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Yay new build!

  • 29-06-2012 7:42pm
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,690 ✭✭✭✭


    1. What is your budget? €1200 excluding VAT

    2. What will be the main purpose of the computer? Gaming (BF3, Fallout, Skyrim, Civ5), Software Programming (Eclipse, Visual Studio, Spring)

    3. Do you need a copy of Windows? No, free from Dreamspark

    4. Can you use any parts from an old computer? External 1TB HDD, so mass storage not a problem

    5. Do you need a monitor? No

    5b. If no, what resolution is your current monitor and do you plan to upgrade in the near future? 1080p Samsung B2330 23", no.

    6. Do you need any of these peripherals? Mouse/Keyboard

    7. Are you willing to try overclocking? Yup

    8. How can you pay? Any

    9. When are you purchasing? Possibly now, possibly next month. Haven't decided

    10. If you need help building it, where are you based? Don't need help

    So lads, finally time! Will be able to get VAT off, so I'm assuming HWVS is still the best to go for with 19%?

    Anyway.

    Item|Price
    Intel Core i5-3570K Box, LGA1155|€212.07
    ASRock Z77 Extreme4, Sockel 1155, ATX|€129.53
    Gigabyte GeForce GTX 670 OC, 2GB GDDR5, 2x DVI, HDMI, DisplayPort|€386.40
    Corsair Carbide Series 500R White, ATX, ohne Netzteil|€93.52
    8GB-Kit G.Skill Sniper PC3-10667U CL9-9-9-24 (DDR3-1333)|€45.39
    XFX PRO650W Core Edition Full Wired Power Supply|€76.21
    Samsung SSD 830 128GB SATA 6GB's Paper Box|€110.24
    Sony Optiarc AD-7280S-0B schwarz|€17.14
    Corsair Hydro Series H100 (Sockel 775/1156/1366/AM2/AM2+/AM3/FM1)|€92.21
    Razer DeathAdder Re-Spawn, USB, 3500 dpi|€45.47
    Shipping|€18.99
    Total|€1227.17

    CPU - obviously.
    Motherboard - would like to SLI/XFire eventually
    Graphics - undecided, on two fronts: 670 or not, and if so, which one? Have my eye on the Gigabyte Windforce, MSI Power Edition, Gainward Phantom and Asus DirectCUII.
    Case - definitely getting that one :cool:
    RAM - picked that to complement the motherboard, purely aesthetic.
    PSU - could go for the Super-flower, but not sure on the LED, and XFX are very good.
    SSD - easy choice
    Optical - doesn't matter
    Cooler - would like to try the H100, entry-level watercooling etc, might replace the loudass fans.
    Mouse - seems to be the right choice.
    Keyboard - I want this one, but the reviews say German layout for some reason. Anybody got a reason why?
    Headphones - more for music than gaming, but going for these

    Comes in about €1103 excluding VAT, or €1362 with VAT. Suggestions appreciated! :pac:


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,600 ✭✭✭Eboggles


    Looks great, I'm planning on getting Scythe Gentle Typhoons for my soon to be watercooled rig, they seem like the best replacement for stock fans. The 1150RPM ones are pretty much silent and have great static pressure. That said, I'll only be using an Antec H20 620 or Thermaltake Water 2.0 so your mileage may vary.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 292 ✭✭BhoyRayzor


    I have an ex VAT build with a lot of the same components, same processor, motherboard, PSU, case and SSD - probably because you were one of the ones who suggested a build for me :D

    I compared my ex VAT shopping list between Komplett/Dabs and HWVS and buying here works out roughly €50 cheaper with coupons added


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,690 ✭✭✭✭Skylinehead


    Eboggles wrote: »
    Looks great, I'm planning on getting Scythe Gentle Typhoons for my soon to be watercooled rig, they seem like the best replacement for stock fans. The 1150RPM ones are pretty much silent and have great static pressure. That said, I'll only be using an Antec H20 620 or Thermaltake Water 2.0 so your mileage may vary.

    Could always put two Typhoons in for 20 quid and use them elsewhere (push-pull maybe) if I'm not bothered by the noise. I assume they can be controlled by the H100's fan controller?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,600 ✭✭✭Eboggles


    Could always put two Typhoons in for 20 quid and use them elsewhere (push-pull maybe) if I'm not bothered by the noise. I assume they can be controlled by the H100's fan controller?

    Yeah I think they can.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,241 ✭✭✭ZeroThreat


    You reckon that 128gb SSD is enough storage, or perhaps add one of these http://www1.hardwareversand.de/7200+RPM/53882/Seagate+Barracuda+7200+1000GB%2C+SATA+6Gb+s.article for storing other stuff?

    EDIT : Sorry didn't notice you already said you had a 1tbh external storage drive, my bad.

    btw, this is the current build I'm thinking of, similar to yours apart from larger ssd (which has just gone out of stock again), slightly cheaper ram and different PSU, and without your elaborate cooling setup ;)

    Item|Price
    Intel Core i5-3570K Box, LGA1155|€212.07
    ASRock Z77 Extreme4, Sockel 1155, ATX|€129.53
    2 x 8GB-Kit G.Skill PC3-10667U CL9|€73.42
    Corsair Carbide Series 500R schwarz, ATX, ohne Netzteil|€95.10
    Seagate Barracuda 7200 2000GB, SATA 6Gb/s|€101.96
    Thermalright HR-02 Macho|€34.89
    Samsung SSD 830 256GB SATA II Paper Box|€206.84
    Samsung SyncMaster S27A750D|€445.73
    Gigabyte GeForce GTX 670 OC, 2GB GDDR5, 2x DVI, HDMI, DisplayPort|€386.40
    Super-Flower SF650P14XE Golden Green Pro 80plus gold|€81.15
    Razer DeathAdder Re-Spawn, USB, 3500 dpi|€45.47
    Sony Optiarc AD-7280S-0B schwarz|€17.14
    Shipping|€18.99
    Total|€1848.69


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,690 ✭✭✭✭Skylinehead


    ZeroThreat wrote: »
    You reckon that 128gb SSD is enough storage, or perhaps add one of these http://www1.hardwareversand.de/7200+RPM/53882/Seagate+Barracuda+7200+1000GB%2C+SATA+6Gb+s.article for storing other stuff?

    Have a 1TB external that I may or may not convert into an internal SATA drive, but either way I'm good for storage.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,387 ✭✭✭glynf


    The H100 controls two fans, though I find it craps out at times, with fans running 100% and not ramping down, then having to reset unit=pain in hole.
    Better off plug both fans into the mobo and leaving the pump at its 2nd setting to do its thing, works way better.

    If you're serious about xfire, go with a 750w min, and check a few reviews re. cooling in SLI as some aftermarket coolers like he phantom dump air into the case, not ideal when both GPU's are close. Reference designs are much better as all air is exhausted through the backplate. EVGA & Zotac do factory overclocked cards that dump air out the back plate as well.

    Nice build, and good luck with it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,690 ✭✭✭✭Skylinehead


    glynf wrote: »
    The H100 controls two fans, though I find it craps out at times, with fans running 100% and not ramping down, then having to reset unit=pain in hole.
    Better off plug both fans into the mobo and leaving the pump at its 2nd setting to do its thing, works way better.

    If you're serious about xfire, go with a 750w min, and check a few reviews re. cooling in SLI as some aftermarket coolers like he phantom dump air into the case, not ideal when both GPU's are close. Reference designs are much better as all air is exhausted through the backplate. EVGA & Zotac do factory overclocked cards that dump air out the back plate as well.

    Nice build, and good luck with it.

    Yeah the H100 isn't ideal for fan control, so I might just leave it to the motherboard, means I can control everything with the 500Rs controller.

    I assumed 650W would be enough for SLI, but I can always go up a little more. I'll definitely look into the coolers, pretty sure the Twin Frozr cooler does it well so if HWVS get the Power edition in stock I'll get that.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,387 ✭✭✭glynf


    650W would be fine, but if you OC the CPU and/or both GPU's you won't be long running out of juice:)

    BTW deadly case, great cable management.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,690 ✭✭✭✭Skylinehead


    glynf wrote: »
    650W would be fine, but if you OC the CPU and/or both GPU's you won't be long running out of juice:)

    BTW deadly case, great cable management.
    It's so lovely. If only it had the Vengeance C70's power/reset buttons, they're awesome :D

    As for 750W PSU, same model or is there better out there?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 142 ✭✭Nazata


    As for 750W PSU, same model or is there better out there?

    The TX750 isn't as cheap as some alternatives but is one of the best 750W PSUs around. It's also modular. A lot of the competition is cheaper, but this PSU will last and allow huge upgrade potential.
    A review from bit-tech: http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/psus/2008/02/19/corsair_tx750w_psu_cmpsu-750tx/6
    I'm definitely considering it for my build which is very similar to yours(ordering once Ulster Bank manages to sort themselves out...).

    Are you looking for a modular or a non-modular PSU?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,690 ✭✭✭✭Skylinehead


    Nazata wrote: »
    The TX750 isn't as cheap as some alternatives but is one of the best 750W PSUs around. It's also modular. A lot of the competition is cheaper, but this PSU will last and allow huge upgrade potential.
    A review from bit-tech: http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/psus/2008/02/19/corsair_tx750w_psu_cmpsu-750tx/6
    I'm definitely considering it for my build which is very similar to yours(ordering once Ulster Bank manages to sort themselves out...).

    Are you looking for a modular or a non-modular PSU?

    No preference, modular would be nice but it's not a necessity.

    Have it down to:

    http://www2.hardwareversand.de/articledetail.jsp?adp=0&aid=42451&agid=1630&apop=5

    http://www2.hardwareversand.de/700+-+800+Watts/50914/Corsair+Enthusiast+Series+Modular+TX750M%2C+750Watt.article

    http://www2.hardwareversand.de/700+-+800+Watts/30071/Super-Flower+Amazon+80Plus+800W.article

    http://www2.hardwareversand.de/700+-+800+Watts/31272/Super+Flower+Atlas+Design+Edition+Modular+80plus+780W.article

    but can't decide on what's best, my PSU knowledge is pretty limited. Any advice on the keyboard issue I mentioned in the first post would be appreciated too :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,710 ✭✭✭Monotype


    Is 800W necessary? Would two 670s use that kind of power?
    Even if you were to you estimate 200W maximum for each card if you were overclocking and including an overclocked CPU, I think that 600W would be enough, or 650W to be generous with expansions.

    I wouldn't buy the Atlas; a bit low in quality.
    The TX750M is overpriced; you could buy much the same 850W Adata PSU for €85 from komplett.

    If you're looking to spend that kind of money, then what about the 700W modular golden green @ €106?
    http://www2.hardwareversand.de/600+-+700+Watts/33057/Super-Flower+SF700P14XE+Golden+Green+80plus+gold+Modular.article


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,690 ✭✭✭✭Skylinehead


    I think I'd rather not spend quite so much, you figure the 650W XFX is enough?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,710 ✭✭✭Monotype


    I'd think so, yes. I haven't read that many reviews on the 670 and how consumption varies with overclocking, but I'm leaving a bit of room too.

    Alternatives:
    http://www2.hardwareversand.de/600+-+700+Watts/24479/Super-Flower+Amazon+80Plus+650W.article
    http://www2.hardwareversand.de/600+-+700+Watts/38006/Super-Flower+SF650P14XE+Golden+Green+Pro+80plus+gold.article
    Nazata wrote: »
    The TX750 isn't as cheap as some alternatives but is one of the best 750W PSUs around. It's also modular. A lot of the competition is cheaper, but this PSU will last and allow huge upgrade potential.
    A review from bit-tech: http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/psus/2008/02/19/corsair_tx750w_psu_cmpsu-750tx/6
    I'm definitely considering it for my build which is very similar to yours(ordering once Ulster Bank manages to sort themselves out...).

    That's not the same PSU. There's five different major TX series. First one was the 650TX made by Seasonic and the 750W made by CWT. Probably the one in the review there. These were replaced by a new series from CWT in 2010, which was met with criticism due to suspicions of lower quality. They were quite quickly replaced (Corsair actually do care about their reputation) by the TXv2, made by Seasonic. The TXm came out a bit later and is made by CWT and seems of decent quality - not fantastic value though as it's not fully modular and as I said, you get nearly the same PSU by ADATA for cheaper.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,387 ✭✭✭glynf



    Out of those I'd go with the XFX750W Skylinehead, well reviewed and I think for the sake of <€20 it would be worth it. Give a look at a few online power calculators like this one to see approximately what wattage you need need. It also lets you calc. what you would need ifr you overcloceked your CPU & GPU(s).


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,422 ✭✭✭Sarz91



    Both reviews for that keyboard on amazon say it's German layout. If you zoom in it shows umlauts and stuff too but I dunno.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 292 ✭✭BhoyRayzor



    Yeah my build is near enough working out the exact same as yours now, I think I'll take the easy way out and just copy you :D

    Just two things,

    is the 600t worth the extra 30 quid?
    Is the Asus GTX 670 DirectCU II Top worth the extra 40 quid?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,690 ✭✭✭✭Skylinehead


    BhoyRayzor wrote: »
    Yeah my build is near enough working out the exact same as yours now, I think I'll take the easy way out and just copy you :D

    Just two things,

    is the 600t worth the extra 30 quid?
    Is the Asus GTX 670 DirectCU II Top worth the extra 40 quid?

    600T is a little bigger, some versions have a side window, and unlike the 500R the fan LEDs can't be turned off. It's personal preference, I'd take the 600T but it's a little too much and the 500R is lovely too.

    As for the Asus, it's a little better than the Windforce but not 40 quid better. So no from me.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,690 ✭✭✭✭Skylinehead


    Talking to Amazon there, apparently no UK-layout MK-50. :(

    They have it for €80 on play.com, but a) are they reliable these days and b) is it going to be the same issue?

    Any recommendations on similarly priced alternatives are welcome, want this out of the way tomorrow.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,710 ✭✭✭Monotype


    Play probably won't deliver that here; they usually won't deliver any hardware.


    Edit: It's £62 on scan.co.uk, which should be a similar enough price when you count the VAT. The only thing is that shipping is about €15...
    Maybe you can make it worth your while though.
    I see they have a few 670s less than £300/€370... They're not very fancy ones though - hardwareversand are down so I can't check to see if the gigabyte is anything better about it.

    The samsung 830 is £77.99/€96.78 on their today only page... that's nearly covers most of the shipping by itself!

    The antec Truepower new is £65.99/€82 also on their today only page - semi modular and cheaper than the XFX 750W.

    CPU is €2 cheaper, but I suppose you'd lose that out on exchange charges. Case is a fair bit dearer so I don't think it would be worth moving your whole build over.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,690 ✭✭✭✭Skylinehead


    Monotype wrote: »
    Play probably won't deliver that here; they usually won't deliver any hardware.


    Edit: It's £62 on scan.co.uk, which should be a similar enough price when you count the VAT. The only thing is that shipping is about €15...
    Maybe you can make it worth your while though.
    I see they have a few 670s less than £300/€370... They're not very fancy ones though - hardwareversand are down so I can't check to see if the gigabyte is anything better about it.

    The samsung 830 is £77.99/€96.78 on their today only page... that's nearly covers most of the shipping by itself!

    The antec Truepower new is £65.99/€82 also on their today only page - semi modular and cheaper than the XFX 750W.

    CPU is €2 cheaper, but I suppose you'd lose that out on exchange charges. Case is a fair bit dearer so I don't think it would be worth moving your whole build over.

    I pricechecked on both and HWVS comes out about €50 cheaper, but if I was splitting the build it could work.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,690 ✭✭✭✭Skylinehead



    Let's try again...

    Item|Price
    Sony AD-5280S-0B 24x DVD±R, 12xDVD±DL, DVD+RW x8/-RWx6 SATA, Black, OEM|£13.00
    128GB Samsung 830 Series, SSD Basic Kit, SATA III, Read 520MB/s, Write 320MB/s|£78.14
    QPAD MK-50 Pro Gaming Mechanical Keyboard, Cherry Red MX|£62.02
    ScanFX Anti-Static Wristband with 360 degree Swivel & Crocodile Clip. A MUST Have!|£2.38
    Shipping|£8.49
    Total|£165.73

    (€205.78)

    Item|Price
    Intel Core i5-3570K Box, LGA1155|€212.12
    ASRock Z77 Extreme4, Sockel 1155, ATX|€128.51
    Gigabyte GeForce GTX 670 OC, 2GB GDDR5, 2x DVI, HDMI, DisplayPort|€383.93
    Corsair Carbide Series 500R White, ATX, ohne Netzteil|€92.93
    DIGITUS Premium CAT 6 S-FTP, 7m Patchkabel, rot|€3.28
    XFX PRO750W Core Edition Full Wired Power Supply|€86.51
    Corsair Hydro Series H100 (Sockel 775/1156/1366/AM2/AM2+/AM3/FM1)|€92.02
    Razer DeathAdder Re-Spawn, USB, 3500 dpi|€45.39
    8GB-Kit G.Skill Sniper PC3-10667U CL9-9-9-24 (DDR3-1333)|€44.63
    Good Connections DVI-D 24+1 Anschlusskabel 1m|€5.38
    Shipping|€18.99
    Total|€1113.69

    So €1383 old build vs €1319 new build (minus headphones) so a little better. Aside from having to deal with three orders :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,710 ✭✭✭Monotype


    Use their today only page if you can.
    http://www.scan.co.uk/todayonly/index.aspx

    Actually, it will be changed at about 2pm so if you're not doing it today, you'll be looking at different deals. Best deals are usually across the weekend, I've noticed (well more because it tends to be a wider range of stuff).


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,690 ✭✭✭✭Skylinehead


    Won't be in time unfortunately, can you only get one Today Only per purchase? There's loads there :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,710 ✭✭✭Monotype


    You can add as many of the items to the cart as you want. Make sure that you click buy on the today page itself. There's sometimes limitations like 1 or 2 hard drives of a particular model but it will say above the section.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,690 ✭✭✭✭Skylinehead


    Monotype wrote: »
    You can add as many of the items to the cart as you want. Make sure that you click buy on the today page itself. There's sometimes limitations like 1 or 2 hard drives of a particular model but it will say above the section.

    Ah yes, I see it now. Supersaver deals are one each, but that's not what I need. Cheers!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,690 ✭✭✭✭Skylinehead


    At least Scan have confirmed that the MK-50 they have is UK layout, despite every picture of it in existence showing German. Result :cool:


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 94 ✭✭Nertballs


    Yeah the H100 isn't ideal for fan control, so I might just leave it to the motherboard, means I can control everything with the 500Rs controller.

    I assumed 650W would be enough for SLI, but I can always go up a little more. I'll definitely look into the coolers, pretty sure the Twin Frozr cooler does it well so if HWVS get the Power edition in stock I'll get that.

    i'd go for the asus personally, the direct cu II is a tank of a cooler.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,690 ✭✭✭✭Skylinehead


    Nertballs wrote: »
    i'd go for the asus personally, the direct cu II is a tank of a cooler.

    18 euro difference, is it €18 better?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,690 ✭✭✭✭Skylinehead


    It does look snazzy and seems to be built better than the Windforce. That backplate could sway me yet :cool:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,710 ✭✭✭Monotype


    Worth noting on today's today only page:
    Samsung 830 £75.59/€94.28
    750W Antec True power new modular hybrid £64.79/€80.83

    Incidentally, in case you didn't know, the 750W Antec TPN and the XFX 750W are near identical PSUs, with the Antec having a bit more of an edge with the semi-modularity and apparently a few extra good tweaks as well. Both PSUs are built by Seasonic (and probably the same core internals).


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,690 ✭✭✭✭Skylinehead


    Monotype wrote: »
    Worth noting on today's today only page:
    Samsung 830 £75.59/€94.28
    750W Antec True power new modular hybrid £64.79/€80.83

    Incidentally, in case you didn't know, the 750W Antec TPN and the XFX 750W are near identical PSUs, with the Antec having a bit more of an edge with the semi-modularity and apparently a few extra good tweaks as well. Both PSUs are built by Seasonic (and probably the same core internals).

    Won't be buying until tomorrow at the earliest, might get an order in early though. The 830 doesn't really matter, the base version is that price all the time but the SATA cable would be nice for free. More interested in the PSU, hopefully that offer stays. Cheers for the advice (again :pac:)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,690 ✭✭✭✭Skylinehead


    Last question, what's the story with getting the VAT off? I have a VAT number (my beloved ma :pac:) so do I just put that in and get the VAT off at source before payment? Also, does this have any impact whatsoever on the taxman?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 142 ✭✭Nazata


    Last question, what's the story with getting the VAT off? I have a VAT number (my beloved ma :pac:) so do I just put that in and get the VAT off at source before payment? Also, does this have any impact whatsoever on the taxman?

    It might be worth your while ringing them, I just did so they could sort out my account so I can order the Antec True Power New 750W and a 256GB Samsung 830 for my build... Very good value PSU it seems. Are you going for the same one?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,710 ✭✭✭Monotype


    ^^ I hope you got them at the today only prices.

    Edit: Oh, you haven't ordered, you just rang them up to sort a problem.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,387 ✭✭✭glynf


    Last question, what's the story with getting the VAT off? I have a VAT number (my beloved ma :pac:) so do I just put that in and get the VAT off at source before payment? Also, does this have any impact whatsoever on the taxman?

    To make sure she can claim the Vat back, the invoice should be in her business name and address . Best thing to do is give her the cash minus the Vat, and ask her to pay for it using a company card/account to be sure. Used to get my old man to do same.:)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 142 ✭✭Nazata


    Monotype wrote: »
    ^^ I hope you got them at the today only prices.

    Edit: Oh, you haven't ordered, you just rang them up to sort a problem.

    Yeah, can't decide whether to get it or not now, since the cheaper 256GB Samsung 830 is out of stock. Would be cheaper to get a 780W Superflower Amazon or a TX750M from Hardwareversand...
    Will have to look around for where to buy the Samsung 830 also...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,690 ✭✭✭✭Skylinehead


    glynf wrote: »
    To make sure she can claim the Vat back, the invoice should be in her business name and address . Best thing to do is give her the cash minus the Vat, and ask her to pay for it using a company card/account to be sure. Used to get my old man to do same.:)

    So it isn't deducted at source then? I was under the impression it was, at least for non-Irish companies seeing as it's hard to claim VAT back from abroad.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,387 ✭✭✭glynf


    It is only deducted at source-if you don't have a Vat number, but if they can claim it back they will be giving the 23% back to you anyway?

    Once you are Vat registered and you buy from any Vat registered EU company, you should not have to pay Vat. Best ring them before putting on your order to confirm (Just checked with my mate who is an accountant & his company deal with French/Dutch companies).


    Edit:

    Give a look here;


    I am a VAT registered person. Can I buy goods VAT free from a business in another Member State of the E.U.?

    Yes, once the goods are purchased for the purposes of your business. The purchase of goods from a person in another E.U. Member State is called, in VAT terminology, an 'intra-Community acquisition' of the goods. The sale of goods to a VAT registered person in another Member State is called an 'intra-Community supply'. The procedures to be followed are set out below:

    You must quote your VAT number to the supplier. The supply will then be zero-rated in the Member State of dispatch as an E.U. intra-Community supply.
    You (the taxable customer) become liable for VAT on the acquisition of the goods in this State. You must account for VAT on the goods at the rate that would apply to the supply of those goods in Ireland.
    To do this, you declare a liability for VAT in your VAT3 return form in the T1 box.
    If you are entitled to full deductibility (input credit), the VAT payable on the intra-Community acquisition is deducted in the same VAT period at T2 on the VAT3, thus effectively cancelling out the VAT liability. If you are not entitled to deductibility (e.g. flat-rate farmer, State body) you put a zero in the T2 box. If you are entitled to partial deductibility, and the good represents a 'dual-use input', you may claim the appropriate percentage of the VAT, as agreed with the local Revenue District.
    You must also account for VAT on any subsequent supply of the goods in the appropriate VAT return.
    In addition to the accounting requirements above, the VAT 3 return requires the taxable person to declare summary VAT details. It includes a statistical box in respect of intra-Community Acquisitions that must be completed (E2).

    Further information is available in the information leaflets on the subjects of E.U. Intra-Community Acquisitions and E.U. Intra-Community Supplies on the Revenue website.


    Just make sure its in her company name & quote the Vat no. and you will be fine.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,690 ✭✭✭✭Skylinehead


    glynf wrote: »
    It is only deducted at source-if you don't have a Vat number, but if they can claim it back they will be giving the 23% back to you anyway?

    Once you are Vat registered and you buy from any Vat registered EU company, you should not have to pay Vat. Best ring them before putting on your order to confirm (Just checked with my mate who is an accountant & his company deal with French/Dutch companies).


    Edit:

    Give a look here;


    I am a VAT registered person. Can I buy goods VAT free from a business in another Member State of the E.U.?

    Yes, once the goods are purchased for the purposes of your business. The purchase of goods from a person in another E.U. Member State is called, in VAT terminology, an 'intra-Community acquisition' of the goods. The sale of goods to a VAT registered person in another Member State is called an 'intra-Community supply'. The procedures to be followed are set out below:

    You must quote your VAT number to the supplier. The supply will then be zero-rated in the Member State of dispatch as an E.U. intra-Community supply.
    You (the taxable customer) become liable for VAT on the acquisition of the goods in this State. You must account for VAT on the goods at the rate that would apply to the supply of those goods in Ireland.
    To do this, you declare a liability for VAT in your VAT3 return form in the T1 box.
    If you are entitled to full deductibility (input credit), the VAT payable on the intra-Community acquisition is deducted in the same VAT period at T2 on the VAT3, thus effectively cancelling out the VAT liability. If you are not entitled to deductibility (e.g. flat-rate farmer, State body) you put a zero in the T2 box. If you are entitled to partial deductibility, and the good represents a 'dual-use input', you may claim the appropriate percentage of the VAT, as agreed with the local Revenue District.
    You must also account for VAT on any subsequent supply of the goods in the appropriate VAT return.
    In addition to the accounting requirements above, the VAT 3 return requires the taxable person to declare summary VAT details. It includes a statistical box in respect of intra-Community Acquisitions that must be completed (E2).

    Further information is available in the information leaflets on the subjects of E.U. Intra-Community Acquisitions and E.U. Intra-Community Supplies on the Revenue website.


    Just make sure its in her company name & quote the Vat no. and you will be fine.
    Ok, so trying to get my head around this. No VAT is paid initially (or at all, eventually), am I right here? I'm horrible with taxes :o


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,710 ✭✭✭Monotype


    Have you looked at ex VAT prices while you've been shopping? I think HWV is just 13.5% or something and scan are 20% so HWV mightn't necessarily have the best ex VAT value around. Even komplett or memoryc might have some good stuff when you discount 23%!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,903 ✭✭✭frozenfrozen


    Despite using my computer daily for my parents business, they won't claim back the vat for me on a new pc I ordered. Apparently they would need to prove that they need the computer in the small business and would incur extra charges because of that...! Can someone tell me if there is any truth in what they are saying?!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,690 ✭✭✭✭Skylinehead


    Monotype wrote: »
    Have you looked at ex VAT prices while you've been shopping? I think HWV is just 13.5% or something and scan are 20% so HWV mightn't necessarily have the best ex VAT value around. Even komplett or memoryc might have some good stuff when you discount 23%!

    I asked about this, the German VAT rate is 19% so I'd assume it's 19% off?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,710 ✭✭✭Monotype


    I think someone here who claimed it back got something like that. Looking at my last order there, I can't see any evidence of what was charged.

    On their VAT page, they say they mark prices @ 19% but charge for the country - 21%/13.5%. Prices don't change when your order though unless they are detecting region automatically with IP address. They must be either charging at the lower rate so or at the higher rate and absorbing the difference.

    http://www1.hardwareversand.de/infoagbprivat.jsp

    If you do order from there then, let us know how much it is when you get it back.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,690 ✭✭✭✭Skylinehead


    Just more things to confuse me :(


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,387 ✭✭✭glynf


    glynf wrote: »
    It is only deducted at source-if you don't have a Vat number, but if they can claim it back they will be giving the 23% back to you anyway?

    Once you are Vat registered and you buy from any Vat registered EU company, you should not have to pay Vat. Best ring them before putting on your order to confirm (Just checked with my mate who is an accountant & his company deal with French/Dutch companies).


    Edit:

    Give a look here;

    [COLOR="Blue"]
    I am a VAT registered person. Can I buy goods VAT free from a business in another Member State of the E.U.?

    Yes, once the goods are purchased for the purposes of your business. The purchase of goods from a person in another E.U. Member State is called, in VAT terminology, an 'intra-Community acquisition' of the goods. The sale of goods to a VAT registered person in another Member State is called an 'intra-Community supply'. The procedures to be followed are set out below:

    You must quote your VAT number to the supplier. The supply will then be zero-rated in the Member State of dispatch as an E.U. intra-Community supply.
    You (the taxable customer) become liable for VAT on the acquisition of the goods in this State. You must account for VAT on the goods at the rate that would apply to the supply of those goods in Ireland.
    To do this, you declare a liability for VAT in your VAT3 return form in the T1 box.
    If you are entitled to full deductibility (input credit), the VAT payable on the intra-Community acquisition is deducted in the same VAT period at T2 on the VAT3, thus effectively cancelling out the VAT liability. If you are not entitled to deductibility (e.g. flat-rate farmer, State body) you put a zero in the T2 box. If you are entitled to partial deductibility, and the good represents a 'dual-use input', you may claim the appropriate percentage of the VAT, as agreed with the local Revenue District.
    You must also account for VAT on any subsequent supply of the goods in the appropriate VAT return.
    In addition to the accounting requirements above, the VAT 3 return requires the taxable person to declare summary VAT details. It includes a statistical box in respect of intra-Community Acquisitions that must be completed (E2).

    Further information is available in the information leaflets on the subjects of E.U. Intra-Community Acquisitions and E.U. Intra-Community Supplies on the Revenue website.[/COLOR]

    Just make sure its in her company name & quote the Vat no. and you will be fine.
    Ok, so trying to get my head around this. No VAT is paid initially (or at all, eventually), am I right here? I'm horrible with taxes :o

    In a nutshell yes. I was a sole trader for 5/6 years (and soon to be back at same :)) and my main client was uk based. I allways invoiced excluding vat as I was not uk based, I could have, but it creates hassle for both parties.

    If I was doing work for A. Irish company, I had to charge vat. Basically the way it worked (few years back) is at the end of vat period you do a return, and the amount of vat you spent on work related expenses was deducted off what you charged, the balance you owed the vat man.

    As above, ask the person with the vat
    No. to purchase using their company aloes them to claim the vat back. They might want to confirm with their accountant.


    Edit:


    Not sure about Hwvs, but amazon.de bump the vat from 19% to 23% when I order from here (as a civilian/not. A reg business), imagine its same for all.

    @ frozen, not sure tbh, yes they definatley have to say its for the business if they are buying for the company-not sure about the rest, there is prob a limit to the amount of stuff out can write off, they might be at that already.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 292 ✭✭BhoyRayzor


    I have been comparing ex vat prices between here and HWVS, think I seen somewhere on their site that they use 21% for Ireland, dunno if that changed with the increase though. either way my ex vat build still works out cheaper getting through Dabs/Komplett


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 893 ✭✭✭U_Fig


    Despite using my computer daily for my parents business, they won't claim back the vat for me on a new pc I ordered. Apparently they would need to prove that they need the computer in the small business and would incur extra charges because of that...! Can someone tell me if there is any truth in what they are saying?!

    This can be the case..as far as i know from studing tax in my degree the revenue can ask any VAT registered company or person to allow them to complete an audit of their company..and sometimes companies are picked at random but it shouldn't be too hard to convince them about a computer..as in every business keeping records and office work now is the norm..I doubt that they'd go into details of particular components just overall price but still you can just say I went for quality parts and future proofing. I can't see how any extra charges would be incurred tho.

    BhoyRayzor wrote: »
    I have been comparing ex vat prices between here and HWVS, think I seen somewhere on their site that they use 21% for Ireland, dunno if that changed with the increase though. either way my ex vat build still works out cheaper getting through Dabs/Komplett

    The general rule for buying inside the eu vis the internet is that VAT is paid on items at the rate applicable in the country where the goods are being bought..ie Germany for HWVS.. So it would be 19% however if that company's total sales to people from a certian member state reaches a threshold (varies from €34,000 to €100,000 depending on the state) then they are liable to register for VAT to be charged at the rate in the destination member state..ie in this case Ireland so 23%. However a company can opt to take this approach no matter what the level of sales is..

    So I'd say HWVS has to charge VAT at our rate beause it is above the threshold..

    Basically a summary of the eu customs information page..

    So we're kinda being screwed out if 4% savings because of the popularity of HWVS in ireland..


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