭✭✭Sonnenblumen


    Oldtree wrote: »
    I dont think it could be said that we have a drought here at the moment, nor is one likely to arrive any time soon. As long as the same watering regimen is maintained for this summer, and perhaps for next spring if dry, it matters not whether the plant is in a pot or transplanted. In fact it could benefit the plant to allow it to set new roots before the winter. This is not really transplanting, as such, more a potting up issue.

    By drought I was referring to the plant drying out in the pot and not the prevailing climate. Camellias (in pots especially) which suffer any prolonged dry spell between summer and October will result in a lack of buds the following year.

    The key question is why do camellias not bud? The solution has nothing to do with transplanting.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 185 ✭✭Monsclara


    I doubt the problems affecting your Camellia have anything to do with 'pot-bound' and transplanting now would exacerbate the current problem. Drought (during previous summer) is more likely to be the cause for lack of buds this year.

    Camellias are very vulnerable to drought and transplanting during the summer period into ground/pot would not be advisable.

    Thanks. I would partially agree with you, but I have another 2 Camellias, one, a couple of years younger and the second about 4 years younger, both in smaller pots and they had more buds and flowers this season than ever before. They are situated beside the big one and get the same treatment etc. So given all the similar circumstances, I could only put the non-bud forming down to being pot-bound. But I'm no expert so I'd be happy to receive any other advice you might have.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 185 ✭✭Monsclara


    Ask Prince Charles

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    You wha???? :confused:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 185 ✭✭Monsclara


    By drought I was referring to the plant drying out in the pot and not the prevailing climate. Camellias (in pots especially) which suffer any prolonged dry spell between summer and October will result in a lack of buds the following year.

    The key question is why do camellias not bud? The solution has nothing to do with transplanting.[/QUOTE

    But I don't understand why 1 out of 3 didn't bud - they were all watered similarly and fed the ericaceous stuff, etc.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 15,858 ✭✭✭✭paddy147


    By drought I was referring to the plant drying out in the pot and not the prevailing climate. Camellias (in pots especially) which suffer any prolonged dry spell between summer and October will result in a lack of buds the following year.

    The key question is why do camellias not bud? The solution has nothing to do with transplanting.


    Its in a pot....Why didnt you say "lack of watering" then??

    You said "drought",but somehow you will try to claim that you didnt mean that.We dont have a drought in this country.Infact the country is turning to a more tropical rainfall style climate,as research has recently shown.

    "Drought" and "lack of watering" are 2 seperate things


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,109 ✭✭✭Oldtree


    By drought I was referring to the plant drying out in the pot and not the prevailing climate. Camellias (in pots especially) which suffer any prolonged dry spell between summer and October will result in a lack of buds the following year.

    The key question is why do camellias not bud? The solution has nothing to do with transplanting.

    Weather report last night said 200% of normal rainfall this June and highest since records began. Time to plant a bog garden.

    The plant in the pot looked very healthy to me and did not look to have been stressed or neglected in the past, thus I did not suggest "lack of watering" as a cause. Camellias are a surface rooting plant so it is very possible that pot-bounding would affect budding.

    My point on transplanting is that the op wants to lift some cobblelock and plant there, in essence into a large pot, as the cobblelock will be a larger pot and require the same level of maintainance as if the plant was a pot (in water and feeding terms), (note the concrete between the cobblelock which will affect surrounding drainage vs no cobblecock in a garden setting). Putting into a larger "pot" will give the plant some more rooting room and hopefully improve the budding situation.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,834 ✭✭✭Sonnenblumen


    paddy147 wrote: »
    Its in a pot....Why didnt you say "lack of watering" then??

    You said "drought",but somehow you will try to claim that you didnt mean that.We dont have a drought in this country.Infact the country is turning to a more tropical rainfall style climate,as research has recently shown.

    "Drought" and "lack of watering" are 2 seperate things

    Would you ever stop your nonsense and for a change contribute something useful. :o


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 15,858 ✭✭✭✭paddy147


    Would you ever stop your nonsense and for a change contribute something useful. :o


    Why dont you go and re-read what you actually posted.

    Then it wouldnt have to be pointed out to you by others,for you to understand it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,834 ✭✭✭Sonnenblumen


    Oldtree wrote: »
    Weather report last night said 200% of normal rainfall this June and highest since records began. Time to plant a bog garden.

    The plant in the pot looked very healthy to me and did not look to have been stressed or neglected in the past, thus I did not suggest "lack of watering" as a cause. Camellias are a surface rooting plant so it is very possible that pot-bounding would affect budding.

    My point on transplanting is that the op wants to lift some cobblelock and plant there, in essence into a large pot, as the cobblelock will be a larger pot and require the same level of maintainance as if the plant was a pot (in water and feeding terms), (note the concrete between the cobblelock which will affect surrounding drainage vs no cobblecock in a garden setting). Putting into a larger "pot" will give the plant some more rooting room and hopefully improve the budding situation.


    I do not think the unusually high levels of rain especially within the last month will do little to alleviate any problems caused last year. I believe the low rate of budding this year is related to the plant suffering dry conditions during last year's growing season. And yes, precisely because the plant looked healthy with lush green leaves etc which is why I think the plant is not potbound. Camellias can be very fussy especially in containers and in the longer term would do better planted in suitable ground conditions.

    Anyway, the owner can decide what to do with all the various feedback.

    BTW, it is generally advisable not to move evergreen shrubs during the summer, not least a specimen shrub such as a Camellia. I would be less concerned with the risk of losing some budget plant.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,109 ✭✭✭Oldtree


    what I was attempting to point out is that there was no shortage of rain last year either and the op has assured us of constant watering and maintainance, so I'd have to ask the op the following (trying to firm up the diagnosis):

    "Any signs of stress, such as wilting which would indicate lack of moisture last year towards the end of summer?"

    see here

    http://apps.rhs.org.uk/advicesearch/profile.aspx?pid=423


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 185 ✭✭Monsclara


    Oldtree wrote: »
    what I was attempting to point out is that there was no shortage of rain last year either and the op has assured us of constant watering and maintainance, so I'd have to ask the op the following (trying to firm up the diagnosis):

    "Any signs of stress, such as wilting which would indicate lack of moisture last year towards the end of summer?"

    see here

    http://apps.rhs.org.uk/advicesearch/profile.aspx?pid=423

    I've attached 3 pics. One is a 3 year old Camellia in a pot with healthy pink flowers this Spring. The 2nd is almost 5 yrs old. It's a beautiful white one. First season I got 1 flower:(This season it was a sea of white:). And the third is the one that got no buds this year for the first time ever. As stated already, I'm no expert - to be honest I'm not sure of the definition of wilt (presumably a leaf that looks limp and eventually falls off?), which is why I posted the pics so one can judge for themselves. I really appreciate all the feedback, but my overall question is this: why does one of the Camellias not produce buds when the other 2 do produce buds and healthy crops of flower? Location, conditions (including climate!) and attention are all pretty equal. To me, there is something specific to the large one, this year, that doesn't apply to the others - we can't blame drought, under/over watering etc., as they have all been equal. I take on board the rather changeable weather conditions here, but 3 pots, all within a 4m diameter will by and large experience similar weather conditions.
    Is it possible that if the large one isn't pot-bound, and all else is equal, then it may have a disease, and if so, what are the signs to indicate this?

    Look forward to your thoughts.

    PS Is there evidence of wilt from the pics? Maybe I'm missing the obvious:o
    PPS. What's an OP?:o


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 185 ✭✭Monsclara


    OP: Original Post??


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,109 ✭✭✭Oldtree


    There is no obvious signs of disease on you plants so it is more likely to be an environmental issue. We have eliminated lack of water so that would only leave somthing like:

    http://apps.rhs.org.uk/advicesearch/profile.aspx?pid=327

    Do not feed camellias later than the end of July, as excessive or late feeding can lead to bud drop
    Protect tender cultivars with a double layer of horticultural fleece in winter, as low temperatures can lead to bud drop


    another possibility is frost could have killed off the flower buds. Was there any evidence of dead buds around the pot late winter, ie did the buds form and then die and drop off?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 185 ✭✭Monsclara


    Oldtree wrote: »
    There is no obvious signs of disease on you plants so it is more likely to be an environmental issue. We have eliminated lack of water so that would only leave somthing like:

    http://apps.rhs.org.uk/advicesearch/profile.aspx?pid=327

    Do not feed camellias later than the end of July, as excessive or late feeding can lead to bud drop
    Protect tender cultivars with a double layer of horticultural fleece in winter, as low temperatures can lead to bud drop


    another possibility is frost could have killed off the flower buds. Was there any evidence of dead buds around the pot late winter, ie did the buds form and then die and drop off?

    Oldtree: no, didn't notice any buds falling off nor lying on the ground around the pot last winter. And definitely no buds arrived for last Spring season. And it still leaves me with the question about why the other 2 Camellias thrived as normal and the oldest and strongest didn't.

    But at the end of the day, I've made my decision to put it in the ground under the cobble lock, weather permitting! The concern I have about planting in the ground is whether or not the soil will be compatible (acidic). Is there some way I can test the soil to determine this? Thanks


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,109 ✭✭✭Oldtree


    your local garden center should have a soil testing kit or one of these:

    http://www.johnstowngardencentre.ie/mini-ph--moisture-and-light-meter--combination-meter/multi_meterpd.aspx

    I havnt use them so dont really know how accurate they are.

    Nonetheless i would add some ericaceous compost to the hole. (and chicken manure too :D)

    as I mentioned earlier my camillia has responded to an organic liquid manure with some liquid seaweed therein. I would suggest that you keep an eye on the water content in the new hole as we dont know what type of drainage the soil under the cobble has, (moisture meter).

    dont plant any deeper than the plant already is and apply a good 2-3 inches of mulch, composted bark, perhaps use the cobbles you take out to encircle to hole and use that to keep the mulch in place.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 185 ✭✭Monsclara


    Oldtree wrote: »
    your local garden center should have a soil testing kit or one of these:

    http://www.johnstowngardencentre.ie/mini-ph--moisture-and-light-meter--combination-meter/multi_meterpd.aspx

    I havnt use them so dont really know how accurate they are.

    Nonetheless i would add some ericaceous compost to the hole. (and chicken manure too :D)

    as I mentioned earlier my camillia has responded to an organic liquid manure with some liquid seaweed therein. I would suggest that you keep an eye on the water content in the new hole as we dont know what type of drainage the soil under the cobble has, (moisture meter).

    dont plant any deeper than the plant already is and apply a good 2-3 inches of mulch, composted bark, perhaps use the cobbles you take out to encircle to hole and use that to keep the mulch in place.

    Thanks Oldtree. You're keen on the chicken manure;) Will have to add that if nothing else


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,834 ✭✭✭Sonnenblumen


    Camellias are reasonably tolerant of soil conditions, although they do prefer acidic soils, I wouldn't bother buying a soil tester kit for a camellia. Instead add plenty of ericaceous compost, leaf mould etc to the planting hole and feed regularly with a sequestrean of iron or similar acid feed to create an acid soil soil conditions.

    No need to panic as Camellias will let you know if soil acidity is changing, leaves which should be dark green will begin to pale if lime levels are rising. If ignored plant will eventually shed leaf and die, but proper conditions can be easily maintained with regular applications of acid feed.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 407 ✭✭muckyhands


    Sometimes plants flower profusely because they are under stress- in the plants mind, (not literally :D) it thinks 'I' m going to die therefore I must produce flower/ seeds to propagate myself because I might die'.

    Quite common to happen with plants that prefer acidic conditions- but no longer have them...

    Did this Camelia 'flower its socks off' more than usual- then, well, do nothing, is what Im wondering? :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 407 ✭✭muckyhands


    Anybody else notice on post 3, in the second pic.

    211175.jpg

    The lower leaves on left lower of pic, looks like vine weevil damage there.

    Are there c- shaped notches on said leaves there Monsclara?

    Could be the problem, vine weevils grubs eating away at your plants roots...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 407 ✭✭muckyhands


    Sorry

    Its post 4- second pic- my mistake. :o


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 185 ✭✭Monsclara


    muckyhands wrote: »
    Anybody else notice on post 3, in the second pic.

    211175.jpg

    The lower leaves on left lower of pic, looks like vine weevil damage there.

    Are there c- shaped notches on said leaves there Monsclara?

    Could be the problem, vine weevils grubs eating away at your plants roots...

    Hello muckyhands. You might be on to something here. I took a few pics of the leaves at the bottom and they do indeed have notches. I put it down to snails but neither of the other 2 camellias have these notches so it may well be vine weevil. I've never heard of it (very inexperienced gardener :o). Would like to hear what you (and everyone else) thinks.

    Thanks


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,109 ✭✭✭Oldtree


    muckyhands wrote: »
    Anybody else notice on post 3, in the second pic.
    The lower leaves on left lower of pic, looks like vine weevil damage there.
    Are there c- shaped notches on said leaves there Monsclara?
    Could be the problem, vine weevils grubs eating away at your plants roots...

    What keen eyes you have mr/mrs muckyhands, the closer you look the more you see... :D

    are the stems of the plant rocking in the pot indicating root damage?


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 15,858 ✭✭✭✭paddy147


    Oldtree wrote: »
    What keen eyes you have mr/mrs muckyhands, the closer you look the more you see... :D

    are the stems of the plant rocking in the pot indicating root damage?


    Women are keener eyed than men.;):D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 185 ✭✭Monsclara


    Oldtree wrote: »
    What keen eyes you have mr/mrs muckyhands, the closer you look the more you see... :D

    are the stems of the plant rocking in the pot indicating root damage?

    The stems aren't rocking, freely. If I rock the stem, it moves, but the whole pot of compost moves too. Well I'm going to go ahead and start digging the hole today. If I manage to get the Camellia out of the pot, is there something I can look out for in the roots? And if it's vine weevil as muckyhands' keen eyes have indicated ;), is there any treatment I can give the plant before planting?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 185 ✭✭Monsclara


    Well I dug the hole, but hit stone half-way across. So dug as far as was manageable on the other side. Got the Camellia out of the pot, (with a lot of effort) and put it in the hole to see if the hole was big enough. It stands about 6/7ish cms proud of the cobble lock., see pic.

    So if the hole is big enough, then it's Oldtree's recipe of ericaceous compost, mulch and chicken manure, I guess.:)


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 407 ✭✭muckyhands


    Looks like vine weevil damage alright.

    Its a beetle whose white grubs eat plant roots and the adults eat the leaves, characeristic c- shaped notches out of leaves.

    2130078.jpg

    Vine-weevil-001.jpg


    Get Nemasys to deal with grubs, read about it here-http://www.nemasysinfo.com/weevils.shtml

    vine_weevil_small.jpg


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,109 ✭✭✭Oldtree


    planting proud would be an issue, if you cannot get the hole any deeper then you going to have to remove some of the bottom of the rootball. Without wanting to start up an old issue, looks bit rootbound too to me...... :D runs for cover......;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 407 ✭✭muckyhands


    Oldtree gives good advice there re planting. :)

    Could use the cobbles taken out to raise the edges enough so its planted at right depth.

    Or maybe use sleepers to edge it, as I did in my garden. I painted them black.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 185 ✭✭Monsclara


    muckyhands wrote: »
    Looks like vine weevil damage alright.

    Its a beetle whose white grubs eat plant roots and the adults eat the leaves, characeristic c- shaped notches out of leaves.

    2130078.jpg

    Vine-weevil-001.jpg


    Get Nemasys to deal with grubs, read about it here-http://www.nemasysinfo.com/weevils.shtml

    [IMG]http://s3-eu-west- 1.amazonaws.com/images.gonegardening.com/assets/product_images/27/vine_weevil_small.jpg[/IMG]

    Cheers muckyhands. Is there anywhere in Dublin I can buy it? I was looking at the RHS website (now that I'm a keen gardener and got the tip off from Oldtree in an earlier link ;)) and they suggest:

    "Ornamental plants grown in containers can be treated with acetamiprid (Scotts Bug Clear Ultra Vine Weevil Killer) or thiacloprid (Provado Vine Weevil Killer 2) as a liquid drench applied to the compost."

    I went to homebase but they didn't have the right one (felt exceedingly confident about what a damn nusiance vine weevil is - given I only heard about it 12 hours ago:D)

    They suggested Churchtown Stores which is a great shop, so I'll check tomorrow. But perhaps the Nemasys is better?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 185 ✭✭Monsclara


    Oldtree wrote: »
    planting proud would be an issue, if you cannot get the hole any deeper then you going to have to remove some of the bottom of the rootball. Without wanting to start up an old issue, looks bit rootbound too to me...... :D runs for cover......;)

    Oldtree - you're such a troublemaker, but check out this pic:)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 407 ✭✭muckyhands


    Monsclara wrote: »
    Cheers muckyhands. Is there anywhere in Dublin I can buy it? I was looking at the RHS website (now that I'm a keen gardener and got the tip off from Oldtree in an earlier link ;)) and they suggest:

    "Ornamental plants grown in containers can be treated with acetamiprid (Scotts Bug Clear Ultra Vine Weevil Killer) or thiacloprid (Provado Vine Weevil Killer 2) as a liquid drench applied to the compost."

    I went to homebase but they didn't have the right one (felt exceedingly confident about what a damn nusiance vine weevil is - given I only heard about it 12 hours ago:D)

    They suggested Churchtown Stores which is a great shop, so I'll check tomorrow. But perhaps the Nemasys is better?


    Mr Middleton will have it.

    I use it because its organic.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 185 ✭✭Monsclara


    muckyhands wrote: »
    Oldtree gives good advice there re planting. :)

    Could use the cobbles taken out to raise the edges enough so its planted at right depth.

    Or maybe use sleepers to edge it, as I did in my garden. I painted them black.

    They are really cool. I don't think I can dig much deeper, so I think raising the edges will be the solution. I much prefer the sleepers to the cobbles


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 185 ✭✭Monsclara


    muckyhands wrote: »
    Mr Middleton will have it.

    I use it because its organic.

    I prefer the idea of organic, but is it as effective?

    And another thing..............! Anenomes. Do you have any advice on managing them? They are getting completely bashed by the rain. When dead heading, should I cut the stalk right down to the bottom? Should I get rid of dead or dying foliage? And should I give them tomato food?

    Bet you're sorry you posted on this thread! :D It's just that they are lovely but I'm not having much luck with them.:(


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 407 ✭✭muckyhands


    Monsclara wrote: »
    I prefer the idea of organic, but is it as effective?

    And another thing..............! Anenomes. Do you have any advice on managing them? They are getting completely bashed by the rain. When dead heading, should I cut the stalk right down to the bottom? Should I get rid of dead or dying foliage? And should I give them tomato food?

    Bet you're sorry you posted on this thread! :D It's just that they are lovely but I'm not having much luck with them.:(


    Oh :confused: What type Anenome do you have?

    Mine is called 'Honorine Jobert', perennial late sumer to autumn flowering...

    No problems re the rain we have had...

    Cut back dead foliage late spring if at all...

    If youre growing plants in pots, in peat, then weevil problems are to be expected to be honest...

    I used it once before-Nemasys- problem solved but to be honest if I have to go to all that trouble just to grow one plant in a pot- I dont. :D:D:)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 185 ✭✭Monsclara


    muckyhands wrote: »
    Oh :confused: What type Anenome do you have?

    Mine is called 'Honorine Jobert', perennial late sumer to autumn flowering...

    No problems re the rain we have had...

    Cut back dead foliage late spring if at all...

    If youre growing plants in pots, in peat, then weevil problems are to be expected to be honest...

    I used it once before-Nemasys- problem solved but to be honest if I have to go to all that trouble just to grow one plant in a pot- I dont. :D:D:)

    They are Anenome Mistral. I have 3 red ones and 1 blue one.
    The URL shows what they should look like and they did look like this when I got them.

    https://us.v-cdn.net/6034073/uploads/attachments/490559/211960.jpg
    But every time they grow to about 12/15 cms, the rain bashes the petals off. I've attached 4 pics. There is a single red one in 1 pot https://us.v-cdn.net/6034073/uploads/attachments/490559/211956.jpg
    and 2 red and 1 blue in trough with yellow pansies.https://us.v-cdn.net/6034073/uploads/attachments/490559/211959.jpg
    You can see a fresh one starting up in trough on the left but you can also see dead foliage of the one (blue) next to it.https://us.v-cdn.net/6034073/uploads/attachments/490559/211957.jpg
    The one in the pot (red) has 2 new flowers and they do grow to about 10cms but petals normally don't survive very long because of rain. I had been dead heading, leaving the stalk, but now I am cutting back stalk and all. Really not sure what to do with them :(.They are really beautiful and it's a real shame that they don't get a chance to show themselves off.#
    I may have made a mess of this by pasting links into message body, but lets see what happens when I post.


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